Bournemouth 0 - 0 Bees

[Oceanbee]

I thought the ref was quite good today, and strong and confident enough in his own view not to allow going to the monitor to persuade him to give a penalty - as happens with most referees.

Also, he is a new brigade ref with this being only his 2nd Premier League match,…..so well done.
I‘ve seen, as we all have, a lot worse performances from so called experienced PL refs!

As for the football, we’ve played better and so have Bournemouth. Two teams nullifying each other all over the pitch.
On the positive side, we looked pretty good defensively, and Baptiste seems to be developing and Damsgaard shows a lot of potential.
Thought Jensen is looking like a potential stronger influence on the game, and was involved all over the pitch.
Pontus may be out for for a while.

Not the greatest game of football, but a point is a point, and that‘s what matters!!!

As for the support level, it sounded like a home game at Griffin Park!
If you’d only been listening on the radio, it would have been hard to tell that we were away!???

 

[BFC1997]

Been thinking about this match some more.

In hindsight this kind of performance might have been expected.

- Away from home
- Decent opposition in good form set up in a low block
- Injuries to Nørgaard, Pinnock, Lewis-Potter, Canós and then Jansson mid-match.
- A much shorter window to prepare for the game with the squad because of the international break
- A number of players will have been fatigued / tired from international duty; Strakosha not involved, Hickey benched, and the likes Mbeumo not at 100% energy levels
- Ajer and Damsgaard returning to fitness not yet 100%

A scrappy game actually was probably on the cards. These are not excuses, these are all things teams have to deal with in a season. But looking back I think under similar circumstances last season it would be extremely optimistic to think we would come away with:

- A clean sheet
- 60% possession
- 4 shots on target to 1

Think about, say, Burnley away in October last season. 3-0 defeat. Could easily have gone that way had it not been for our improved strength in depth.

Frustrating not to win, yes, but positives to take.

I think the squad will be in a much better place after this too thanks to some canny management from Frank. Pinnock was not rushed in and both Ajer and Damsgaard got important minutes without over doing it. Also good to be able to give Hickey and Mbeumo partial rests rather than seeing them do another full 90 mins.

 

[sonofabee]

Think he did well. If he could get a shot off from the area he wouldn't be playing for us as that was the only thing that let him down today!

I think that’s generous, he disappears for long periods and never injects any pace when he carries the ball forward. He’s classy but a bit too much style over substance as no end product. How much higher than 10th in the Prem would he be playing if he could actually shoot ? FFS, he’s playing in the best league in the World, is it expecting too much that he occasionally shoots and hits the target or who knows scores or would he be playing for a much better side if he could do that?

 

[paul_chatha]

My first visit to the Vitality. The ground is situated in a really nice part of Bournemouth, but an absolute pain to get out of in your car after the game. I guess it was probably due to the train strike as I was stuck for ages.
The home atmosphere was really flat.
The less said about the game on the field the better.
However, I do feel Ivan needs a new partner up front as it's doing his head in playing with Mbeumo.
Happy with a point as we never do well in the first game back after an international break in recent years if the memory serves me right.

 

[BFC1997]

More observations on Bournemouth.

This is not a team that should be struggling on paper; Neto, Mepham, Senesi, Lerma, Billing, Solanke, Moore are all £££ signings and full internationals (for decent sides).

Because we were in the PL last year and they were not it’s also easy to forget their squad has vastly more experience at this level than ours does.

Its a testament to our strength that we went to their patch as favourites, dominated the ball and created more chances. We have no divine right to do this. They showed us a lot of respect setting up the way they did.

 

[mascotbee]

I feel the Pontus injury may have done Frank a favour,Pontus has been playing well and there is no way he would have been dropped but with Ajer back to full fitness he offers us more pace is a much better passer of the ball and the way he can take the ball out of defence really offers us something different going foward.

 

[Billy Hunt]

Having been to the game today, I think Bournemouth are the first club I’ve been to following Brentford in all 4 divisions. ?

Not fu**am?

 

[nocoat]

Not fu**am?

I don’t think we have played those scummers in the bottom division since before the 80s. We just missed each other in the mid / late 90s I *think*

 

[horshambees]

My first visit to the Vitality. The ground is situated in a really nice part of Bournemouth, but an absolute pain to get out of in your car after the game. I guess it was probably due to the train strike as I was stuck for ages.
The home atmosphere was really flat.
The less said about the game on the field the better.
However, I do feel Ivan needs a new partner up front as it's doing his head in playing with Mbeumo.
Happy with a point as we never do well in the first game back after an international break in recent years if the memory serves me right.

Straight out after the game with no problems.
Depends where you park I guess,but no issues here at all.

 

[horshambees]

Having been to the game today, I think Bournemouth are the first club I’ve been to following Brentford in all 4 divisions. ?

Brighton and Watford?

