Warbs Programme Notes v Bolton

[Banana]

Warbs writes his own programme notes unlike many other managers. I've found them very well written and good at getting his point across.

Today he mentioned that talking about January is pointless and he's sick of it and how everybody should be positive about the rest if the season. He then spent a whole column on his version of the truth.

Not sure that was a good use of his energy to be honest.
On a completely unrelated note did I see Harlee Dean playing up front today?


Here are the salient bits

Immediately following the [Sheffield Wednesday] game I was again questioned about the depth of the squad and whether more should have been done in January when the opportunity presented itself.

This is clearly a subject that raises much debate and opinion, but very often the real facts appear to be diluted and negativity arises at a time when we all need to pull together at such a vital stage of the season.

Let me once and for all clarify the real details, which I hope will put an end to some of the rumours and counter rumours that seem to have surfaced in recent weeks.

Did we target key players for specific positions?

Yes, we looked closely at both domestic and overseas options that we all felt would add quality and depth to an already strong squad.

Were we close to securing any of the proposed targets?

Yes, we came very close to completing one or two players, but the deals fell through for a variety of reasons.

Such reasons included demands that did not represent good value for the club, or demands from loaning clubs that specific individuals must be automatic starting players.

Did we turn down high quality players that were apparently offered to us and who would have impacted the team?

Absolutely not and to say otherwise is indeed both completely false and in truth malicious.

 

[bees66]

yep see you at Wembley...

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Warbs writes his own programme notes unlike many other managers. I've found them very well written and good at getting his point across.

Today he mentioned that talking about January is pointless and he's sick of it and how everybody should be positive about the rest if the season. He then spent a whole column on his version of the truth.

Not sure that was a good use of his energy to be honest.
On a completely unrelated note did I see Harlee Dean playing up front today?

Talking about how we will learn is pointless. See you later Warbs, its been good but im afraid its January that has cost you the chance of the PO's.

 

[Lush55]

Can you let us know what his version of the truth was,please?

 

[Banana]

Can you let us know what his version of the truth was,please?

Someone else will have to provide them. I threw away my programme in disgust!

 

[kendo]

All I need to know is....

Can we all learn from it?

 

[Lush55]

Someone else will have to provide them. I threw away my programme in disgust!

Cheers bud,maybe someone will scan them in.

 

[beeherenow]

Warbs writes his own programme notes unlike many other managers. I've found them very well written and good at getting his point across.

Today he mentioned that talking about January is pointless and he's sick of it and how everybody should be positive about the rest if the season. He then spent a whole column on his version of the truth.

Not sure that was a good use of his energy to be honest.
On a completely unrelated note did I see Harlee Dean playing up front today?

He is unfortunately coming across as a bit stubborn now, also refusing to change anything about how we play despite it costing us time and time again.

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

He was on Radio London as well after the game talking about January. Very clever with his choice of words. Not worth the club or MB getting into a war of words with him now, but the more I hear I'm glad he's going..

 

[Bridge Bee]

Managers come and go no matter how successful they are.

Thanks for the memories MW but we need to strive for better than Harlee Dean and Tommy Smith up front.

 

[Banana]

Can you let us know what his version of the truth was,please?

The post has been updated with the "real facts" and the "real details"

 

[bees66]

Mark got asked the same questions on Radio London again today.. Billy is really try to fish..

 

[Billy Hunt]

Warburton has become the Andy Scott of the Championship - he says the same thing after every game, yet nothing seems to change.

 

[grutter]

Were they singing his name today?

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

He was on Radio London as well after the game talking about January. Very clever with his choice of words. Not worth the club or MB getting into a war of words with him now, but the more I hear I'm glad he's going..

me too......has outstayed his welcome in my opinion and i said that at the end of jan......has been great for us but its time to move on

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

Were they singing his name today?

no

 

[Billy Hunt]

Were they singing his name today?

Yes :grey:

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Were they singing his name today?

No, about time that was stopped too. Should never have been sung after the fall out. Always felt like a **** you to Benham which is so so wrong.

 

[Billy Hunt]

No, about time that was stopped too. Should never have been sung after the fall out. Always felt like a **** you to Benham which is so so wrong.

I didn't imagine it. :grey: 1st half and 2nd half. Ealing rd. From the area the coin-chuckers seem to congregate.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I didn't imagine it. :grey: 1st half and 2nd half. Ealing rd. From the area the coin-chuckers seem to congregate.

