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[Jimbee]

No offence to you matt either.

a) you are wrong

b) I asked you a question and you haven't answered it.

 

[mattbee]

1. I knew stories about David Webb while people wouldnt believe it and supported him, i know this is slightly different but what im saying is when he leaves the players will dish the dirt and you will go ' oh right so he was a rubbish manager after all' but it will be too late is what i fear.

 

[New Roader]

1. I knew stories about David Webb while people wouldnt believe it and supported him, i know this is slightly different but what im saying is when he leaves the players will dish the dirt and you will go ' oh right so he was a rubbish manager after all' but it will be too late is what i fear.

Care to share these stories with us?

 

[mattbee]

id like to but im guessing i wouldnt be allowed to say them.

 

[Hamburger Hill]

1. I knew stories about David Webb while people wouldnt believe it and supported him, i know this is slightly different but what im saying is when he leaves the players will dish the dirt and you will go ' oh right so he was a rubbish manager after all' but it will be too late is what i fear.

that's ok then....

i've tried to make it easy for you to rationalise your argument Matt, as you're not able to grasp the nettle I can only assume you're talking out of your ar$e....

if you can't make a valid argument here you might be better posting your 'opinions' somewhere less challenging like Beesotted

(oh a tip for you...if you want to cover yourself re Wally's failings just say it is alleged that XXXX - see it isnt hard)

on the other hand fair play to you for actually attending the forum - unlike around 4400 others who didnt!

 

[mattbee]

ok first problem i got with wally : the captaincy, he said he is waiting for Dobbo to come to him and say 'boss its affecting my game can you take it away from me'. No player is going to do that and to expect Dobbo to do that is ridicoulous. Good managers make decisions! he should be that one telling Dobbo not the other way around!

 

[Simon T]

The one thing what was quite worrying about last night was when Stephen Callen went into a few more details about the Bees United statement from yesterday. The loan note money is already in the £115k already contributed from the club, we need another £225k to get through the year and he expected standing orders/gigs/walks etc to raise about £125k of it. This leaves us £100k short and although he said BU would carry on fundraising it is a big ask to get them to double their income over the next year, even assuming we can get the average crowd to 5500. I guess we are reliant on getting a good figure for the roof sponsorship as without that things look bleak.

Other info from last night: we had 150 fans of other teams at the game on Saturday, despite our view of the game the people the committee spoke to seemed quite positive and they will be doing something similar again. They will be introducing a carnet type scheme too - 10 vouchers for £150 that can be used as match tickets or in the club shop, stripes & food areas. Lionel Road was described as going well in all areas apart from one - the link with the developer buying the site. The developer has not completed the purchase yet which is the main delay and still hasn't decided what to do with the site, although his architect has verified that we could fit a stadium in there. There was also a suggestion that taking vacant possession of the site might not be 100% straight forward.

 

[Hamburger Hill]

ok first problem i got with wally : the captaincy, he said he is waiting for Dobbo to come to him and say 'boss its affecting my game can you take it away from me'. No player is going to do that and to expect Dobbo to do that is ridicoulous. Good managers make decisions! he should be that one telling Dobbo not the other way around!

total bull$hit matt - Wally was asked by a lady whether Dobbo was weighed down by the captaincy - in her opinion it was...

he said Dobbo was proud to be asked to be captain but if (IF) he came to him and said he wanted to step down he would have to respect that...

any good player/captain would be the first to put his hand up if he was struggling...imagine if Wally just decided to give the armband to somebody else...you'd probably be posting that he has totally demotivated one of our best players....

you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself here - why don't you give up while you're behind? unless you have something truly extraordinary to say?

 

[Hamburger Hill]

The one thing what was quite worrying about last night was when Stephen Callen went into a few more details about the Bees United statement from yesterday. The loan note money is already in the £115k already contributed from the club, we need another £225k to get through the year and he expected standing orders/gigs/walks etc to raise about £125k of it. This leaves us £100k short and although he said BU would carry on fundraising it is a big ask to get them to double their income over the next year, even assuming we can get the average crowd to 5500. I guess we are reliant on getting a good figure for the roof sponsorship as without that things look bleak.

i suppose the money will come from either

a) the roof or other commercial coup
b) a decent cup run?
b) selling a player?
c) more fundraising?

or possibly a combination of the above

 

[New Roader]

total bull$hit matt - Wally was asked by a lady whether Dobbo was weighed down by the captaincy - in her opinion it was...

he said Dobbo was proud to be asked to be captain but if (IF) he came to him and said he wanted to step down he would have to respect that...

any good player/captain would be the first to put his hand up if he was struggling...imagine if Wally just decided to give the armband to somebody else...you'd probably be posting that he has totally demotivated one of our best players....

you're just digging a deeper hole for yourself here - why don't you give up while you're behind? unless you have something truly extraordinary to say?

