Butcher: plan B?

[fencer/bee]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

 

[GP200]

.....far too pessimistic...............

 

[SmiffyBee]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

1 game 1 point........good prediction fencer/bee...look forward to dragging this one up, during this season....

 

[beeeehive]

I hope Butcher sticks to his guns and carries on trying to play patient football. If we stick to this it will encourage more people to watch and results will improve. We've got a very decent midfield now, the other areas should improve with time. No money = no quick fix.

 

[cheekybee74]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

FFS a draw in the league - and then we get beat by a Championship side in the Cup. Glad to see you're prepared to give the manager and the team time..

 

[GP200]

............he also rated the Carlisle manager.................

 

[LingfieldBee]

Omg how depressing seeing brentford fans being pessimistic already!!
Only played two games, and we look good going forward playing good football, all that needs to happen is to tighten up the defence, and im sure Butcher can do that!

 

[GP200]

...................Leroys thoughts also.........................

 

[Gee Bee]

We've got a very decent midfield now, the other areas should improve with time. No money = no quick fix.

We have got some decent footballers in there I agree, but the last 2 games have shown this to be the area where we get overrun and bullied. Because of this, the defence has looked weaker as opposition have time to pass around them and run at them. Also if we were that good we would have created more scoring opportunities. I'm looking forward to the option of Pead being added to the equation.

 

[fencer/bee]

Its easy to tell the quality of the players in the team, if other teams in the division would have them in there starting line up, and with the exception of MOORE, who isnt even ours ... no team would want any of them... ps i just hope theres two teams worse than us.

 

[Gee Bee]

Its easy to tell the quality of the players in the team, if other teams in the division would have them in there starting line up, and with the exception of MOORE, who isnt even ours ... no team would want any of them... ps i just hope theres two teams worse than us.

How do you know nobody else would want them when you don't know if there are two worse teams than ours?

 

[brooks]

The team's full of kids. Give them a dozen games before making stupid comments.

 

[Nick Hester]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

Nice one Mate

 

[Claire]

they havent had a chance to gel yet, and look at the type of teams we play in this division. And only 2 go down.

We will bee fine

 

[Wee Dave]

Nice one Mate

 

[McBee]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

Fencer/bee, have you been to any of the matches yet? I know the team has a few flaws, but to write the side of is a bit naive it reckon!

 

[beeeehive]

We have got some decent footballers in there I agree, but the last 2 games have shown this to be the area where we get overrun and bullied. Because of this, the defence has looked weaker as opposition have time to pass around them and run at them. Also if we were that good we would have created more scoring opportunities. I'm looking forward to the option of Pead being added to the equation.

In terms of league 2 I think Smith, Pead, Moore are fairly decent.

 

[unBEEliveable]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

was wondering when this would come up again. it was mentioned by some sydney fans when TB was appointed as our manager
However to bring it up after two games is, in a word, laughable rofl

 

[Paul O'Brien]

Hope you got a plan B ,Because this squad's got relegation written all over it

Well, so far we're unbeaten in the League and are just one place outside the playoffs...

 

[Gee Bee]

In terms of league 2 I think Smith, Pead, Moore are fairly decent.

I agree, but Smith has yet to play a major role this season and Pead hasn't played at all. We have been overrun because Moore, Poole, Tillen & Connell have looked too lightweight, even though they are decent enough footballers they are all knocked off teh ball easily and have not particularly succeeded in winning the ball back once lost.
Smith & Pead may well make us stronger in that area, but who do you leave out?
Would also point out that Pead played RB for Wallsall in the succesful campaign last season, with Dobson keeping him away from a central midfield role. Maybe he would be better at RB?

 

[fencer/bee]

MCBEE...i went to staines, hampton, and home to reading, also last night.. i supported us all through the 1970's 80' 90' and allways will...ill tell you why we will be at the bottom again this year..we have no leader on the pitch, and we dont have a player that looks like scoring goals, ill be at most home games, and a few away

 

[SmiffyBee]

MCBEE...i went to staines, hampton, and home to reading, also last night.. i supported us all through the 1970's 80' 90' and allways will...ill tell you why we will be at the bottom again this year..we have no leader on the pitch, and we dont have a player that looks like scoring goals, ill be at most home games, and a few away

seeing as you have summed up this season already for us, can you also let us know who will win the Premiership, the Championship and the Blue Square Conference South ?
They have all played one game each too......

