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2012 Olympics

Surely London cannot be the favourite to host the Olympics? With a crumbling transport infrastructure & a silly logo, I could'nt think of a worse venue.



Bookmakers William Hill have slashed the odds on London winning the 2012 Olympic Games following the glittering bid launch event at the Royal Opera House. London is now the 6/4 favourite, ahead of Paris, Madrid and New York.

William Hill make Paris 7/4 second favourite and offer 11/2 on Madrid, 9/1 on New York and 10/1 on Rio. Leipzig and Moscow odds now stand at 16/1, and Havana and Istanbul remain at 50/1.

Wembley, Wimbledon, Lord's and a brand new Olympic Park were unveiled today as the leading venues for London's 2012 Olympics bid.

Under the plans, tourist landmarks in the capital would be transformed with competitors descending on Hyde Park for the triathlon and road cycling events, Horse Guards Parade for beach volleyball and Regent's Park for baseball and softball.

The delayed new Wembley Stadium would host both the men's and women's football finals, while tennis matches would be held at Wimbledon if London is successful in achieving its Olympic dream.

Lord's - the home of cricket - could swap bats for bows with archery events planned to take place in the world famous ground in St John's Wood, north London.

Football matches in earlier rounds would be played across the country at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium, Glasgow's Hampden Park, Windsor Park in Belfast, Manchester's Old Trafford, Newcastle's St James' Park and Villa Park in Birmingham.

Brand new facilities will be built in the Olympic Park in east London as part of futuristic plans to regenerate the rundown area.

The main site in the Lower Lea Valley will boast a state of the art 80,000-seater stadium for athletics and the opening and closing ceremonies.

Nearby will be an aquatic centre for swimming and diving events and a velodrome for track cycling.

Visitors would move from venue to venue within the Park along wide, sweeping pedestrian walkways.

The site would also contain an Olympic village where competitors would stay, a BMX track, a hockey stadium and a multi-sport complex for basketball, handball, volleyball and modern pentathlon events.

The ill-fated Millennium Dome would be used for artistic gymnastics, trampolining, basketball and handball finals, while Greenwich Park would host the equestrian, modern pentathlon riding and running events.

Alexandra Palace in north London would be used for fencing competitions.

Outside of London, the Eton College Rowing Centre at Dorney Lake near Windsor, has been selected as the venue for rowing and flatwater canoeing, while shooting would take place at Bisley in Surrey and mountain biking in Swinley Forest, Berkshire.

Sailing would be hosted at Weymouth-Portland.

The details form the core of London's proposals submitted to the International Olympic Committee this week.

Bid leader Barbara Cassani launched the blueprint at a ceremony at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden in London today in front of Prime Minister Tony Blair.

"The London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games will enhance sport in London and the UK forever," she said.

"Our people, especially the young, will benefit from new facilities. Our next generation of athletes will be better equipped to develop into future Olympians.

"Our Games will deliver the best for athletes. A compact Olympic Park with easy access from living quarters to competition venues.

"Competitors will be inspired to deliver personal best performances against the backdrop of London's world-famous landmarks.

"Let's take this opportunity to make a leap for UK sport, a leap for the Olympic Movement and a leap for London."

Organisers are keen to stress that their plans for the Olympic Park offer the most compact venue ever proposed to the IOC with many of the 28 sports within 15 minutes of the athletes' village, and only a seven-minute train ride from central London.

IOC president Jacques Rogge has said the scale of the Games recently has threatened to spiral out of control and needs to slim down.

A spokesman added: "We will deliver excellence without extravagance. London 2012 is committed to ensuring that no venues are built without a clear plan for their post-Olympic use. There will be no white elephants at the London Olympics."

Yesterday was the IOC's deadline for all the bidding cities to complete a detailed questionnaire on their vision for the Games, including the infrastructure, security and support for their proposals.

The questionnaire forms the basis on which the IOC decides who goes forward to the next stage when they make an announcement on May 18.

