Henrik Dalsgaard (Released)

[jonsnow]

Because Dalsgaard is right-footed and Jota is left-footed. Jota's not going to beat a left back on the outside and has to turn inside anyway; Dalsgaard has to stretch the back wide and hope Jota can get into the box more centrally.

On the contrary I remember Jota skinning players on the outside in his first season, doesn't seem to do it anymore.

 

[Somerset Bee]

On the contrary I remember Jota skinning players on the outside in his first season, doesn't seem to do it anymore.

I think a certain Mr Bidwelll might disagree with you there

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Amazed he's getting stick for yesterday or any other game. He's probably been our best new signing and the biggest credit I can give him is that I'm never unhappy when he plays ahead of Colin who I'm a fan of.
Yes he bought a dummy for their 4th and that was poor, but no full back never gets beaten, Kamo also gets done by the same player afterwards, then Egan and Bjelland don't cover themselves in glory either, all before the goal is scored.
He was one of our best players yesterday along with Watkins when he came on.
Cannot fathom him getting any stick from a performance that stemmed from central defensive and central midfield issues.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Amazed he's getting stick for yesterday or any other game. He's probably been our best new signing and the biggest credit I can give him is that I'm never unhappy when he plays ahead of Colin who I'm a fan of.
Yes he bought a dummy for their 4th and that was poor, but no full back never gets beaten, Kamo also gets done by the same player afterwards, then Egan and Bjelland don't cover themselves in glory either, all before the goal is scored.
He was one of our best players yesterday along with Watkins when he came on.
Cannot fathom him getting any stick from a performance that stemmed from central defensive and central midfield issues.

Thought the same. Really impressed with him. Sit in New Road so found it easier to follow him first half but liked his attitude. Put a blinding ball along the ground across the box that nobody got on the end of.

 

[Sutton Bee]

Amazed he's getting stick for yesterday or any other game. He's probably been our best new signing and the biggest credit I can give him is that I'm never unhappy when he plays ahead of Colin who I'm a fan of.
Yes he bought a dummy for their 4th and that was poor, but no full back never gets beaten, Kamo also gets done by the same player afterwards, then Egan and Bjelland don't cover themselves in glory either, all before the goal is scored.
He was one of our best players yesterday along with Watkins when he came on.
Cannot fathom him getting any stick from a performance that stemmed from central defensive and central midfield issues.

I thought he was up there as 1 of the better performing starters, but he over committed a few times in the first half and left us exposed at the back. I doubt it'll happen too often after yesterday. You are right, how can he get stick though? He held his own. As a team we defended poorly until Sawyers came on and sat in front of the defence and marshalled the play quite nicely (a sentence I never thought I'd say)

 

[Mr Tree]

again just from a quick re-watch of the highlights, it's his great header that sets up Jota to feed Josefzoon, who messes up a glorious chance (at 0-0). there was a great low cross later in the first half too (not on youtube). he'll contribute to goals at both ends.

 

[busheybee]

Looked a real live wire and had real physical presence. Caught out once or twice but any player trying to make something happen is always going to risk making the odd mistake.

 

[Bixer]

Looking at the highlights on Forest's YouTube channel, his complete submission for their 4th was actually a little disgraceful. Got done and completely gave up.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Looking at the highlights on Forest's YouTube channel, his complete submission for their 4th was actually a little disgraceful. Got done and completely gave up.

Seriously? Disgraceful?
Look how far he was up the pitch, someone else loses it upfield (which isn't his fault), there are various Bees running back to cover, he still covers half the pitch to get back in the end, as he'd been doing all game up and down the flank, manages to cover one on the edge of the box, then has to try to get out wide to cover the next person too. You can see his head bob down as he's trying to get there.....the poor guy is clearly just fkin knackered and the guy does him on the inside and clearly doesn't have the energy to cope. It's as simple as that.

 

[Pauly Paul]

I think we forget he's a centre forward that became a right midfielder, that became a right wing back.