 

[GP200]

.......Everton X2..................

 

[hasbeen]

The main area of concern is central defence where only loanee Pettigrew looks the part. His inexperience will result in lapses,but neither Mackie and certainly not Heywood inspire much confidence. Hopefully a stable partnership will emerge sooner rather than later. Things would be easier if we had fewer midgets in midfield. Apart from Mousinho the others are too easily brushed off the ball.

 

[beeeehive]

I agree, but Smith has yet to play a major role this season and Pead hasn't played at all. We have been overrun because Moore, Poole, Tillen & Connell have looked too lightweight, even though they are decent enough footballers they are all knocked off teh ball easily and have not particularly succeeded in winning the ball back once lost.
Smith & Pead may well make us stronger in that area, but who do you leave out?
Would also point out that Pead played RB for Wallsall in the succesful campaign last season, with Dobson keeping him away from a central midfield role. Maybe he would be better at RB?

Hopefully they will all toughen up but I do agree about teams running straight through us, it was a common theme last season too.

I guess we have lots of players who can play in lots of position in the centre. I'd still like to see Ide playing an attacking wide right role, he was very good there in some games last season.

 

[Gee Bee]

Things would be easier if we had fewer midgets in midfield. Apart from Mousinho the others are too easily brushed off the ball.

Which is the main reason why our central defence has looked iffy at times.
Opposition midfield with plenty of time to run with the ball and pick out passes. Leaving defenders back pedalling and over exposed.

 

[Isleworth bee]

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:thetruth: Our defence still rubish after watching last nights game against bristol city in the carling cup i think we wll do ok this season top half finish

 

[louzer]

Its easy to tell the quality of the players in the team, if other teams in the division would have them in there starting line up, and with the exception of MOORE, who isnt even ours ... no team would want any of them... ps i just hope theres two teams worse than us.

I said the same around this time last year and was derided a madman.
I could not see 4 teams worse than Leroy's lineup, but i felt we would not be the worst team in the division and but i was wrong.
I know pre-season has been pretty demoralising, i've been to almost all the games to see us split by non league sides, so i can understand your point of view.
But compare Thorpe to Fola, Connell to Moore, Mackie to Griffiths, Brown to Nelson, Poole/ Starosta to Tillen, Paed to Pinault and Ide to Winegum and i'm encouraged.
We clearly have a long term plan, with 2yr deals and AS bedding in under TB presumably to take over once TB's voice over and radio work pick's up.
Hereford wanted Connell to stay, Mackie would have been welcome experience to any back line in this division. Thorpe had a cracking record at one of the best clubs in div 4 over the last decade and Pead was named in the lge 2 team of the season. Brown has played top level in one of the best second rate leagues in Europe.

Give them a couple of games to bed in and work out what the leagues about and the return of the injured and suspended. I don't think we'll be the same laughing stock we saw last year and Barnet have lost there 3 best players, Hereford, Rochdale and Shrewsbury all have too. Daggers and Morecambe are virgins, Macclesfield have got the post Ince comedown to contend with and Accrington, Wrexham and Chester all lack the same depth as us.

 

[jay1310]

:thetruth: Our defence still rubish after watching last nights game against bristol city in the carling cup i think we wll do ok this season top half finish

lol

Do you have any of these? .,'?!:;

 

[Bigbee]

The team's full of kids.

Yep,and you'll never win anything playing with kids ( not a quote by Graham Rix)

I assume Smith and Pead were to be an integral ( sp?) part of TB/AS midfield?As of yet the preferred midfield havent started together?Any idea to how long Peads out?I see Smiths making substitutional appearances.If any one goes on holiday,see if you can opt for a internet connection too.It saves embarassing threads on your return.

 

[Mr Cynical]

The team's full of kids.

Yep,and you'll never win anything playing with kids ( not a quote by Graham Rix)

I assume Smith and Pead were to be an integral ( sp?) part of TB/AS midfield?As of yet the preferred midfield havent started together?Any idea to how long Peads out?I see Smiths making substitutional appearances.If any one goes on holiday,see if you can opt for a internet connection too.It saves embarassing threads on your return.

To be fair, from what I've seen of Pead, I think he'll end up a squad player.. Smith looks good though. He and Moore in CM would be good, but then we still need wide players..

 

[Raybfc123]

Posts like this should never be discussed, so pointless it should be closed!

