We are going up

We are going up

We're not a one man team german, we simply must hang on to Eddie H.
 

We are going up

scaramanga said:
We're not a one man team german, we simply must hang on to Eddie H.
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Yeah i know but with Sonko in our defence we are rock solid.
Play offs here we conme.
 

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German Bee said:
If we can keep Sonko.
Don´t sell him sign him up for longer.:nono:
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Or sell him for a good price and get enough cash to guarantee the club stays in business for another season. There will be tough decisions to be made when we get the inevitable offers for Smith and Sonko.
 

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love and mercy said:
Your having a laugh
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Play offs,promotion, why not..........!

My youngest son has been saying we will reach the playoffs since the start of the season. As you do with kids I have been humouring him not wishing to dampen such innocent enthusiasm.

But I ahve to admit after today's fine and very deserving result against another top team you start to think that if we can play like this regularly, well anythings' possible.

I have not seen a team that looks a class above us, this is a very even division and we have not looked out of place against all the top sides.
 

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Too early to tell in my view, the division is quite tight and there are a lot of teams with a game in hand. After Christmas is usually when I can see things taking shape. However if we can get on a roll and hope no-one signs our players then we could be looking good. Too many silly results though, we should be up there by quite a way if you think we've lost to Tranmere, Notts County, Peterborough, who we normally do OK against.
 

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Quite right Marky, if we stay up again this season then Wally deserves the freedom of the borough of brentford, or at least a gold star or somethng.
 

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How about a statue made of papier-mache to symbolise how he did it with no money.
 

We are going up

We are not consistent enough to go up.

Still it is good that we are finally being entertained as fans at Griffin Park.
 

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It seems that although the dreaded subject is skirted around both in the Grapevine forums and in other discussions, some of them maybe even at FA level, who knows, but I think that we - and a whole host of other lower division clubs - need to face up to the very sad and unpalatable truth that we aint ever going anywhere.

Apart from the odd lucky break (Brighton recently are a very good example) clubs like us in serious debt are not going to get promoted simply because we HAVE to sell our good players to stay in the League. So here is a debate: do we throw caution to the winds and risk all (but maybe, just maybe, get lucky) or do we plod down to GP every other Saturday with the other four and a half thousand faithful to watch crap lower division football. Face it, Gentlemen, IT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. And if we make bold predictions of promotion, we are not kidding anyone but ourselves. Come January Smith and Sonko will go, and come April/May we will once more be sh*tting ourselves at 4.40 every Saturday, hoping that someoen else has lost, to keep us up. Without some Al-Fayed or Madejski-type benefactor, this WILL be as good as it gets.
 

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I think that if brentford continue to play good football and keep the team together then we may have a chance of play offs but i dont think the team we have at the moment will be the sam ecome the end of the season so lets not get too exicited shall we as most people have seen it all before bees doing well and then messing it up in the play offs.
 

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longdistancebee said:
It seems that although the dreaded subject is skirted around both in the Grapevine forums and in other discussions, some of them maybe even at FA level, who knows, but I think that we - and a whole host of other lower division clubs - need to face up to the very sad and unpalatable truth that we aint ever going anywhere.
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Well that's optimism for you! How on earth do you know it's not going to change? It will only stay like this if pessimists like you run the football club. :nono:

We're doing well...chins up...playoffs here we come :)
 

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See you in Cardiff...

bunch of party poopers.. :mad2: bad marky bee, pinch and longmoaning bee :nono:

We are the best team in the land land land (apart from last saturday) and as has been said, this division appears to be pony.... so why not? :bound:
 

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Steve986 said:
Well that's optimism for you! How on earth do you know it's not going to change? It will only stay like this if pessimists like you run the football club. :nono:

Oh I wish I wish I WAS running the club. I would absolutely love to get my hands on it and maybe be able to run it as any sensible SME should be run. Sadly however, I have neither the money nor the connections.:rolleyes:
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Well I'm glad you're not. I have no time for pessimists like you at the best of times, but when we've taken 20 points from the last 10 games, it really does seem pointless. :eek: Look!
 
