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stevil
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I think I would even include Robert Quinn , Tom Finney, Graham Wilkins, Wayne Turner and Ian Holloway in a list of those that are more effective than Bean.
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Why pick on Bean, O'Connor is the real problem
Wouldn't have either in the team if I managed Hampton and Redbridge personally.
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Haven't we been saying this for at least two seasons.
WE NEED A FIT GARY SMITH TYPE PLAYER.... FAST!!!!!
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Save your ink, it ain't gonna happen............until the board get their fingers out and sack him..
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We aren't going to change our midfield, and our style of play ideally relies on getting forward quickly and crosses into the box. The midfield is not the reason we lost today, our centrebacks just hoofed the ball forward every time they got it. Our wingers were non-existant today, until Simpson came on and looked fairly handy.
Why Scott persists with Weston baffles me, he has played badly in the last 3/4 games, yet hasn't been dropped. I would switch Wood to the left, Simpson to the right and let Weston sort his form out in the reserves. The game largely bypassed our midfield, everyone was crap today, with Balkestein the biggest candidate for hoofing the ball forwards.
Disgraceful performance, but we misfired all over the park not just the middle.
Why Scott persists with Weston baffles me, he has played badly in the last 3/4 games, yet hasn't been dropped. I would switch Wood to the left, Simpson to the right and let Weston sort his form out in the reserves. The game largely bypassed our midfield, everyone was crap today, with Balkestein the biggest candidate for hoofing the ball forwards.
Disgraceful performance, but we misfired all over the park not just the middle.
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Why pick on Bean, O'Connor is the real problem
You must be joking. Bean is embarrassingly poor.
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he is one of the most inept footballers I've seen for a long long time, no touch, control, shot or heading ability
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He is great at breaking up play, and now and then he plays a blinder. But he is too inconsistent.
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O'Connor is meant to be the holding midfielder tasked with breaking up the play, a task he does pretty well IMO and certainly as well as Bean. This should leave Bean to get forward into the final third to support the forward players. Sadly, he's simply not doing that enough and moreover is so lacking in technical ability that he is of little or no benefit in positions where a degree of ball retention is required.
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A player like Detzi is EXACTLY what we need right now. Remember the promotion season, we were by-passing the midfield in the same way we are now. In comes Detzi, 6 straight wins, title won.
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I agree, but calling Bean embarrassingly poor is a little over the top. He plays well sometimes. But yes, he is erratic and doesnt contribute enough to attacks.
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I can't help thinking that we won the title despite Detzi, not because of him. It's true that his arrival coincided with our charge to glory, though.
What we wouldn't give now for a front 4 of Holdsworth, Blissett, Gayle and Smillie...
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He has played well, very well in the past, but has always been hamstrung by his lack of technical ability IMO. Unfortunately at the moment, he seems incapable of anything close to control or passing of the football and it's by some distance, the worst form I've seen him in since he joined us.
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Fair enough, I think that he can come into the team in some games where we need that person breaking up play. But today was not his day, we need someone with some passing ability. I thought Diagouraga would do that, but his form has gone off the boil too.
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I'm not so sure. I remember us being outgunned in midfield in several games leading up to Detzi's arrival, very similar to what is happening now. 4-3 defeat at home to Bradford springs to mind amongst others.
I do agree with you on the front 4 though. If (a big if) we had someone with the quality of Blissett up front who could hold the ball up and score goals, this would cover up some of the inadequecies of our midfield.
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I think what Brentford FC really needs more than anything is a manager who encourages his players to play passing football. Not above head height mind. Oh, to each other would be a bonus.
We ain't got that and it really isn't going to happen until Mr Scott is replaced. My opinion of course, unoriginal or otherwise.
stevil
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Don't get me wrong - Detzi's got a place in my heart forever, and he definitely did an important job for us. I'm just not sure he'd be the missing piece of this particular jigsaw. Time to go and dig out the old 91/92 video...
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I'm not sure he would be given that he must be about 50 now (then again could he be any worse than what we have now!)
Seriously though, for all the different opinions on this site, the centre midfield weakness is the one thing we all seem to agree on. Trouble is the one man who can do something about it is oblivious to the situation.
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Absolutely right. Thank you Curbishley, and your ridiculous Manager of the Month panel...
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As the transfer window is closed there isnt a great deal he can do until january except experiment with spillane or saunders, and i can imagine what the reaction to him trying that and losing the game would be. And what would we have said if he'd brought in another centre midfielder when we already had 4 players once the utterly inept dave had come in?
That said today was woeful.
That said today was woeful.
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He could resign. (Preferably).
Have to say he isn't likely to change the midfield in this way when he doesn't even recognise the blindingly obvious fact that it is a problem.
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Ironic to see Paul Evans featured in the programme. A leader who could tackle, pass and shoot from range.
Just what we need now, and have done for ages.
Just what we need now, and have done for ages.
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Regardless of what you think of Scott, last month's results were deserving of the Manager of the Month award.
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got shot down for once saying he was my fav all time bee.:shrug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTE8Dd_YhoQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl8JgePEKqc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0tztE4HvIw&feature=related
Southern Bee
If only..
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I wish players like Saunders and Hunt would be given a chance. I dont think there is any need to change the defence as it seems quite good, there is nothing we can do up front but Saunders and Hunt can at least be given a chance!
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maddogging
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Beeky38
Pass the bloody thing
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The only play Bean seems to break up is our own. He has a sickening ability to make the simpliest pass look difficult resulting in possession being lost time and again. He is an industrious player but we need more, much more than Bean offers.
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How Bean continues to get in the team amazes me and how Dave isnt in the team also amazes me Bean, Hunt and KOC aernt good enough but yet AS wont change it when its probably the most important area on the pitch
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Unfortunately it's an of how dreadful Dave has been that Bean is playing at all IMO. He's been an absolute shadow of the player we saw last season and I have no idea why. He should've been the first pick in midfield but has been a virtual passenger whenever he's been involved.
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Breaks up the play then doesn't seem to know what to do next. The game just seems to pass him by at present.
Perhaps a player like Scott Donnelly might be worth a shot on loan from Swansea. He's not getting played and will be keen to get some first team football under his belt; was good for Aldershot in L2 and has goals in him.
Our midfield doesn't have a shred of creativity in it at present.
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True but I never quite worked out what he did to make that happen
He did what quality midfielders do. Tackled, slowed the game down and passed the ball along the floor
Shame it all went wrong the following season but that's another matter.
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Hunt is superior to Bean IMHO, he can pass and tackle well, he gets forward and also has a decent shot on him. We dont play with attacking centre midfielders, and arent likely to start anytime soon. So if that is the case, then play kev and Hunt together. At least they wont lose the ball all of the time.
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Central midfield is the biggest problem in the team. I haven't seen one creative pass from either Bean or O'conner all season. If the defence pass to them they know it's gonna come right back. The strikers don't bother to make piercing runs because they know Bean and O'Conner are incapable of delivering a pass that splits the defence. It's dire. The entire centre midfield outfit needs to be shipped out in Jan and replaced with a bit of creativity. They're just not up to it. Bring back Chris Hargreaves and Stewart Talbot!
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Will never happen and now probably to late to risk trying it out however Saunders has the range of passes required, is comfortable with both feet, has an impressive free kick and shot and the intelligence to play the necessary passes to our forwards on the ground. Unfortunately this style of play does not fulfill the Andy Scott criteria for midfield.