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What do we do now?

i'd like to see hamer restored to gk

dickson moving forward to left midfield with
charles coming in at left back and poole drpping to impact sub

and if he comes back from lewes fitter,
charlie ide given another chance on the right

we're getting beaten every week anyway so what's there to lose

in form, ide-elder-connell-dickson
would be a handful for anyone at this level
 

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tomisabee said:
How would that get banged?s a good mix of experance and youth and speed. would be a good side i think
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I disagree. I'm of the opinion that you need to be a "b a s t a rd" in this league, with a blend of decent simple football ofcourse.

That many youngsters would get bullied. Fact.
 

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I'd like to see all loanees we don't intend to keep sent back.
Keep Hamer and Reid and attempt to keep them based on performances from now until the end of the season.
Get all our loaned players back and start assessing now. That doesn't necessarily mean putting them on the pitch, but they should be training with the squad at the very least. You can't assess loaned out players when they're 50 miles away on training and match days.
Play players in their correct positions i.e. try Ide or Reid (that's long enough to assess whether they stay or go) up front and Dickson in his correct place on the left wing with Charles at LB. If that means dropping Poole to the bench, so be it, there are only 11 places on the pitch and all places should be worked hard for.
Take the captaincy off of Osborne and give it to someone with a bit more experience like O'Connor. If O'Connor's not available, give it to Bennett. Osborne's not captain material yet and needs to concentrate on his defending first, not that of his own plus 3 others.
Lock Glenn Poole and Ryan Dickson in a room and let them hammer it out until they've got whatever bugs are up each others arses out so they can actually play together and pass the ball to each other without it looking like they're doing us all a huge favour.
Get all the injuries operated on NOW to give them an extra 6 weeks recovery time.
Spend every single day of at least 2 weeks in the close season teaching all of our players BASIC skills. If you can't pass the ball along the ground at any distance up to 30 yards and can't stop the ball dead or at least control it consistently with your first touch, you're not a league footballer. Also teach the defenders how to welly it under pressure.
We have the nucleus of a good team but they commit so many basic errors, at least some of the close season needs to be devoted to putting them all through basic football training school.
Release Shakes to Trinidad's Olympic 100m team for the summer so at least there'll be one thing on the Olympics worth watching.
 

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flowerpower bee said:
i'd like to see hamer restored to gk

dickson moving forward to left midfield with
charles coming in at left back and poole drpping to impact sub
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Let elder have his op, and move Poole up front with Connell, may as well try it.
 

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VTG said:
I'd like to see all loanees we don't intend to keep sent back.
Keep Hamer and Reid and attempt to keep them based on performances from now until the end of the season.
Get all our loaned players back and start assessing now. That doesn't necessarily mean putting them on the pitch, but they should be training with the squad at the very least. You can't assess loaned out players when they're 50 miles away on training and match days.
Play players in their correct positions i.e. try Ide or Reid (that's long enough to assess whether they stay or go) up front and Dickson in his correct place on the left wing with Charles at LB. If that means dropping Poole to the bench, so be it, there are only 11 places on the pitch and all places should be worked hard for.
Take the captaincy off of Osborne and give it to someone with a bit more experience like O'Connor. If O'Connor's not available, give it to Bennett. Osborne's not captain material yet and needs to concentrate on his defending first, not that of his own plus 3 others.
Lock Glenn Poole and Ryan Dickson in a room and let them hammer it out until they've got whatever bugs are up each others arses out so they can actually play together and pass the ball to each other without it looking like they're doing us all a huge favour.
Get all the injuries operated on NOW to give them an extra 6 weeks recovery time.
Spend every single day of at least 2 weeks in the close season teaching all of our players BASIC skills. If you can't pass the ball along the ground at any distance up to 30 yards and can't stop the ball dead or at least control it consistently with your first touch, you're not a league footballer. Also teach the defenders how to welly it under pressure.
We have the nucleus of a good team but they commit so many basic errors, at least some of the close season needs to be devoted to putting them all through basic football training school.
Release Shakes to Trinidad's Olympic 100m team for the summer so at least there'll be one thing on the Olympics worth watching.
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Excellent post.agree with you 100% VTG. :sorted:
 

