Forshaw Fee

[davebee]

Unless my info is wrong, that's a wild exagerration mate. Peterborough have only ever sold 1 player for over £3.5 million. It was Dwight Gayle to Palace for £6 million.

Peterborough's actual numbers are a moot point to a certain extent.

Our players need to get used to being the subject of transfer speculation and cheeky bids, even if those bids are significantly higher than what we are used to seeing. Taking Adam out of the 1st team environment sends a clear message to the rest of the squad that they need to behave in a professional manner whilst they are still under contract at Brentford. As a club, I am sure that if an offer meets our valuation then we will not stand in the way of a players development and we will let them move on. However, if the fee does not meet our valuation then the player needs to find a way to focus on the job they are paid to do until such time as an offer is accepted. The respect between club and player has to cut both ways and I think we have handled the situation perfectly.

Whilst the rest of our squad gears up for the opening day, Adam is sat at home meditating on his future. If nobody meets our expectation, he should be reintegrated and this should put some fire in his belly to prove his valuation. The alternative is that he gives up and plays half-heartedly which will do nothing to improve his reputation and get him the move he wants. This is why we chose players carefully to ensure they have a good temperament so they don't throw a complete paddy when their employer disagrees with their personal desires. A bit of space to realise this will do wonders for his career in the long term whether that is with us or elsewhere.

 

[Sweepy]

But see post number 47

I've seen it, and I reckon it's two players they've sold for over £3.5m now:-

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...t-sign-britt-assombalonga-and-michail-antonio

 

[whispering dave]

Peterborough's actual numbers are a moot point to a certain extent.

Our players need to get used to being the subject of transfer speculation and cheeky bids, even if those bids are significantly higher than what we are used to seeing. Taking Adam out of the 1st team environment sends a clear message to the rest of the squad that they need to behave in a professional manner whilst they are still under contract at Brentford. As a club, I am sure that if an offer meets our valuation then we will not stand in the way of a players development and we will let them move on. However, if the fee does not meet our valuation then the player needs to find a way to focus on the job they are paid to do until such time as an offer is accepted. The respect between club and player has to cut both ways and I think we have handled the situation perfectly.

Whilst the rest of our squad gears up for the opening day, Adam is sat at home meditating on his future. If nobody meets our expectation, he should be reintegrated and this should put some fire in his belly to prove his valuation. The alternative is that he gives up and plays half-heartedly which will do nothing to improve his reputation and get him the move he wants. This is why we chose players carefully to ensure they have a good temperament so they don't throw a complete paddy when their employer disagrees with their personal desires. A bit of space to realise this will do wonders for his career in the long term whether that is with us or elsewhere.

I agree with you about that Dave and well said. My point was just that it's best to get the facts right about figures that we quote to support our points.

 

[whispering dave]

I've seen it, and I reckon it's two players they've sold for over £3.5m now:-

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...t-sign-britt-assombalonga-and-michail-antonio

Now that's what I call good timing

 

[davebee]

Now that's what I call good timing

indeed!

Jordan Rhodes went for £8million and I would imagine this is the record. But they got this because they were prepared to say no and effectively forced Blackburn into a panic buy. There is no reason why we can't get £5million+ for a player of Forshaws talent. Top midfielders are just as difficult to find and in the higher leagues clubs pay a lot of money for players like Forshaw.

Remember, we are not looking to sell, so he is worth what we say he is. Or you can bugger off and find someone else.

 

[BRbee]

. This transfer will set a precedent for any offers on our players in the next 10 years potentially. We do not want clubs thinking they can get our players for a "fair" price. We need to be strong and make it clear that if you want our top players, you pay "our" price. .

Quire right davebee. If we are labelled a soft touch then our best players will disapper to richer Championship rivals for very little money. Dig your heels in Warbs and if Wigan/whoever don't meet your valuation then Forshaw should remain a BFC player.

