Long throws

Long throws

I was impressed that in his after match comments on Sky, Maresca had obviously really looked at this. When asked about our long throws he said yes they have several that can do it. He reeled off Jensen, Schade, Kayode and Pinnock. It also got a mention on MoTD who also were pretty complimentary
 

Long throws

This will sound controversial, but I’ve always thought Kayode’s throws are too deep and close to the goal.

We seem to have more success when we win the first ball / mak first contact, but where we look to flick it on instead for a secondary contact and attempt at goal.

Trying to score from the first contact from a long throw into the penalty box seems much harder and much less likely.

Although don’t get me wrong - I love the chaos from Kayode’s long throws. But the two that Schade put in to the box in the second half weren’t as deep but one forced the keeper to make a fingertip save while the other resulted in the equaliser.
 

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Five goals from long throws more than any other Club.

Mr Pulis was right! lol

Chuck it into the mixer and let’s see what comes of it…..
 

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The element of chaos.
We are more dangerous from throw ins than corners.
We are ahead of the curve again, the others are playing catch up.
Chelsea are a top 4 side in the making but their defending from throw ins was head push and hope.
Purists scoff, smarter teams are beginning to jump on the bandwagon.
We find the edge quicker than most and that’s why this is our 5th consecutive season in the PL.
 

Long throws

I was impressed that in his after match comments on Sky, Maresca had obviously really looked at this. When asked about our long throws he said yes they have several that can do it. He reeled off Jensen, Schade, Kayode and Pinnock. It also got a mention on MoTD who also were pretty complimentary
Maresca was class about it tbf, usually is IMO.
 

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I used to be a non fan of them, but if you have them in your locker then it makes perfect sense to use them as an attacking threat.
 

Long throws

How is a long throw any different from a corner, only from a different angle? We have had an edge (Andrews maybe), but we have been rumbled. The media and oppo coaches now understand it a weapon that we have perfected. Elite club fans call us Stoke.

I wonder how this might develop as a top flight tactic?
 

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Didn't Roger Cross have a long throw ? Others ?
David Hunt? Clayton Donaldson.
And white boots and long hair.
I’m not sure if those helped his long throw!

As others have said, it’s coming from a different angle and trajectory to a corner or free kick, often hurled directly at goal. A bit of pushing and blocking and mayhem ensues (don’t let it bounce!) There was a player in the FA Cup last season, who was chucking it in from anywhere up to the half way line. The next development could be the application of spin (leg or off?), maybe if someone was double jointed?
Teams practice defending set pieces, it’s even in our pre-match warm up. I notice these things, although it did take me quite a few weeks to realise the defenders always won. We don’t practice with/for long throws, pre-match.
 

Long throws

How is a long throw any different from a corner, only from a different angle? We have had an edge (Andrews maybe), but we have been rumbled. The media and oppo coaches now understand it a weapon that we have perfected. Elite club fans call us Stoke.

I wonder how this might develop as a top flight tactic?
It is a little different because the ball starts it's box-bound trajectory at five or six feet greater height. The flight of the ball is thus a bit flatter which can make it easier to get a near post flick on and harder for defenders to set themselves. It's a marginal difference but as we've seen it can be significant.
 

Long throws

I used to be a non fan of them, but if you have them in your locker then it makes perfect sense to use them as an attacking threat.
I’m not sure I ever used to think about them much until we scored our second goal v Arsenal on 13/8/21 from one. I decided at that point I was quite a big fan of them.
 

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Long throws used to be derided in pre stats football as the preserve of anti football teams like Wimbledon and Stoke. Was a real snobbery about it. Now we're seeing teams that can play, like us, deploying the tactic, with stats to back up efficacy. So more and more teams will follow suit.
 

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Long throws used to be derided in pre stats football as the preserve of anti football teams like Wimbledon and Stoke. Was a real snobbery about it. Now we're seeing teams that can play, like us, deploying the tactic, with stats to back up efficacy. So more and more teams will follow suit.
Those clubs were I think rather more stats driven than we credit them. John Beck’s strategies were based on stats. A lot less sophisticated and maybe more by eye than PhD number crunching than today, but still based on some thought about probabilities.
 

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Those clubs were I think rather more stats driven than we credit them. John Beck’s strategies were based on stats. A lot less sophisticated and maybe more by eye than PhD number crunching than today, but still based on some thought about probabilities.
You're right to be fair, Charles Reep pioneering from the 50's. His ideas fell out of fashion for a while but were probably the start of stats based set pieces/gameplans. Remember Beck's teams were all about hitting balls into the channels by the corner flags. Think they even left the grass longer in those areas at their place so the ball would hold up.
 