As the bidding race begins in earnest, Paris, which has many facilities in place, remains ahead of London from the nine rival cities as the bookmakers' favourite.

Ladbrokes have Paris at 11/8 to win the Games, London at 5/2, Madrid at 6/1, New York at 8/1, Rio at 8/1, Moscow at 16/1, Leipzig at 25/1, Istanbul at 33/1 and Havana at 100/1
 

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I'll reply Shaun ,even if it appears no one else likes you ;)

Complete waste of money.How much are we going to chuck at this? The money could be so better used in other areas.Like on more police,better transport, and more people to chuck out asylum seekers .
 

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I think they should add Griffin Park to the list for the shooting competition with pictures of RN as the targets.:horns:
 

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MissMarpledidit said:
I think they should add Griffin Park to the list for the shooting competition with pictures of RN as the targets.:horns:

:nono: :nono: :nono:

I think they should add Griffin Park to the list for the shooting competition with RN as the target.:horns:

:yes: :yes: :yes:
 

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Is BMXing an olympic sport. If that is why not conkers and pokemon card swopping?
 

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Bigbee said:
I'll reply Shaun ,even if it appears no one else likes you ;)

Complete waste of money.How much are we going to chuck at this? The money could be so better used in other areas.Like on more police,better transport, and more people to chuck out asylum seekers .

Thanks very much Bigbee - I was thinking of replying to myself.
 

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Paris deserves it more. The London bid is primarily dependent on spending our money to regenerate the run down areas for the bid. How much more money is going to be thrown at the East end? Docklands, the railway, Canary Wharf, the Dome, and now the buggers want to build the whole Olympic venue there. Give a bit to us - our area isn't exactly overflowing in wealth either.

Even if no events are provisionally planned, a 21,000 all-seater stadium in Kew can only strengthen London's bid rather than harm it. At least Ken Livingstone appears to see the value of this now.
 

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The city the is selected to host the Olympics will be the one that deserves it.
 

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Jimbee said:
The city the is selected to host the Olympics will be the one that deserves it.

erm, like Atlanta?:confused:

If only it were that simple.
 

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Give a bit to us - our area isn't exactly overflowing in wealth either.

West London is affluent compared to East London, and there are lots of very wealthy areas like Richmond. I'm sure some of the income generated would flow into West London from the presence of Crossrail and Heathrow. If Crossrail were built areas like Hanwell, Southall and Hayes would probably become wealthier as people moved in to take advantage of the easy rail access to London. Even in Ealing prices are meant to rise because there will be a stopping Heathrow express service soon. Also if the Crossrail branch goes further than Richmond it could regenerate areas like Feltham.

I think London should get it primarily as I will have finished my degree by then and I could get a job in something to do with it that earned lots of money and I could divert cash to Brentford FC :D
 

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CJC said:
West London is affluent compared to East London, and there are lots of very wealthy areas like Richmond. I'm sure some of the income generated would flow into West London from the presence of Crossrail and Heathrow. If Crossrail were built areas like Hanwell, Southall and Hayes would probably become wealthier as people moved in to take advantage of the easy rail access to London. Even in Ealing prices are meant to rise because there will be a stopping Heathrow express service soon. Also if the Crossrail branch goes further than Richmond it could regenerate areas like Feltham.

I think London should get it primarily as I will have finished my degree by then and I could get a job in something to do with it that earned lots of money and I could divert cash to Brentford FC :D

The one rather major flaw with that argument is that they have said Crossrail certainly won't be ready for the Olympics and to be honest I'm not sure it will ever happen - it's obviously a much bigger priority for the government to send cash to the provinces rather than spend a little on getting the area of the country which generates the largest amount of the wealth to have a modern transport system.
 

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I for one have no interest in London winning the Olympic bid in 2012 (not that I think it will).

I would much rather the government, corporations & any other body with available financing channel their energies & resources into transport, health & generally improving the quality of life in the UK.