 

[bostonhanwell]

In assessing his true transfer value, the Everton sell-on tranche shouldn't come into it.

Of course it would be galling to have to pass 40%(?) of the eventual fee back to Everton, but let's be realistic, had we not accepted that sell-on clause, we almost certainly wouldn't have signed Adam in the first place.

I personally reckon £4m would be both fair and acceptable - I fear he might go for as little as £3m (though maybe with add-ons for appearances etc), though if another firm bidder emerges, he might even make £5m.

Assombalonga just went to Forest for 5.5 million. Of course strikers command a premium but I genuinely think Forshaw is a bigger talent and worth at least as much.

 

[sonofabee]

When Peterborough sell their top assets, they always go for 5-8million. They get this price because everybody knows that to buy a Peterborough player you have to pay top dollar. This transfer will set a precedent for any offers on our players in the next 10 years potentially. We do not want clubs thinking they can get our players for a "fair" price. We need to be strong and make it clear that if you want our top players, you pay "our" price. Forshaw has 2 years to run on his contract and should the window close without him moving, it is obvious that he will have to get his head straightened and work his way back into the first team. This "you can't keep an unhappy player" is, in my opinion, b***ocks. He is under contract and doesn't have a release clause. Quarantining him whilst it is resolved is EXACTLY the right thing to do and will ensure things work out for the best for BRENTFORD.

What I wrote a few posts earlier re dangerous precedent

 

[bees66]

indeed!

Jordan Rhodes went for £8million and I would imagine this is the record.

Udders were a Championship team in August 2012 when they sold him, they had just gone up.. Leeds sold fabian delph for £8.5m when they were in League 1..

 

[davebee]

Udders were a Championship team in August 2012 when they sold him, they had just gone up.. Leeds sold fabian delph for £8.5m when they were in League 1..

So we are in a comparable position to the one Hudders were in when Rhodes went. The major difference is that we have a strong squad, whereas Huddersfield very much relied on Rhodes for goals. I would even go so far as to say that even now, they are still trying to establish the way they want to play. We are in a very enviable position with strength and depth throughout the squad, bar one or two additions to put the finishing touches.

 

[w6bee]

Would you rather sell Forshaw to Wigan or QPR, if they both offered matching bids matching our valuation?

I would go with the Hoops as 1, they are in the Prem and not competing with us and 2, it would be good to snub Wigan following the way they kicked this off.

 

[eaglebee]

As good as we all think what he is worth personally we have to be realistic and base his value on a proven L1 Player only, We then have to forget the sell on fee, that was all arranged when we signed him, had we not agreed to it we might never had got him, I believe Everton knew he might come good one day therefore instigated the sell on fee to recoup some money.

I would like to see us negotiate a fee that would leave us with a healthy 2 million pound PROFIT on the initial transaction, plus extra’s added on for 1st team games played, combined with a sell on fee similar to what we arranged with Everton.

 

[twickersbee]

Tell Forshaw his future is with Brentford and tell the latics to go look elsewhere!

 

[PJ]

As good as we all think what he is worth personally we have to be realistic and base his value on a proven L1 Player only, We then have to forget the sell on fee, that was all arranged when we signed him, had we not agreed to it we might never had got him, I believe Everton knew he might come good one day therefore instigated the sell on fee to recoup some money.

I would like to see us negotiate a fee that would leave us with a healthy 2 million pound PROFIT on the initial transaction, plus extra’s added on for 1st team games played, combined with a sell on fee similar to what we arranged with Everton.

Very sensible words.
If he fulfils his potential with this move then his next one could well be a ten figure fee to top6 PL.
We need to cash in with all sorts of add-ons etc, i`m sure we will.
Much as I like AF I`m pissed off how this has all become a bit of a charade/distraction on the eve of a season we`ve waited donkeys years for

 

[Guildford Bee]

Assombalonga just went to Forest for 5.5 million. Of course strikers command a premium but I genuinely think Forshaw is a bigger talent and worth at least as much.