Come back in 10 games and we'll have a chat then!

Does get my back up some people on the GPG i'm sure they watch different games to me at times.

From the 2 games so far i'm really enjoying the football and we still have players to come in and add more to it hopefully.

From what i've seen already its far better than anything last seasons shower come up with.

Keep the faith

 

[hwBee]

MCBEE...i went to staines, hampton, and home to reading, also last night..

Just so we're clear, of the games you've seen, which one of the very different Brentford teams are you writing off?..

V Staines

First-Half Team - Simon Brown; Donnie Barnard (Trialist); Darius Charles, Matt Heywood, John Mackie, John Mousinho, Ricky Shakes (Trialist), Gary Smith (Trialist), Lee Thorpe, Alan Connell, Sebastien Kneissl (Trialist)

Second-Half Team - Clark Masters; Lewis Dark, Matt Heywood, Karleigh Osborne, Sam Tillen, Kevin O'Connor, Craig Pead, Donnie Barnard (Trialist), Charlie Ide, Ross Montague, Kevin Smith (Trialist)


V Hampton

Brentford: Simon Brown, Lee Canoville (Trialist), Matt Heywood, John Mackie, Grant Basey, Craid Pead (sub John Mousinho 65), Kevin O'Connor, Ricky Shakes (Trialist), Sam Tillen (sub Gary Smith (Trialist) h/t) , Raman Calliste (Trialist) (sub Ryan Peters h/t), Charlie Ide,

Subs (not used) Clark Masters, Karleigh Osborne, Paul Brooker


V Reading

Brentford: Brown; Starosta, Mackie, Osborne, Basey; Mousinho (sub Cochrane 60 mins), Smith (sub Murtagh 73 mins), Moore; Brooker (sub Tillen 73 mins), Thorpe (sub Montague 73 mins), Connell (sub Peters 67 mins)

Reading: Stack; Halls, Bikey, Bennett, Shorey (sub De La Cruz 64 mins); Ki-Hyeon, Oster (sub Ingimarsson 85 mins), Cisse, Hunt (sub Church 67 mins); Long, Kitson

V Bristol City

Brentford: Hamer; Starosta, Mackie, Pettigrew, Basey; Mousinho, Moore, O'Connor (sub Smith 73 mins); Ide, Connell (sub Tillen 63 mins), Brooker (sub Peters 55 mins)

I do appreciate why you're pessimistic (it's Brentford afterall), and obviously, I sincerely hope you're wrong about how this season is going to play out but surely you can give the team a chance to settle a little before you give up on them...leave it until end of September, then we can all be depressed together if we're losing games week after week

 

[ApolloBeachTone]

God almighty boys and girls - 2 games in and we've not won yet !!!

Let's get real - we've played 2 games, pre-season means little to nothing. We drew with Mansfield, so securing our first points, which after last season is a relief to get on the the board so early !! We lost to a Bristol City side that we wouldn't have expected to beat last season, when in the same division as them, letalone being in the bottom division now.

We've got young guys, looking to play good football - they will get better, they have the potential to be pretty good. Potential doesn't win games, but I'd rather have that right now than be where we were last season.

We will be playing more Mansfield-types this season than Bristol-types, so chill out.

We looked competitive against Mansfield the first time they all played together. Against Bristol City - not so much, but in reality did anyone expect we might truly trouble them. Let's remember we're playing Macclesfield, Barnet, Accrington and Morecambe NOT Wolves, WBA, Palace and Wednesday. There is a difference !!

 

[Bush Tuckerman]

We have got some decent footballers in there I agree, but the last 2 games have shown this to be the area where we get overrun and bullied. Because of this, the defence has looked weaker as opposition have time to pass around them and run at them. Also if we were that good we would have created more scoring opportunities. I'm looking forward to the option of Pead being added to the equation.

Was impressed by the Midfields persistance with trying to play good football and hope that we hold on to that mentality as it will come together as they play together more.

I just dont think that they will have the luxury of much time together - and I think we need a bit more experience pulling the strings in the centre of the park.

I also feel that the midfield is a bit too lightweight when on the back foot - which caused our defence all sorts of pressure.

 

[Debut1949]

I hope Butcher sticks to his guns and carries on trying to play patient football. If we stick to this it will encourage more people to watch and results will improve. We've got a very decent midfield now, the other areas should improve with time. No money = no quick fix.