 

[Bixer]

Seriously? Disgraceful?
Look how far he was up the pitch, someone else loses it upfield (which isn't his fault), there are various Bees running back to cover, he still covers half the pitch to get back in the end, as he'd been doing all game up and down the flank, manages to cover one on the edge of the box, then has to try to get out wide to cover the next person too. You can see his head bob down as he's trying to get there.....the poor guy is clearly just fkin knackered and the guy does him on the inside and clearly doesn't have the energy to cope. It's as simple as that.

Sawyers or Vibe do the same and they'd be absolutely crucified on here

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Sawyers or Vibe do the same and they'd be absolutely crucified on here

I don't see any comparison at all personally.
He didn't lose the ball. He had several covering players. He was bombing up and down the flanks all game working his nuts off.
Bjelland holds the guy up initially but then gets skinned for pace completely, Egan runs back and managed to cover neither of their two attackers, Dalsgaard still gets back but is knackered and covers an attacker on the edge of the box then tries to cover the next man and gets done, and then Kamo also gets done from an easier position to stop him, and then Egan also fails to make a block, and then Bjelland blocks a shot unwittingly and it falls nicely for their player.
It's incredibly harsh to say he's rubbish as a result. Numerous Bees could have stopped the attack not just him!

 

[RoyBee]

I thought the positives of his performance far outweighed any negatives. I'm very surprised at how much stick he's getting on here.

 

[Bixer]

It's incredibly harsh to say he's rubbish as a result.

Which is why I've said nothing of the sort

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Which is why I've said nothing of the sort

You did say:

his complete submission for their 4th was actually a little disgraceful. Got done and completely gave up

Which perhaps isn't as far as saying he was rubbish but it's equally unfair.

 

[djheavens]

Thought he was excellent going forward and great engine but in doing so was a bit caught out of position defensively a few times ..

 

[Bixer]

Which perhaps isn't as far as saying he was rubbish but it's equally unfair.

To each their own, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying the goal was single-handedly his fault and I'm aware that it wasn't his fault that we lost the ball and were quickly on the back foot, but I still think his attempt to shield their winger down the line and subsequent sticking of his leg out was quite weak and he didn't seem to be in any kind of hurry to rectify it.

I'm a big fan, I think he's got a bright future here with us and it's already testament to his quality that he's been able to keep Colin out of the side. I was just a little disappointed with that particular incident. No one should be immune from criticism.

 

[hanworthbee]

I think we forget he's a centre forward that became a right midfielder, that became a right wing back.

Usually a sigh of a player who isn't good enough....next stop the bench.....hopefully

 

[kevalutonbee]

Usually a sigh of a player who isn't good enough....next stop the bench.....hopefully

Just out of interest, what is your view of Kevin O'Connor?

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

To each their own, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not saying the goal was single-handedly his fault and I'm aware that it wasn't his fault that we lost the ball and were quickly on the back foot, but I still think his attempt to shield their winger down the line and subsequent sticking of his leg out was quite weak and he didn't seem to be in any kind of hurry to rectify it.

I'm a big fan, I think he's got a bright future here with us and it's already testament to his quality that he's been able to keep Colin out of the side. I was just a little disappointed with that particular incident. No one should be immune from criticism.

Well I agree nobody should be immune from criticism (and don't think he covered himself in glory in that instance) whilst obviously disagreeing that quite such stinging criticism is justified this case (especially as I thought he was one of our better players on Sat).
Anyway let's move on and hope the bigger issues are solved ahead of tomorrow night!

 

[mhead bee]

Amazed he's getting stick for yesterday or any other game. He's probably been our best new signing and the biggest credit I can give him is that I'm never unhappy when he plays ahead of Colin who I'm a fan of.
Yes he bought a dummy for their 4th and that was poor, but no full back never gets beaten, Kamo also gets done by the same player afterwards, then Egan and Bjelland don't cover themselves in glory either, all before the goal is scored.
He was one of our best players yesterday along with Watkins when he came on.
Cannot fathom him getting any stick from a performance that stemmed from central defensive and central midfield issues.

