Club statement

[rebus]

http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10421~637486,00.html

 

[nocoat]

They have been busy...


No place for Chappers in that statement tho

I wonder if Greville Waterman will still come on the gpg..

 

[Simon T]

Good to see Eddie Rogers will be "taking a closer day to day involvement in the running of the Club"

 

[eghambee]

Well that was a waste of time then.

Honest mistakes were made, despite two key members of staff deciding to leave, nothing is to be done.

How long can the club hide behind 'we are a small club with small resources'?

People putting lies on the official website, and all that is done is to remind them of their responsibilities!!

Someone taking the decision to sell to anyone the tickets, with no back up or contingency!!!

People being seen on TV saying the rush for tickets was 'what the FA Cup does to fans' but were surprised by the quick interest.

The man 'responsible' for administration, that had major issues, gets to add to his role with the Princess Royal conversion and the club shop.
(By the way where is the response to my later?)

This is a disgrace Mr Rogers an absolute disgrace.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

AW's contract? Maybe I have missed something but surely that is a piece of p!ss to sort out! :mad1:

 

[Nurse Betty]

Who is Greville Waterman?

Why is Roy King still called Operations Manager when his role description doesn't seem to be that of Operations Manager but back to being Stadium Manager?

What should BIAS/BU do now and what timing should they aim for?

Answers on a postcard, please....

 

[Brickie Chap]

Waste of time and effort, muppets please carry on putting your spare change in the buckets for the G&T needs of RK/GH/JM/SC & ER etc

 

[Simon T]

Who is Greville Waterman?

I believe he is North London Bee. Reading between the lines of other people's messages, the board will now be able to say without lying that it was a board member that recommended Martin Allen for the manager's job

 

[nocoat]

Who is Greville Waterman?

The guy that did the voice overs for our goals of the season vid

Not the year that Kenneth Woolstenholme did it (championship 92 )

 

[Ace Face]

This is an absolute disgrace and I hope BU are proud of this.

Where do you start?
- How can Altonwood Eddie invite NLB onto the BFC Board? Surely it is for the BFC Board to invite NLB on.

What about the lies?
- Just honest mistakes chaps apparently.

How can they start a CEO appointment process when they have no job description and BU no nothing of the process - well BB didn`t on Monday night?

This club is a shambles and it stinks.

It is time for Bias to act NOW.

 

[Ace Face]

No mention of the staff who had to resign because they were shat on.

JM and RK still costing BFC £100K including employer NI.

Surely not published this late so that it can`t be picked up by the Chronicle this week.

Altonwood Eddie out!!

 

[Gee Bee]

Who is Greville Waterman?

Should be interesting reading the inevitable Larrys interview with him. I seem to remember they had a falling out on here a while back?

 

[Ace Face]

Statement about changes at BFC

So according to BU we are a fans run club

This means that
- the Altonwood appointed BFC Chairman takes a close interest in the day to day running of the club.
- personally conducts an inquiry into alleged lies on the OS from the BFC Board
- personally restructures the BFC Board and redefines BFC Directors roles and responsibilities


http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/News/NewsDetail/0,,10421~637486,00.html

BU lied to me and said to me he would be a lemon slicer.

This man is a mate of Noades and it is a slap in the face to all you brilliant fans who donate to BU, that this man is chairman of our club.

It is time to stop being so apathetic and to make change happen and I hope Bias has plans ready.

Fans run club my arse!!

 

[eghambee]

Picture the scene:

After just asking MarkBFC to postthe club statement, people sit back to await the response.

'People are already moaning' says one.

'You can't please people can you' says another.

'We have had a full investigation , used up the small resources point again, taken up too much time on this and all they want to do is knock the club and the efforts MA is making on the pitch' says a third.

'Cup of coffee' anyone' says another - 'oops' says a lone voice, 'i forgot to get some, i cant do everything!'

'Tell the office workers that the shop keeper demanded that you had to agree with that Mr H Pools, and that he didnt want any'.

The Chairman steps in 'may i remind you of your responsibilities!! Now run along and we'll get some delivered, and employ a tea boy!! '


The story ends with the curtain coming down, forever. :sad:

 

[Leicester Bee]

I almost split my sides when I read one part of the statement made by Mr Rogers.