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We are going up

Please do not misunderstand me. Apart from the fact that I regard myself as a realist more than a pessimist, I would dearly love us to go up, but I am so concerned that with the problems faced by so many smaller (and some larger) clubs, we are just caught in a never-ending cycle of boom (when we have the players and thus get the results) and bust (when we then have to sell to survive, and get Donald Ducked in the play-offs again). But, Steve986, I really hope I AM being unduly pessimistic.
 

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longdistancebee said:
Please do not misunderstand me. Apart from the fact that I regard myself as a realist more than a pessimist, I would dearly love us to go up, but I am so concerned that with the problems faced by so many smaller (and some larger) clubs, we are just caught in a never-ending cycle of boom (when we have the players and thus get the results) and bust (when we then have to sell to survive, and get Donald Ducked in the play-offs again). But, Steve986, I really hope I AM being unduly pessimistic.
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I doubt if there's a club in this division which is not in debt, and it gets no better in Div1 or even the PL (Even Man City are "managing" a £50m debt).

Your right about boom and bust but things could just be changing with salary caps and penalising clubs that go into admin. The FA are slowly realising there has to be a level playing field financialy if football is to thrive in the future. It may take someone big to fold like Leeds to really hammer this home.
 

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If we keep everyone we have a decent chance of reachign the playoffs but if sonko and smudger go, no matter what we get for them, we will go down.
 

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I'm no bleeding heart optimist, but surely the fact we put four past Luton and Brighton (promotion contenders) counts for something. And we beat Barnsley too. Some might say that's no big shakes, as the Tykes aren't that good. But the fact they were in second tells us how close this division is. Wednesday are pretty poor and Rangers quite shaky too up front - there's a few games they've drawn that they should have won.. Look at the table; it's all very close. Apart from Plymouth, there are no out-and-out strong sides (perhaps Bristol City excepted).

If we beat QPR that'll put us in a play-off spot. It'll all go horribly wrong again I fear, but things are certainly looking better than this time two months ago.
 

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Oh I wish I wish I WAS running the club. I would absolutely love to get my hands on it and maybe be able to run it as any sensible SME should be run. Sadly however, I have neither the money nor the connections.
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Who is going to run the football club then? Another ****ing tw*t like Noades or Webb? It's people like them who got us in this mess. The BU elections were open to everyone to run. Also I don't feel football is the same as other company types.

The team are playing well at the moment, but I think it's too early to tell anything about the league. I'd put a bet on QPR and Plymouth being up there at the end from looking at their goal difference although maybe they'll hiccup. Can't tell otherwise. We are nearly halfway to survival and that's the most important thing until we pass that, then we can go for mid-table, then the play-offs maybe. I think any hopes we had of doing as well as that have been lost in our abysmal start.
 

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CJC said:
Who is going to run the football club then? Another ****ing tw*t like Noades or Webb? It's people like them who got us in this mess. The BU elections were open to everyone to run. Also I don't feel football is the same as other company types.

The team are playing well at the moment, but I think it's too early to tell anything about the league. I'd put a bet on QPR and Plymouth being up there at the end from looking at their goal difference although maybe they'll hiccup. Can't tell otherwise. We are nearly halfway to survival and that's the most important thing until we pass that, then we can go for mid-table, then the play-offs maybe. I think any hopes we had of doing as well as that have been lost in our abysmal start.
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Correct CJC, the mess that this club is in, is due to the fact that we have had a couple of cheap wide boy villains that have ruined us. But hey I have just watched a premiershit match, Leicster v Blackburn, it was like watching paint dry.
I know where I would sooner Bee on a Saturday afternoon, as for long distance bee there are to many pessimists like you following our club. We can all get off our arses and try to turn things around.
I dont care about premiershit clubs, take the top three out and the rest is crap. The days of a euro super league are fast approaching, Give me Brentford football club any day.
 

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At the end of the day you never know what is around the next corner, beating both Brighton and Barnsley certainly wasn't on the cards a few weeks ago. you never know Tabb could continue to play to the standard he has reached at the mo and we may get Wright for the rest of the season, putting that together with the possibility that both Sonko and Smith stay then we have a very good chance of hitting the play offs. Whether optimistic or pecimistic i think we should all get behind Wally and the boys and pray and hope that maybe something good will happen to the club for a change. God knows the supporters deserve it after all these years.
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You're wrong longdistancebee, every Brentford supporter has the connections, and you don't need any money. If you have the skills to help run the Club more efficiently, all you have to do is get in touch with me and arrange a meeting so we can discuss your plans. If you can run the club better than it's being run now, you will be welcomed with open arms!
 