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Those clubs were I think rather more stats driven than we credit them. John Beck’s strategies were based on stats. A lot less sophisticated and maybe more by eye than PhD number crunching than today, but still based on some thought about probabilities.
The height of my lawn is still longer in the corners…
 

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This will sound controversial, but I’ve always thought Kayode’s throws are too deep and close to the goal.
MK's throws are ridiculous - they go to the middle of the goal or back post area generally - so there may be something in that..

Maybe he needs to wind it in a bit -take a bit off them :)
 

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Maresca was class about it tbf, usually is IMO.
He is clearly a manager that looks at every detail to gain an advantage both for his team and the opposition. I suspect breaking up play by falling over when someone is within a yard of you is not just down to certain individuals but has come from higher up.
 

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It is a little different because the ball starts it's box-bound trajectory at five or six feet greater height. The flight of the ball is thus a bit flatter which can make it easier to get a near post flick on and harder for defenders to set themselves. It's a marginal difference but as we've seen it can be significant.
I'm not sure I'd describe Kayodes deliveries as flat
 

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It is a little different because the ball starts it's box-bound trajectory at five or six feet greater height. The flight of the ball is thus a bit flatter which can make it easier to get a near post flick on and harder for defenders to set themselves. It's a marginal difference but as we've seen it can be significant.
It’s also flatter because of the backspin imparted on the ball whereas corner kicks are more often than not bent and dipping (whipped).
 

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I think Ian Huchinson of Chelsea, with the windmill arms could get it into the Penalty Area, circa 1970,s.
Didn't he generate the length due to something akin to dislocating his shoulders when he took a throw?
 

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Ultimately getting the ball in the box either from a throw in, corner or free kick is to create a goalscoring opportunity, so I'm not sure why the purists of the game try to belittle it, us as fans just want to see the ball hit the back of the net regardless of whether it takes 45 Pep passes or one throw or one flick on the result is the same.
 

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You're right to be fair, Charles Reep pioneering from the 50's. His ideas fell out of fashion for a while but were probably the start of stats based set pieces/gameplans. Remember Beck's teams were all about hitting balls into the channels by the corner flags. Think they even left the grass longer in those areas at their place so the ball would hold up.
Seem to recall us hitting long balls into that area for Marcus Gayle to head down/lay off for Blissett and or Holdsworth to do their worst!! A very successful tactic for the Bees in that era.
 

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However,every team that play us in their next game will be practising defending long throws into the box.
 

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we're more likely to get a throw in than a corner ,Therefore the percent of goals from long throws will be higher than goals from corners
 

Long throws

However,every team that play us in their next game will be practising defending long throws into the box.
Only if they’ve got someone to take one?
 

Long throws

However,every team that play us in their next game will be practising defending long throws into the box.
We’ve been doing it for over 4 years so it isn’t as simple as that. But as more clubs are trying it there probably will come a point when it isn’t such a powerful tactic and typically we’ll have identified something else to give us an edge.
 

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Only if they’ve got someone to take one?
Gap in the market for a long throw machine? I'm gonna pop up into Kew CC this evening to see if they have a bowling machine they're not using. ;-)
 

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As off-side doesn’t come into play until the first touch, I’d be tempted to park a player on the back post against this tactic, Paul Reaney style (for those of you with long memories).

Edit: probably best that we don’t blaze this trail ourselves, for obvious reasons. 🤣
 

Long throws

This will sound controversial, but I’ve always thought Kayode’s throws are too deep and close to the goal.

We seem to have more success when we win the first ball / mak first contact, but where we look to flick it on instead for a secondary contact and attempt at goal.

Trying to score from the first contact from a long throw into the penalty box seems much harder and much less likely.

Although don’t get me wrong - I love the chaos from Kayode’s long throws. But the two that Schade put in to the box in the second half weren’t as deep but one forced the keeper to make a fingertip save while the other resulted in the equaliser.
I imagine Kayode's brief is just to get the ball into the POMO (centre of the 6 yard box) and then let chaos ensue until someone hopefully nods or pokes or taps or nudges or scuffs it in (add to that list as you please).

No clue if it's more effective than aiming for a front post flick-on, but it's certainly fun to watch!
 

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Long throws: How Brentford became the Premier League kings in this department amid goal spree
Long throws: How Brentford became the Premier League kings in this department amid goal spree

Chelsea were warned. Brentford's Kevin Schade picked up the ball on 88 minutes and threw it into the Blues penalty area. The defenders let it bounce - and Robert Sanchez had to tip the ball over the bar.

But they would not be let off the hook a second time.

With minutes remaining, Schade picked up the ball again and this time the long throw found a way into Sanchez's net. Kristoffer Ajer flicked the it on and Fabio Carvalho tapped home at the far post.

It was Brentford's seventh goal from a long throw since the start of last season. No other top-flight side has more than two. A few days later the Bees got another when Aaron Hickey volleyed home from another long throw routine in the Carabao Cup win over Aston Villa. This is not just a weapon, it's a machine.