 

[horshambees]

I don’t think we have played those scummers in the bottom division since before the 80s. We just missed each other in the mid / late 90s I *think*

I don't think we ever played Fulham in the 4th division.
Or League 2 in New money.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

A vital point but awful game…both teams will be in battle to stay up if this was the norm ? Mee man of match by a mile ❤?? great signing….bryan dreadful and baptiste not far behind….rico class as usual ? we need to be far better at SJP or we will get ? lots to work on in training and ? for CNs return soon as we aren’t the same team without him ?

 

[Beesmeister]

Agree about the awful game - both teams looked Championship material. So many matches I feel we’re afraid to go forward. Far too many sideways and back passes. If you play with that mindset you get stuck in a rut and it’s difficult to get out of. I know TF is beyond criticism but I wonder if this mentality comes from the management. Brian should be dropped - too many bad decisions by him. I thought Ajer had a good game and made several runs down the right only to be ignored by BM who went on to lose possession yet again. I don’t understand why Ghoddos is not used more. Ivan must be very frustrated at not having good support. What a signing Mee has been!

 

[badgerbee]

Not seen much discussion about it on here, but looked like IT had his foot "clipped" (unintentionally) before scuffing his shot when he got away from the defender in the first half......??......Still a penalty though...??....
Didn't seem to complain much, so probably not, but it looked a bit odd.......

 

[Hippobee]

Agree about the awful game - both teams looked Championship material. So many matches I feel we’re afraid to go forward. Far too many sideways and back passes. If you play with that mindset you get stuck in a rut and it’s difficult to get out of. I know TF is beyond criticism but I wonder if this mentality comes from the management. Brian should be dropped - too many bad decisions by him. I thought Ajer had a good game and made several runs down the right only to be ignored by BM who went on to lose possession yet again. I don’t understand why Ghoddos is not used more. Ivan must be very frustrated at not having good support. What a signing Mee has been!

Would just counter that we have scored more goals than most so far but granted, we've looked toothless the last 2 games. I think TF is trying to make us harder to score against, as our defence has let in far too many goals. Needs to find the balance, as we look lethargic and short of pace going forward. You can see why we were desperate for Mudryk.

Norgaard a big loss and I agree Ghoddos would add something different. If KLP was fit, I think he'd have started.

 

[hanworthbee]

From what games?

Fulham away and Everton at home? I think our points are ok for this stage of the season.

Leicester Fulham Everton and yesterday that was 9 points dropped...I would have hoped for atleast 5 more points then we have

 

[gbems92]

Leicester Fulham Everton and yesterday that was 9 points dropped...I would have hoped for atleast 5 more points then we have

But wouldnt have expected us to pump man utd or leeds when they were doing okay. The big picture is we are 10th and probably about par for the course. Just need to try get into abit of rhythm and put a few results together, nothing to worry about so far though imo

 

[Bigruss]

Brighton and Watford?

I don’t think I’ve been to either in the bottom division.

 

[JasonBee]

Not seen much discussion about it on here, but looked like IT had his foot "clipped" (unintentionally) before scuffing his shot when he got away from the defender in the first half......??......Still a penalty though...??....
Didn't seem to complain much, so probably not, but it looked a bit odd.......

yeah iffy one that. Clipped by a challenge just enough to unbalance him right in front of goal to prevent a good shot. Could have been given on another day.

Also the wwf challenge that brought Toney to the ground on one of our corners. Looked at by var but no foul given. Anywhere else on the pitch and that’s a foul.

 

[badgerbee]

yeah iffy one that. Clipped by a challenge just enough to unbalance him right in front of goal to prevent a good shot. Could have been given on another day.

Also the wwf challenge that brought Toney to the ground on one of our corners. Looked at by var but no foul given. Anywhere else on the pitch and that’s a foul.

Always find it a bit strange how certain (VAR) decisions are looked at to the nth degree, both by the officials and 'pundits', but some are totally ignored........
Did the Toney 'clip' even get a mention on MotD??
Wonder what would have happened if he hadn't manage to get the shot away at all??
Goes back to the question we've asked on here on numerous occasions. Are we too 'nice/honest'?

 

[JasonBee]

Goes back to the question we've asked on here on numerous occasions. Are we too 'nice/honest'?

Definite. If that’s Jesus or Richarlson they’re going to ground with that little amount of contact and likely getting a penalty.

 

[Billy Hunt]

Definite. If that’s Jesus or Richarlson they’re going to ground with that little amount of contact and likely getting a penalty.

They also play for ‘big’ teams… ?