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the balls in your court now LDB, its not every day these offers come along.
Top post John!
 

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bee there are to many pessimists like you following our club
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Don't think that's meant at me but if it is I'm quite the opimist.

I'm quite optimistic, i can't see any reason why we can't get into division one if not the premiership once we are comfortably earning from LR. If we'd been allowed to play at Tranmere we'd have won that I think and had we won against Notts. County and Peterborough who we really should be beating or getting points off we'd be up at the top, it's just a shame we don't get lucky sometimes.

But hey I have just watched a premiershit match, Leicster v Blackburn, it was like watching paint dry.
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What do you expect they're boring teams. I don't think hating the premiership for the sake of it is healthy, I saw two decent games on Premiership Plus the last two sundays, but I have no affinity with the clubs as I'm a Brentford fan, or the league as we don't play in it. Also it's no good complaining about the Premiership now as when we are in it six to ten years after we move into LR people will have to eat their words.

Attack of the Jon Mac :D Well said.
 

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CJC said:
Don't think that's meant at me but if it is I'm quite the opimist.

I'm quite optimistic, i can't see any reason why we can't get into division one if not the premiership once we are comfortably earning from LR. If we'd been allowed to play at Tranmere we'd have won that I think and had we won against Notts. County and Peterborough who we really should be beating or getting points off we'd be up at the top, it's just a shame we don't get lucky sometimes.

NO CJC this is not meant for you , it was for longdistance bee.
I travel a long distance to get to the home games and I love it win, draw, or lose. and I am so proud to support this club. I just get so fed up with eternal pessimists, thank god were not all like that or this club would now have been history

Attack of the Jon Mac :D Well said.
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I don't think that we are going to go up as I am doubtful as to whether we are consistent enough, and also whether we will manage to hold on to our best players.

At the moment the Bees are neither a good side nor a bad side. They just seem to alternate between the two.

However I think it is worth remembering that pre-season we were bookies favourites for the drop(and rightly so) so we have to be pleased with the way Wally has built a credible mid-table side who, on their day, can beat anyone.
 

We are going up

I think that the division is quite poor this year, but we will not go up.

If we finish mid table with a half decent cup round (i.e. Round 3 v bigger club), I will be chuffed.

All I want is for us to have accumlated enough points before the Premiership transfer window opens (in case, Sonko &/ or Smith go) & I will be very happy. Winning @ Loftus Road would be nice as well.
 

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Success on the field is staying up - anything more including a cup run would be into bonus time.

Success off the field is meeting financial goals, and having a realistic plan to continue to be in existance over the coming years.
 

We are going up

The division is really very even at the moment. I'd be surprised if we managed to get near promotion because our squad is too young and thin to be able to cope with a lot of long-term absences through injury/suspension (although we have coped well in recent weeks) or to be able to turn around a run of poor form quickly if we revert to our early season standard for a while.

That said, it isn't impossible. We actually are second in the form league (just behind Plymouth); Statmail's predictions (albeit that they are not terribly accurate because of the vagaries of how football is) put as finishing 7th at the moment! If we can start to improve our away form, grinding out draws in the games we are currently losing and staying in winning ways at home, then there is still hope.
 

We are going up

Anything beyond staying in div2 and buying some financial time is beyond any realistic expectation. And just doing those two is, under the circumstances of RN's last few years, something to celebrate.

I'd be very happy with a big away 3rd round FA Cup match and if if we could get 12 points or so from the 8 games left before new year. If decent offers come in we're going to sell Smith and Sonko, hopefully reaping 1million (but probably less), and find our way to 50+ points by May.

...but then, you wouldn't be a fan if you didn't ask "well, why couldn't it happen?..."
 

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I don't think we're good enough to go up, but as has already been said, the league is very tight, so who knows.

