Adam Johnson

Adam · 5 Mar 2016

Bigbee said:
The girl in question is hardly a child and looks 38 years old.She knew what she was doing. The sex gangs/rapists/paeodos/pimps ( like the ones just sentenced) get far less media attention and are scum beyond words . He was stupid and doesnt deserve all this sh*t imho. My daughter was 15 once too ,for those dads out there.

I see what you are saying, but he knew her age and knew it was illegal. Comparisons to Saville are unfair perhaps, maybe a better compassion would be the worlds best loved paedo Elvis Presley.

hanworthbee · 5 Mar 2016

Bigbee said:
The girl in question is hardly a child and looks 38 years old.She knew what she was doing. The sex gangs/rapists/paeodos/pimps ( like the ones just sentenced) get far less media attention and are scum beyond words . He was stupid and doesnt deserve all this sh*t imho. My daughter was 15 once too ,for those dads out there.

they got huge sentences which reflected their crimes, Johnson will get far less but a child is a child...maybe if he was 18/19 it would be different but he knew what he was doing and if he didn't know it was illegal he's obviously thick but he's definitely weird....

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

Bigbee said:
The girl in question is hardly a child and looks 38 years old.She knew what she was doing.

Judio1999 · 5 Mar 2016

How can she look 38 to you when the court has not revealed who she is ???

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

davebee said:
I find that there is far too much hysteria within the media and the public at large and this does little to solve society's problems. However distasteful some may find it, there IS a grey area between childhood and adulthood and naive (dare I say vulnerable?) adults in general can put themselves in very difficult situations in the eye of the law. This is not discussed openly as it is seen to be accepting paedophilia, when in fact there is a subtle difference to the argument and debate.

not really sure what prompted all that you wrote (i'm certainly with you on media hysteria in general though), but as with WisBee (I held my tongue), I'm not really sure that a wider discussion is necessarily needed in reaction to this specific crime.

i think you have some facts wrong. but in any case, the simple fact of the matter is that famous people should not have any notion that they can "capitalise" on their status by taking advantage of young girls.

the dispute around Sunderland, which the BBC (the only news i read really) seems to be pushing disproportionately, seems to be simply that their CEO had plenty of info on the case and knew the likely outcome, even though the official line was a clear and obvious "innocent until proven guilty" - we can't go suspending everyone on anything they're accused of until there's a trial, that would be OTT and leave itself open to abuse too (what would stop Man Utd from getting a young girl to say that Liverpool's star play molested her, etc...). If the CEO knew where this was all heading though, it does seem as though she handled it poorly and probably has to go. All the chatter so far though seems to have been that one person sat on the info, rather than a conspiracy throughout the club.

WisBee · 5 Mar 2016

Mr Tree said:
not really sure what prompted all that you wrote (i'm certainly with you on media hysteria in general though), but as with WisBee (I held my tongue), I'm not really sure that a wider discussion is necessarily needed in reaction to this specific crime.

i think you have some facts wrong. but in any case, the simple fact of the matter is that famous people should not have any notion that they can "capitalise" on their status by taking advantage of young girls.

the dispute around Sunderland, which the BBC (the only news i read really) seems to be pushing disproportionately, seems to be simply that their CEO had plenty of info on the case and knew the likely outcome, even though the official line was a clear and obvious "innocent until proven guilty" - we can't go suspending everyone on anything they're accused of until there's a trial, that would be OTT[/COLOR] and leave itself open to abuse too (what would stop Man Utd from getting a young girl to say that Liverpool's star play molested her, etc...). If the CEO knew where this was all heading though, it does seem as though she handled it poorly and probably has to go. All the chatter so far though seems to have been that one person sat on the info, rather than a conspiracy throughout the club.

............................not sure what you meant by that sly dig (in red) - I notice however that you have singularly failed to respond to my post 87 on this thread, but I tend to think that you can't answer it (but that is just my opinion, equally as valid as yours', whatever you may think).......................