Agree. A very good signing and considering it is 2 games in I think he is the only one who deserves his place ahead of the existing players. I want to see woods, Barbet and dean back in tommorow, sawyers in for josh and Ollie for flo and the new CF to start. We need to get a win in.

 

[clactonbee]

Thought he was excellent going forward and great engine but in doing so was a bit caught out of position defensively a few times ..

Backs should defend. Why have they got to do two jobs. Let the wingers do the attacking. We have let in too many goals over the last couple of years.
Maybe having wing-backs does not work.

 

[nick logan]

2 unlucky defeats and we need to drop everyone.

never gets any better on here :lol:

 

[jlove]

2 unlucky defeats and we need to drop everyone.

never gets any better on here :lol:

Yeah... and as for that **** Woods, I didn't notice him do anything!

 

[Doovster]

2 unlucky defeats and we need to drop everyone.

never gets any better on here :lol:

Mate, thank God I'm on holiday and not at work today. This place is gloomsville at present.

 

[shouldbee]

Backs should defend. Why have they got to do two jobs. Let the wingers do the attacking. We have let in too many goals over the last couple of years.
Maybe having wing-backs does not work.

He does defend and did very well on Saturday. Attacking down the flanks is a major part of his role in the team, just following team instructions :scratch:

 

[hanworthbee]

Just out of interest, what is your view of Kevin O'Connor?

Not good enough for the championship.....

 

[Pauly Paul]

Usually a sigh of a player who isn't good enough....next stop the bench.....hopefully

Guess you said the same about Moses Odubajo?

 

[BerksBee]

Backs should defend. Why have they got to do two jobs. Let the wingers do the attacking. We have let in too many goals over the last couple of years.
Maybe having wing-backs does not work.

It's the way the modern game is played. Long gone are the days when right and left backs did nothing but defend.

Part of the problem I think is that neither Canos or Jota do a lot to get back and help out the two left and right backs who are expected to get forward and link play with the two wingers. That's a little unfair on Canos, he does work quite well with Henry and does track back to help him out, but Jota does very little. Even when he does track back, he's really not that great in defensive mode. So poor old Dalsgaard is having to do a heck of a lot of running up and down that right flank, because no-one gets back to help him out or cover him when he's caught out of position.

 

[Ealing Bee]

on the other hand - it's Dalsgaard's third game in England. give him a couple of months and he might show great progress, adjustment, etc and look dynamite. you can understand why some at the club were attracted to the strong elements of his game. with the foreigners, i always come back to thinking that it took Jota a couple of months before he started really looking tasty.... so, we'll see.

This

Forest was the first time I'd seen him and yes, there were problems with his performance, but these were mostly either first touch (early season) or positioning (can be fixed when he's had a few more games to get used to things).

As against that, I thought he showed enormous potential - strength, stamina, attacking, heading - and much as I admire Max, my initial impression is that Henrik can become even better.

As an immediate fix, though, I'd like to see Harley back, since he'd surely provide better guidance than Egan/Bjelland to help him settle.

 

[Ealing Bee]

On the contrary I remember Jota skinning players on the outside in his first season, doesn't seem to do it anymore.

I've no doubt Jota is still quite capable of skinning the left back on the outside, but the problem is that that takes him into the corner.

And not only do we not have the players to get on the end of a high* cross from out wide, but it also means he's no longer in a position to score himself, or even thread passes through for colleagues in scoring positions.


* - There are only so many times you can send it in low before defenders get wise and cut it out easily.

 

[nick logan]

Mate, thank God I'm on holiday and not at work today. This place is gloomsville at present.

Yep , good to see people ignoring the pleas from the main man and DS for an " all in it together " attitude this season

 

[gashbee]

Have to say that I liked what I saw on Saturday, aside from their 4th goal.
Good player that will get better.

 

[thickobee]

He's undoubtedly an asset to the squad, but I'll say again, control! He's getting into "second touch is a tackle" territory too often. And how he gets away with some of his throw ins amazes me. Not just his upper body action but feet off the ground as well. Happy to see this 'modern' approach accepted by refs but would object if it were the opposition!