Agree.
If you have something to say then say it instead of suggesting that you have form of inside info without backing it up.

 

[mattbee]

that last comment was true everyone i knew heard him say it! ok number 2 the way in which he talked about certain players especially Mark Peters and Eddie Hutchinson was a disgrace and unprofessional. If Mark hears any of that from last night he will feel like he has no future at our club. And on Eddie Hutchinson im not going to quote the remark he made about him because even though i dont rate him for his manager to say that is very unfair and not funny. If Eddie hears that it will surely knock his confidence! The man is supposed to motivate and encourage but he cant his man mangement is apalling.

 

[KcBee]

What did Wally say last night about Peters that was so bad? i could tell you a lot worst about him, and i didn't even hear what wally said!

 

[mattbee]

He basically ran him down as a player saying he is no good unless he scores goals and dismissed giving him a decent run in the side. To me it is clear that Downes would rather have players who try hard and plod about without much skill than a mixture of hard working players and people who have got that something extra to win games.

 

[Ace Face]

I will say it.
Wally said " Sometimes Eddie is like a dog chasing a motorbike"

It was a lighthearted remark and he also said how much he rated the workrate of Eddie & Jay.

For gods sake MattBee, we are talking about grown men in a tough sport. I am sure Eddie would not be driven to tears by this light humoured remark.

I think if you were honest you just want Wally out no matter what he says or does.

I just hope from last night fans finally understand the hard work that is going on by the BU behind the scenes and that JM, BB, SC is not BU.

 

[Hamburger Hill]

He basically ran him down as a player saying he is no good unless he scores goals and dismissed giving him a decent run in the side. To me it is clear that Downes would rather have players who try hard and plod about without much skill than a mixture of hard working players and people who have got that something extra to win games.

again matt you are talking total bull$hit...i am not prepared to point by point rebuff any more of your made up stories....

Wally was comparing Kev O'Connor "who does everything required of a centre forward in terms of effort,tracking back etc etc and doesn't score" with Mark Peters who doesnt offer all the 'extras' but will score a goal....

if you are going to use Wally's comments to stir the pot then at least get your facts straight...

 

[Hamburger Hill]

I will say it.
Wally said " Sometimes Eddie is like a dog chasing a motorbike"

It was a lighthearted remark and he also said how much he rated the workrate of Eddie & Jay.

spot on bish - i'm starting to understand how frustrated you get sometimes mate - these people were in the room and yet only seem to hear differently to the rest of us...

 

[mattbee]

i am frustrated with people like you. will you admit that although he said he wanted a 28 - 29 year old experienced midfielder, he is not capable of working with senior players because they dont respect him and so he prefers the younger players who he can order around and wont talk back to him.

 

[New Roader]

I will say it.
Wally said " Sometimes Eddie is like a dog chasing a motorbike"

It was a lighthearted remark and he also said how much he rated the workrate of Eddie & Jay.

For gods sake MattBee, we are talking about grown men in a tough sport. I am sure Eddie would not be driven to tears by this light humoured remark.

I think if you were honest you just want Wally out no matter what he says or does.

I just hope from last night fans finally understand the hard work that is going on by the BU behind the scenes and that JM, BB, SC is not BU.

I have to agree with this.
Mattbee it is clear that you want Wally out, but twisting his comments around is no help at all.
I was not at the event yesterday, but reading the comments on here from others it is clear to me that Wally was not undermining any players, and lets face it why would he.

 

[Hamburger Hill]

i am frustrated with people like you. will you admit that although he said he wanted a 28 - 29 year old experienced midfielder (yes this is fact)

he is not capable of working with senior players because they dont respect him (that is your opinion)and so he prefers the younger players who he can order around and wont talk back to him.(that is your opinion)

for gods sake give it a rest - you are only embarrasing yourself now!:blush :blush :blush

 

[Jimbee]

i am frustrated with people like you. will you admit that although he said he wanted a 28 - 29 year old experienced midfielder, he is not capable of working with senior players because they dont respect him and so he prefers the younger players who he can order around and wont talk back to him.

I wasn't there but if he actually said that, then I believe everything else you have said on this thread so far.

Which I don't.

 

[New Roader]

i am frustrated with people like you. will you admit that although he said he wanted a 28 - 29 year old experienced midfielder, he is not capable of working with senior players because they dont respect him and so he prefers the younger players who he can order around and wont talk back to him.

What like Rougier?