He says that due to inaccurate statements being put out on the club website during that week, he has had to remind directors of their responsibilities.

Might I remind Mr Rogers that it was, in fact, his own statement that was released and removed very swiftly, and not a statement from the other directors. Whether or not he wrote it, is not the issue. His name was at the bottom of the statement, therefore he endorsed it. Of course, now the statement is removed, we'll never know, but take my word for it, it was his words that were included in an inaccurate statement that was released on the OS, and then removed promptly after it emerged that it was inaccurate.

However, trying to be positive about this, under public pressure, BFC have at least attempted to move forward with this, and fairly quickly too. This is at least a start.
The reason I want to point this out is because alot of fans who are not ITK, like many of us on here, will read the statement and feel better about it than some of us on here. It now becomes a lesser of two evils. Who do they appease? The so-called silent majority, or the fans who, imho, quite rightly scrutinise the actions of the club? The silent majority, especially those who don't spend half their lives on the GPG, are now going to feel alot better about this than many of us, who can still pick gaping holes in the statement. Personally, I'm still not happy at all. However, in my opinion, those who spend alot of valuable time scrutinising the club, are alot less in number than the "silent majority".

With the play-offs a very distinct possibility, with May 31st only 10 weeks away, I'll bet that the vast majority of fans think that there's no point disrupting the status quo. Yes, we could have maintained that attitude when Wally was in charge, but bear in mind that disruption "could" lessen the confidence with Altonwood or the banks. Maybe. Certainly, it could also be argued that Eddie Rogers, being a mate of Noades, rather than being a threat, could turn out to be an opportunity for us to use his influence to re-negotiate the debt, for example.

I'm not sure of the best way forward, but whilst I have deep respect for many of the posters on the GPG, understand their views and to a greater or lesser extent, wholeheartedly agree with them, I do feel that with so little time left, maybe preserving the status quo might just be the right course of action for now. Calling for people's heads during a time when we are pushing for the play-offs, might be disruptive to the team.

Of course, this doesn't detract from the fact that two key members of the backroom team at BFC have submitted their resignations, and there must be certain reasons for doing so, understanding that these two are Brentford lovers, and would not abandon ship unecessarily.

All of this is confusing, disruptive, and we need to work out the best way forward for the club. The club have reacted in such a way to appease most fans, imo. The club, whether they have put spin on it or not, look like they have dug themselves out of a large hole. Maybe we need to concentrate on working with what we've got, and focus on obtaining a result for the club off the field, whilst there's no doubting everyone else will be gunning for glory on the field. Maybe it's time that just get on with it and call a truce. Maybe I'm wrong, of course! However, it doesn't detract from the number of people who are genuinely confused about this whole affair.

BTW, congrats to Greville Waterman, who I understand to have negotiated various deals for BFC in the past, and has been a considerable asset to the club as a result. I hope that he can make a difference, and first off, keep Mark C and Kelly at the club. We need all the good people we can get.

 

[Ace Face]

NLB - Did you have to cough up £100k like BU?

I think you have been a very silly boy to join this lot.

 

[Edmundo]

I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things. But having seen the mess over the ticket debacle, he has stepped in to sort things out and take the kind of action that we have been calling for. I would read that statement as a clear indication that the people whose heads we have been calling for have been moved sideways and out of the firing line, so that better people can take their places. It was probably impossible to do anything more drastic without incurring enormous legal bills.

I know that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I see this as a huge step forward. The club has admitted as far as it ever will do that statements were issued that were inaccurate and misleading, it has apologised and is implementing changes to make things better. I'm not sure what else we could realistically have hoped for.

And let's hope that Martin can sign the exciting player that is hinted at in Eddie's statement!

 

[Ace Face]

Leicester - Dream on mate. How can the staff involved stay when the management who shat on them are remaining.

NLB will be another chief with no job description I bet.

I am convinced the BU Board knew nothing of all this.

 

[Gee Bee]

I am convinced the BU Board knew nothing of all this.

Some of them must because JM & SC are on both boards.