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tomisabee said:
I have siad this many times before, but send back the players we dont intend to keep, such as Sankofa and Brown. I do not know why Stone was sent back as he just got better and better each game, so i think we should sign him next season. Then we can start to build for next season starting from now, play the players who need to be played back into form such as KOC and Moose. and then play some youth t give them some vital experance for next season such as Dark, Oyebanjo, Dizuka (dident spell it right). for some of out upcomeing games i would like to see AS field a team like:

----------------Hamer----------------
---Oyebanjo--Bennett--Dark--Charles---
-Reid--------KOC-----Moose-------Dickson---
----------Connell-----Dizuka--------------

This team would allow Moose and KOC to play them self back into the game. Allow Elder to fully recover from his kneee injury. Give Dark, Oyebanjo, Charles and Dizuka some valuble experance and we can see if they are hot prospects for the future. Give Dickson a chance to see what his like on the left wing. ANd finally we can see what Reid is made of.
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Dark is not a left sided centre half, where is Poole ? wheres Smith ?
 

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No need for Poole's 15 goals when you've got a right back at centre back, a striker and a left back on either wing, two right backs in centre midfield, and a couple of enthusiastic schoolboys on the pitch. :sorted:
 

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All you people that think Dickson would be better than Poole at left wing are just ignoring the stats. It would take dickson at least 4 seasons to match poole's goal tally for this season. The last thing we need is less goals in this team.

we need
gk,rb, cb ( 2 if Heywood goes )
Simon Ratcliffe type midfielder to cover if Kev is injured or God forbid allowed to leave.
 

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nick logan said:
Dark is not a left sided centre half, where is Poole ? wheres Smith ?
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Did you read my post?

That team is to give players a go and see how they preform.

Smith and Poole are 1st teamers, that team i put out is a kinda reserve team with some 1st teamers in it, just to see what players are made of
 

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Jimbee said:
No need for Poole's 15 goals when you've got a right back at centre back, a striker and a left back on either wing, two right backs in centre midfield, and a couple of enthusiastic schoolboys on the pitch. :sorted:
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I think most people on here would agree that apart from his goals Poole brings f*ck all to the team. Yes, I admit some of his goals have been spectacular and in all probability he will never repeat them. A David Beckam he aint. The big advantage Dickson has over Poole is his work rate.
As for missing his goals, if the strikers were doing there job properly it wouldn't be so bad. Connell has some nice touches I agree, but I'd prefer a Tommy Mooney type of player. Elder? Hard to fault. He is young and raw, but I believe we have a red hot prospect in him. Why not give Reid 90 mins now instead of Connell, and maybe bring back Ide for Shakes.
Brown is embarrasing as a keeper. Perhaps if he couldn't get a game he might do us all a favour and f*ck off.


IMHO main problem spots are GK, CB, RB, RM, LM and CF.
 

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nick logan said:
All you people that think Dickson would be better than Poole at left wing are just ignoring the stats. It would take dickson at least 4 seasons to match poole's goal tally for this season. The last thing we need is less goals in this team.
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You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when Dickson turned up and whenever he's been put out on the left wing he's been able to get forward, beat defenders time and again with the occasional little trick and get the ball in the box. If 30 of his crosses get converted into goals, I don't give a sh*t if he doesn't score a single one all season. You can count the number of times Poole's got down the left, beat his man and crossed the ball on the fingers of one hand after a particularly unlucky day in woodwork class.

At the moment, he's stuck in defence out of necessity with Poole in front of him because:
1) Poole can't defend but is at least naturally left-footed so it's got to be better than putting someone right footed out there,
2) There were about 2 matches after we signed him where Dickson and Poole played a really effective overlap and covered each other which Poole seems to have forgotten about completely,
and
3) Rather Dickson than Charles.

