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We've got our forwards. If another is sought, I can see it being a loanee, if one is required. Thanks BWP for last season but I cannot see us signing him for the coming one.
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JCMcBee
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... i doubt very much paul hayes figures highly in uwes future plans......does anyone really want to see him being brought on when its 1-1 with 15 to go again this season.....when we're looking for a win.......we've done that one......time for a change.
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I see a young pacy loanee coming in and some names could spring to mind once the Premiership teams gave their squads sorted nearer the start of the season. Maybe if Hayes leaves things will change but Donaldson, Farid, Grigg and loanee would do it. It is important that Norris also challenges and is in or aroud the squad too a sthis is his make or break season.
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I quite like BWP but wouldn't get him back for this season as I think we already have the fire power we need. I know I will be in the minority but I would keep Hayes as he offers us something different, we have got 4 different types of forwards which gives us options.
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I reckon all of our first three forwards (Clayton, Farid and Will) have the edge on BWP and more potential. I suspect all are better team players too. Certainly not worth compromising our wage structure for the sort of wages I suspect BWP would want.
Even if Hayes moved on and released some player budget I think we would be better to spend the money elsewhere.
Even if Hayes moved on and released some player budget I think we would be better to spend the money elsewhere.
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If he's good enough I'll be happy with Norris. I'm not sure he'll be the the difference though.
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In reply to BRbee, I think our biggest failing was goalscoring last season. If Hayes moves on, we definitely need another forward. Grigg may well make a nonsense of this post in due course.
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He won't be the difference but he will need to fill in from time to time and do a decent job and show that he merits a contract.
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BWP's record for us last season was impressive considering he wasnt really fit. Im all for offering BWP a contract but on our terms. Give him the offer and if he wants to play for Brentford that much then he will sign it.
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Donaldson & Grigg proved they could get 20 goals in league 1 last season Farid still has to show he can do it. BWP has proved he can get 20 goals in this league Hayes is not a goal scorer we need another goal scorer to cover any injuries or poor form i think BWP would be a great signing if he wants to play & work hard for Brentford FC.
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i would be happy with him if hes going to come here on our terms. he knows the set up but i wouldn't break the bank for him. will be interesting to see how hayes performs if he stays with a full pre season under his belt. had some class touches but always looked like he was carrying a bit of weight.
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I've got a feeling that we will see a much improved Hayes this season if he's given the chance. For whatever reason things just didn't click for him last year but even then you could plainly see that there was a pretty good player in there somewhere, and one with a track record of success at this level. But even so, if the budget stretches to it and he is happy to be rotated in and out of the side (two big ifs) I'd love to see BWP return. I can't recall many cooler more natural finishers in the red and white over the years.
Maybe that's just being greedy though. A regular front two of Clayton and Grigg, plus FAE and Hayes as alternatives to mix things up should be good enough. We still need a goal scoring wide midfielder though.
Maybe that's just being greedy though. A regular front two of Clayton and Grigg, plus FAE and Hayes as alternatives to mix things up should be good enough. We still need a goal scoring wide midfielder though.
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We need goals from wide and central midfield and also from the back four.
Forresters eleven goals will be hard to replace but between Douglas Diagouraga and Forshaw we got about 8 goals, a figure that we need to double.
I don't think it unreasonable to expect 6 goals minimum from the defenders too.
Forresters eleven goals will be hard to replace but between Douglas Diagouraga and Forshaw we got about 8 goals, a figure that we need to double.
I don't think it unreasonable to expect 6 goals minimum from the defenders too.
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You reds..
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I just can't see us signing him without one or two out of the four strikers leaving will be interesting to see how Uwe would manage expectations if he signs and nobody leaves though!
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Agree with this entirely. Hayes is an intelligent player who did not deserve the abuse heaped on him from some quarters last season but who proved to be less than prolific when it came to putting the ball in the net. BWP, by contrast, scored four goals in the nine games he started. In the five games in which he came on as a sub, he scored in one (Sheffield United) and in another (Swindon) may or may not have contributed - I don't know, I wasn't there - to a Donaldson winner. Judged by results, at least, there's no contest. I very much doubt BWP will be able to command a £5,000-a-week salary here or anywhere else, and if we can get him on decent terms he'd be a useful acquisition, with Hayes likely to be lent out as he was last season or perhaps sold on.
