Ethan Pinnock

Ethan Pinnock

Ethan got a ball in an uncomfortable place this evening which resulted in him being bent over double for 2-3 mins; he was then smashed in the head leading to an extended injury "time out"

My only question is to the coaching staff and if we would have been better off subbing him off at that time. But they have all the data and facts.....so hey. The OG was a bit odd too. Therefore my conclusion is that the OG would never have happened if he had come off in the first half and replaced by Ajer. Then we would also have won 27-0
 
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Banana said:
Ethan got a ball in an uncomfortable place this evening which resulted in him being bent over double for 2-3 mins; he was then smashed in the head leading to an extended injury "time out"

My only question is to the coaching staff and if we would have been better off subbing him off at that time. But they have all the data and facts.....so hey. The OG was a bit odd too. Therefore my conclusion is that the OG would never have happened if he had come off in the first half and replaced by Ajer. Then we would also have won 27-0
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Recognise your post is partly in jest but also something to it. When Pinnock was down with his head injury had a throw away chat with my neighbour that it was a no blame opportunity to change things that clearly weren’t working. Think it was 0-0 or 0-1 at the time.

Usually a first half sub is a crushing blow to the player replaced. In this instance, could be spun as player welfare and the chance to bring Ouattara or Jensen on to move us a higher up the pitch.
 

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The OG was NOT his fault. It was down to Nathan missing his clearing header.

But! Ethan disappeared from the starting XI as TF “added layers” and you can see why.
His passing is not up to it. When pressed, he coughs up possession too much.

If Keith insists on 5 at the back, Í´d far prefer Hickey to play the left side CB.
 

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davido_i said:
The OG was NOT his fault. It was down to Nathan missing his clearing header.

But! Ethan disappeared from the starting XI as TF “added layers” and you can see why.
His passing is not up to it. When pressed, he coughs up possession too much.

If Keith insists on 5 at the back, Í´d far prefer Hickey to play the left side CB.
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I could see evolution if Hickey played in Ethan's place, I don't know if it is optimal though. It would allow a switch to 4-3-3 in game 👍

Whether it would work though 🤷
 

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taxi driver said:
I could see evolution if Hickey played in Ethan's place, I don't know if it is optimal though. It would allow a switch to 4-3-3 in game 👍

Whether it would work though 🤷
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I’d prefer it if ‘Ethan’s place’ didn’t exist and we reverted to our two best centre backs.
 

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I don't see a place for his almost old fashioned style of centre back play in the Premier League. Ajer has to be the choice ahead of him but if it's the left foot we need, then let's start to play Arthur.
 
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Les Beeavinu said:
I don't see a place for his almost old fashioned style of centre back play in the Premier League. Ajer has to be the choice ahead of him but it it's the left foot we need, then let's start to play Arthur.
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I’d certainly see him getting minutes and building them up over this season.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
I don't see a place for his almost old fashioned style of centre back play in the Premier League. Ajer has to be the choice ahead of him but it it's the left foot we need, then let's start to play Arthur.
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The whole "left foot" thing doesnt really help when all its doing is hoofing it down the line to nobody
 

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Even the top racehorses get put out to grass eventually. It’s just a case of knowing when to do it. The meadow has been calling for Ethan for the last year.
 

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Think what doesn’t help his game is his ability with the ball.

Often either drills it down the line or sticks out a leg and hooks it into the air.

Just feels a bit frantic when once he was imperious
 

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Love Ethan and I’ll argue with anyone out there that he was a top tier CB two years ago. Unfortunately it has been a tough two years, and I simply do not see him as a player that can be relied upon anymore. Would take Ajer over him without a doubt, would prefer Arthur gets a chance to perform as well instead of sticking with someone who is simply not up for it anymore out of familiarity.

it’s a brutal league and unless we operate brutally then we won’t survive.
 

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No disrespect to Ethan, he's been superb for us in his time here, but I'm hoping that KA can see that that time should now be up; coupled with Benjamin Arthur's performance against Villa during the week, I don't want to see Ethan anywhere near the 1st team, unless all others have broken legs etc., in future; perhaps a coaching role is now more appropriate for him?
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
I don't see a place for his almost old fashioned style of centre back play in the Premier League. Ajer has to be the choice ahead of him but if it's the left foot we need, then let's start to play Arthur.
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In that vein, I watched Ji Soo have a stormer for Kaiserslautern on Friday night.
Admittedly Bundesliga 2, but he was playing LCB (& LB & Lmidf!)….
 