Might be just me but I constantly pick up a negative vibe between the two of them on the pitch. Whether this is because Poole (rightly!) views Dickson as a threat for the LW position, I don't know. Maybe it's because at 26 Poole thinks he should be getting somewhere better than he is, but we obviously had to wave a fair bit of cash at Dickson to persuade him that this was the place to be and maybe that plays on Poole a bit. Which goes back to my previous point about locking them in a room until they sort it out.

What you have got right though is that Dickson hasn't shown this season that he can shoot. He's a playmaker, but not really a goalscorer. If he cuts inside, he seems to get a nose bleed about 25 yards out.

Point is, in the close season we do need at least one more striker with a good record (I'll point out Mark Nwokeji again until someone in L1 picks him up and we all have a moan about missing out), with a good player (Dickson) on the left wing to rain those crosses in but with enough legs to get back and cover his defender.

I don't have a severe dislike of him like some people around here, but perhaps Poole should be dropped in order to spur him to challenge for his place again. He has shown flashes of good play but has steadily declined and maybe he's becoming a bit complacent.
 

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VTG said:
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when Dickson turned up and whenever he's been put out on the left wing he's been able to get forward, beat defenders time and again with the occasional little trick and get the ball in the box. If 30 of his crosses get converted into goals, I don't give a sh*t if he doesn't score a single one all season. You can count the number of times Poole's got down the left, beat his man and crossed the ball on the fingers of one hand after a particularly unlucky day in woodwork class.

At the moment, he's stuck in defence out of necessity with Poole in front of him because:
1) Poole can't defend but is at least naturally left-footed so it's got to be better than putting someone right footed out there,
2) There were about 2 matches after we signed him where Dickson and Poole played a really effective overlap and covered each other which Poole seems to have forgotten about completely,
and
3) Rather Dickson than Charles.

Might be just me but I constantly pick up a negative vibe between the two of them on the pitch. Whether this is because Poole (rightly!) views Dickson as a threat for the LW position, I don't know. Maybe it's because at 26 Poole thinks he should be getting somewhere better than he is, but we obviously had to wave a fair bit of cash at Dickson to persuade him that this was the place to be and maybe that plays on Poole a bit. Which goes back to my previous point about locking them in a room until they sort it out.

What you have got right though is that Dickson hasn't shown this season that he can shoot. He's a playmaker, but not really a goalscorer. If he cuts inside, he seems to get a nose bleed about 25 yards out.

Point is, in the close season we do need at least one more striker with a good record (I'll point out Mark Nwokeji again until someone in L1 picks him up and we all have a moan about missing out), with a good player (Dickson) on the left wing to rain those crosses in but with enough legs to get back and cover his defender.

I don't have a severe dislike of him like some people around here, but perhaps Poole should be dropped in order to spur him to challenge for his place again. He has shown flashes of good play but has steadily declined and maybe he's becoming a bit complacent.
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Another excellent post VTG.
 

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VTG said:
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when Dickson turned up and whenever he's been put out on the left wing he's been able to get forward, beat defenders time and again with the occasional little trick and get the ball in the box. If 30 of his crosses get converted into goals, I don't give a sh*t if he doesn't score a single one all season. You can count the number of times Poole's got down the left, beat his man and crossed the ball on the fingers of one hand after a particularly unlucky day in woodwork class.

At the moment, he's stuck in defence out of necessity with Poole in front of him because:
1) Poole can't defend but is at least naturally left-footed so it's got to be better than putting someone right footed out there,
2) There were about 2 matches after we signed him where Dickson and Poole played a really effective overlap and covered each other which Poole seems to have forgotten about completely,
and
3) Rather Dickson than Charles.

Might be just me but I constantly pick up a negative vibe between the two of them on the pitch. Whether this is because Poole (rightly!) views Dickson as a threat for the LW position, I don't know. Maybe it's because at 26 Poole thinks he should be getting somewhere better than he is, but we obviously had to wave a fair bit of cash at Dickson to persuade him that this was the place to be and maybe that plays on Poole a bit. Which goes back to my previous point about locking them in a room until they sort it out.