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Hypa, with all due respect you didn't see Hayes or BWP play last season and don't know what BWP's agent is asking for so best you follow from afar rather than tell us how it is.
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With all due respect, you are quite wrong. You have no idea how many games I saw last season. I'm not going to tell you how many because I don't see why I should be obliged to. However it was considerably more than you appear to think. I saw Hayes play on a number of occasions (I was at GP several times in the first half of the season) and I also saw BWP play more than once.
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As a matter of interest, do you know how much BWP's agent is asking for, and if so how?
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I agree with your earlier post Hypa, Hayes didn't deserve the personal comments made by some people and IMO can play an important role for us this season. As for BWP, you just needed to see the top quality goals he scored for us at crucial times e,g Sheffield Utd to appreciate what a talent he is. As to what he earns, wants to earn, it's nothing to do with the fans unless someone wants to take over from Matthew Benham.
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..................yes................slightly scuffed but Bramall Lane went silent........
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I do know what he was on at both Plymouth and Charlton, how is my business. Someone else made the point it's none of the fans business if MB wants a player that I agree with to some extent.
However, I wouldn't want and don't expect him to suddenly
start buying any available forwards at any price because he can afford them. That would cause friction and potentially ruin the fantastic team spirit we have seen built over the last season.
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That's a fair response, and I agree with your more general comment. But I'd expect BWP's agent to be realistic enough to know that his client is not going to fetch the same degree of interest now that Charlton have released him, so that the £5k-a-week figure is to some extent hypothetical. And I'd argue that a return of four goals per nine starts, as per last season, would amount to 20 league goals if extended over a whole season, which might be worth getting the cheque-book out for - subject to the size of the cheque, of course.
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Agents being realistic is a fallacy,BWP was on 10k + a week at Charlton of which we paid a percentage.Would expect them to be holding out for a lot more than the average div 1 wage.
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It'll be interesting to see where BWP ends up, and earning how much. While I still think he'd be a useful acquisition (at the right price), I hope that Hayes can justify the faith that the manager clearly has in him and comes good. The ability is there, I think. It may be just a matter of fitness and fine tuning.
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Agreed. Just don't think BWP is the man for us. The goal scoring abilities of Grigg and Farid for us are unknown at present, also their ability to combine well with Donaldson. But it looks like it could be promising.
Hayes is a different type of player but didn't really make a great contribution last season. Agree that if he goes we should bring in another forward.
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That moment at Brammall Lane was one of my all time best supporting the Bees.
Don't think it is worth breaking the bank for Bradley but it was so good to have a striker that looked like he wasn't interested and then could roll the ball inch perfect into the net. Can't recall us having that quality much as we tend to be more interested in those who look like they are busting their lungs.
Thanks BWP.
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But if someone else offers the divisions most prolific golascorer a little bit more he may go there and shoot them to promotion instead...... but at least he "wanted" to go there.
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Sheff Utd knew we were a better footballing team than them, so they set out to neutralise us. They knew if they tried to actually play, we would beat them. I think we were widely recognised as the best footballing side in the division, but also perhaps rumbled as perhaps easy to frustrate in front of goal.
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Never never want him playing for Brentford again, his behavour v's Doncaster will never be forgotten by me.
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Bramall Lane was good but pushing Kev away from the penalty box and missing a sitter at Wembley will stay with me forever. Best he continues his quest for stardom in Hollywood than TW8.
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Proven goalscorer at this level, and whilst I can understand why people wouldn't want him on a financial side of things. To not want him as a a player is insane.
Dare it be said that part of the problem with Brentford fans is that we seem to be more interested in having the right charchters. Well **** that get match winners if there available and we can afford it (obviously there are exceptions for the likes of Lee Hughes etc).
You don't wanna go up Brentford fans.
Dare it be said that part of the problem with Brentford fans is that we seem to be more interested in having the right charchters. Well **** that get match winners if there available and we can afford it (obviously there are exceptions for the likes of Lee Hughes etc).
You don't wanna go up Brentford fans.
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Well I can't think what he did against Doncaster, he had nothing really to do with the penalty he was lurking around but we can't blame any of that onto him? I'd sign him up need options and proven scorer as earlier mentioned will not forget tht night in Sheffield, possibly the slowest goal iv ever seen go in but great finisher
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