£5.5m rising to £8m

 

[bostonhanwell]

£5.5m rising to £8m

Posh seem to do very well selling players for top money time and again. I don't believe in coincidences.

 

[andy58bee]

I voted 3 to 4 million in the poll, but now after seeing the money Assombalonga has gone for I am now in the over £5 million camp. I know strikers always go for a premium but surely the league one player of the year should attract the same premium, however nothing in football surprises me these days.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

The buying club and selling club will agree a fee. :shrug:

Whether we, as supporters, agree with the transfer fee or not, it doesn't matter. It's the value MB has put on Adam which matters. There will be an agreement, otherwise, players like Tarkowski, Bidwell, Dean, Gray, Odubajo, Hogan and Nico wouldn't be signing for Brentford FC.

That's not quite the same as you were suggesting before though. I'm all for agreeing a fee, but not one that the buying club dictates simply because they're bigger than we are. If we succumb to bully boy tactics and what was plainly "tapping up" from the likes of Wigan we might as well all get ready for our one season of 2nd tier football and prepare to resume our rightful place where we belong in League one next season. I would prefer to have a team of p***** off Forshaws than meekly settle for that!

 

[Adam]

I voted 3 to 4 million in the poll, but now after seeing the money Assombalonga has gone for I am now in the over £5 million camp. I know strikers always go for a premium but surely the league one player of the year should attract the same premium, however nothing in football surprises me these days.

Assombalonga had a 50% sell on clause, I think ours is 30-40% on Forshaw plus strikers are usually more expensive for obvious reasons. You factor that in I would say £4 million would be a decent result. You have to consider that Warbs has said (I believe) that the money we get will be used for a replacement. So say we get £3.5 million minus 40%, you are looking at just over £2 million for a replacement. You never know we could improve that area!

 

[mhead bee]

indeed!

Jordan Rhodes went for £8million and I would imagine this is the record. But they got this because they were prepared to say no and effectively forced Blackburn into a panic buy. There is no reason why we can't get £5million+ for a player of Forshaws talent. Top midfielders are just as difficult to find and in the higher leagues clubs pay a lot of money for players like Forshaw.

Remember, we are not looking to sell, so he is worth what we say he is. Or you can bugger off and find someone else.

Telling the buying club to bugger off in the end is counter productive.

If I applied for a promotion at work and was offered the job and my current boss refused to release me to the new position because I was a really good post boy how would I feel? I would look for a job outside the company. I certainly wouldn't show 100% loyalty and commitment to him for stifling my career.

If his head has been turned then we need to go to Wigan and tell them what we want, we will eventually come to some middle ground and we can all move on. I expect this is what is happening and fee will be undisclosed so nobody needs to worry about us being ripped off for the next decade as some poster said earlier.

 

[mhead bee]

That's not quite the same as you were suggesting before though. I'm all for agreeing a fee, but not one that the buying club dictates simply because they're bigger than we are. If we succumb to bully boy tactics and what was plainly "tapping up" from the likes of Wigan we might as well all get ready for our one season of 2nd tier football and prepare to resume our rightful place where we belong in League one next season. I would prefer to have a team of p***** off Forshaws than meekly settle for that!

If we had a team of pissed of Forshaws we would be relegated quicker than in your scenario and to make matters worse we would have to give them away for peanuts after relegation.

 

[mhead bee]

I voted 3 to 4 million in the poll, but now after seeing the money Assombalonga has gone for I am now in the over £5 million camp. I know strikers always go for a premium but surely the league one player of the year should attract the same premium, however nothing in football surprises me these days.

If lg 1 player of the year AF is worth over 5M, Britt A is worth over 5 million in 4th place, what is the 9th placed person worth...less than 1M....(just asking)

 

[detours]

I would prefer to have a team of p***** off Forshaws than meekly settle for that!

