Gary Speed

[Markybee]

Can I ask what's the headline?

It was something like "We may never know why Gary did it"

 

[Markybee]

I only saw it in the petrol station tonight, headline 'last picture (photo) and had a picture of him with a guy with his arms round his shoulder, I may be reading too much into the scum press but don't think so

To be fair, that's not how I read it....

 

[steve.bees89]

I think I can see what you mean now

 

[hanworthbee]

if it was a cry for help its a huge tragedy he felt he could not speak to anyone.

It also could not have been anything that was going to be in the sunday papers as they would have been out by the tim ee he was found

 

[horshambees]

I can't help thinking that whatever it was, it's a tragedy that he couldn't stay around and front it, nobody knows anyone else's breaking limit and we probably don't even know our own. All I do know is that I haven't heard or ever read a bad word about GS and that he has a wife and two young children who have lost a very valuable family member, 3 people who would have forgiven whatever it was that sent him over the edge.
As a parent, I remember the day I became a father, I toned down everything I did, I had this insane feeling of needing to make sure I stay alive and not be a pratt anymore, I had this feeling that surviving until they were teenagers was massive. We're there know and I'm not ready to give up just yet, they might not realise it but those kids need of ours still need us.

Having a son of 20 and a 4 y.o,i know how much they not only need us but we need them.Enjoy their company and am happy to do things for them and i know how much it means to them.My wife cannot take my son to his playgroup anymore because he insists i take him or he will not go......that means so much to me as his dad.This comes from someone whos own father walks past his son and grandson in the street without a nod and a wink.Now that can hurt but im bigger than that.My children are my future and my father is my not to glorious past.

 

[Simon W]

Joey Barton has been panned on Twitter for saying that suicide is the ultimate selfish act. A good friend of mine had to go through the suicide of someone close to her and I saw the devastation it caused - why did he do it but more importantly, a massive amount of confusion and guilt was left behind because she will never know whether it was because of her and whether she could have done more to stop him doing it.

Interestingly enough, at the inquest of his death two things were said - keep off anti-depressants because they can be dangerous sh*t but also that the coroner believed just as hanworth says that he didn't intend to kill himself - he wanted to be found but it went wrong. A cry for help.

I do agree to a certain extent what Joey Barton says ... how awful it must have been for Mrs Speed to find her husband hanging in the garage .. unless he left a note explaining (which we don't know), she may never know what drove him to do such a drastic thing. Just hope that his kids never saw him.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Can't get my head around everyone being asked to clap or stay silent for a footballer that most had no connection with. The Welsh clubs and the teams he actually played for yeah but everyone else?

 

[horshambees]

Thats why its a mark of respect.No one has to do it,its up to the individual.I raised a glass of Magners to him on Sunday night,should have been a Welsh Cider i know but my local doesnt sell any.

 

[Balders Bee]

Joey Barton has been panned on Twitter for saying that suicide is the ultimate selfish act. A good friend of mine had to go through the suicide of someone close to her and I saw the devastation it caused - why did he do it but more importantly, a massive amount of confusion and guilt was left behind because she will never know whether it was because of her and whether she could have done more to stop him doing it.

Interestingly enough, at the inquest of his death two things were said - keep off anti-depressants because they can be dangerous sh*t but also that the coroner believed just as hanworth says that he didn't intend to kill himself - he wanted to be found but it went wrong. A cry for help.

Speaking as the son of a father who did take his own life when I was young I have grown up with the legacy of confusion and guilt and never knowing why. Think Barton's comments are insensitive in their timing to say the least. To the world I've been told my father was an outgoing extrovert, always the first at the bar, always a smile and a handshake and a friendly word yet beneath it was the black cloud of depressive illness. For all we know Gary Speed may have also suffered from something similar and therefore Barton's comments are crass to say the least. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it but he well knows by tweeting in the public domain at the current time it is going to cause controversy (something he's no stranger too).