 

[The H]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things. But having seen the mess over the ticket debacle, he has stepped in to sort things out and take the kind of action that we have been calling for. I would read that statement as a clear indication that the people whose heads we have been calling for have been moved sideways and out of the firing line, so that better people can take their places. It was probably impossible to do anything more drastic without incurring enormous legal bills.

I know that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I see this as a huge step forward. The club has admitted as far as it ever will do that statements were issued that were inaccurate and misleading, it has apologised and is implementing changes to make things better. I'm not sure what else we could realistically have hoped for.

And let's hope that Martin can sign the exciting player that is hinted at in Eddie's statement!

:yes:

 

[Ace Face]

Re: Statement about changes at BFC

Edmundo - Altonwood Eddies OS piece was one of those which contained lies. No one is taking a pay cut and only the shat on staff have to go.

Only RK has moved sideways and not only is he keeping his salary, we are forced to recruit a CEO is because RK and JM are so useless.

If he felt any real remorse over the disgusting way in which the club behaved, he should think of the club instead of his own ego and be the first to resign.

This club is now going to slowly drift backwards as nobody is going to trust them or help them.

As for the BU Loan Note holders - poor sods thats all I can say.

Also I resent you saying that a mate of Ron Noades has any credit at all.

 

[Edmundo]

I am convinced the BU Board knew nothing of all this.

If that is the case, the four BU appointed directors of BFC need to be called to account for their failure to communicate with BU.

I suppose it's not surprising that the usual suspects have condemned this statement before taking a moment to reflect on what might actually be happening. Rogers is condemned for slicing lemons or condemned for doing the Chairman's job - he can only win by leaving. Yeah right - that's just what we want three months before the option expires isn't it?

The General Manager is now the Operations Manager - but this isn't good enough for the GPG vultures - only an illegal sacking at huge expense to the club (for which BFC and BU would be slated) would have sated their appetites.

I think it's time people got real. Would you prefer Ace Face to be running the club? Would you really?

 

[eghambee]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things. But having seen the mess over the ticket debacle, he has stepped in to sort things out and take the kind of action that we have been calling for. I would read that statement as a clear indication that the people whose heads we have been calling for have been moved sideways and out of the firing line, so that better people can take their places. It was probably impossible to do anything more drastic without incurring enormous legal bills.

I know that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I see this as a huge step forward. The club has admitted as far as it ever will do that statements were issued that were inaccurate and misleading, it has apologised and is implementing changes to make things better. I'm not sure what else we could realistically have hoped for.

And let's hope that Martin can sign the exciting player that is hinted at in Eddie's statement!

Although there is a lot in what you are saying ED, as always, i dont remember an apology.
ER had his name on at least one of them.

In my view the wordig should have been a lot stronger, surely a 'lie' in anyone else's workplace constitutes at least the start of disciplinary procedures.

He should have said that the whole saga had left a bad taste in everybody's mouth, and he will not tolerate it happening again.

I appreciate that the club has been on a shoestring for sometime, but if we get into the play offs and beyond, do we still say we dont have the right systems or the phones dont work etc.

If the new CEO is going to match the playing side for optimism and planning, then surely he will have to make those changes anyway.

 

[Leicester Bee]

Leicester - Dream on mate. How can the staff involved stay when the management who shat on them are remaining.

NLB will be another chief with no job description I bet.

I am convinced the BU Board knew nothing of all this.

In answer to your question: They can remain if those responsible are, at the very least, held culpable internally, if not externally too. Within an orgnisation, there are times when a manager really cocks up, even leading to a resignation or two within a given department. However, to sack the manager is not necessarily the answer. In my experience, there are compromises and solutions, and I have seen occasions where the manager held responsible has apologised to members of staff in an amicable manner, which has led to the withdrawal of resignations. I'm not saying this applies to any situation, but you cannot tell me that there are no solutions to this problem.

In addition, with the greatest of respect, saying "I am convinced the BU Board knew nothing of all this" is hardly an earth-shattering post. It's neither factual nor does it stir thought. It's a presumptuous comment that means nothing other than to stir. Same goes for your comment about NLB's job description. Such stirring is precisely what I meant in my previous post, in that it can be disruptive on the GPG, and fans who are curious may read such posts and lose interest or simply ignore such a remark made by your good self. You have much more to contribute than comments like that. You know you do.