Very muffled, half hearted attempt heard after our first goal. That's all I could hear in the paddock. The paddock quickly followed with 1 Matthew Benham but that didn't really take off either.

 

[Guildford Bee]

I didn't imagine it. :grey: 1st half and 2nd half. Ealing rd. From the area the coin-chuckers seem to congregate.

It was definitely sung but much quieter than previously. Warburton always very quick to give his fan club a wave.

The whole timing of his Twitter account strikes me as odd. He's definitely on a PR offensive.

 

[PJ]

Someone else will have to provide them. I threw away my programme in disgust!

Bullshit. You borrowed mine and returned it to me intact iirc (although i've mislaid it since)

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Once again he tells us what isn't the truth. No chance of anything else.

 

[bees66]

No, about time that was stopped too. Should never have been sung after the fall out. Always felt like a **** you to Benham which is so so wrong.

erm they did a few times...

 

[GABS]

Whatever the specifics it's all rather sad.

Premier League or more likely Championship I'm looking forward to the summer developments now. Want to get an idea of our team/staff that'll trot out at Lionel Road in a couple of years from now.

You B's!!

 

[Novice01274]

I really hope the end of season does not degenerate into an anti MW tirade. It is not necessary or warranted. He is going. We have to hope his successor is prepared to be as bold with his playing style to build on what has been the best season I have had in 40 of following the Bees. Success is not guaranteed whoever we get and however much we spend. I will start next season as nervous as I was this year because we are in among some big hitters who could buy us out many times over and nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Tenterdenbee]

Warbs writes his own programme notes unlike many other managers. I've found them very well written and good at getting his point across.

Today he mentioned that talking about January is pointless and he's sick of it and how everybody should be positive about the rest if the season. He then spent a whole column on his version of the truth.

You say he gave his version of the truth, in other words you are calling him a liar and "his version of the truth" a pack of lies.
I know there have been claims on this site of what happened or maybe happened but if you know the truth and know that Warburton is telling lies then you should be open about that and give Warburton the right of reply.

 

[Banana]

You say he gave his version of the truth, in other words you are calling him a liar and "his version of the truth" a pack of lies.
I know there have been claims on this site of what happened or maybe happened but if you know the truth and know that Warburton is telling lies then you should be open about that and give Warburton the right of reply.

I'm not saying that at all. Everyone will have their own "versions of the truth" and believe them to be the truth - that's how life is. I am sure if you asked 6,000 bees fans how this season has been then you will get many "versions of the truth" - the "truth" is not a black and white concept. If you want to be like that then why didn't MW offer whomever these "rumours and counter-rumours" a "right of reply" in his programme notes?

The point I was making (or at least trying to), is why does MW feel the need to spend his energy and programme notes on addressing "rumours and counter rumours"? Especially when he himself wanted to concentrate on the final few matches.

What is a counter-rumour by the way?

 

[DidntYouUsedToBee]

I'm not saying that at all. Everyone will have their own "versions of the truth" and believe them to be the truth - that's how life is. I am sure if you asked 6,000 bees fans how this season has been then you will get many "versions of the truth" - the "truth" is not a black and white concept. If you want to be like that then why didn't MW offer whomever these "rumours and counter-rumours" a "right of reply" in his programme notes?

The point I was making (or at least trying to), is why does MW feel the need to spend his energy and programme notes on addressing "rumours and counter rumours"? Especially when he himself wanted to concentrate on the final few matches.

What is a counter-rumour by the way?

Aww come on. You telling us he ain't got the spare energy to write a couple of paragraphs?!!

 

[jlove]

"His version of the truth" is not necessarily "a pack of lies"; IMHO he has presented truthful statements but edited to omit the whole truth. He has always been good at saying little but getting his point of view across and this seems no different.

Anyway, he's history and we need to move on.

 

[DidntYouUsedToBee]

I really hope the end of season does not degenerate into an anti MW tirade. It is not necessary or warranted. He is going. We have to hope his successor is prepared to be as bold with his playing style to build on what has been the best season I have had in 40 of following the Bees. Success is not guaranteed whoever we get and however much we spend. I will start next season as nervous as I was this year because we are in among some big hitters who could buy us out many times over and nothing is guaranteed.

Too true. And I dread to think what a furore there will be on here if the next Coach doesn't hit the ground running!

 

[GBS]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

 

[wanderer paul]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

more than likely it's the other one from up the road. :mad2:

 

[Les Beeavinu]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

Long ball behind the full backs, away win.

 

[Beesfan]

Very muffled, half hearted attempt heard after our first goal. That's all I could hear in the paddock. The paddock quickly followed with 1 Matthew Benham but that didn't really take off either.

