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This type of long range free-kick goal has happened before, where the goalkeeper and the defence doesn’t expect it, and will undoubtedly happen again in the future to some other team.

Raya has been brilliant, and it’s just a lesson learned so we’ll be ready for similar next time.

Because it was mentioned on TV tonight, I looked up the video of the 40 yard free-kick scored by Dieter Hamann for Germany v England in the last ever match at the old Wembley in 2000. That/s even further out than on Tuesday.

David Seaman is in goal and the ball finds it way through a lot of players, and Seaman can’t save it. Needless to say, he wasn’t expecting that shot with so many players in front of him.

Germany won 1-0.

It’s worth looking it up on YouTube. Particularly the one with the German commentary, as it shows the goal from all the angles.
 

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Oceanbee said:
This type of long range free-kick goal has happened before, where the goalkeeper and the defence doesn’t expect it, and will undoubtedly happen again in the future to some other team.

Raya has been brilliant, and it’s just a lesson learned so we’ll be ready for similar next time.

Because it was mentioned on TV tonight, I looked up the video of the 40 yard free-kick scored by Dieter Hamann for Germany v England in the last ever match at the old Wembley in 2000. That/s even further out than on Tuesday.

David Seaman is in goal and the ball finds it way through a lot of players, and Seaman can’t save it. Needless to say, he wasn’t expecting that shot with so many players in front of him.

Germany won 1-0.

It’s worth looking it up on YouTube. Particularly the one with the German commentary, as it shows the goal from all the angles.
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I dont need to look it up. I remember it so well.
 

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Really good to see him back. Certainly didn't look like he was sulking. Captain too. Just love the way he's always on the front foot and looking for a quick pass. Lovely ball out to Fosu which Tarique should prob have done better with but also some quick throws out, makes a big difference to our tempo. Fantastic save second half too!
 

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A good performance. Distributes the ball so well.
 

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Think Frank will have a really tough decision to make on Raya/Daniels, both are clearly capable. Although I find it hard to believe we'll leave him on the bench for a season and turn down large bids, I'm assuming in the event he doesn't go Raya will become a regular again.
 

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Edmundo said:
Daniels has done really well so far this season but Raya is a much much better keeper.
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Sadly for Daniels it really is as simple as that. Raya plays the game in a completely different way - and at a pace - to any other keeper we've ever had, and 90+% of other keepers out there. First line of attack. Any goalie wanting the Bees #1 shirt from now on needs to watch, learn and emulate...
 

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SH said:
Sadly for Daniels it really is as simple as that. Raya plays the game in a completely different way - and at a pace - to any other keeper we've ever had, and 90+% of other keepers out there. First line of attack. Any goalie wanting the Bees #1 shirt from now on needs to watch, learn and emulate...
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I think Daniels knows his role and accepts it happily. He's played very well when he has been needed and the quality of his performances show that he has worked hard to develop himself so that he is both an able deputy and someone who can provide Raya with the support needed to improve his own game and be at his best. He could easily go back to a regular starting spot in L1 if he wanted it. Could even do a decent job for several Championship clubs as a first choice. But I don't think I've ever heard even an inkling of a rumour that he wanted to do either. This way he has a good, secure career in the game at a high level, potentially for several years to come, as well as the opportunity, if he wants it, to learn from some great coaches so that he might himself move in that direction. It is not a bad life at all.
 

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AB said:
I think Daniels knows his role and accepts it happily. He's played very well when he has been needed and the quality of his performances show that he has worked hard to develop himself so that he is both an able deputy and someone who can provide Raya with the support needed to improve his own game and be at his best. He could easily go back to a regular starting spot in L1 if he wanted it. Could even do a decent job for several Championship clubs as a first choice. But I don't think I've ever heard even an inkling of a rumour that he wanted to do either. This way he has a good, secure career in the game at a high level, potentially for several years to come, as well as the opportunity, if he wants it, to learn from some great coaches so that he might himself move in that direction. It is not a bad life at all.
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Nice post. Says a lot about him and our club.
 

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Interesting choice for TF on Saturday.
 

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Can’t help thinking about how he played those penalties on Tuesday, every time he dived to his left..... and they were soft kicks and not that well taken kicks,except on the one occasion he went right and saved.
Game play or just good guess?
Just a thought , very happy with his play and not a criticism.
 

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Lush55 said:
Can’t help thinking about how he played those penalties on Tuesday, every time he dived to his left..... and they were soft kicks and not that well taken kicks,except on the one occasion he went right and saved.
Game play or just good guess?
Just a thought , very happy with his play and not a criticism.
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I always did and believe as a goalkeeper wait till the kick is taken, Like you say not more than 3 WBA were well hit and into the corner . If a corner is either hit off centre with power or placed into the side netting very few keepers will get to it

But well done David Raya you played an equal value in the shootout as those taking the penalties
 

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I also want Raya back but there was an additional dynamic to the slow distribution and build up play in that, understandably, there wasn't the same confidence in using Thompson as an outlet as there is when Rico plays.
 

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Isleworth_Bee said:
I didnt mind that. At least he made sure of it. Its our slow play from the back thats causing us issues.
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Never been completely convinced by this, although I'd agree Raya has the appearance of more urgency to release it when it's in his hands.

There has to be someone available to distribute it quickly to. How many players were making themselves available in a decent position? Might be a chicken & egg situation here. There were plenty of games early last season when Raya was just rolling it out to the back 4, who all passed it sideways, and it often came back to him. Pinnock's distribution today was a bit off too. It won't have helped that Henry was quickly off today, who would have been the obvious outlet to play out from the back.
 