Gary Speed's immediate family and close friends should be allowed now to get on with their grieving though I think that their is little chance of this in the media hyped and mawkish society in which we live.

 

[nick logan]

To be fair, that's not how I read it....

Nor me, the same pictures have been used in a few papers as they were sat afternoon when he was happily smiling and posing for photos outside the studios.

 

[Newbee]

Speaking as the son of a father who did take his own life when I was young I have grown up with the legacy of confusion and guilt and never knowing why. Think Barton's comments are insensitive in their timing to say the least. To the world I've been told my father was an outgoing extrovert, always the first at the bar, always a smile and a handshake and a friendly word yet beneath it was the black cloud of depressive illness. For all we know Gary Speed may have also suffered from something similar and therefore Barton's comments are crass to say the least. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it but he well knows by tweeting in the public domain at the current time it is going to cause controversy (something he's no stranger too).

Gary Speed's immediate family and close friends should be allowed now to get on with their grieving though I think that their is little chance of this in the media hyped and mawkish society in which we live.

I think the Daily Mail et al picked the parts they wanted to print... Below is his tweet "in full"

Suicide is a mix of the most tragic, most selfish, most terrible (and I want to believe preventable) acts out there

also i keep seeing the Sun and Daily star being linked to releasing a story about Gary Speed which might have pushed him to the edge....

 

[hanworthbee]

Barton should try keeping quiet once in a while, theres no need to air such comments the day he died.

As for the marks of respect, i think its a sign of how football remembers their own and i would be fine if we do it sat but in the circumstances i believe silence is more appropriate

 

[horshambees]

Barton should try keeping quiet once in a while, theres no need to air such comments the day he died.

As for the marks of respect, i think its a sign of how football remembers their own and i would be fine if we do it sat but in the circumstances i believe silence is more appropriate

I agree with a minutes silence,but if the Wrexhams fans burst into applause and a chant of his name then they too must be respected and then its up to us wether to join in or not.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I agree with a minutes silence,but if the Wrexhams fans burst into applause and a chant of his name then they too must be respected and then its up to us wether to join in or not.

I wonder why people couldn't complete a minute's silence and then applaud if a minute's silence is asked for?

 

[horshambees]

I wonder why people couldn't complete a minute's silence and then applaud if a minute's silence is asked for?

Could do i suppose.Sundays minute silence began as one, followed after a few seconds by a spontaneous applause so it didnt start out as one.It was how it ended up.Yeah thats what i would personally want to see.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'm getting old I think - I think it's disrespectful to start clapping halfway through a minute's silence, and would find it annoying if I was trying to observe it.

 

[horshambees]

I'm getting old I think - I think it's disrespectful to start clapping halfway through a minute's silence, and would find it annoying if I was trying to observe it.

In these circumstances i think a minutes silence is apt.If people want to applaud then as far as i can see thats ok by me but i would maintain my own minutes silence.Up to those how they want to observe.

 

[Stanley]

Maybe just me but I think all this clapping business means very little. I think it has come in because a crowd cannot be trusted to observe a minutes silence.

Getting a crowd of thousands of football fans to stay silent for a minute in reflective remembrance is a very powerful, emotive and far more respectful action.

Garry Speed seems to have been a thoroughly decent person and a great professional but I think he has become a football icon in death rather than life.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Maybe just me but I think all this clapping business means very little. I think it has come in because a crowd cannot be trusted to observe a minutes silence.

Getting a crowd of thousands of football fans to stay silent for a minute in reflective remembrance is a very powerful, emotive and far more respectful action.

Completely agree with that. I think it's a cop out. How many people during a minute's applause add their own personal touch by a minute's looking at their phone, talking to their mate etc etc.

 

[North London Bee]

Maybe just me but I think all this clapping business means very little. I think it has come in because a crowd cannot be trusted to observe a minutes silence.

Getting a crowd of thousands of football fans to stay silent for a minute in reflective remembrance is a very powerful, emotive and far more respectful action.