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Was shocked when he was not replaced at half time. Fulham were targetting him as a weakness in defence. Like others I don't see him as a starting option.
 

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Having watched him last week, he played left centre back and received and played 90% of balls off his left side so a talented lad.
 
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aawharris said:
The whole "left foot" thing doesnt really help when all its doing is hoofing it down the line to nobody
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Well, right footed LCB is not playing the ball down the line it would be closed off full stop.

As for Pinnock, Collins not clearing or not. Why was he ducking? And for the fourth disallowed by VAR. We chase the ball across the pitch, they give it back to us - great, perfect thatis what we are set up to do. Then Pinnock headed it straight back to them. Wasted everything we are trying to do, we can't play a pressing style like that if we cannot keep the ball. It knocks our confidence too much and we are knackered.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
Having watched him last week, he played left centre back and received and played 90% of balls off his left side so a talented lad.
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Yes, decent with both feet but stronger on his right. Very exciting prospect.
 

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hanworthbee said:
Really unlucky with that own goal kind of summed up our night
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Not quite sure what happened with the o.g.

Seemed to get into a very strange position, when the ball came into the box, and much like their first goal at CC last season, the ball could have gone anywhere.
 

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It's strange when you look at the Nathan Collins thread, most people seem to be making excuses for him in what was a very poor performance, where you could argue he was at fault for all three goals. But on Ethan's thread, many have already concluded he's finished, which is absolute rubbish in my opinion.
 

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With the full benefit of hindsight and if we could play that game again ( one mulligan a season ?!!) I’d be vey tempted to play Ethan and say to him ‘ just stand on that Mateta chaps toes all afternoon!’ Big Ethan loves a physical , arial battle and I suspect he may have coped better than Nathan did who had a pretty tough afternoon.
Wishful thinking of course !!
 

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I completely get why you wouldn’t want to throw him in at the Emirates for a PL debut, but going forward if we are to rotate I’d much rather see us be a bit more bold and give Benjy a go instead. As much as I love Ethan I’d be surprised if he was still here next season.
 

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WOW can’t believe what I’m reading!! Ethan poor guy thrown in against probably the best team in Europe at the moment, with Rico both not having many minutes on the pitch keeping it at 1-0 then replaced and we lose 2-0, give it a rest and grow up, 5 at the back we really hanging on 🤬🐝🐝
 

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Slightly surprised that Pinnock played in the centre of the 3. Meant right footed Van den Berg was on the left and several times Pinnock found himself to the right of the penalty area and had to come back inside on his left rather than naturally moving out to the right.
Wouldn’t have made a difference to the result but Pinnock on the left, Van den Berg in the middle and Ajer on the right of the 3 centre backs would feel more naturally balanced.
 

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BuzzingBee95 said:
Ethan is one of my top 3 Bees in recent years.

But if he is only going to make the odd start, I’m not sure away to Arsenal is the right place. What can we really expect from him?
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That’s a question for the manager, but like throwing the Christian to the lions if you ask me 🤔
 

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AlwaysBees said:
WOW can’t believe what I’m reading!! Ethan poor guy thrown in against probably the best team in Europe at the moment, with Rico both not having many minutes on the pitch keeping it at 1-0 then replaced and we lose 2-0, give it a rest and grow up, 5 at the back we really hanging on 🤬🐝🐝
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What do you mean "grow up"???

At fault for first goal, stood waiting for the ball and therefore let let Merino nip in front of hin

Do you think he is worth keeping next season based on the last 12 months (not the previous five years)

Regards

Wibs, aged 7
 

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wibs said:
What do you mean "grow up"???

At fault for first goal, stood waiting for the ball and therefore let let Merino nip in front of hin

Do you think he is worth keeping next season based on the last 12 months (not the previous five years)

Regards

Wibs, aged 7
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Most of us think the same he’s been a brilliant signing but time has caught up with him.Would have preferred to have given Arthur a chance last night.
 
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Ethan Pinnock

The first goal it looked our central defenders were auditioning to be the Angels from Dr Who. Terrible. And Pinnock was the heart of that. Its like Kyle Walker for Man City that once the legs go there is not enough else left.
 