Is there anyone on the GPG who really cares if we win the Olympics?
 

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shaun said:
I for one have no interest in London winning the Olympic bid in 2012 (not that I think it will).

I would much rather the government, corporations & any other body with available financing channel their energies & resources into transport, health & generally improving the quality of life in the UK.

Is there anyone on the GPG who really cares if we win the Olympics?

Yes, I care, but for the same reasons you don't. The sporting aspect of the Olympics doesn't really appeal to me ( I've often wondered why, say, judo or three day eventing should be inherently more interesting during the Olympics than the other 3 years 50 weeks when everybody ignores them) but sadly I cannot see the present Government pumping substantial public funds into large scale infrastructure projects without the impetus of the Olympic nomination. Its not an original comparison I know, but look at Barcelona for the regenerative effects.
 

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Is there anyone on the GPG who really cares if we win the Olympics?

:yes:

I can't wait. I couldn't care less if it cost 20bn. These events are once in a lifetime. :)

The regneration to Stratford and surrounding areas would never have happened otherwise. East London is a dump mostly and needs money thrown at.
 

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The regneration to Stratford and surrounding areas would never have happened otherwise. East London is a dump mostly and needs money thrown at.

:imwith: Part of the budget is £1.7bn allocated for regeneration, money that would have had to have been found anyway so it seems a good idea to try and recover some of the money through sponsorship, ticketing, TV etc.

As for the emotional bit about wanting the games, who wouldn't. :shrug:
 

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There will be no legacy left after the games.

East London will be regenerated but it will still be full of arsewipe chavs.

It will be used in 2012, cost over well over the £9.35 billion (It wouldn't suprise me if the final figure is double that) and then left to rot.
 

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.........absolute waste of money,when will these people ever learn??............
 

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.........absolute waste of money,when will these people ever learn??............


Would you say the same if it were the Football World Cup?

Be proud its coming to London..:sorted:
 

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Very pleased we've got the olympics and I'm sure it will be fantastic.

Unfortunately I can see all the chavs and immigrants in that scumhole part of London reaping the benefits.

Shut the doors (we're full) and stop the lowlife breeding somehow.
 

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A waste of time and money,east london will always be a dump no matter how much cash is ploughed in to it.

Yeah great support an event where cheating is rife and and we might as well re-name it the Polympics as they are the fu*ckers coming over here and nicking the jobs to build it.

Yet more great planning by BLIAR and his brigade building it with their budget.An absolute shambles on the horizon :sad:

Oh and who will pay for this mess,yes you and me on are council tax no doubt.An absolute disgrace :nono:

Wake up guys and smell the coffee :rolleyes:
 

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Two years to go now.

The greatest sporting show on Earth or a big fat boring waste of money?
 

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Nobody will be complaining when it gets under way. Can't wait!
 

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Nobody will be complaining when it gets under way. Can't wait!

I'm looking forward to taking the kids to some of the events, just can't decide which ones.
 

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like the Millenium Dome, i think the London Olympics is a real indicator of whether people are glass half full or glass half empty types (much as that is a sh*t phrase!) - people who just blindly like to whinge about everything or people who like to blindly dream a little. hope this helps.
 

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So whats going to happen with the olympic stadium? when we won the bid it was on the proviso the stadium remained capable of holdings athletics and nurture future talent so how can they possibly give it to Spurs when they know full well they will knock it down? not sure what WH fans feel about having a running track around the pitch, I for one would hate it
 

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So whats going to happen with the olympic stadium? when we won the bid it was on the proviso the stadium remained capable of holdings athletics and nurture future talent so how can they possibly give it to Spurs when they know full well they will knock it down? not sure what WH fans feel about having a running track around the pitch, I for one would hate it

Cannot see spurs getting it now they said they would get the bulldozers out.West ham have said yes to everything that the commitee wants to hear despite fans saying we wanna stay in the Boleyn Ground.Its not designed for football at all,its design is for athletics and to be reduced to 25,000 capacity.Should suit west ham in the championship or Orient in L1 or 2.The problem is that none of these options were mooted around at the time of the bid,rightly or wrongly,unlike the plans for the Commonwealth Stadium in Manchester.Wembley used to have a dog track around the pitch and we wern,t to worried about that.I suppose its what you get used to.
 