We must be optimistic, but also we must get carried away - wasn't it only about 4-5 weeks ago most people on GPG had us down as relegation certainties (me included) and the majority were calling for Wally's head.

The last 3 home games have been terrific for us - 10 goals, 9 points and entertainment. Let's hope for more, but if the next home game against Grimsby doesn't produce goals and points, lets not all get on the doom and gloom bandwagon.

It's a long season - and there's a long way to go.
 

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John Mac said:
You're wrong longdistancebee, every Brentford supporter has the connections, and you don't need any money. If you have the skills to help run the Club more efficiently, all you have to do is get in touch with me and arrange a meeting so we can discuss your plans. If you can run the club better than it's being run now, you will be welcomed with open arms!
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In my absence (away on business) I seem to have been pilloried, somewhat unfairly, I feel. But hey - the forum is for opinions, and if I express mine, others must have the right to disagree. One man's pessimism is another man's realism!

But ref running the club, I would not bring any shattering revelations, just sensible financial husbandry. However, that would include recognising the unique place a football club has in industry. To be honest, if a company of mine was in such dire financial do-do as we are, then I would simply fold. But a football club is a bit more than that. Further, I have never looked at the books, but by gum would I love to......
 

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1. Given that we were dead certs for relegation at the start of the season, the current position in amazing. Promotion, whilst it would be great, is a pipe dream this season - survival is a greater and more important aim.

2. Wouldn't promotion make a mess of our low wage structure - you can get away with it when you're expected to prop up the 2nd Division, but 1st Division football comes at a price.

3. ...but the footie's been good to watch this season.

4. ...and as long as we beat QPR I'll be happy!
 

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I still would be happy with a top ten finish and beating rangers that would then change my opinon of a certain rangers fan called downes.
 

We are going up

I don't think we will go up, but that isn't to say it COULDN'T happen.

This is a very poor league. The Plymouth team that is currently top is nowhere near as good as some of the teams that have played at this level in recent years.

We are better tahn last year, and as such will probably finish higher, how high is anyones guess.

The only certainty IMHO is that without Sonko and Smith it isn't going to happen.
 

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If we keep our Squad and add a Defender before xmas then we will be in the Playoffs and it is about time we Won them.

We are Going up say we are going up.
 

We are going up

Much will depend on the May, Wright, Rougier contracts, if we could extend loans to the end of the season and sign Rougier for at least that long, then maybe.
It is a division where on the day any team could be any of the others, so lets get to 50 points as early as possible and push on from there. But please remember lots of away games to come before xmas. cautious optimism from me.
 

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longdistancebee said:
.....we plod down to GP every other Saturday with the other four and a half thousand faithful to watch crap lower division football.....
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Ldb, your perception of watching football at GP is very different to mine.

Last Saturday, for instance, I watched a young team, playing out of their skin, put in a performance which exceeded their collective ability to defeat a top table side. I saw young Jay Tabb, one of the most exciting players ever to emerge from our youth system, put in another inspiring performance during which his pin point pass set up Rougier to curl in the Bees' Goal of the Season so far. As is the case with a young side such as ours, two mistakes nearly cost us the win in the last 5 mins. But we held on. It was brilliant, I had a great afternoon and as a Brook Rd. season ticket holder it only cost me a little over £9.

So, you see, my afternoon was far from the dour one you describe. In fact at approximately 4:15pm I was actually jumping with joy. Go and do a quick survey of your colleagues at work and ask them when was the last time that they were so happy they were jumping with joy. Some will be thinking back to their childhoods, we only have to go back to 4:15 on Saturday.
 

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Richy, I feel you have not interpreted my posting correctly. I am in no way disputing the good football we are playing right now, and if we keep this squad together, with no enforced give-away sales in January, then we WILL be somewhere in the top 6 come May. But my point is that there has to be a fair chance that our financial situation will dictate that, if we get good offers in January, we will HAVE to sell, to service the debt.

I then went on to point out that it has almost always been that way. I can still feel the disbelief when we sold O'Mara to Blackburn, and scuppered our chances that year. And then we go back to the poor football and dire straights in which we would then find ourselves, once more robbed of those players who make the difference.
 
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