No disrespect, but that isn't a great attitude.

When Martin Allen sold DJ Campbell - for what was effectively peanuts - his rationale was that the players were promised that if bigger teams wanted them Brentford wouldn't stand in their way. If he had dug his heels in he would have 'lost the dressing room'.

We can dig our heels in to a certain degree, but we aren't getting all these top quality young players because they dreamed of playing for Brentford. We're signing them because they see that we are a club on the up, that gives ambitious young players a chance, and puts them in the shop window. If we really decide that we aren't letting players go up the leagues, we risk becoming a less attractive prospect for talented players.

That said, we need to get the best deal possible, but we can't just let a players rot in the reserves. That's bad for everyone.

 

[Bangor Bee]

We can dig our heels in to a certain degree, but we aren't getting all these top quality young players because they dreamed of playing for Brentford. If we really decide that we aren't letting players go up the leagues, we risk becoming a less attractive prospect for talented players.

All well and good, but aren't Wigan in the same league as us? I'm glad we're not being compliant over this -- that's happened too often in the past.

 

[sonofabee]

No disrespect, but that isn't a great attitude.

When Martin Allen sold DJ Campbell - for what was effectively peanuts - his rationale was that the players were promised that if bigger teams wanted them Brentford wouldn't stand in their way. If he had dug his heels in he would have 'lost the dressing room'.

We can dig our heels in to a certain degree, but we aren't getting all these top quality young players because they dreamed of playing for Brentford. We're signing them because they see that we are a club on the up, that gives ambitious young players a chance, and puts them in the shop window. If we really decide that we aren't letting players go up the leagues, we risk becoming a less attractive prospect for talented players.

That said, we need to get the best deal possible, but we can't just let a players rot in the reserves. That's bad for everyone.

It's a difficult call. Way I see it is that we can't roll over and let clubs tap up players with offers of big bucks and let them get away with a derisory offer to us knowing that we won't make a player see out his contract in the stiffs. Maybe that's what should happen and we set a precedent, maybe all players should all be on two year contracts with no get out clause and if they aren't prepared to commit maybe they're not for us?
I think of late we've shown that we're a forward thinking club that encourages youngsters, looks to play passing football and will pay decent wages. We treat players well and with respect that should be replicated. You sign a contract, you're ours and if someone is prepared to pay a price we're happy to sell at during that time, you can go. If not you're going nowhere until it suits and unless there's a bidding war to get it to a price we want, tough!
I don't think any of that is too excessive or Draconian, if players and agents know thems the rules they have a choice.

 

[bees66]

When Martin Allen sold DJ Campbell - for what was effectively peanuts -

we sold him for 500k plus add-ons for another 500K, I wouldn't say that was peanuts tbh when we signed him for £5000..

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

For a player that has yet to play a single Championship game some of the figures proposed here seem fanciful. What I'm going to say won't be popular and I'll be accused of under-rating what (in the eyes of many) is the finest player ever to wear the stripes. So, just for the record, I happen to think AF is a fine young player with the potential to do well at least at Championship level if he continues to develop at his current rate.

If I were buying I'd be prepared to go to about £1m. I could be talked into £1.25m.

If I were selling I'd consider £2m and be ready to accept anything north of £2.5m.

In other words, I'm not expecting offers to come near enough to my valuation and so I wouldn't be expecting to conclude a deal. However, in football, there are some people whose judgement is questionable and who, (backed by foreign money), have a real talent for spending it. So, anything is possible!

 

[BURFORD BEE]

If we had a team of pissed of Forshaws we would be relegated quicker than in your scenario and to make matters worse we would have to give them away for peanuts after relegation.

And your suggestion is therefore?

 

[BURFORD BEE]

No disrespect, but that isn't a great attitude.

When Martin Allen sold DJ Campbell - for what was effectively peanuts - his rationale was that the players were promised that if bigger teams wanted them Brentford wouldn't stand in their way. If he had dug his heels in he would have 'lost the dressing room'.