What you have got right though is that Dickson hasn't shown this season that he can shoot. He's a playmaker, but not really a goalscorer. If he cuts inside, he seems to get a nose bleed about 25 yards out.

Point is, in the close season we do need at least one more striker with a good record (I'll point out Mark Nwokeji again until someone in L1 picks him up and we all have a moan about missing out), with a good player (Dickson) on the left wing to rain those crosses in but with enough legs to get back and cover his defender.

I don't have a severe dislike of him like some people around here, but perhaps Poole should be dropped in order to spur him to challenge for his place again. He has shown flashes of good play but has steadily declined and maybe he's becoming a bit complacent.
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:sorted:


Agree entirely, Poole and Dickson always seems to be moaning at each other lately. Also, I would like to see us have an old pro as a midfield general who can direct things, like the guy from Wycombe did when they put him on for the second half on Boxing day (had a beard can never remember his name!). He didn't run about much but just sprayed the ball around making full use of the man advantage.
 

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To those asking for a midfield general..

I'm not disagreeing but would you split the Smith/KOC partnership? If there was to be such a type of player, surely you'd have him alongside Smith? This leaves out Kevin, who has played a major role in our survival this year in the holding position. Could he possibly fit back in at right back and in doing so end our problems in this area as well as sure up the defence?

RE Poole - I agree with VTG. It might be a blessing in disguise if we were offered cash for Glenn in the summer. Would very much miss some of the crackers he's scored though.
 

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Think jimchelsea is talking about Docherty of Wycombe (Ex Bristol City) as the sort of ideal midfielder for this league. Torres did the damage but this bloke does what Kevin O'Connor does well, breaks it up and played it simple without breaking sweat.
It's a difficult formula for Scotty does he stick or twist, bottom line is he wants/needs a win and then good things happen by default, so his policy at the mo is trying to pick an XI that'll win . He is changing things game by game but it ain't working at the moment.
KOC has to be the holding midfielder as it gives Karleigh and Bennett much need cover, but Smithy can't be the lone midfielder going forward, Poole or Shakes have to be more involved, if not, one needs to be sacrificed (it has to be Shakes) as Poole scores you goals and Mous is then the third central midfielder with one on the wing.
Just an idea like - if we close the gaps that have started to appear regularly in our final third of the pitch recently, the clean sheets Scotty is looking for may start to happen.
 

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My tomisabee moment (sorry). 3-4-2-1. :eek:

Hamer (when we sign him)

Osborne-Heywood-Charles

Pead-Smith-KOC-Dickson

Connell-Poole

Elder

It works on FM2008. :wave: ;)
 

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Only if AS thinks like me, we would have a great team.
tbh, you never know if any of my crazy ideas mite work until they are tryed
 

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Once Montague is back I wouldn't be too surprised to see Elder go and have his operation. Starting with Reid up front alongside Connell for a couple of games at least. Giving him a chance to prove himself, after all that is why he is here.

Bring up someone such as Dikuiza for the bench and give him 10/15 minutes at first. Closer to end of the season try Oyebanjo at right back or perhaps Dark if he is back from his loan.

For a couple of games perhaps give Poole a rest on the bench. Starting with Dickson at Left mid and Charles behind him.

Aside form that there isn't a lot that can be done player wise without proving too costly. Possibly testing formations but would rather save that for pre season.


Oh and getting Hamer back in goal would be good
 

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MetalBee said:
Once Montague is back I wouldn't be too surprised to see Elder go and have his operation. Starting with Reid up front alongside Connell for a couple of games at least. Giving him a chance to prove himself, after all that is why he is here.

Bring up someone such as Dikuiza for the bench and give him 10/15 minutes at first. Closer to end of the season try Oyebanjo at right back or perhaps Dark if he is back from his loan.