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grutter said:
Never been completely convinced by this, although I'd agree Raya has the appearance of more urgency to release it when it's in his hands.

There has to be someone available to distribute it quickly to. How many players were making themselves available in a decent position? Might be a chicken & egg situation here. There were plenty of games early last season when Raya was just rolling it out to the back 4, who all passed it sideways, and it often came back to him. Pinnock's distribution today was a bit off too. It won't have helped that Henry was quickly off today, who would have been the obvious outlet to play out from the back.
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I know what you mean but LD is very slow with his goal kicks when Raya trusts the CBs. If it comes back then we go long but i would like to see us playing out.

Long balls just come straight back at us.
 

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He's our best keeper and offers a completely different dimension to Daniels. On the basis that he's staying, which TF assures us he is, he needs to be back in pronto. That's absolutely no criticism of Daniels, who sounds like a top, top pro, just a reflection of their respective merits. Thompson might do a great job covering for Henry, but I know who I'd pick if both were fit.
 

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HaylingBee74 said:
Also at least 1 corner given away from a tip over which Raya would have caught
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I have put the case for Raya myself as well. Definitely our number one. Only fair though, that we praise Luke for his solidity so far this season, and point out circumstances today which mitigated against quality distribution:
  1. Millwall pressed high and limited the availability of potential outlets
  2. The wind hampered accuracy when playing longer balls (themselves necessitated by Millwall's press)
 

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Raya is a class above on his day, but I don't think Luke should be dropped just yet. Regardless of their distribution stats which I don't think are as impactful as everyone seems to think, it would send a bad message to the team to just drop Luke after 5 solid performances.

Squad unity is an important factor to consider. Every player in the team needs to feel like they'll be given a fair crack when their opportunity comes. No one has a divine right to be starting, and Raya having to re-earn his place in the team will make him a better player in the long run. Raya will be our number one again soon, and we won't suffer with Luke getting a run.

But now I've written this Frank will almost certainly start Raya next league game ?
 

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Daniels has performed wonderfully but have to agree Raya at a different level in terms of distribution
 

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rodders said:
Daniels has performed wonderfully but have to agree Raya at a different level in terms of distribution
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No disagreement on that assessment. Daniels is a highly competent Championship keeper, Raya's speed and accuracy of distribution gives him an extra dimension. His style will probably result in conceding a couple of goals a year that Daniels would not concede but equally he will virtually give you two or three assists in a year through his distribution. I'm not sure I accept the argument that Daniels should be summarily stuck back on the bench and Raya given the No.1 jersey back, Raya will not doubt play against Fulham and have another chance to press his claims. Daniels continues to perform admirably, the competition will do them both good. Ultimately the latter will win his place back at some point but it is right that he 'wins' it back and is not just given it by right. This would send the wrong message out to the squad.
 

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detours said:
Raya is a class above on his day, but I don't think Luke should be dropped just yet. Regardless of their distribution stats which I don't think are as impactful as everyone seems to think, it would send a bad message to the team to just drop Luke after 5 solid performances.

Squad unity is an important factor to consider. Every player in the team needs to feel like they'll be given a fair crack when their opportunity comes. No one has a divine right to be starting, and Raya having to re-earn his place in the team will make him a better player in the long run. Raya will be our number one again soon, and we won't suffer with Luke getting a run.

But now I've written this Frank will almost certainly start Raya next league game ?
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I think when it comes to the league this season we need to avoid selections based on sentiment. We're always striving for that extra 'edge' no matter how small and if Raya provides that and he's fit, he should be in. No question..
 

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Mr Cynical said:
I think when it comes to the league this season we need to avoid selections based on sentiment. We're always striving for that extra 'edge' no matter how small and if Raya provides that and he's fit, he should be in. No question..
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By "we", I assume you mean the fans with their personal team selections. I seriously doubt that Thomas bases his squad and team selection on sentiment, although he may consider the next game with the current one.
 

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Mr Cynical said:
I think when it comes to the league this season we need to avoid selections based on sentiment. We're always striving for that extra 'edge' no matter how small and if Raya provides that and he's fit, he should be in. No question..
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Er who said anything about choosing a goalkeeper based on 'sentiment'? ?
 

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A good win tonight but could have been different if Raya didn't make that excellent save in the 2nd half. Daniels hasn't done anything wrong but time to start Raya in league games now.
 

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Indian Bee said:
A good win tonight but could have been different if Raya didn't make that excellent save in the 2nd half. Daniels hasn't done anything wrong but time to start Raya in league games now.
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He still gives me at least two heart attacks per match when he goes wandering
 
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1 great save, but thought he looked uncharacteristically uncertain tonight on a number of occasions.
 

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badgerbee said:
1 great save, but thought he looked uncharacteristically uncertain tonight on a number of occasions.
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His much vaunted distribution superiority to Daniels's style, wasn't there, tonight; a weird escapade to the corner when dealing with an attacker, that almost went wrong and a clearance straight to the opposition, amongst other foibles, but one great save.
 

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Thought he made the decision for Frank to keep Daniels in goal for now. Sure one very good save but he looked rusty in other areas of his role.
 

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Be surprised if Daniels doesn't start Sunday now, given Raya was picked tonight.
 

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Anybody else think Raya had lost weight. Slimmer version from last year. But I still think he will be No.1 either Sunday or very quickly after that. He needs to be playing to get to match sharpness and his quicker distribution is a big part of how we play
 

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Daniels seems to handle a lay-off better. There’s an international break coming. Will either get a game?
 

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Great news.
 
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