 

[sonofabee]

Trying to take positives out yesterday and not too many but here goes:
• We were away in the best league in the World and never looked like losing
• We didn’t play well and still looked the better side
• Ajer back and looking good getting forward
• Ben Mee is a quality defender
• Damsgaard in a couple of games will give us the attacking threat from midfield we sadly miss

On the negative side:

• The blend in midfield is still so wrong without Norgaard - Vitaly is the holding midfielder but doesn’t sit and gets pulled around the park, Shandon strolls around like a Premier player in a kids playground who has agreed not to make them look silly or score. Jensen is a luxury who plays the odd great forward, killer pass but Christ does he frustrate as well and yesterday his second half was Jekyll and Hyde
• Bryan is an enigma, causes every defence problems but how long before his finished product improves, the danger is is he rips defenders a new one and they don’t worry as he won’t deliver
• No pace or quick, slick passing in the final third - plenty of possession and side to side football across the back that allows defences to regroup and have banks of defenders behind the ball. It’s Rico or Ajer who might get forward quickly as Josh is a poor shadow of himself at the moment
• We look a bit like we did before CE in came in as far as attacking threat but better at the back

 

[jlove]

Norgaard a big loss and I agree Ghoddos would add something different. If KLP was fit, I think he'd have started.

We really miss Nørgaard! Janelt puts in a lot of effort but he's not in the same league, really. It means Jensen has to do a lot more covering which reduces his attacking contribution, too. We also expected Ghoddos to get on in the second half, if only for his energy, but thought it a certainty if we had scored, and Lewis-Potter would surely have started on the right if he'd been fit, given Mbeumo's travels.

 

[jlove]

• Ajer back and looking good getting forward

He's got to understand how to play with an inverted winger, though. So many times he went inside Mbeumo and it all got very tight when he should be staying close to the touchline to drag the full back out for Bryan to cut inside.

 

[sonofabee]

He's got to understand how to play with an inverted winger, though. So many times he went inside Mbeumo and it all got very tight when he should be staying close to the touchline to drag the full back out for Bryan to cut inside.

Agree

 

[hanworthbee]

After watching motd I think fortune definitely favoured us with the var pen decisions , had it been against us I’d have been pretty unhappy with the one from ajer and the handball at the end

 

[Sunbury Bee]

After watching motd I think fortune definitely favoured us with the var pen decisions , had it been against us I’d have been pretty unhappy with the one from ajer and the handball at the end

??? Neither were pens so don't understand this. Ajer won the ball and the handball was a complete accident by Jensen due to a miskick. Both decisions were correct.

 

[Easter 1959]

We really miss Nørgaard!

Defo; biggest single miss of the Season so far.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

??? Neither were pens so don't understand this. Ajer won the ball and the handball was a complete accident by Jensen due to a miskick. Both decisions were correct.

Both easily could have been given though…we defo got lucky for once ?

 

[hanworthbee]

??? Neither were pens so don't understand this. Ajer won the ball and the handball was a complete accident by Jensen due to a miskick. Both decisions were correct.

99/100 a var review always leads to a pen so I think we got away with that one ajer slipped and the challenge looked pretty reckless to me

 

[horshambees]

I don’t think I’ve been to either in the bottom division.

Brighton away in the "4th" was at Gillingham in 98/99.
Last time we played Watford away in the 4th 76/77 & 77/78.

 

[Bigruss]

Brighton away in the "4th" was at Gillingham in 98/99.
Last time we played Watford away in the 4th 76/77 & 77/78.

I started going regularly in 88, so definitely missed Watford. Don’t remember going to Gillingham to see Brighton game, but I had 2 kids under 5 at that time so was probably not doing many aways.

 

[horshambees]

I started going regularly in 88, so definitely missed Watford. Don’t remember going to Gillingham to see Brighton game, but I had 2 kids under 5 at that time so was probably not doing many aways.

I remember it well.
Boxing Day 1998
It passed down with rain all day and we lost 3-1.
Not many there tbh just one of those days.

 

[sonofabee]

I started going regularly in 88, so definitely missed Watford. Don’t remember going to Gillingham to see Brighton game, but I had 2 kids under 5 at that time so was probably not doing many aways.

Lightweight ????

 

[busheybee]

From early on Bournemouth seemed very determined not to lose and quickly got 11 behind the ball every time they lost it. Think this was their prime target and consequently they rarely, if ever, really went for a win. No goals in last 3 home games, no wonder their fans were so quiet.

 

[sonofabee]

From early on Bournemouth seemed very determined not to lose and quickly got 11 behind the ball every time they lost it. Think this was their prime target and consequently they rarely, if ever, really went for a win. No goals in last 3 home games, no wonder their fans were so quiet.

They don’t have the forwards to score many goals so seem to play like the away team hoping for a goal on the break or from a set piece.
Kiefer Moore and Solanke are not good enough for the Premier League so fair play to Bournemouth if they get enough points to stay up. I’d far rather see Forest, Leeds, Wolves, Everton, Southampton, Leicester or Putney drop in front of them but can’t see it over 38 games