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Don't forget they had the benefit of Rooney and Van Persie though, who've both barely featured this season. Carrick's absence has also been a big blow. Winning the title last year with that squad was an impressive achievement but without those three, I'm fairly sure even Fergie would struggle to achieve much with what's left.
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You can blame Moyes for all sorts of things, eg selection systems etc but in fairness he can't be held responsible that players earning in the region of £100k per week were unable to score a goal from 18 yards. Miss one is fair enough but to get 1 out of 5 beggars belief!!
Even England who are appalling in shoot outs do better than that!!!
Would imagine all is not well that side of Manchester!!
Even England who are appalling in shoot outs do better than that!!!
Would imagine all is not well that side of Manchester!!
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I thought Mike Phelan basically ran Man Utd last season and got the best out of the players rather than Sir Alex.
Gill was a huge loss for the transfer window. But the way Moyes replaced entire coaching staff is causing a lot of problems I reckon.
You really have to wonder why the youth policy at Man U has gone down so much from when the Nevilles, Beckham and Butt and Scholes came through.
Gill was a huge loss for the transfer window. But the way Moyes replaced entire coaching staff is causing a lot of problems I reckon.
You really have to wonder why the youth policy at Man U has gone down so much from when the Nevilles, Beckham and Butt and Scholes came through.
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As I just said on the MW thread...
absenteebee 11:27 Today
I don't feel any sympathy for Moyes re. the (relatively) sh*t squad Ferguson left him with. He knew what he was taking on and to make Felleini(sp?) one of his first signings spoke volumes. The players coming through the ranks at ManU will never match the Class of 92 standard but they certainly need to work on improving that aspect of the club too.
It is quite enjoyable seeing their fall and maybe WE can pick up some of their London/Home Counties fans who decide enough is enough.
absenteebee 11:27 Today
I don't feel any sympathy for Moyes re. the (relatively) sh*t squad Ferguson left him with. He knew what he was taking on and to make Felleini(sp?) one of his first signings spoke volumes. The players coming through the ranks at ManU will never match the Class of 92 standard but they certainly need to work on improving that aspect of the club too.
It is quite enjoyable seeing their fall and maybe WE can pick up some of their London/Home Counties fans who decide enough is enough.
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I agree on all these points, a lot of poor decisions at the club it seems and maybe it has been on the slide for some time covered by Fergie's knack of winning games when it matters.
There has been speculation that Moyes was surprised at some of the training routines and support systems in place and how they perhaps were not what you might expect at a club of that stature which may account for his wholesale changes. I am sure they will get back to winning ways but at the moment they are in a transition cycle which frankly is good for football. Every other club goes through it why shouldn't they. After his negative comments when we beat Everton at GP I am unsympathetic to Moyes although you do wonder about his health, he is ageing by the week.
Not sure their legions of fans will see it that way though as many will never have known times when they weren't winning.
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He's only been in the job 6 months ffs! He inherited an ailing, patched-up squad, which had only been held together by SAF's unrivalled nous and experience. He's suffered serious injury to his three truly top class players - RVP, Rooney and Vidic - and the exit of Gill has hampered his ability to buy players. Meanwhile, M.City and Arse have upped their performance from last season, whilst Chelsea may be getting there, and Liverpool may finally be stirring. On top of which, he is following in the footsteps of English football's most dominant and successful personality since Clough or Shankly.
I hold absolutely no brief for either man or club, but all these people who are piling I on him are clearly getting caught up in the "MU Myth", which dictates that this club is somehow different from other clubs, with the regular laws of football not applicable to them. For MU fans, this means that they must inevitably win games, even when their team isn't good enough to do so. And for non-MU fans, it means every failing is immediately elevated to Disaster Level.
People should cast their minds back a quarter of a Century, when a 40-something Scottish Manager, with an excellent track record behind him, took over a decent, but hardly top MU side. The club was near enough as "big" and wealthy as any other at the time, yet still it took him 6 (six) full seasons to create a League winning side.