......................re the bit I've put in green, it would appear that I had been left out to 'hang and dry' until some other, (perhaps) less controversial GPG members came out with views not too dissimilar to those I had put forward on here..............................

grutter · 5 Mar 2016

She knew what she was doing, I'm sure, but so did he. It's not like other cases where teenagers have pretended they're 19 throughout. The issue I have with this one (and his expected custodial sentence) is there is no consistency between men and women. There have been cases where women (including female teachers) have taken advantage of boys under 16. Again, often both parties are normally consenting. However, the punishments handed down to women in this position have been far more lenient than the men. I expect Johnson to get hammered for this, but look out in the media for the next case of a woman doing the same thing; then compare & contrast.

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
............................not sure what you meant by that sly dig (in red) - I notice however that you have singularly failed to respond to my post 87 on this thread, but I tend to think that you can't answer it (but that is just my opinion, equally as valid as yours', whatever you may think).......................

......................re the bit I've put in green, it would appear that I had been left out to 'hang and dry' until some other, (perhaps) less controversial GPG members came out with views not too dissimilar to those I had put forward on here..............................

you're off your rocker

i explained exactly what i meant, and it's not a sly dig. it's a specific case, but people have tried to open the debate up to talk about all 15 year old girls or whatever whatever. just don't see why, whatsoever - what on earth is the point that these people are trying to make?

and why would i respond to post 87? nothing to do with me

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

grutter said:
She knew what she was doing, I'm sure, but so did he. It's not like other cases where teenagers have pretended they're 19 throughout. The issue I have with this one (and his expected custodial sentence) is there is no consistency between men and women. There have been cases where women (including female teachers) have taken advantage of boys under 16. Again, often both parties are normally consenting. However, the punishments handed down to women in this position have been far more lenient than the men. I expect Johnson to get hammered for this, but look out in the media for the next case of a woman doing the same thing; then compare & contrast.

do you have an example?

grutter · 5 Mar 2016

Mr Tree said:
do you have an example?

I'll be honest, I remember reading about 4/5 cases over the past 10 years or so, but couldn't quote a specific example...so I googled. Here's a very recent one:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

Edit : Just noticed her suspended sentence was overturned, and she got 2 years. Mind you, this was was quite extreme and far worse than Johnson. She won't serve a full term anyway.

Here's another one - woman and girl this time. Suspended sentence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-28760459

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

grutter said:
I'll be honest, I remember reading about 4/5 cases over the past 10 years or so, but couldn't quote a specific example...so I googled. Here's a very recent one:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

fair enough. wonder what the justification was (from the judge). personally, i would think there is a clear difference and not necessarily a need for the sentencing to be consistent - but i can appreciate where you're coming from.

Gee Bee · 5 Mar 2016

Bigbee said:
The girl in question is hardly a child and looks 38 years old.She knew what she was doing. The sex gangs/rapists/paeodos/pimps ( like the ones just sentenced) get far less media attention and are scum beyond words . He was stupid and doesnt deserve all this sh*t imho. My daughter was 15 once too ,for those dads out there.

He met her on one occasion when in her school uniform what she looked like is not relevant he knew she was a school kid. Just because they make look older they do not have adult brains. The media attention is because who he is and if you put yourself out there for attention, which he did, then surely he deserves what comes with it.

WisBee · 5 Mar 2016

Mr Tree said:
you're off your rocker

i explained exactly what i meant, and it's not a sly dig. it's a specific case, but people have tried to open the debate up to talk about all 15 year old girls or whatever whatever. just don't see why, whatsoever - what on earth is the point that these people are trying to make?

and why would i respond to post 87? nothing to do with me

..................................Post 87 was in response to your post 86, in which you used exactly the same words as I had in post 65.........................HTH (assuming that you are not off your head, of course - I'm 'holding my tongue' here, you understand?).....................

just another thought, a girl doesn't have to be a schoolgirl to dress up in school uniform

davebee · 5 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
..................................Post 87 was in response to your post 86, in which you used exactly the same words as I had in post 65.........................HTH (assuming that you are not off your head, of course - I'm 'holding my tongue' here, you understand?).....................

just another thought, a girl doesn't have to be a schoolgirl to dress up in school uniform

Moot point but some 6th Form Colleges (those linked to schools) require uniform until leaving at the age of 18. What someone is/was wearing is completely irrelevant.