Atmosphere was ***** today. worst i can remember all season. Warburton's name was sang....but it was as half hearted and lousy as everything else today.

 

[FlyBee]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

I doubt it.

 

[kevalutonbee]

There are three sides to every story my side your side and the truth

 

[Beezy]

I'm not saying that at all. Everyone will have their own "versions of the truth" and believe them to be the truth - that's how life is. I am sure if you asked 6,000 bees fans how this season has been then you will get many "versions of the truth" - the "truth" is not a black and white concept. If you want to be like that then why didn't MW offer whomever these "rumours and counter-rumours" a "right of reply" in his programme notes?

The point I was making (or at least trying to), is why does MW feel the need to spend his energy and programme notes on addressing "rumours and counter rumours"? Especially when he himself wanted to concentrate on the final few matches.

What is a counter-rumour by the way?

He wants his version of the truth out there to secure his next job. He doesn't want anything to "lower his stock", least of all question marks over how we ended up not signing anyone of significance in Jan.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Whatever anyone says on here, Warbs has been a breath of fresh air for us and has provided us with the best football ever, and a fantastic springboard from which to move forward. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, and the dignity with which he has conducted himself. Whatever the shortcomings of someone who has been in management for less than two years, I wouldn't dream of slagging him off on here. On the contrary, promotion or not, he leaves with my gratitude and complete respect.

 

[Sheerwater Bee]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

Rubbish.....

 

[taylor339]

I read into his notes as someone who wanted to get the record straight before he leaves about potential January signings which fell through. It seemed that sensible, level headed decisions were made not to sign certain players for genuine reasons such as...

1. Demands did not represent good value for the club
2. Loan club demanding that players must get an automatic start

As its our first season as well in the Championship, I don't think it would make business sense that we pay over the odds in the January window for such players. Do that and other players get the hump and want similar terms and the wage bill starts spiralling excessively upwards. Best to keep control of the wage bill especially with a new stadium to pay for and stabilise in the Championship.

Warbs is doing a brilliant job for the club, but so is MB and both deserve our respect and support for some breathtaking football and an exciting future at Brentford. With respect to the chanting of Warbs name on the ER, that was why I was one of those chanting.

 

[Banana]

As its our first season as well in the Championship, I don't think it would make business sense that we pay over the odds in the January window for such players.

Can you tell us more about this "business sense" please?

 

[hatfieldbee]

Can you tell us more about this "business sense" please?

...and how the new stadium impacts on wages? I thought the building costs of the LR would bee capital expenditure, whilst wages were 'profit and loss' revenue expenditure. How silly I must bee... .

 

[taylor339]

Can you tell us more about this "business sense" please?

Sure, clubs that go up are at the highest risk of going back down. Don't fancy going into League 1 with an unsustainable wage bill at that level.

 

[Banana]

Sure, clubs that go up are at the highest risk of going back down. Don't fancy going into League 1 with an unsustainable wage bill at that level.

I'm going to give you a swerve I think. Thanks.

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

I'm going to give you a swerve I think. Thanks.

Very wise. It's like trying to describe the colour of grass to a blind man.

 

[GP200]

Were they singing his name today?

...............................................yes.............................

 

[hatfieldbee]

Sure, clubs that go up are at the highest risk of going back down. Don't fancy going into League 1 with an unsustainable wage bill at that level.

I'd venture to suggest most, if not all, clubs now agree 'relegation clauses' in player's contracts, so in that event, wages are reduced appropriately.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

What I suspect to be the truth is that MW will be at Fulham next season, and crafting - with DW - a side capable of doing better than Brentford in the next campaign.

From listening in on some Fulham fans on the way to their game whilst i was on my way to work................... They seem to think he will be at QPR next year with Ramsey as his assistant. They went on to say MW knows Ramsey and will do well down there. They then went to talk about our set up and how well we were doing. Plus on of their newphews is in our youth set up and has nothing but praise for the way in which things are run....... Turns out the lad left Chelsea to join us.

All speculation i know but they were certain on him moving down the road.

 

[IslandBee]

And so the re-writing of history goes on! Like sheep we all now have dutifully to follow behind anti-MW line. So, yes, I too agree: I have never really liked MW either; I doubt he played any real part in our promotion last season; he was lucky to be our manager at a time when we challenged from beginning to end for the play offs in our first full season in the second tier for 20 years; and I will really not miss the dire, negative football he has instructed the team to play!