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

He's undoubtedly an asset to the squad, but I'll say again, control! He's getting into "second touch is a tackle" territory too often. And how he gets away with some of his throw ins amazes me. Not just his upper body action but feet off the ground as well. Happy to see this 'modern' approach accepted by refs but would object if it were the opposition!

Heh, I noticed loads of foul throws yesterday too, and mentioned it to bloke next to me (dunno if it was just Dalsgaard or others too). I don't really care though as I think it's a pretty pointless rule as long as the person doesn't just roll it underarm or something.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

He's undoubtedly an asset to the squad, but I'll say again, control! He's getting into "second touch is a tackle" territory too often. And how he gets away with some of his throw ins amazes me. Not just his upper body action but feet off the ground as well. Happy to see this 'modern' approach accepted by refs but would object if it were the opposition!

lol noticed this, im sure everyone of his throws have been fouls

 

[Old B]

lol noticed this, im sure everyone of his throws have been fouls

His throw in technique is rather unusual, as close to a foul throw as possible.

 

[ruislip bee]

lol noticed this, im sure everyone of his throws have been fouls

Yep we noticed this too. I thought he was much quieter last night than Saturday. Not sure he and Jota were linking that well.

 

[HertfordBee]

I don't mean to be too disparaging of Dalsgaard too early, but Maxime Colin must be wondering how on earth he's lost the right-back spot to him.

 

[alexcavell]

I don't mean to be too disparaging of Dalsgaard too early, but Maxime Colin must be wondering how on earth he's lost the right-back spot to him.

Neither do I, but Josh Clarke must be wondering the same :/

 

[jlove]

I don't mean to be too disparaging of Dalsgaard too early, but Maxime Colin must be wondering how on earth he's lost the right-back spot to him.

I'd guess he lost it because of his child, then because of Henry...

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

I'd guess he lost it because of his child, then because of Henry...

And Dalsgaard has been very good for us.......(can't comment on this game though as I didn't see it).

 

[rhbee]

And Dalsgaard has been very good for us.......(can't comment on this game though as I didn't see it).

Didn't do anything wrong in the game.

 

[Balders Bee]

And Dalsgaard has been very good for us.......(can't comment on this game though as I didn't see it).

Not sure I agree with the Very Good assessment to be honest -like you didn't see him today. Tall lad who likes to get forward but from what I've seen is struggling positionally. With a back four it's usual practice for the full back to 'tuck in' with the Centre Halves when the other full back ventures forward, Dalsgaard doesn't seem to have grasped this & spent the Bristol City game taking up Jota's space. Sometimes out muscled as well which I wouldn't expect from him as he's a big unit.

Early days & like his willingness to get forward just hope he settles down to his defensive duties.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

Looks pretty average to me. If we'd picked him up on a free transfer or for a nominal fee I don't think anyone would have an issue. But for a million quid you might expect a little more?

In any case, Colin is a better right back but we need him at LB for the time being.

 

[Col T]

I like him BUT I'm not convinced yet as to his defensive qualities. Great going forward but for me Colin for right back at the moment

 

[rhbee]

Can we appreciate a second the fact that he started his career originally at striker, and so might not still be the fully fledged, polished RB that we want currently? Yes, we could of possibly got better but in this market not for 900k

 

[Balders Bee]

Can we appreciate a second the fact that he started his career originally at striker, and so might not still be the fully fledged, polished RB that we want currently? Yes, we could of possibly got better but in this market not for 900k

Apparently he converted to a full back in the 2011-12 season for Danish Superliga club AaB & he's 28 years old so I would hope he's pretty polished in that position.

I can accept it may take him a while to adapt to the pace and rigour of Championship football....just hope it's not too long.

 

[Oldmead]

Early days as he is still settling, but I am afraid he had an absolute stinker today

 

[rhbee]

Apparently he converted to a full back in the 2011-12 season for Danish Superliga club AaB & he's 28 years old so I would hope he's pretty polished in that position.

I can accept it may take him a while to adapt to the pace and rigour of Championship football....just hope it's not too long.

Dammit. Well that then. xD