Eduardo..

[Les Beeavinu]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but it is also his Birthday today.

What a great present! :no:

Apparently he might have had to have his foot amputated :yuck:

Not a good time for my "get legless" joke then.

 

[VTG]

Slightly mistimed (by milliseconds) and a real shame for this to happen as Eduardo's a really good player, but I don't think the tackle has anything on the one done by Robert Huth on Michael Boulding (Mansfield v Middlesbrough, FA Cup), didn't even go for the ball and went in straight leg raised right into his stomach, should have been off.
Breaking a leg badly is just something that happens sometimes in football, shame when it does but there was no intent.
Breaking a rib is something that shouldn't happen when you're chasing promotion though

 

[finchbee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqF6y_j1zQ

I think Stephen Hunts tackle is worse !!

I just hope Eduardo makes a full recovery and that is what people should focus on and not getting taylor banned

 

[GP200]

Not a good time for my "get legless" joke then.

.........................and fancy free........................

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

Apparently he might have had to have his foot amputated :yuck:

where did you hear this mate?
"apparently" he might have to have the rest of his body amputated.

 

[bees 1992]

He should be back in 9 months

 

[Willo]

Now McLeish is sayng it was a harsh red card :scratch:

 

[wanderer paul]

He should be back in 9 months

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/7263029.stm

 

[hanworthbee]

there we go not as bad as we first thought, some on here going well OTT as per usual

 

[wanderer paul]

there we go not as bad as we first thought, some on here going well OTT as per usual

you forgot the





well what did you expect off us Bees supporters?

 

[VTG]

Now McLeish is sayng it was a harsh red card :scratch:

If he hadn't have injured him, it would have probably only been a yellow. I think the red only came out when the ref saw how bad it was.

 

[maddogging]

Massive respect to Eduardo for saying that he holds no grudges against Taylor, and that these tackles happen in football. Still won't stop the majority of presslines reporting how Taylor has a bounty on his head, and will surely have to leave the country to get out alive

 

[SmiffyBee]

there we go not as bad as we first thought, some on here going well OTT as per usual

Taylor went in OTT first

 

[Mr Tree]

for those saying it wasn't his intention, pray tell, what was his intention?!

ok, not to make eduardo's bones shatter grotesquely, but you can't say he was aiming for the little white thing cos it was on the ground and Taylor's leg wasn't....

as per Mr Maddogging, massive respect for Eduardo for accepting it as "one of those things", but over-the-top studs-up challenges should be discouraged...

 

[Datchetbee]

for those saying it wasn't his intention, pray tell, what was his intention?!

ok, not to make eduardo's bones shatter grotesquely, but you can't say he was aiming for the little white thing cos it was on the ground and Taylor's leg wasn't....

He tried to win the ball, studs up, miss-timed it and the most unfortunate thing happened.

 

[Mr Tree]

He tried to win the ball

i personally think that there's better ways to go about winning the ball than the way he chose. this is the message that the FA are (or should be) trying to convey...

i think he chose to try and win the ball in a way that ensured he'd get some man too. we all know it's a physical game too, but i definitely would prefer emphasis on skill rather than violence.

my own views on this come from too many bad 5-a-side experiences, where our footballing skills (stop laughing) were often defeated by sides who kicked first, played football second. that's not the game i love, though judging by some (many?) comments on here, i may be in a minority.

(it must be said, i like a good 50-50 challenge as much as the next man, but only when both players honestly challenge competitively for the ball......)

 

[Billy Hunt]

i personally think that there's better ways to go about winning the ball than the way he chose. this is the message that the FA are (or should be) trying to convey...

i think he chose to try and win the ball in a way that ensured he'd get some man too. we all know it's a physical game too, but i definitely would prefer emphasis on skill rather than violence.

my own views on this come from too many bad 5-a-side experiences, where our footballing skills (stop laughing) were often defeated by sides who kicked first, played football second. that's not the game i love, though judging by some (many?) comments on here, i may be in a minority.

(it must be said, i like a good 50-50 challenge as much as the next man, but only when both players honestly challenge competitively for the ball......)

Players have been sent off this season for jumping, studs-up challenges where there has been no contact, so I think the authorities are sending out the right message.

I do not think Taylor went in to get a bit of the man as well as the ball. Just a lumbering centre-back, pumped up in the early stages of a big game for his team, being too slow and out-classed by a better, quicker player.

Nothing like the Keane 'challenge', or even Hunty's distasteful effort.