 

[mattbee]

dont you remember then few seasons back under Ray Lewington we were due to play away at Swansea. an incident occured which resulted in Lewington not travelling as manager and Wally Downes was put in temporary charge. All the players at the time which had quite a few senior pros in it rebelled and we lost 6 - 0 i think it was to a relegated Swansea team. They didnt want to play for Downes and they made their point that they had no respect for him.

 

[Ace Face]

Wally can`t work with 28-29 year olds because he couldn`t afford one. I think the respect comment is laughable.

I just wish you would have asked Wally the question Mattbee "Do you sign kids because you are frightened of grown men?"

 

[Jimbee]

dont you remember then few seasons back under Ray Lewington we were due to play away at Swansea. an incident occured which resulted in Lewington not travelling as manager and Wally Downes was put in temporary charge. All the players at the time which had quite a few senior pros in it rebelled and we lost 6 - 0 i think it was to a relegated Swansea team. They didnt want to play for Downes and they made their point that they had no respect for him.

rofl

And that's a fact is it?

 

[Jimbee]

mattbee, have you ever thought of becoming a journalist?

 

[mattbee]

oh forget it its a waste of time. ill just ask one question. how many more games do we have to lose before people will want him out?

 

[PAZ]

He also emphasised that people shouldn't over-estimate his role stating that he took the warm ups each morning and pre-match and that other than that had little or no influence over the players as a team or individuals. The string of results since he has left were unrelated to his departure

To be honest, I thought Wally wasn't being entirely truthful here.

Yeah right, the results have just been a coincidence.

Yeah right, he was paid a fairly decent sum of money just to do the warm-ups.

Yeah right, he didn't instill a positive enthusiasm that Wally and GT cannot match when doing this.

Yeah right, that'll be why he was involved with the England setup.

Yeah right, that's why Steve Coppell was delighted to have him back and why his return to Brighton last season saw an even better turn around in fortunes than Coppell's arrival. You can get any old guy JUST to do the warm up.

 

[New Roader]

mattbee, have you ever thought of becoming a journalist?

Or a Politician

 

[Ace Face]

Hamburger Hill - I don`t mind balanced comments. But christ it isn`t as if Wally has a three year contract, spent thousands, inherited a good team and has cash to play with.

My only concern is if we get rid of Wally (forgetting about the cashflow effect), we are not guaranteed a good replacement.

I though Rodgers was dreadful last night.

 

[Hamburger Hill]

mattbee, have you ever thought of becoming a journalist?

i'd suggest novelist jim - he's a natural writer of fiction...

i know we shouldn't rofl but sometimes if i didn't i think i'd cry

 

[PAZ]

So what exactly was said about Beadle then.
I see his is not going to get offered another contract but what did Wally have to say

He said he only signed him last minute as a stop gap when Henderson and Vine fell through, and that he would not renew the contract because it would take another 6 weeks to get him match fit again (rather than because he's sh*t etc.).

 

[Hamburger Hill]

oh forget it its a waste of time. ill just ask one question. how many more games do we have to lose before people will want him out?

well i'd love to think we'd go through the rest of the season undefeated

that's about as likely as you posting something with a semblance of truth rofl rofl rofl

 

[Hamburger Hill]

.I though Rodgers was dreadful last night.

Did he say anything Bish? I was a bit late and must've missed it?

 

[West Ealing Bee]

He said he only signed him last minute as a stop gap when Henderson and Vine fell through, and that he would not renew the contract because it would take another 6 weeks to get him match fit again (rather than because he's sh*t etc.).

If he's not match fit now he desrves to be shown the door.

Peter.

 

[PAZ]

that last comment was true everyone i knew heard him say it! ok number 2 the way in which he talked about certain players especially Mark Peters and Eddie Hutchinson was a disgrace and unprofessional. If Mark hears any of that from last night he will feel like he has no future at our club. And on Eddie Hutchinson im not going to quote the remark he made about him because even though i dont rate him for his manager to say that is very unfair and not funny. If Eddie hears that it will surely knock his confidence! The man is supposed to motivate and encourage but he cant his man mangement is apalling.

I have to disagree.
One of the few areas Wally impressed me in last night was his defense of his players.
He was repeatedly given plenty of opportunity to slag them off, especially with regard to Mark Peters, but stuck behind them publicly as a good manager should.

 

[Ace Face]

PAZ - Do we put Wally to the lie detector or call witnesses?

None of us know the truth except the players and staff.

But is it fair to call Wally a liar.

 

[PAZ]

PAZ - Do we put Wally to the lie detector or call witnesses?

None of us know the truth except the players and staff.

But is it fair to call Wally a liar.

I haven't called him a liar.

I have said that he was not being entirely truthful. There is a big difference.