For a couple of games perhaps give Poole a rest on the bench. Starting with Dickson at Left mid and Charles behind him.

Aside form that there isn't a lot that can be done player wise without proving too costly. Possibly testing formations but would rather save that for pre season.


Oh and getting Hamer back in goal would be good
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Me and you think alike
that is exactly what i said in my previous post
 

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VTG said:
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that when Dickson turned up and whenever he's been put out on the left wing he's been able to get forward, beat defenders time and again with the occasional little trick and get the ball in the box. If 30 of his crosses get converted into goals, I don't give a sh*t if he doesn't score a single one all season. You can count the number of times Poole's got down the left, beat his man and crossed the ball on the fingers of one hand after a particularly unlucky day in woodwork class.

At the moment, he's stuck in defence out of necessity with Poole in front of him because:
1) Poole can't defend but is at least naturally left-footed so it's got to be better than putting someone right footed out there,
2) There were about 2 matches after we signed him where Dickson and Poole played a really effective overlap and covered each other which Poole seems to have forgotten about completely,
and
3) Rather Dickson than Charles.

Might be just me but I constantly pick up a negative vibe between the two of them on the pitch. Whether this is because Poole (rightly!) views Dickson as a threat for the LW position, I don't know. Maybe it's because at 26 Poole thinks he should be getting somewhere better than he is, but we obviously had to wave a fair bit of cash at Dickson to persuade him that this was the place to be and maybe that plays on Poole a bit. Which goes back to my previous point about locking them in a room until they sort it out.

What you have got right though is that Dickson hasn't shown this season that he can shoot. He's a playmaker, but not really a goalscorer. If he cuts inside, he seems to get a nose bleed about 25 yards out.

Point is, in the close season we do need at least one more striker with a good record (I'll point out Mark Nwokeji again until someone in L1 picks him up and we all have a moan about missing out), with a good player (Dickson) on the left wing to rain those crosses in but with enough legs to get back and cover his defender.

I don't have a severe dislike of him like some people around here, but perhaps Poole should be dropped in order to spur him to challenge for his place again. He has shown flashes of good play but has steadily declined and maybe he's becoming a bit complacent.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I think there are a lot of problems to sort out before we start taking Poole out of the team.
 

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nick logan said:
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I think there are a lot of problems to sort out before we start taking Poole out of the team.
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Oh I agree with you there absolutely. Left wing is not the least or only worry. Still like to see Dickson given a decent runout there for the remainder of the season though.
 

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Dickson in.
Poole out.
 

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nick logan said:
That means we would have to play Darius "Maldini" Charles though:eek: ;)
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Twisted logic: Dickson's a better winger than Poole. Charles is a better defender than Poole.
Hmm... :fishing:
 

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Fascinated at the debate on here regarding Poole, since when have we been blessed with so many strikers that we can afford to lose a player who averages a goal every 3 games in every level of football that he has played, I appreciate that he is not the most hard working player we have ever seen but give him 46 games next season and you will get a return of 15 goals. Who was the last forward to produce that sort of return????

I would far rather we sorted out the defence and goalkeepers neither Brown nor Hamer really fill me with confidence though I guess Hamer will improve with age, and the defence is about as effective as a chocolate teapot. Lets not get carried away here we have missed Matty but this is a team that has at most 4 clean sheets this season with or without him.

I think a major change is required in the defence and also whilst we miss Kev he is not the worlds greatest holding midfielder as, when the going has been tough in the past he is one of the first to crumble!! Que abuse but please look back at last year and the Butcher days, if you were in the trenches would kevin be your choice of partner??

My concern is that we have heard Scotty do the big talk however the loanee players he has brought in have been of varied ability and use and I have worries over the calibre of player he will be able to get or beleives we need.
 

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The Pipe said:
Fascinated at the debate on here regarding Poole, since when have we been blessed with so many strikers that we can afford to lose a player who averages a goal every 3 games in every level of football that he has played, I appreciate that he is not the most hard working player we have ever seen but give him 46 games next season and you will get a return of 15 goals. Who was the last forward to produce that sort of return????