 

[Datchetbee]

i personally think that there's better ways to go about winning the ball than the way he chose. this is the message that the FA are (or should be) trying to convey...

i think he chose to try and win the ball in a way that ensured he'd get some man too. we all know it's a physical game too, but i definitely would prefer emphasis on skill rather than violence.

Mmm..I guess we'll never know for certain?...I think he was Clumsy and just a bit too slow for Eduardo.

He is a great lump of a centre back and not the most stylish, but he has always seemed fair and 6 yellow cards in 9 years for a centre back would support that.

 

[Brentford St George]

Massive respect to Eduardo for saying that he holds no grudges against Taylor, and that these tackles happen in football. Still won't stop the majority of presslines reporting how Taylor has a bounty on his head, and will surely have to leave the country to get out alive

The back page of the Scum newspaper today epitimises everything wrong about our national gutter press :mad1: And no,i did'nt even waste 20p on it,just glanced and saw it in the staff room.

Shocking,but nothing should surprise with a paper that has printed lies,propoganda and manipulation for years.

 

[Wee Dave]

where did you hear this mate?
"apparently" he might have to have the rest of his body amputated.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3192885,00.html

Having your foot amputated and the rest of your body amputated is the same thing

 

[wibs]

The back page of the Scum newspaper today epitimises everything wrong about our national gutter press :mad1: And no,i did'nt even waste 20p on it,just glanced and saw it in the staff room.

Shocking,but nothing should surprise with a paper that has printed lies,propoganda and manipulation for years.

It was a complete disgrace that photo and headline 'He's at it again' It was so manipulative.

 

[Billy Hunt]

It was a complete disgrace that photo and headline 'He's at it again' It was so manipulative.

What? Explain please.

I don't buy papers (news or rolling ) anymore.

 

[oldgreenfordian]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3192885,00.html

Having your foot amputated and the rest of your body amputated is the same thing

Beg to differ, m'lud.
If the foot is amputated, the foot is binned,but if the "rest of your body" is amputated, the "rest of your body" is binned.
A nicety perhaps, but exact.
Pettifogging I know, but it's my nicest quality.:sad:

 

[Wee Dave]

Beg to differ, m'lud.
If the foot is amputated, the foot is binned,but if the "rest of your body" is amputated, the "rest of your body" is binned.
A nicety perhaps, but exact.
Pettifogging I know, but it's my nicest quality.:sad:

But if you are put into a bin you can get up and walk away

Don't you pettifog me missus

 

[oldgreenfordian]

But if you are put into a bin you can get up and walk away

Don't you pettifog me missus

I believe the act of walking walking requires feet, which in this case "the rest of your body" has been amputated from.
Furthermore, should you continue in this argumentative mode, I shall send my Baker Street Irregulars around to egg you again, but this time more comprehensively.
I remain, Sir..........................

 

[beeeehive]

Tackle the week before from Eduardo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN40jsmVe6I

 

[JBN]

Looks like he is being chraged with decieving the ref over his dive.

Arsenal should be banned from Euro footy for 12 months.

He'll probably get a fine of 3 shillings and sixpence and a 3 game ban.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Looks like he is being chraged with decieving the ref over his dive.

Arsenal should be banned from Euro footy for 12 months.

He'll probably get a fine of 3 shillings and sixpence and a 3 game ban.

I've no objection to him being penalised after the event - though it's hard to see why it should be more than a retrosepctive yellow card (what he'd have got if the ref had seen it correctly) - but UEFA have got to be consistent... will they deal with all dives or just those that win penalties? (in the average game there are probably several dives, more cases of exaggeration, and numerous ludicrous false appeals for throws etc)

 

[Nada Bee]

Yellow card + automatic 2 game ban for anyone found guilty of diving. Full stop.

would stop people doing it.

 

[GP200]

..............naughty boy......................

 

[nick logan]

Wenger is now saying " he was touched " . Great manager but a massive **** at times like this.

 

[weymouth bee]

Looks like he is being chraged with decieving the ref over his dive.

Arsenal should be banned from Euro footy for 12 months.

He'll probably get a fine of 3 shillings and sixpence and a 3 game ban.

Hope he is charged over it.........

 

[exiledbee]

I guess I'm alone in thinking that he tripped when his trailing foot caught the ground. Definitely not a dive , in my book, but definitely not a penalty either.

 

[Porgey]

IMO football has allowed this thing to go on for too long that it has become accepted - in the similar way drug-taking was accepted in Cycling and Cross Country Skiing for many years before a clean up was attempted.