Garry Speed seems to have been a thoroughly decent person and a great professional but I think he has become a football icon in death rather than life.

Spot on re the move towards applause rather than silence. It is the easy option IMO.

 

[sonofabee]

Speaking as the son of a father who did take his own life when I was young I have grown up with the legacy of confusion and guilt and never knowing why. Think Barton's comments are insensitive in their timing to say the least. To the world I've been told my father was an outgoing extrovert, always the first at the bar, always a smile and a handshake and a friendly word yet
beneath it was the black cloud of depressive illness. For all we know Gary Speed may have also suffered from something similar and therefore Barton's comments are crass to say the least. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it but he well knows by tweeting in the public domain at the
current time it is going to cause controversy (something he's no stranger too).

Gary Speed's immediate family and close friends should be allowed now to get on with their grieving though I think that their is little chance of this in the media hyped and mawkish society in which we live.

A very good mate, incredibly popular, life and soul of the party and all round great son, brother and uncle sadly decided to end his life. To this day 6 years on neither his
immediate family or large circle of friends know why.

All I know is it's terribly sad all round whoever the victim but always worse when close or family as still wonder if we should have noticed signs and prevented it.

Regarding Gary Speed and the Press, I suspect and really hope that someone somewhere has for whatever reason decided now is not the time for publishing vile rumours. I'm not sure it's out of respect for the Speed family right to
privacy at this time, probably fear of vilification if found responsible for the sad event.

 

[RT]

Fair play Man U fans tonight chanting his name during the minutes applause

 

[hobbsy]

Fair play Man U fans tonight chanting his name during the minutes applause

Now would the Leeds fans do the same if the situation was reversed ?

 

[Herbert]

Now would the Leeds fans do the same if the situation was reversed ?

leave it out,Man u fans are as bad when it comes to hillsborough chants etc

united should have just kept it silent as a mutual respect for a player who had a great premiership career against them

 

[horshambees]

leave it out,Man u fans are as bad when it comes to hillsborough chants etc

united should have just kept it silent as a mutual respect for a player who had a great premiership career against them

Have you ever been to see Utd play Liverpool? whos that lying on the runway,whos that lying in the snow,its matt busby and the boys,making all the fuking noise,cos they cant get the aeroplane to go,......has been sung for years at leeds man city liverpool west ham i could go on.Feel ashamed ive even posted that song.

 

[hobbsy]

Sorry my post wasn't meant to steer this thread to such things.

 

[wibs]

Anyone see Bryn on Sky Sports News on Mon evening? Gary was a good friend of his and he spoke of texting each other on the sat, then Bryn texted him on sunday saying I hear there's a sick rumour going round, please contact me. Then broke down in tears live on snn. Terrible stuff.

sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdJXMeMLRGk&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[horshambees]

Sorry my post wasn't meant to steer this thread to such things.

No need to say sorry.Maybe the Man Utd response tonight may make things a bit different because of a players tragedy.What happens between fan tragedys remains to be seen.

 

[absenteebee]

Few days on it still feels unreal. When Michael Jackson and Amy Winehouse died, to me it was a case of 'ok, shame but not that shocked really'.
With GS I still can't get my head round it. Quotes from the likes of Shearer saying Speed was talking the day before about future events. Just cannot fathom how his poor, poor family must feel and the dispair he must have had to make him commit the act.

That SSN clip is heartbreaking.

 

[absenteebee]

Also... Some posts, mainly about family stuff, over the past few days, have built my respect of certain posters especially Horshambees, northamptonbee and sonofabee. Cheers fellas.

 

[TW3Bee]

Have you ever been to see Utd play Liverpool? whos that lying on the runway,whos that lying in the snow,its matt busby and the boys,making all the fuking noise,cos they cant get the aeroplane to go,......has been sung for years at leeds man city liverpool west ham i could go on.Feel ashamed ive even posted that song.

I don't think there was any need to repeat it here.

Most of us know the words anyway.

 

[horshambees]

I don't think there was any need to repeat it here.