 

[Pauly Paul]

I think that the words in my current signature aptly describe the disagreements between Mattbee and others on here about what was and what was not said at the forum last night!

rofl

 

[Simon T]

i am frustrated with people like you. will you admit that although he said he wanted a 28 - 29 year old experienced midfielder, he is not capable of working with senior players because they dont respect him and so he prefers the younger players who he can order around and wont talk back to him.

mattbee, had you actually listened to what he said, Wally stated that ideally he would want a 28-29 year old midfielder as captain, however as they tend to have a wife, house kids etc we can't afford to get them on what we are currently able to afford to pay.

I think you will find the mind works a lot better when it is open to new ideas, if you went last night with a fixed view of everything and unwilling to listen to what was said then you wasted 3 hours of your life. It appears that while you were there you did not listen.

 

[PAZ]

mattbee, had you actually listened to what he said, Wally stated that ideally he would want a 28-29 year old midfielder as captain, however as they tend to have a wife, house kids etc we can't afford to get them on what we are currently able to afford to pay.

I think you will find the mind works a lot better when it is open to new ideas, if you went last night with a fixed view of everything and unwilling to listen to what was said then you wasted 3 hours of your life. It appears that while you were there you did not listen.

Correct. He was happy to admit that Dobbo was not an ideal captain in his current state of vocality, but also made it pretty clear that unfortunately there is no one more suitable in our current squad.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Correct. He was happy to admit that Dobbo was not an ideal captain in his current state of vocality, but also made it pretty clear that unfortunately there is no one more suitable in our current squad.

Which is hard to disagree with.

 

[DidntYouUsedToBee]

Wally got in touch with the people who were running the course and asked:1)Could Forzoni have his money back,and the answer was yes,and:2)Who would benefit more from the course a manager or trainer,and was told a manager.

This episode seems a little unsavoury and perhaps rather humiliating to Forzoni. Think about it. Wouldn't you feel pissed off having somebody do something like that over your head?

leaving GT to train the whole squad

Thought Forzoni just did warm ups? Anyways he's doing it on his own now!

Wally's underestimation of Forzoni's contribution coul be showing a limit of football knowledge. After all Coppell hold him in high esteem.

I seem to remember during a bad run under Steve Coppell, he did a big tactical turn around and admitted he'd got it wrong for a while. That showed real strength and nowse!

 

[Bee H]

I thought Rodgers was dreadful last night.

naughty Bish, you mustn't criticise those in charge !

oh and by the way Bish, following your question to John Mac last night, please note that generally my posts on what I consider to be the failings of those in charge should all read John Mac & Co as I view any failings to be the responsibility of those in charge being all the members of the Executive Committee and not just John Mac (and not Bees United).

It is worrying however, that at a time when Brentford FC needs a real strong and dynamic leader e.g. someone who can grab the Club by the scruff of its neck and manage and direct the Club, that we have the face of the Exec Comm who no longer reads the GPG because any criticism "makes him depressed" ! :no:

 

[Simon T]

To clarify the Forzoni course situation further, Wally also said that it was an introduction to sports psychology and the man from the FA said that Forzoni had already done it (or something the equivalent of it).

 

[Nigel Brooks]

Eddie Rogers
Why was he talking about "sitting down with Wally to discuss budgets" when his is a non-executive role?

Anybody know the answer?

 

[Markybee]

What did Wally say that was derogatory about Peters and Hutch?

 

[Edmundo]

What did Wally say that was derogatory about Peters and Hutch?

Nothing.

 

[Gee Bee]

No offence jim bee but you are im guessing a typical 'support the manager'when he is here no matter what he does then when he goes say 'i always knew he was no good'. At least im saying get him out as quick as possible before its too late for someone else to save us!

Why didn't you ask anything last night when you had a chance to face to face?
You could have asked him about the allegation you were making against him in another thread last week.

 

[abee]

I though Rodgers was dreadful last night.

What does it matter Bish.

According to the TITS interview with John Mac his only duties are swigging gin and tonics with the directors of that day's opponents.

Also Noades insisted that Rogers was appointed chairman as part of the "deal" but that doesn't matter because he almost certainly doesn't tell Noades what's going on anyway (again according to John Mac in TITS).

Oh and Rogers was interviewed in the Chronny before the season started and was ".....about to sit down with Wally to discuss his new contract" (I put a post on the GPG at the time and said isn't this the job of the Exec Comm and if Rogers is just a cypher then what is he doing anywhere near contracts).

I also gather from this thread that Rogers is now "..discussing budgets with Wally".

If you believe that Rogers (no "d" by the way) was dreadful what do you think we should do about it??? Oh I forgot he was democratically elected only noone bothered to tell us when the elections were.

 

[Markybee]

Nothing.

Im getting the impression MattBee might be a bit:crazy1: :crazy3: :crazy1: :crazy3: then?