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Of course it was a tough ask last night but what’s he for if not to play ? I feel this will be the last season for a few of our favourite promotion winning players
 

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AlwaysBees said:
WOW can’t believe what I’m reading!! Ethan poor guy thrown in against probably the best team in Europe at the moment, with Rico both not having many minutes on the pitch keeping it at 1-0 then replaced and we lose 2-0, give it a rest and grow up, 5 at the back we really hanging on 🤬🐝🐝
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I’ve seen this before, it’s fatal. I’m sorry to say you have all the Symptoms of “Best bees supporter syndrome”. It happens to those who like to think that always jumping to a defence, rubbishing everyone else makes them a ‘better’ supporter.

Telling signs are:

- beginning a post by chastening everyone else.
- Not providing any insight at all
- telling others how to act
- often the inclusion of emojis, for the most unhinged

You’ll start to lose all objectivity, impulsive outbursts will increase. As of yet, we’re yet to find a cure
 
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At fault for the first goal but I thought he improved considerably after that with his ‘keep it simple’ defending. Clearly playing centrally to utilise the greater mobility of Ajer and vdBerg, neither of whom played that well either… but it was Arsenal at home so I’m not sure and defender looks good after that. He’s still got a role to play this season.
 

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BuzzingBee95 said:
I’ve seen this before, it’s fatal. I’m sorry to say you have all the Symptoms of “Best bees supporter syndrome”. It happens to those who like to think that always jumping to a defence, rubbishing everyone else makes them a ‘better’ supporter.

Telling signs are:

- beginning a post by chastening everyone else.
- Not providing any insight at all
- telling others how to act
- often the inclusion of emojis, for the most unhinged

You’ll start to lose all objectivity, impulsive outbursts will increase. As of yet, we’re yet to find a cure
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I dislike the GPG after we lose a game due to the infighting and try to stay clear particularly in the hours after a match when some posters have had a few drinks. I can understand supporters being disappointed but I prefer to see the positives, even if small, of any defeat.

We need to understand that many on here, myself included, have spent the vast majority of our supporting life firstly at school, at work, playing sport, etc having the piss taken out of us for supporting Brentford, which we tried to defend against the supporters of other clubs who in the most part won trophies, had star international players and more fans. Yes we were sh*t for the majority of that time with the odd promotion or cup run to celebrate which meant more to us than those supporters used to regularly winning trophies. So it is the DNA of many of us to defend unwarranted criticism of the club and players during a period playing at a level most of us couldn't have dreamed of during the majority of our supporting life.
 

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jlove said:
At fault for the first goal but I thought he improved considerably after that with his ‘keep it simple’ defending. Clearly playing centrally to utilise the greater mobility of Ajer and vdBerg, neither of whom played that well either… but it was Arsenal at home so I’m not sure and defender looks good after that. He’s still got a role to play this season.
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Yes, he definitely got better as the game went on, which isn’t surprising given it was his first start since (I think) West Ham. And he’s been a great player for us, fully deserving of a chance to pit himself against some of the best in Europe.
 

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BuzzingBee95 said:
I’ve seen this before, it’s fatal. I’m sorry to say you have all the Symptoms of “Best bees supporter syndrome”. It happens to those who like to think that always jumping to a defence, rubbishing everyone else makes them a ‘better’ supporter.

Telling signs are:

- beginning a post by chastening everyone else.
- Not providing any insight at all
- telling others how to act
- often the inclusion of emojis, for the most unhinged

You’ll start to lose all objectivity, impulsive outbursts will increase. As of yet, we’re yet to find a cure
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grow up
:sneakoff:
 

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brentford born & bred said:
I dislike the GPG after we lose a game due to the infighting and try to stay clear particularly in the hours after a match when some posters have had a few drinks. I can understand supporters being disappointed but I prefer to see the positives, even if small, of any defeat.

We need to understand that many on here, myself included, have spent the vast majority of our supporting life firstly at school, at work, playing sport, etc having the piss taken out of us for supporting Brentford, which we tried to defend against the supporters of other clubs who in the most part won trophies, had star international players and more fans. Yes we were sh*t for the majority of that time with the odd promotion or cup run to celebrate which meant more to us than those supporters used to regularly winning trophies. So it is the DNA of many of us to defend unwarranted criticism of the club and players during a period playing at a level most of us couldn't have dreamed of during the majority of our supporting life.
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No-one is saying Pinnock is useless get rid, waste of space (this isnt X or FB after all) but surely we can make observations that his time is coming to an end, not all "criticism" needs to be nasty or spiteful ( I was going to say vituperative but im not entirely sure I know what it means).
 
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