WisBee · 5 Mar 2016

davebee said:
Moot point but some 6th Form Colleges (those linked to schools) require uniform until leaving at the age of 18. What someone is/was wearing is completely irrelevant.

..........................did you make that comment when others were saying things like "FFS, she was wearing school uniform"?...........................

davebee · 5 Mar 2016

nick logan said:
As a father of a 15 year old girl , i have no sympathy.

Without wanting to sound factitious and make it personal towards you, what if she hooked up with a 28year old on her 16th birthday. Is that then acceptable?
What if a 19 yr old hooks up with a 60 yr old, is that acceptable?
I do think this is a complex issue and it also extends beyond the age of 16 imho.

BUT, as Tree says, this is a specific case and I am probably guilty of using this as a vehicle to open a wider debate. If this is considered insensitive or inappropriate then I am quite happy to back off. I do think there is a reluctance to discuss this as it far easier to say Adam Johnson is a paedo/ ****/ weirdo than understand the mechanism that leads to these situations arising again in the future. e.g. should professional footballers be given sex education classes to help make them aware that they are likely to be idolised by children and ensure they understand what constitutes appropriate behaviour and conduct?

JBN · 5 Mar 2016

beesbees_bfc said:
Not you specifically JBN, I have no idea of your wider opinions but it always interests me how the media and in turn the public react in completely different ways and to different proportions to celebrities who've committed crimes:

Ched Evans commits a crime, does his sentence but when he potentially tried to resume his previous career there is media and therefore public outcry, petitions and endless people with an opinion on TV and radio trying to stop him ever playing again.

On the other hand, Boy George, also convicted and imprisoned for a sex crime is welcomed back with open arms to a prime time, BBC programme. The media, far from preventing it, invite him to interviews and do magazine spreads. The public in turn has zero issue with this guy getting huge exposure to young people and being seen as a role model.

I'm not suggesting which, or if either, is right or wrong, just find the contrast interesting.

The BBC do have a bit of a track record of employing sexual dodge pots.

Evans has only served part of his sentence. If there is new evidence that proves he is not a rapist, then so be it, he is still a fecking lowlife for what happened that night.

Mr Tree · 5 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
..................................Post 87 was in response to your post 86, in which you used exactly the same words as I had in post 65.........................HTH (assuming that you are not off your head, of course - I'm 'holding my tongue' here, you understand?).....................

just another thought, a girl doesn't have to be a schoolgirl to dress up in school uniform

the crucial point you're missing here is...... i didn't write post 86

W_L · 6 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
......................there's your answer W_L...........................

Not really. I'm nearly 29 and there's no way I could spend any time with a 15 year old and not realise they're a kid no matter how old they apparently looked.

W_L · 6 Mar 2016

So many nonce apologists

Nada Bee · 6 Mar 2016

davebee said:
Without wanting to sound factitious and make it personal towards you, what if she hooked up with a 28year old on her 16th birthday. Is that then acceptable?
What if a 19 yr old hooks up with a 60 yr old, is that acceptable?
I do think this is a complex issue and it also extends beyond the age of 16 imho.

BUT, as Tree says, this is a specific case and I am probably guilty of using this as a vehicle to open a wider debate. If this is considered insensitive or inappropriate then I am quite happy to back off. I do think there is a reluctance to discuss this as it far easier to say Adam Johnson is a paedo/ ****/ weirdo than understand the mechanism that leads to these situations arising again in the future. e.g. should professional footballers be given sex education classes to help make them aware that they are likely to be idolised by children and ensure they understand what constitutes appropriate behaviour and conduct?

If my 16 y/o daughter started going with a 28 year old i'd have some serious questions for him. What if your mate started going out with a 16 year old? Who couldnt even get in a pub? Wouldnt you find that weird?

wibs · 6 Mar 2016

About ten years ago someone I know had a 16 year old daughter who started going out with a 32 year old man. We all spoke to them at varioustimes both trying to tell them it is just not on, for many reasons, and they refused to listen, coming up with the usual "we are meant to be wirh each other" nonsense. Her Dad was so angry about it and bssically embarrassed.