 

[Banana]

Is John Mac an Executive or Non-Executive Director? I ask because the statement says

"At this point I can say that John McGlashan who relinquished his Executive role for day-to-day management last June........."

 

[Ace Face]

Edmundo - Your support for Altonwood Eddie is most moving.

Why would removing Altonwoods man be bad for the option which we are extending anyway?

If I lied to my customers/suppliers and cost my company tens of thousands of pounds I would face gross misconduct charges and possibly dismissal, if proved this wouldn`t be illegal.

Can I ask you how we are going to finance these new posts?

 

[Edmundo]

Re: Statement about changes at BFC

Edmundo - Altonwood Eddies OS piece was one of those which contained lies. No one is taking a pay cut and only the shat on staff have to go.

Well my guess is that he didn't write it in the first place and is probably furious about it. So you could argue he was shat on too. No-one HAS to go, two people have chosen to and we all hope that they might stay if sufficient changes happen.

Only RK has moved sideways and not only is he keeping his salary, we are forced to recruit a CEO is because RK and JM are so useless.

I think John Mac has also been moved sideways. Your suggestions would land us in court at huge expense. Right or wrong, you can't just slash someone's pay without massive legal risk. You're a trade unionist, you should know why.

Also I resent you saying that a mate of Ron Noades has any credit at all.

Well, I speak as I find. I think he's done a good job over this. You think he should have illegally sacked people and resigned, thus burning our bridges with the majority shareholder months before the expiry of the option. I don't resent you expressing your views - I just don't agree with them, that's all.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

Is John Mac an Executive or Non-Executive Director? I ask because the statement says

"At this point I can say that John McGlashan who relinquished his Executive role for day-to-day management last June........."

If the latter does this demotion mean that BU can have their money back or use it to appoint an 'executive director' with some 'cojones'

 

[Leicester Bee]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things.

No he doesn't in my eyes. It is a fact that he had HIS name underneath the statement that was made and withdrawn in under 24 hours.

And, if he took a back seat during this time, it is my opinion that this not the way a Chairman should act. A chairman, whilst not expected to be hands on, has a responsibility to understand all aspects of the business and ensure that operations and strategy are secure.
As chairman, of course you allocate responsibilities, but being ultimately responsible himself, he should have been aware.
This demonstrates to me, a distinct lack of leadership, something that I would have thought would have improved, as they have first hand experience of a truly great leader, Martin Allen.

 

[Edmundo]

Can I ask you how we are going to finance these new posts?

I don't know. Can I ask you how we would finance the huge legal bills and compensation payments for following your prefered course of action?

 

[Leicester Bee]

Why would removing Altonwoods man be bad for the option which we are extending anyway?

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.

 

[Edmundo]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

No he doesn't in my eyes. It is a fact that he had HIS name underneath the statement that was made and withdrawn in under 24 hours.

And, if he took a back seat during this time, it is my opinion that this not the way a Chairman should act. A chairman, whilst not expected to be hands on, has a responsibility to understand all aspects of the business and ensure that operations and strategy are secure.
As chairman, of course you allocate responsibilities, but being ultimately responsible himself, he should have been aware.
This demonstrates to me, a distinct lack of leadership, something that I would have thought would have improved, as they have first hand experience of a truly great leader, Martin Allen.

Yes, but everyone wanted him simply to slice the lemons. If they had been competent, then that would have been fine. I didn't say he'd emerged spotless from this episode, but I'd say the balance is hugely on the positive side.

 

[Leicester Bee]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

I'd say the balance is hugely on the positive side.

I agree with that, see my previous posts. At least, it is positive in the eyes of many fans who are not ITK.

 

[Ace Face]

Still don`t understand how JM is being moved.

Still don`t understand why BU have to cough up £100k for a director and NLB coughs up nil.