We can dig our heels in to a certain degree, but we aren't getting all these top quality young players because they dreamed of playing for Brentford. We're signing them because they see that we are a club on the up, that gives ambitious young players a chance, and puts them in the shop window. If we really decide that we aren't letting players go up the leagues, we risk becoming a less attractive prospect for talented players.

That said, we need to get the best deal possible, but we can't just let a players rot in the reserves. That's bad for everyone.

And if we cant get that deal and the player is still unsettled then we do what precisely?

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Lots of posts on here that are not facing the situation that we are in:
Wigan make a couple of derisory bids and unsettle the player. If no other realistic bids come in and player is still unsettled, what do we do?
If we stick to our guns as I believe we should we have the obvious problem of unrest causing a loss of team spirit and the danger that we (supposedly) wont attract talented youngsters.
If we let him go for less than he's worth we open the floodgates by setting a precedent and all of our talented youngsters will be fair game for the predators looking for something on the cheap and the players themselves will think "well it worked for Adam although he was under contract so why not for me"
Its an impossible situation with no good outcome as I see it so please would some posters stop pretending that its obvious that we should either let him go or "bench" him.

 

[mhead bee]

And your suggestion is therefore?

Exactly what I have said about 20 times on this thread. I would do exactly what i expect we are doing and that is to go to Wigan and tell them what we are prepared to accept and come to a compromise.

Putting an unhappy Forshaw in the reserves pisses him off, it pisses wigan off, it pisses Brentford off in the most important season in their history. If his head has been turned and he wants to go then it is utterly futile to force him to stay and upset the whole Brentford ethos of taking on young players and then not standing in their way.

CM if the position we have more cover for than any other position. Tebar looks a great player, JD is top quality and we have Toums pushing to be recognised. We also have the wide men like saunders and Judge who can step in. It is the one position where we can afford to lose a player of some quality so what is the point is grizzling like a baby because its Uwe. The club need to and will push on without him and the truth is, no matter how good he is, he is only 1 cog in a very big wheel and we have plenty of players who can offer as much.

 

[mhead bee]

If we let him go for less than he's worth we open the floodgates by setting a precedent and all of our talented youngsters will be fair game for the predators looking for something on the cheap .

For god sake...no we don't..... our transfer dealings are UNDISCLOSED.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

For god sake...no we don't..... our transfer dealings are UNDISCLOSED.

Yes like they have been so far in this episode I suppose. This the era of leaks if you havn't noticed. Nothing is a secret any longer. Brentford can be as businesslike and honest as they want to be but they are only one side of the story. I suppose you think Whelan is a decent honourable sort of guy, not the sort of chap who would brag to his chums about how he'd been such a clever boy screwing us over. Get real for goodness sake!

 

[mhead bee]

Yes like they have been so far in this episode I suppose. This the era of leaks if you havn't noticed. Nothing is a secret any longer. Brentford can be as businesslike and honest as they want to be but they are only one side of the story. I suppose you think Whelan is a decent honourable sort of guy, not the sort of chap who would brag to his chums about how he'd been such a clever boy screwing us over. Get real for goodness sake!

Tell me how much we paid for

Bidwell
Judge
Proschwitz
Moses
Gray
Hogan

then go back and do the same with

Harlee
Button

Don't just quote made up bullsh1t numbers from the internet, you show me what we paid.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Tell me how much we paid for

Bidwell
Judge
Proschwitz
Moses
Gray
Hogan

then go back and do the same with

Harlee
Button

Don't just quote made up bullsh1t numbers from the internet, you show me what we paid.