Most of us know the words anyway.

As i said,i felt ashamed to write that.It was in response to newbee79 post and maybe it should have been a pm.I apologise if it offends anyone and it is a song i hated hearing whenever or wherever i went to football.I grew up fascinated by the Busby Babes and have got respect for the men who died.I dont agree with Utd fans dissing Hillsborough but that post needed a reply and as Utd supporters applauded and sang Gary Speeds name tonight then i for one was proud to be a football supporter tonight.Like i say,apoligies from my good self if thats what is needed.

 

[horshambees]

Also... Some posts, mainly about family stuff, over the past few days, have built my respect of certain posters especially Horshambees, northamptonbee and sonofabee. Cheers fellas.

Thanks mate.Thank you

 

[Nada Bee]

Don't get me wrong it's very sad what he's done mainly for his children.

But I'm reserving all my thoughts until it comes out why.

Just depression then fair enough, anything more sinister and won't all those 2 minutes round of applause look a bit silly

 

[RoyalOakBee]

Don't get me wrong it's very sad what he's done mainly for his children.

But I'm reserving all my thoughts until it comes out why.

Just depression then fair enough, anything more sinister and won't all those 2 minutes round of applause look a bit silly

Not sure what you mean here Nada?

For instance we can be pretty confident that Speed was not a murderer. I would be very surprised in fact stunned if there were any suggestion of impropriety towards children. Those two areas I would call sinister.

If he were a marital cheat its hardly newsworthy these days let alone sinister.

If he even suffered from depression at all I will be surprised.

So that leaves addiction and as we know he was not a heavy drinker that would leave gambling and given his friendship with Shearer and talk of card schools etc years ago then my money would be on that.(No pun intended)
Although its perhaps wrongf to speculate maybe there was a silly wager that he perhaps was ashamed of admitting too or an outstanding debt with a bookmaker being called in and the thought that his good work for Wales and reputaion would be harmed by such a revelation.

Either way hardly sinister.

For me Gary Speed was an excellent footballer and Manager and appeared to be a Proud Family Man to the outside world and whatever sparked him to take his own life it was a mistake and is therefore sad in every way.

So imo it is very much the right thing to do to offer by way of silence our condolences to his young sons and wife and parents or by applause our appreciation as Football fans of his achievements as a player and for a very short time a Manager and I for one cant see any reason why all Brentford supporters should not feel exactly the same come 2.55pm tomorrow afternoon when our opportunity to pay our respects arises.

RIP Gary and God Bless

 

[sonofabee]

Don't get me wrong it's very sad what he's done mainly for his children.

But I'm reserving all my thoughts until it comes out why.

Just depression then fair enough, anything more sinister and won't all those 2 minutes round of applause look a bit silly

I don't know and even if there is something I don't want to know as not in the public interest and of no benefit to anyone as far as I can see. What I've seen and heard about him from well respected people in his profession suggest he was a great player and decent man, that'll be the way I would like to remember him.

 

[hanworthbee]

surely he wouldnt take his own life for a gambling debt? I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

 

[Mr Tree]

surely he wouldnt take his own life for a gambling debt? I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

it's not for us to know (apart from to scratch that terrible itch of curiosity we all have). i daresay "depression" will be the official line. there might be some deep dark secret in his cupboard (i hardly think ROB covered all the options above, there could be loads of other things, but i don't wanna "suggest" he was guilty of any of them!), but as Nada said (kinda), it will look strange now if some scandal broke, and i think a lot of other sentiment on here has said "we don't wanna know even if there was a scandal". plus any newspaper which revealed a scandal now would have a helluva lot of people ready to call them c****

 

[ladbroke]

Not sure what you mean here Nada?

For instance we can be pretty confident that Speed was not a murderer. I would be very surprised in fact stunned if there were any suggestion of impropriety towards children. Those two areas I would call sinister.

If he were a marital cheat its hardly newsworthy these days let alone sinister.

If he even suffered from depression at all I will be surprised.