No doubt the club Ferguson left behind is in better shape off-the-field (Training Ground, Medical, Sports Science, Coaching, Scouting etc) than that which he inherited, so it should not take Moyes so long to put things right on-the-field. But to imagine that he should already have done in 6 months what took SAF six years is bonkers (imo).
And if anyone is wondering why I should be so concerned by events at MU, it is because they surely reflect (albeit on a different scale) the principles behind what MB and MW appear to be seeking to implement at Brentford, which is that Football Clubs, like Ancient Rome, are never built in a day.
P.S. None of the above takes away anything from my delight at seeing the harrowed fizzog of Misery Moyes last night, as his team sprayed penalties all over Salford Docks...lol
I hold absolutely no brief for either man or club, but all these people who are piling I on him are clearly getting caught up in the "MU Myth", which dictates that this club is somehow different from other clubs, with the regular laws of football not applicable to them. For MU fans, this means that they must inevitably win games, even when their team isn't good enough to do so. And for non-MU fans, it means every failing is immediately elevated to Disaster Level.
People should cast their minds back a quarter of a Century, when a 40-something Scottish Manager, with an excellent track record behind him, took over a decent, but hardly top MU side. The club was near enough as "big" and wealthy as any other at the time, yet still it took him 6 (six) full seasons to create a League winning side.
No doubt the club Ferguson left behind is in better shape off-the-field (Training Ground, Medical, Sports Science, Coaching, Scouting etc) than that which he inherited, so it should not take Moyes so long to put things right on-the-field. But to imagine that he should already have done in 6 months what took SAF six years is bonkers (imo).
And if anyone is wondering why I should be so concerned by events at MU, it is because they surely reflect (albeit on a different scale) the principles behind what MB and MW appear to be seeking to implement at Brentford, which is that Football Clubs, like Ancient Rome, are never built in a day.
P.S. None of the above takes away anything from my delight at seeing the harrowed fizzog of Misery Moyes last night, as his team sprayed penalties all over Salford Docks...lol
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Apparently Moyes has guaranteed a place in a major European competition this year. All he has to do is write the song
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With a fit RVP they won the league.MUFC say he is fit he says not yet and it seems he doesn't want to play just yet,but when the time is right he will turn out just to make the flight to Brazil.Rooney is on his way I reckon.
So is Rio and then he can build a side to compete, but it will take a while and to attract decent players they need Champions League football.They may just scrape 4th this season.
He has a hard job on his hands.
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he made it even harder getting rid of Sir Alex's old staff, replacing them with his staff from Everton..
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To the Surrey Reds, a "sh*t season" amounts to having only won one domestic cup. I don't know why people seem to be so up in arms, it's not as if they haven't had a barrelload of success over the last twenty years...they'll be back to winning everything again soon enough.
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Apparently Police in Manchester have asked depressed fans of Manchester United if they can ring the" 101-non emergency number" instead of "999" after an irate fan last night rang "999" demanding to speak to "Alex Ferguson" - true story - taken from a local Manchester paper.
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Heard the phone conversation on Talksport as the Police have released it...I think he had had a few to drink.
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Share price down 16% since he took over. Plus now out the top three rich list. The powers to be do get itchy.
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he made it even harder getting rid of Sir Alex's old staff, replacing them with his staff from Everton..
He made a huge mistake doing that.
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You could say the same for Mourhino but it doesn't seem to stop him from organising that rabble into a decent hard to beat outfit.
But having said that he does need time to build his own squad but if Fellani at 25M is a sign of things to come they could turn into another expensive squad of nobodies.
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Out of top 3 but with increased revenue and profit. Bayern Munich phenomenal season isn't likely to be repeated this season is it?
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............................good mates with Tony Blair, isn't he?.............................
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If I was Matthew Benham, d'you know who I would've picked to replace Sralex?
Jürgen Klopp.
Jürgen Klopp.
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From Wikipedia - so must be true...