They are expecting their second child later this year. Funny old world.

davebee · 6 Mar 2016

Nada Bee said:
If my 16 y/o daughter started going with a 28 year old i'd have some serious questions for him. What if your mate started going out with a 16 year old? Who couldnt even get in a pub? Wouldnt you find that weird?

Damn right I'd find it weird and wrong. And yet it would be entirely legal in the eye of the law. Compare that with a 16 y/o getting with a 15 y/o - easy to see how two kids in the same class could get down and dirty yet a criminal offence has been committed.....

Hence the need for a proper debate about ensuring young/vulnerable people are protected by the law.

To make things perfectly clear I have no sympathy for Adam Johnson as the situation is entirely of his own making. I also think Sunderland were in a no-win position so far as whether they should have suspended him immediately. And even if he was suspended he would be entitled to get paid....

nick logan · 7 Mar 2016

davebee said:
Without wanting to sound factitious and make it personal towards you, what if she hooked up with a 28year old on her 16th birthday. Is that then acceptable?
What if a 19 yr old hooks up with a 60 yr old, is that acceptable?
I do think this is a complex issue and it also extends beyond the age of 16 imho.

BUT, as Tree says, this is a specific case and I am probably guilty of using this as a vehicle to open a wider debate. If this is considered insensitive or inappropriate then I am quite happy to back off. I do think there is a reluctance to discuss this as it far easier to say Adam Johnson is a paedo/ ****/ weirdo than understand the mechanism that leads to these situations arising again in the future. e.g. should professional footballers be given sex education classes to help make them aware that they are likely to be idolised by children and ensure they understand what constitutes appropriate behaviour and conduct?

No its not acceptable , why would any normal 28 year old want to be with a 16 year old ?

the key point in all this is he knew her age. Knew that she was " just 15 " when they first met. This didn't stop him .

Thats it in a nutshell.

wanderer paul · 7 Mar 2016

nick logan said:
No its not acceptable , why would any normal 28 year old want to be with a 16 year old ?

the key point in all this is he knew her age. Knew that she was " just 15 " when they first met. This didn't stop him .

Thats it in a nutshell.

Wasn't she just 14 when the two first met? I'm sure I read that. A young girl wanting a picture and an autograph etc?

nick logan · 7 Mar 2016

wanderer paul said:
Wasn't she just 14 when the two first met? I'm sure I read that. A young girl wanting a picture and an autograph etc?

Just 15 when she got in his car iirc the wrongun

westwing · 7 Mar 2016

sonofabee said:
That mate sums it up and as the father to 21 year old and 14 year old daughters couldn't agree more,.
My 14 year old is still an impressionable kid while believing that she is the same as her big sister as similar height and same taste in music and clothes!

I do worry about some peoples views on this subject mate.
It was only the other week when me and a couple of mates were chatting on the issue during
the Wolves game when a Brentford fan interrupted and blurted out "She deserved it."
Made it worse as we were in the f'kin family block !!
We do have a major problem in the UK, many men think 13 to 15 year olds are fair game.
Play with fire and you'll get burnt !
As dads, we have to protect our kids.

Mr Tree · 8 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
..................................Post 87 was in response to your post 86, in which you used exactly the same words as I had in post 65.........................HTH (assuming that you are not off your head, of course - I'm 'holding my tongue' here, you understand?).....................

Mr Tree said:
the crucial point you're missing here is...... i didn't write post 86

lol stay classy WisBee :fishing:

Gee Bee · 8 Mar 2016

Sunderland CEO has now resigned. So must of admitted knowing more and letting him play longer.

Judio1999 · 8 Mar 2016

Sunderland FC's chief executive Margaret Byrne has resigned in the wake of the Adam Johnson child abuse case, saying her part in the decision to allow Johnson to continue playing for the club while he faced charges was a "serious mistake".

TW3Bee · 8 Mar 2016

http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...justice-for-johnson-facebook?CMP=share_btn_tw

Mr Tree · 8 Mar 2016

TW3Bee said:
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...justice-for-johnson-facebook?CMP=share_btn_tw

i suppose it's supporting your family, but delusional or what?!

hanworthbee · 8 Mar 2016

wonder what grounds she's baseing this justice appeal on...