Just as important as Terry Butcher sticking to his guns is for the spectators to show some patience.

In many ways last night's game was very similar to last season's game against Luton in the second round of the same competition played on 19 September 2006. For long periods of that game the Bees played quite good passing football only to lose by the same 3 - 0.

When one recalls that the defeat against Luton was only the Bees' second defeat in the first eleven games in the 2006-7 season and that within a few weeks a vocal minority of those spectators were chanting "Leroy Out" at matches the omens are not good!

 

[Stanley]

Like most I have been impressed by what I have seen so far . Bristol were a good all round Championship side and played well without any big time Charlie attitude which could have happened..so no shame losing there.

But I can understand the reticent attitude. In the last 18 Months I have seen us win no more than half a dozen times and seen hardly any goals scored by us despite seeing a large number of games...its been a dire time since that 5-0 win over Walsall. We have seen loss after loss and endless matches going one nil down and knowing the game was over.

That leads to an inbuilt pessimism which will take some to get over.Once Bristol City had got their first soft goal I did not think for one minute we were going to win...we need some results to bring back the hope!!

 

[sonofabee]

Its easy to tell the quality of the players in the team, if other teams in the division would have them in there starting line up, and with the exception of MOORE, who isnt even ours ... no team would want any of them... ps i just hope theres two teams worse than us.

Says who?

Pead made the league 2 rep side last year, Charlie would get in most sides, several of the others it's too early too say how good or bad they are.

1 league game, 1 draw, minus first choice centre forward and centre midfield and you're moaning, why don't you get a life?

 

[VTG]

The main area of concern is central defence where only loanee Pettigrew looks the part. His inexperience will result in lapses,but neither Mackie and certainly not Heywood inspire much confidence. Hopefully a stable partnership will emerge sooner rather than later. Things would be easier if we had fewer midgets in midfield. Apart from Mousinho the others are too easily brushed off the ball.

I think the general theme with our team, once Pead and/or Thorpe return is that it doesn't matter if we concede 3 as long as we score 4. We certainly have the talent and if it came to it could play 4-3-3 with Thorpe off Connell and Ide, I could see the goals flying in (at the right end) and a lot of goals scored this season. We also appear to be playing some fairly attractive passing football, although tiredness is an issue and it only seems to be last season's unwanted remnants who still insist on hoofball. January transfer window may present some nice opportunities. Overall, I am very optimistic, at the worst we'll finish mid-table. Come back to this one later

 

[Rokerbee]

im really opptamistic about this team 10 games in when they gel and start reading each others moves i think they will be great im abit worried about Januany when all our loans f off

 

[SmiffyBee]

im really opptamistic about this team 10 games in when they gel and start reading each others moves i think they will be great im abit worried about Januany when all our loans f off

most of our loanees will end in two/three weeks

Hamer, Basey, Pettigrew and Moore (I think)

 

[condorman]

most of our loanees will end in two/three weeks

Hamer, Basey, Pettigrew and Moore (I think)

Moore is here till January

 

[condorman]

To be fair, from what I've seen of Pead, I think he'll end up a squad player.. Smith looks good though. He and Moore in CM would be good, but then we still need wide players..

Pead has good feet and looks like he wants to win. He will be an asset I think.

 

[IsleofWight_Bee]

What a silly thread of course he's got a Plan B...its Plan A

lol lol lol

 

[SmiffyBee]

Moore is here till January

not confirmed yet......

 

[Rokerbee]

But honestly in january if they all go what are we left with?:sad:

 

[EASTBRISTOLBEE7]

Far too early to judge yet , the only worry for me was we played at home against the likes of mansfield and had a lone striker !
And i dont like KC in central midfield period.

 

[VTG]

But honestly in january if they all go what are we left with?:sad:

A transfer window and goodbye Heywood and Brooker, hello four players in place of them, or two experienced and interested ones for the same prices, hopefully.

 

[VTG]

And i dont like KC in central midfield period.

Temporary until Pead returns.

 

[Gee Bee]

But honestly in january if they all go what are we left with?:sad:

It's a case of juggling a budget. If we are top end to mid table and still in with a chance of promotion or play off then we can hopefully extend or get others in as replacements. If we are bottom end they may well have proven to be crap and can be replaced. Whereas if we tied them all up for a season we are cutting down our options in January transfer window.
Also it might be the loaning club that won't let us have them yet beyond January.