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The sightlines are fine for football at Berlin's Olympic stadium as long as you are on the side. Not good behind the goals though.

In general I don't like the use of athletics stadiums for football and fear for West Ham if they get the nod since so much of the club's core identity is based on the tight enclosed atmosphere at Upton Park. A half full athletic stadium will probably be rather soulless (as Espanyol discovered). On the other hand there is a need to provide a meaningful athletics legacy and the concept of Spurs uprooting to East London is a nonsense; one further step on the road to franchising as legitimised by those charmers in Buckinghamshire. On balance I would prefer West Ham get it since at least that would mean that the East London footballing eco system, and particularly Orient, won't be disturbed by the entrance of Spurs.

Its a strange competition though when the prize will destroy the soul of the winner :shrug:
 

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as intersting as the royal wedding!
 

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Cannot see spurs getting it now they said they would get the bulldozers out.West ham have said yes to everything that the commitee wants to hear despite fans saying we wanna stay in the Boleyn Ground.Its not designed for football at all,its design is for athletics and to be reduced to 25,000 capacity.Should suit west ham in the championship or Orient in L1 or 2.The problem is that none of these options were mooted around at the time of the bid,rightly or wrongly,unlike the plans for the Commonwealth Stadium in Manchester.Wembley used to have a dog track around the pitch and we wern,t to worried about that.I suppose its what you get used to.

Spurs have said they would redevelop Crystal Palace, and now CPFC are joining in and looking to move to the renovated Athletics area. IAAF Chief Diack is against it but Pele and Jimmy Greaves seem to be for it.
 

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What's behind Spurs bid is the realisation that their development of White Hart lane is far from a realistic proposition (which might come as news to some Spurs fans who have been sold this vision), their bid smacks of desperation just as the idea of throwing £20m at Crystal Palace athletics track which will somehow develop a 14k limited three sided stadium into a modern 20k+ stadium

There can only be one winner and that is West Ham, I don't envy them moving into an athletics stadium but with a bit of nous they could make it work.

Not sure where all this leaves Orient though
 

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What's behind Spurs bid is the realisation that their development of White Hart lane is far from a realistic proposition (which might come as news to some Spurs fans who have been sold this vision), their bid smacks of desperation just as the idea of throwing £20m at Crystal Palace athletics track which will somehow develop a 14k limited three sided stadium into a modern 20k+ stadium

There can only be one winner and that is West Ham, I don't envy them moving into an athletics stadium but with a bit of nous they could make it work.

Not sure where all this leaves Orient though


Grave implications to the future of the club, according to this statement.

http://www.leytonorient.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10439~2273878,00.html
 

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Grave implications to the future of the club, according to this statement.

http://www.leytonorient.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10439~2273878,00.html
It all seems a lose lose lose situation. If Spurs go there the whole legacy has gone and if West Ham move they won't have a proper football stadium and either way Orient are screwed. Sounds like the majority of Spurs and WH fans don't want to move anyway...is it really going to be that much of a waste to have the stadium used only for athletics every now and again?
 

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good luck to Orient, I'd love to see whoevers wins the bid to move into the stadium have that blocked by a court order, we all know nobody cares about lower league clubs apart from the fans.
 
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they aren't going to be able to stop West Ham moving there as it will adversely effect them

as LOFC say in their article, there is a clause in the Football League and Premier League constitution which specifically caters for this. so it seems they are going to be able to stop it. wait, sorry, they should be able to stop it, but they're too small and irrelevant to be given a second thought :sad:
 

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The decision due for Friday is postponed until those responsible for the final decision can decide how to give the stadium to Spurs without starting World War 3. :rolleyes:
 
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