So to get this straight, although JM and RK are useless we have to not only carry on paying them their current salaries and no doubt annual increases, we have to appoint a CEO at further expense (which we can`t afford) because they are crap. So that I would say so far these two have cost us £100k of MAs heroic efforts and then a further say £75,000 year on year for the CEO. Happy days.

Can`t wait for the next cock up and musical chairs for RK.

Feel like resigning yet NLB?

 

[Edmundo]

How much has Doug White coughed up, Ace Face? Maybe he's been invited to join the board for the skills he has to offer on a voluntary basis rather than for his ability to support the Noades debt?

 

[Bigbee]

. Would you prefer Ace Face to be running the club? Would you really?

Yes, he knows his limitations,but has drive ,some thing lacking at the moment all around ,even from GPG'ers going by these posts He would involve people with the relevant experience in specialist areas .Hopefully they would be Bees who would donate their available time free of charge . Change Aces' name as MD to mine, Abee's ,BeeH's ,Russells's or any one who's involved in business,loves the club or has half a brain ,and oh ,doesnt have a large enough hole in their ar£e to be worked as a puppet by Altonwood .

Now we moved round pegs to square holes and back again .We have the wasted salaries of JM , RK, who really dont have a job description .The " appointment " of Greville who brought MA to the club, is a step in the right direction.He can now negotiate for free on behalf of the club whilst JM and co sit on their hands and spill the G and T's as they try to lift them hands free . I hope NLB's desire to get on the board is not diluted by the yes men, and hope that he does not become " one of them "

 

[JTofBFC]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things. But having seen the mess over the ticket debacle, he has stepped in to sort things out and take the kind of action that we have been calling for. I would read that statement as a clear indication that the people whose heads we have been calling for have been moved sideways and out of the firing line, so that better people can take their places. It was probably impossible to do anything more drastic without incurring enormous legal bills.

I know that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I see this as a huge step forward. The club has admitted as far as it ever will do that statements were issued that were inaccurate and misleading, it has apologised and is implementing changes to make things better. I'm not sure what else we could realistically have hoped for.

And let's hope that Martin can sign the exciting player that is hinted at in Eddie's statement!

Lot of sense in that. Not going to say I agree with it. Lets just say I dont disagree with it !!

Still a concern over the Operations Management but presumably when the new Chief Exec is appointed he will have the power to exercise his own judgement on that issue which is the way it should be.

 

[Luton Bee]

Does all ot this render the BU and BIAS reports and investigations irrelevant?

 

[Russell]

Does all ot this render the BU and BIAS reports and investigations irrelevant?

To a degree they were irrelevant prior to this announcement as the club exhorated all individuals of blame. Right or wrong, and for my money it was totally wrong to make that claim, the club would now find it very hard indeed to sack someone having publicly proclaimed "collective innocence". Even the most one-eyed of briefs would tear that to shreds in an unfair dismissal case.

If I had the choice Mr King would at worst be Vice President of paperclips until he got bored with the job and buggered off, and at best be wearing an orange overall with the letters "Q" and "B" printed on it. However, there is something called "loss of office" which is applied when "management" is sacked. I doubt BFC can afford the resulting legal bills and pay-off. We're probably still choking on the one Downes got barely a year ago.

Onto the new appointment. Some people on here know Greville is a good friend of mine. I can only say he has done far more for BFC than most others who are already taking pot shots at him, but that work he has kept quiet. If anyone feels better qualified, I suggest you contact him and see if he'll step aside for you to take his place. But I suggest those who were so adamant for a couple of years the likes of JM and SC were the right men for the job, give the man just as much support until or if he ****s up.

Now slaughter me too Bosh

 

[Luton Bee]

TBH I don't know our new board member and indeed don't know anything about him other than his connection with MA. I have been going to Brentford for long enough to have heard too many people tell me so and so is alright and "Brentford through and through" to trust anyone on word alone so I remain to be impressed by this appointment.

 

[Barry Proudfoot]

Ed,
I agree with most of what you what you say.

Cheers

Baz

 

[Ace Face]

If the fans who have loan notes and put in the buckets are happy for that money to fill JMs and RKs pockets fine. I certainly won`t give the tossers a penny.