Klopp is a Protestant Christian who frequently confesses his faith in public. In a number of interviews and evangelical publications he refers to Jesus Christ as the basis of his life
For that reason, if I was a Man Utd fan - I am OUT
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The "problem" is that Man Utd fans are spoiled by success
They've had 25 years of dominance, winning every conceivable competition - some dramatic moments, some exciting nights.
Football always ends up with a winner and a loser, and maybe the knee jerk fans need to remember this and give their boss a few seasons to build his own team
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If he's still in place in six years time and still struggling as he is presently, then that would be a "fiasco".
But one way or the other, that isn't going to happen.
In the meantime, for the Board to lose its nerve after six months genuinely would constitute a fiasco.
As I have posted on here before, when Ferguson was first appointed, he was in his mid-40's and with an excellent CV behind him. He inherited a decent, if not outstanding, team (Robson, Whiteside and McGrath etc) and was given decent money to spend.
It still took him six full seasons before he won his first League title, during which time he had to endure loud and impassioned calls from a section of the club's fans for him to be sacked.
As for Moyes, it is interesting that reports suggest that the travelling MU fans still chanted his name after last night's bore-draw at the Emirates - perhaps they've learned from experience?
Meanwhile, fans* of The Arse booed their team off the pitch.
* - Probably the same fans who called for Wenger to be sacked, after they lost to Villa at the start of the season.
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Sir Matt Busby was a notably devout Roman Catholic, who amongst other things, once "dropped on his knees in the crowded tearoom at the Manchester United ground to kiss the ring on a bishop's hand" ( http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jan/14/manchester-united-manager-matt-busby )
Meanwhile, the rather more secular Sir Alex Ferguson frequently professed his support for New Labour and Tony Blair etc, including helping them with electioneering and so on.
Imo, neither should be any disbarment to their being Manager of a football club.
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Isn't religion a bit outdated now ?
Why should a functioning, logical manager believe in fairy stories from thousands of years ago.
Seems weird.
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Unlike burgers, blind faith doesn't have a sell by date. :thumbs:
Corrected for you.
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Unlike burgers, blind faith doesn't have a sell by date. :thumbs:
Corrected for you.
Remember A God is for life not just for Christians
Alleluia my son, up yours. :thumbs:
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Kevin Sheedy having a pop at Moyes now...
"Never interested in our youth team"
So we may have Moyes' lack of interest in the Everton youth team to thank for us signing Forshaw and Bidwell. :shrug:
"Never interested in our youth team"
So we may have Moyes' lack of interest in the Everton youth team to thank for us signing Forshaw and Bidwell. :shrug:
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He was clearly the right manager at the right time for......................... BFC!!!!!
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One average season, and now they are planning an anti-Moyes FLYPAST!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/27/manchester-united-plane-message-david-moyes-sacked
We all know they're glory hunters, but really, this is shameless. No class at all.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/27/manchester-united-plane-message-david-moyes-sacked
We all know they're glory hunters, but really, this is shameless. No class at all.
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Six year deal should cushion the blow should he get the hook. MU had little to choose from as there weren't exactly any managers around who had achieved success in the Premiership and the Champions League apart from Mourinho. You could make a case for Benitez and possibly Ancellotti but anyone else would have been as much a punt as Moyes.
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And who are they gonna get when moyes gets the boot? No standout candidates for me, gonna be very difficult for whoever comes in.
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Wonder whether Utd chose the right man, perhaps Martinez would have been the better bet ??
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Fergie won a good few Cups with Aberdeen, Moyes has won **** all and never beaten a team in the top 4 with Everton or Utd.. piss poor tbh..
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I replied to your post, didn't realise you had to care about something when posting?
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Moyes did a great job with Everton and was always going to struggle this season.
He needs at least until Jan 15 to be able to build his team.
This shouldn't surprise anyone who looks at that squad imho
He needs at least until Jan 15 to be able to build his team.
This shouldn't surprise anyone who looks at that squad imho