Rugby is seeing a similar thing with Bloodgate.

The only way to solve this would be to state punishments in advance and apply them consistently.

A well-taken dive has a sporting and financial impact far greater than cheating as mentioned above so punishments should be the same. So a 2 year ban for repeat offence would seem reasonable...

Trouble is proving it so I can't see this ever happnening.

 

[JBN]

It has the potential to open up a whole can of worms if the governing body take retrspective action.rofl

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

I guess I'm alone in thinking that he tripped when his trailing foot caught the ground. Definitely not a dive , in my book, but definitely not a penalty either.

His right foot might have grazed the keeper's elbow, but he was already on his way down. Only (not very credible) excuse IMHO would be that he knew he was going to be flattened and get a pen, so thought he'd get the prize without the risk of injury. I think that's only viable when, like Gerrard at Sheff Utd a couple of years ago, you are genuinely leaping over a sliding tackle and fall as a result, whereas Eduardo went into dive mode

 

[TW1Bee]

As far as I'm concerned I think Eduardo is being made a scapegoat and yes, I agree with Arsne Wenger in that this is a result of a witch hunt by the media. We see so much of it in CL, FL WC and Euro matches, even in L1 for God's sake. If you ask me the biggest dive I've seen was Steven Gerrard's last year in the injury time against A. Madrid (?). Oh no !! We can't say anything against our darling Stevie butter wouldn't melt in his mouth, couldn't possibly have been guilty of assaulting someone in a bar, etc, etc.
Come to think of it Michael Owen knows how to do it also.

BTW Diving is cheating and should be outlawed.

 

[rebus]

As far as I'm concerned I think Eduardo is being made a scapegoat

It will be interesting to see if similar action is taken against our latin cousins.

 

[hanworthbee]

if this is what happens to divers then the spanish and italians will have half there team suspended every game or does it only count when you score from a dive?

 

[JBN]

if this is what happens to divers then the spanish and italians will have half there team suspended every game or does it only count when you score from a dive?

Champions League Final could end up being a 5 aside match.

 

[mhead bee]

UEFA have got to be consistent... will they deal with all dives or just those that win penalties? )

or just the ones involving english teams......... platini

 

[mhead bee]

It will be interesting to see if similar action is taken against our latin cousins.

Or ashley young after last night.

 

[Bungy Bee]

The SFA started the moaning about the penalty and said that UEFA should act on it.....like it never happens in jock footy...maybee they wont find the 'hand of God so funny anymore...

 

[JTofBFC]

Difficult one this. I don't agree he is being made a scapegoat though. He did the crime.

If the ref had seen it as a dive at the time (as maybe he should have) Eduardo would have got a yellow card. He got away with it and his team benefited so we either take the view that what's done is done and no punishment is OK or we take the view that it is high time that UEFA took a harder line on something that has a massive potential effect on the finances of clubs.

It is something that needs to be stamped out and a tougher line should have been taken by UEFA ages ago. If they are going to do it now and Eduardo gets a 2 match ban then fair play to them. Tough for Eduardo but maybe he might learn from it. He can't argue and neither can Wenger. Agree UEFA need to be consistent though and start applying this regularly, at least in situations where the diver has conned the ref.

I can't see the point in criticising anything that clamps down on one of the biggest scourges of our game.

 

[rebus]

We all agree cheating should be stamped out but will this video citation be applied purely for simulation or will all incidents be punished from now on that the referee missed? I've just seen Messi try to head butt a Shaktar player - that was a red card offence so will he be punished retrospectively?

The media and some well-placed Scottish officials within UEFA has caused a pretty knee-jerk reaction.

 

[SCBee]

...... I've just seen Messi try to head butt a Shaktar player .......

Didn't see it myself but was the Shaktar player on his knees at the time?

 

[TW3Bee]

I say ban Eduardo from the next two internationals.

 

[exiledbee]

I say ban him from representing Croatia, as he isn't Croatian.

 

[Will Bee]

Could all this diving controversy be bad news for Ryan Dickson?

 

[TW1Bee]

We all agree cheating should be stamped out but will this video citation be applied purely for simulation or will all incidents be punished from now on that the referee missed? I've just seen Messi try to head butt a Shaktar player - that was a red card offence so will he be punished retrospectively?

The media and some well-placed Scottish officials within UEFA has caused a pretty knee-jerk reaction.

I think the ref gave him and Srna a yellow card for the incident therefore UEFA can't/won't take further action.