Banana · 8 Mar 2016

Mr Tree said:
i suppose it's supporting your family, but delusional or what?!

He's getting justice at his sentencing. Good of her to support it.

Billy Hunt · 8 Mar 2016

hanworthbee said:
wonder what grounds she's basing this justice appeal on...

Her own insanity? :shrug:

Then again, the article states that over 1000 people had 'liked' :yuck: her page, so what do I know... :grey:

hanworthbee · 24 Mar 2016

jailed for 6 years

wanderer paul · 24 Mar 2016

Good. Nasty piece of work. The campaign to back him and to get his criminal record rescinded, for one charge, is sickening. It doesn't matter what the girl looked like, she was under age. Hope he rots and has the worst six years of his privileged life so far.

hatfieldbee · 24 Mar 2016

wanderer paul said:
Good. Nasty piece of work. The campaign to back him and to get his criminal record rescinded, for one charge, is sickening. It doesn't matter what the girl looked like, she was under age. Hope he rots and has the worst six years of his privileged life so far.

Probably will only be inside for 3 years, regrettably.

WisBee · 24 Mar 2016

nick logan said:
Just 15 when she got in his car iirc the wrongun

.........................I thought it was a Shogun...........................

.......................but seriously, I heard on the BBC that he was appealing the conviction (this, before his sentencing) - how can he do that when he pleaded guilty to at least one of the charges?................................:worldgonemad:smiley

BeeHomeSoon · 24 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
.........................I thought it was a Shogun...........................

.......................but seriously, I heard on the BBC that he was appealing the conviction (this, before his sentencing) - how can he do that when he pleaded guilty to at least one of the charges?................................:worldgonemad:smiley

I have seen this case banded about on Facebook a bit and the sentencing involved, with regards to Adam Johnsons...http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

However I think she should be taken back to court and given a sentence in line with Adam Johnson's, not that he should be seeking a similar punishment to her.

opinions5u · 24 Mar 2016

2019/20 season. Might be out before the March cut off.

Billy Hunt · 24 Mar 2016

opinions5u said:
2019/20 season. Might be out before the March cut off.

Is that from the official OAFC site?

westwing · 24 Mar 2016

He can now join all the other nonses that have been banged up !

opinions5u · 24 Mar 2016

Billy Hunt said:
Is that from the official OAFC site?

A director once said fans should try and look at things from the board's point of view.

Just making an effort ...

Ched has a big day in April too lol.

WisBee · 24 Mar 2016

BeeHomeSoon said:
.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/schoolboy-groomed-teaching-assistant-we-6536549

However I think she should be taken back to court and given a sentence in line with Adam Johnson's, not that he should be seeking a similar punishment to her.

..............................there are some very strange decisions regarding teacher/pupil sexual relations, thrown up by just that link alone...........................

Caroline Berriman gets 250 hours community service - I'd guess that that is the last thing she should have been sentenced to, given that (according to the teenager in question) they had had sex at least 50 times - well, that's one hour completed already
Marc Richardson faces being struck off the register, but escapes prosecution - that, after a final warning warning with Pupil A, he then sets about shagging Pupil B instead - couldn't make it up
Sarah Candy gets 12 months in chokey as of September 2015, but is probably out now and looking for her next target

...........................why isn't there a standard that 'The Law' can follow, much like motoring offences?....................................

Mr Tree · 24 Mar 2016

WisBee said:
...........................why isn't there a standard that 'The Law' can follow, much like motoring offences?....................................

yes, all quite odd - as much as there are righteous campaigns for equality around, i think we can all agree that a man approaching a teenage girl is a bit (only a bit) worse than a woman approaching a teenage boy - but the women should still face strong punishment...

anyway while you're here, any chance of you addressing post 168

Bigbee · 24 Mar 2016

I think the sentence is way ott ,much worse things go unpunished

abee · 24 Mar 2016

News report said:
The court heard Johnson had been stripped of his 12 England caps.

Never heard of this before......... does this mean he's removed from the record books??

hanworthbee · 24 Mar 2016

also arrested for having bestiality on his laptop but no charges brought.....

hanworthbee · 24 Mar 2016

had an STI when arrested last year

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