As for NLB, I hope he does some good stuff in communication and PR, but it doesn`t really change the fact that BFC has at least two people on the payroll who are useless and have a job for life. I also hope he has a clearly defined job description. I can see PR and communication taking no more than a couple of days a week so no probs there.

However, who is going to spend the time turning the staff round motivating them. developing them and focussing them more on commercial opportunities. I guess this is the job for the CEO, who I can`t believe will not start until after May 31st. There are some very basic management stuff to be done at BFC and as yet we have no one tasked to do it. I guess it could be ER or NLB, but there needs to be proper reporting lines defined.

I would also like to know if BB was consulted on this statement, as I think it asks very important questions about BUs need to cough up £100k for a directorship. Surely the BFC Board can now invite BU reps on.

There is also the issue that loyal BEES fans are being asked to forget all the lies and incompetence because BFC made honest mistakes. Excuse me when was lieing honest?? As Bias requested, I want the guilty identified and punished. Lets also not forget that the two BFC employees shat on by Altonwood Eddie and his gang have had to resign.

I have to be honest and I can see NLB becoming CEO as this would rescue the tossers on the BFC Board. ie: no extra salary to find.

I believe that BFC will never recover from this episode, as I can think of no fan who is going to be interested in helping JM or RK. Lindleys will carry on taking the money, the club shop will continue externally managed (thus none of the brilliant ideas originating from fans will go anywhere) and the Princess Royal will bomb. Speaking of the Princess Royal this could have been an absolute goldmine and I was fully prepared to help develop a project plan, collate feedback and seek some finance in the form of sponsorship- but now RK and the others can fcck off.

Finally I think this fiasco is a test for BU, do they do nothing and watch funds dwindle or do they act. I would think they will do nothing, as it is to embarrasing for them. It is also a test for Bias, do they accept a simple "honest mistakes" and moving RK is enough.

If everybody decides lets all get behind Eddie and the gang, don`t whine on here in the future when the club continues to cock up.

Altonwood Eddie Out!

 

[Mark Bonner]

I've got to say that I am absolutely ****ed off reading this crap every night. A handful of people here seem to have a complete bloodlust for heads to roll. Quite honestly, such emotional, rash and downright unconstructive tittle tattle PROVES to me that the people responsible for all this emotive crap couldn't run a **** up in a brewery let alone a football club.

There's no room for emotion in business. In my opinion that's the risk of a club run by a supporter's trust. Its a double edged sword. BUT IT IS THE RIGHT WAY!!! We just have to givenew people a fair shot. To ask NLB if he's thinking of resigning already is just.... well, it's pathetic.

This constant sniping is unconstructive and has become nothing more than a whiny moan.

Stop this now. Edmundo talks a lot of sense. This is pointless and has become a rant from a couple of personal perspectives. Its not helping anyone or anything. Its like watching a cat fight in the playground while there's a great football match taking place out on the field....

Show me a bucket and I'll put a tenner in. Show me a way to help and i'll put some thinking and some energy in. Show me my club trying to make things happen and i'll support it. ALWAYS.

Ace Face, turn all this negative energy into something positive.

You're a good guy but you have turned to the dark side...

but I sense the force is still strong in you.

Up the Bees!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Ace Face, turn all this negative energy into something positive.

You're a good guy but you have turned to the dark side...

but I sense the force is still strong in you.

Up the Bees!

And I'll throw in another film quote for you. "Ace, what you rebelling against" to which he replies "What'ya got?" James Dean, Rebel Without A Cause.

While I understand the frustrations that are shared about certain aspects of the way the club is run some comments have been ludicrous.

Some facts as far as I can see. We're going to appoint a CEO. Good. We're going to appoint a Commercial Manager. Good. A popular GPG poster has been given a key role at the club. Good. As for Roy King, John MacGlashen, Lindley Catering et al, I wish I could be as informed as other posters but I'm not. If that means that I'm thought of as a naive supporter with his head in the sand so be it, even though I'm certain that the vast majority of people don't know me from Adam.

If I were a casual brentford supporter who stumbled across the GPG I'd be horrified at the gloom around and it certainly wouldn't get me down to Griffin Park in a hurry. Is that reality or are we in the middle of a hugely entertaining season?