I would far rather we sorted out the defence and goalkeepers neither Brown nor Hamer really fill me with confidence though I guess Hamer will improve with age, and the defence is about as effective as a chocolate teapot. Lets not get carried away here we have missed Matty but this is a team that has at most 4 clean sheets this season with or without him.

I think a major change is required in the defence and also whilst we miss Kev he is not the worlds greatest holding midfielder as, when the going has been tough in the past he is one of the first to crumble!! Que abuse but please look back at last year and the Butcher days, if you were in the trenches would kevin be your choice of partner??

My concern is that we have heard Scotty do the big talk however the loanee players he has brought in have been of varied ability and use and I have worries over the calibre of player he will be able to get or beleives we need.
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I agree with almost all and last year was very hacked off at O'Connors poor form although his bereavement may have had a part to play.

This season, I also thought he started poorly but once he slotted into the midfield holding role with Heywood behind him and Smith in front, he IMHO, brought out the best in everyone around him. He sat and protected the back four, released the players in front to push on and also covered for Poole he went AWOL. He and Heywood may not be worldbeaters but this season, given the number of loanees, youngsters and new league players, their experience is invaluable to us. It's no co incidence that our abysmal recent form has been when one or both of them have been absent.
 

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I think that it must be remembered that not every transfer will be a success, in fact more often they will be no better and probably worse than what you have or had. Not just BFC but most clubs. No more than 1 in 4 are remebered fondly, so expectations on signings are always far higher than reality.
The skill i sgetting an average squad play above themselves. Balance, hardwork, team spirit and quite a bit if luck helps. Just have a look at recent sides promoted from all divisons and you won't find the best players in the division in many of them.
 

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tomisabee said:
Me and you think alike
that is exactly what i said in my previous post
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Possibly although your team suggestion of:

----------------Hamer----------------
---Oyebanjo--Bennett--Dark--Charles---
-Reid--------KOC-----Moose-------Dickson---
----------Connell-----Dizuka--------------

Has too many changes at once fro my liking and I'm not too sure why you have Dark in the centre?

The principles are similar though.

Nothing left to play for really except next season so trying things/players/formations etc could be likely
 

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super_bees said:
Why would he, all you ever chat is sh*t :confused:
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May be sh*t to some people, such as you. But some people would see my creative views as good.
Id love to be the manager for one day, id pick a wicked team
 

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tomisabee said:
May be sh*t to some people, such as you. But some people would see my creative views as good.
Id love to be the manager for one day, id pick a wicked team
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rofl If your ever manager I will laugh for hours mate rofl
 

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Here's a suggestion - tomisabee and super bees as joint managers - what a combination that would be from your postings.There would never be a dull moment,that's for sure!:D
 

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DavidgRushden said:
Here's a suggestion - tomisabee and super bees as joint managers - what a combination that would be from your postings.There would never be a dull moment,that's for sure!:D
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I like the sound of this, as long as i get to pick the team
 

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OK, now me and Super_Bees are joint manager, i would like to make my first signing which is SmiffyBee as Assitant Manager. Thanks.
 

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:(, i havent even had a chance to be incharge or one game yet, i would of beat Wrexham.
 

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tomisabee said:
my first signing which is SmiffyBee as Assitant Manager. Thanks.
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:(

thats bad news then for BFC because Osborne will be given a 10 year contract on SmiffyBee's recommendation .. :(

Plus we'd be losing 5-0 each game because of your odd decisions on picking weird team set ups...........................
 

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Well at least you would have lasted a few minutes more than MA did at Leicester, so you will have to be grateful for that, only in your case there will be no compensation package.:jester:
 

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tomisabee said:
OK, now me and Super_Bees are joint manager, i would like to make my first signing which is SmiffyBee as Assitant Manager. Thanks.
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Player Coach :sorted:

Have some of that super_bees :thumbs:
 
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