In case you don't know, I am not the CEO, Owner or Manager of a Football club. Of course I don't know details of the deals, only whats there for public consumption, any more than I know the price that the car dealer is looking at in Glasses or for that matter the profit that those bastards at Centrica are making on the wholesale price of gas and what was going on with the Libor rate before it became public knowledge. The people that have the contacts know these things and use that knowledge to whatever advantage they can gain. If Wigan or any other club get Forshaw for peanuts then the rest of the monkeys will know all about it soon after Whelan finishes his cigar.

 

[sonofabee]

In case you don't know, I am not the CEO, Owner or Manager of a Football club. Of course I don't know details of the deals, only whats there for public consumption, any more than I know the price that the car dealer is looking at in Glasses or for that matter the profit that those bastards at Centrica are making on the wholesale price of gas and what was going on with the Libor rate before it became public knowledge. The people that have the contacts know these things and use that knowledge to whatever advantage they can gain. If Wigan or any other club get Forshaw for peanuts then the rest of the monkeys will know all about it soon after Whelan finishes his cigar.

Exactly, his agent and Uwe will be gloating

 

[Hullbee]

Do we pay tax on the fee??

If so Everton 40 per cent
Taxman. 40 per cent
Brentford. 20 per cent

Waste of time haggling

 

[whispering dave]

Do we pay tax on the fee??

If so Everton 40 per cent
Taxman. 40 per cent
Brentford. 20 per cent

Waste of time haggling

Chop off another 10% for the agents cut Hullbee , we'll only get 10% after that lot!

 

[mhead bee]

In case you don't know, I am not the CEO, Owner or Manager of a Football club. Of course I don't know details of the deals, .

You said earlier - Quote "This the era of leaks if you havn't noticed", so either you believe the internet bullsh1t or you don't. You either agree it is undisclosed or you don't. Now you are saying you are not the ceo so have no way of knowing what the fee is????????????

Make your mind up!

It is undisclosed so until the real CEO tells me what the fee was I refuse to believe any internet rumours that has the Forshaw bid anything between 500K to 3 million at the moment. I refuse to believe that if we sell him then automatically every club in the world will assume we are having a fire sale and they will all be allowed to leave for 5p each.

 

[sonofabee]

You said earlier - Quote "This the era of leaks if you havn't noticed", so either you believe the internet bullsh1t or you don't. You either agree it is undisclosed or you don't. Now you are saying you are not the ceo so have no way of knowing what the fee is????????????

Make your mind up!

It is undisclosed so until the real CEO tells me what the fee was I refuse to believe any internet rumours that has the Forshaw bid anything between 500K to 3 million at the moment. I refuse to believe that if we sell him then automatically every club in the world will assume we are having a fire sale and they will all be allowed to leave for 5p each.

I fear you are a man of honour and the football world isn't. This whole Adam scenario has typified the dodgy world of football and agents and how money is everything. No processes or professional handling of negotiations, players being contacted directly and then leaks to the press to unsettle everybody in order to make the situation untenable for us and forcing us to sell at a price below our valuation. If you genuinely believe that other clubs and agents won't know what fee is settled at you are more gullible than I thought as had you down as, that's not an insult.

I really hope that we dig our heels in and get somewhere near our valuation or otherwise I can see this as a starter for 10 and the likes of Tarkowski, Jake B and Moses are just killing time and getting match fit before they get poached after word gets to them that they'll have their salaries tripled and quadrupled if they say they're unhappy and don't worry about the fee we'll deal with that!

 

[AB]

When does 'sell on' stop applying?

I mean, if Everton had a 50% sell-on clause, that means they get 50% of the fee Wigan pay...

... but when Wigan decide to sell him, does that mean Everton continue to get 50% of whatever fee Wigan get for him?

Can someone inform me how it works?

Contracts only bind the parties to them. Wigan (or any other subsequent club) have no contract with Everton so can't be bound by the Everton-Brentford contract terms. What the Everton-Brentford contract could have is an obligation on Brentford to secure a similar sell-on clause from whoever Brentford sell to. If we didn't do that, we'd potentially be liable for the value of future sell ons to Everton. It would be a very odd thing to have accepted because it would either make sale of a player very difficult or expose Brentford to an unquantifiable and uncontrollable risk (eg if Forshaw blossomed into the next Messi but we'd been unable to secure a further sell on we'd be looking to indemnify Everton for a share of the £100m his next club got for selling him to Real Madrid).