So that leaves addiction and as we know he was not a heavy drinker that would leave gambling and given his friendship with Shearer and talk of card schools etc years ago then my money would be on that.(No pun intended)
Although its perhaps wrongf to speculate maybe there was a silly wager that he perhaps was ashamed of admitting too or an outstanding debt with a bookmaker being called in and the thought that his good work for Wales and reputaion would be harmed by such a revelation.

Either way hardly sinister.

For me Gary Speed was an excellent footballer and Manager and appeared to be a Proud Family Man to the outside world and whatever sparked him to take his own life it was a mistake and is therefore sad in every way.

So imo it is very much the right thing to do to offer by way of silence our condolences to his young sons and wife and parents or by applause our appreciation as Football fans of his achievements as a player and for a very short time a Manager and I for one cant see any reason why all Brentford supporters should not feel exactly the same come 2.55pm tomorrow afternoon when our opportunity to pay our respects arises.

RIP Gary and God Bless

Id rather do it on Saturday than tomorrow...

 

[Markybee]

surely he wouldnt take his own life for a gambling debt? I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

In addiction circles gambling has the second highest suicide rate, behind sex addiction. Don't think anyone says he has ever been a gambler though.

Whatever it's put down to, anyone who wants to hang themselves and leave behind a loving family is certainly in a depressive state of thinking....

Such a tragedy that he couldn't talk about whatever it was that led him to take his life

 

[bees66]

In addiction circles gambling has the second highest suicide rate, behind sex addiction

folks kill themselves, over an addiction to sex??

 

[nick logan]

folks kill themselves, over an addiction to sex??

shame all the Paedophiles don't know this

 

[bees66]

shame all the Paedophiles don't know this

hmmm good point...

 

[mhead bee]

surely he wouldnt take his own life for a gambling debt? I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

My uncle killed himself about 20 years ago. In the aftermath it turned out that he had lost everything, his house, business and his mother in law's (my grandmothers) house and the debt was beyond anything his wife knew could be possible. My grandmother had stupidly let him use her house as collateral on another ridiculous harebrained scheme. He left a young son and a severely disabled daughter. I can not even begin to fathom what state of mind he must have been in to do what he did but it obviously sent him somewhere I would hopefully never go. It is only money FFS.
You can not put yourself in the position of someone who does this. If it was money or addiction then surely suicide is not spontaneous.

 

[ChinaBee]

In addiction circles gambling has the second highest suicide rate, behind sex addiction. Don't think anyone says he has ever been a gambler though.

Whatever it's put down to, anyone who wants to hang themselves and leave behind a loving family is certainly in a depressive state of thinking....

Such a tragedy that he couldn't talk about whatever it was that led him to take his life

Mark
By all accounts he was one of these people who everyone went to with their troubles, I'm sure you will agree that sometimes people in that position are more venerable as they tend not to have some one to turn to themselves.
Such a shame there are not more shoulders out there for people to cry on, we live our lives nowadays too isolated from friends and family

 

[northantsbee]

I cant remember the last time i posted on the GPG but (and apologies if its p[osted elsewhere) are we doing the whole ScarvesforSpeedo thing thats doing the rounds on |Twitter....

 

[wanderer paul]

I cant remember the last time i posted on the GPG but (and apologies if its p[osted elsewhere) are we doing the whole ScarvesforSpeedo thing thats doing the rounds on |Twitter....

A lady back on the GPG!!

I think you're just a 'voyeur' now though

No idea. But I'm sure I have a pair of tight black 1978 speedo's somewhere. :looks: I'll wear them Saturday. It's going to rain anyway :shrug: I won't bother with a scarf though. I look silly in scarves...... Just doesn't go. :kiss:

 

[Beat Poet]

The inquest begins...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-16760925

 

[hanworthbee]

Coroner not satisfied it was suicide http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-16760925

worst verdict for the family

 

[Stanley]

Interesting first day, no note... and the Coroner not satisfied yet that it was suicide it seems...