As the boss says, PMA. Heads are clearly not going to roll now so get over it and start seeing the positives from the lessons that have been learnt.

I'll now get my keyboard nicely warmed up for the volley of abuse that is sure to come my way ...

GPG is becoming a bit of :zzzzz:

 

[kendo]

And I'll throw in another film quote for you. "Ace, what you rebelling against" to which he replies "What'ya got?" James Dean, Rebel Without A Cause.

While I understand the frustrations that are shared about certain aspects of the way the club is run some comments have been ludicrous.

Some facts as far as I can see. We're going to appoint a CEO. Good. We're going to appoint a Commercial Manager. Good. A popular GPG poster has been given a key role at the club. Good. As for Roy King, John MacGlashen, Lindley Catering et al, I wish I could be as informed as other posters but I'm not. If that means that I'm thought of as a naive supporter with his head in the sand so be it, even though I'm certain that the vast majority of people don't know me from Adam.

If I were a casual brentford supporter who stumbled across the GPG I'd be horrified at the gloom around and it certainly wouldn't get me down to Griffin Park in a hurry. Is that reality or are we in the middle of a hugely entertaining season?

As the boss says, PMA. Heads are clearly not going to roll now so get over it and start seeing the positives from the lessons that have been learnt.

I'll now get my keyboard nicely warmed up for the volley of abuse that is sure to come my way ...



GPG is becoming a bit of

Well said sir.


I know what you mean, it has become slightly depressing on the
old general bees discussion page!!!!!

 

[beetee]

If the fans who have loan notes and put in the buckets are happy for that money to fill JMs and RKs pockets fine. I certainly won`t give the tossers a penny.

i thought that half the money from the bucket collections went into a players fund?
surely its worth putting money in if it will help ma strengthen the squad either for the play off push or for next season?
I'm sure many fans would give generously if it meant that we could bring in a 20+ goal a season striker!

 

[Bigbee]

If the fans who have loan notes and put in the buckets are happy for that money to fill JMs and RKs pockets fine. I certainly won`t give the tossers a penny.

i thought that half the money from the bucket collections went into a players fund?
surely its worth putting money in if it will help ma strengthen the squad either for the play off push or for next season?
I'm sure many fans would give generously if it meant that we could bring in a 20+ goal a season striker!

for the love of Jesus ( Ive seen him at home on some Sundays)

Get real some of you,maybe the top poster on GPG should say why hes turned from against the board to sucking up ? In the last few days ????

 

['Ayes B]

Re: I think you're calling this wrong, Bish

Actually, I think Rogers emerges from all this with some credit. He took a back seat and let JM/SC run things. But having seen the mess over the ticket debacle, he has stepped in to sort things out and take the kind of action that we have been calling for. I would read that statement as a clear indication that the people whose heads we have been calling for have been moved sideways and out of the firing line, so that better people can take their places. It was probably impossible to do anything more drastic without incurring enormous legal bills.

I know that not everyone is going to agree with me, but I see this as a huge step forward. The club has admitted as far as it ever will do that statements were issued that were inaccurate and misleading, it has apologised and is implementing changes to make things better. I'm not sure what else we could realistically have hoped for.

And let's hope that Martin can sign the exciting player that is hinted at in Eddie's statement!

Ive read this thread through and I must agree with whats been said above.

Our new boardroom appointment is being slated and he hasn't even done anything.

Our chairmain is critised, as "he" invited NLB onto the board and not the BFC board. What were they supposed to do, adjurn the meeting, get into a Brentford Minibus, pop around to NLB's house and say "We want you to be in our gang".

Some people want blood and complain about the club not be proffessional, well in my view if anybody has been disciplined or chastised, then that should be a private and confidential matter - its what I'd expect from my employers.

We've moaned about unfair dismissal cases on here before and yet some seem to want the club to pay even more out at a tribunal.

Its now obvious that some peoples glasses are always going to be half full, which is a shame.

 

[Mark Bonner]

half empty more like.

rofl

 

[Banana]

GPG is becoming a bit of :zzzzz:

Please differentiate between the GPG as a whole and Ace Face - thanks!