If there is such a clause, it means that the club would have accepted at the time that we'd never make much money out of a sale and not be bothered about that being the price to pay for an excellent player we would not otherwise have got.

 

[AB]

Do we pay tax on the fee??

If so Everton 40 per cent
Taxman. 40 per cent
Brentford. 20 per cent

Waste of time haggling

We'd only pay tax on the club's overall profit in the tax year at the prevailing Corporation Tax rate (23% IIRC). I'm pretty sure that BFC doesn't turn a profit at least because of the effect of repaying debts to MB so shouldn't be paying Corporation Tax.

 

[sonofabee]

Contracts only bind the parties to them. Wigan (or any other subsequent club) have no contract with Everton so can't be bound by the Everton-Brentford contract terms. What the Everton-Brentford contract could have is an obligation on Brentford to secure a similar sell-on clause from whoever Brentford sell to. If we didn't do that, we'd potentially be liable for the value of future sell ons to Everton. It would be a very odd thing to have accepted because it would either make sale of a player very difficult or expose Brentford to an unquantifiable and uncontrollable risk (eg if Forshaw blossomed into the next Messi but we'd been unable to secure a further sell on we'd be looking to indemnify Everton for a share of the £100m his next club got for selling him to Real Madrid).

If there is such a clause, it means that the club would have accepted at the time that we'd never make much money out of a sale and not be bothered about that being the price to pay for an excellent player we would not otherwise have got.

Think there's a lot of sense in last sentence, back then we were signing potential not proven grown up football ability and didn't have any money to spend. Everton weren't going to play him anytime soon so a loan to a club with agreements re buy back or huge percentage sell on works for everyone. We may be slightly annoyed at losing a big chunk of sell on fee but what we never had we wouldn't have missed and so good deal for all. Until a bunch of c***s come along and approach the player direct and take the proverbial with an offer that is way below value but lights the blue touch paper to a potentially explosive, unpleasant experience for player and Brentford if we don't let him go.

 

[Kingston Bee]

We are in the driving seat, we hold all the cards, if AF has to play in the dev squad then so be it. 4-6 Mil will do nicely, plus add ons.

 

[Doovster]

I think Warbs is playing this spot on. Wigan need to come up with the appropriate dosh. If not Adam needs to decide how he responds. He either sulks or gets his head down, plays well and other bids will come soon.

Adam strikes me as the kind of bloke who will get his head down and work his socks off if the move to Wigan doesn't transpire.

 

[Nada Bee]

This could rumble on for another 3 weeks.

What do we do if Wigan dont stump up the cash and Adam is fit again? Play him?

What will the fans reaction to him be now though?

 

[Doovster]

This could rumble on for another 3 weeks.

What do we do if Wigan dont stump up the cash and Adam is fit again? Play him?

What will the fans reaction to him be now though?

As long as he gives 100% will have my full support.

He's gonna move sooner or later.

 

[sonofabee]

This could rumble on for another 3 weeks.

What do we do if Wigan dont stump up the cash and Adam is fit again? Play him?

What will the fans reaction to him be now though?

He's gone, no way after everything that's been happening so publicly he'll be ours for long

 

[sonofabee]

As long as he gives 100% will have my full support.

He's gonna move sooner or later.

I suspect sooner but while he's ours he gets usual backing, I don't blame him.

 

[Doovster]

I suspect sooner but while he's ours he gets usual backing, I don't blame him.

I don't expect to see him in a Bees shirt again. He's a good lad and it appears from the outside that he's not trying to force the move to be fair and leaving the two clubs to sort it out.