The noise around long throws has increased dramatically in 2025. Its use has grown year-on-year, with the numbers rising in the last 12 months. Thomas Tuchel has said he has considered utilising it for his England team.

But the way Brentford see it, the rest of the country is just catching up. The Bees have been mastering this particular skill for years.

So much so, that Carvalho's goal against Chelsea is a carbon copy goal of Christian Norgaard's strike against Arsenal in August 2021 - in the Bees' first ever Premier League match.

"It's not new to us," said Keith Andrews after the draw with Chelsea. "I felt there's a little bit of snobbery in the game around scenarios like that, but if the big boys do it then it seems to be accepted."

A key part of Brentford's long throw success is their throw-in coach Thomas Gronnemark, who works with them on a consultancy basis, while also working with multiple teams across Europe. That includes Danish club FC Midtjylland - who were Brentford's sister club until 2023 - who have scored 11 goals from long throws this year."What they're doing is bringing in a guy from Denmark who only worked with throw-ins, nothing else," says Gronnemark to Sky Sports, explaining his role in the Brentford set-up.

Just like against Chelsea, Brentford's long-throw threat has proven to be attritional. And that's part of the secret, as revealed to Sky Sports by Marc Orti Esteban, who was a set-piece analyst at Brentford until last season, and now works at New England Revolution.

"Let's say in a game we have 10 long throws, and we don't create any chances we know in the next game, we're still going to do it because in the long run, we're aware of how much it gives to us," Esteban reveals.

"There are other clubs where maybe if it doesn't work for a week, then they don't do it anymore or they don't do it as much. So the consistency in the approach and knowing that it's a valuable weapon, even though it may not work for a couple of games, makes a difference."

Part of the reason why Brentford have so many long throw chances, is they have so many players trained in this discipline.

Full-back Michael Kayode is Brentford's main long throw threat due to the distance he can reach, but the Bees also rely on Ethan Pinnock, Mathias Jensen and, as seen against Chelsea, Schade as alternative options. Midfielder Frank Onyeka was the long throw expert against Villa. The list is endless.

"In the whole group, they have like five, six, seven world-class throwers," says Gronnemark. "I created them.

"It means that every time that Brentford are playing on the pitch, no matter when it is, they'll probably always have two, three or four world-class throwers."

The range in profiles for long throwers is really striking. Pinnock and Kayode's long throw threat is no surprise given they are both defenders over 6 foot.
But Jensen is one of the smaller players - as well as the most technically gifted with his feet - in the team. Schade is also the quickest player in the team, but is equally efficient with his hands.

"Ethan Pinnock, he's an example of the tall type of long thrower," says Gronnemark, who also worked with a similar profile in former Brentford defender Mads Bech Sorensen, who is now creating all those long throw goals at Danish club Midtjylland.

"He has long arms so it means he has a long work way, which gives him an advantage.

"Then you have Schade, he's the fast type. A lot of players have fast twitch fibres, so they are explosive on the pitch. As a result, they are also explosive with throw-ins.

"When I came into Brentford, they also said to me: we want some of the smaller guys to be able to take throw-ins. We looked at Jensen. He has quite flexible shoulder joints. So he improved from medium to world-class with a more efficient technique.

"But another advantage with Jensen throwing is that if he gets the ball back to him after the long throw-in, it's like a penalty kick on the side of the box. And this is a fantastic situation. So having a small guy like him throwing really far, that's really good."

What makes a good long throw?

Given it is growing in the game, it is worth asking Gronnemark as to what makes a good long throw. First, as Brentford have in abundance, you need a good thrower. Or seven.

"I normally say if you can throw approximately 34 meters (37 yards) in a test where it lands on the ground, then it's world-class," says Gronnemark.

"That's approximately around the penalty spot on the ground. But this is also approximately the front post in the air. If your player can't throw it into the six-yard box in a match, you shouldn't use them."

The next is who that throw falls to. "If you can have three, four good headers on your team and one of them is not throwing, you already have a quite good advantage," adds the Danish throw-in expert.

The last important aspect is good strategy at the throw-in. That could include space creation - using blockers to hold off defenders to force gaps, or making runs from deep.

"There are long throw strategy or tactics - and you need to have many different options," says Gronnemark. "I'm not saying you have to have 10 different options, but you have to work with at least three or four.

"Because if it's too easy to read for the opponents, if it's too easy for them to sandwich specific places and the spaces are small, then it's harder to score a goal.

"Do different kinds of space creation instead. One of the challenges is that a lot of people don't know how to create space at the opponent's penalty area."

Another key part of the throw-in is the second phase. For example, Hickey's goal against Villa was an example of Brentford reacting swiftly to the initial clearance from the long throw.

Brentford scored a similar goal against Manchester United in the Premier League last season, where Mikkel Damsgaard forced Luke Shaw's own goal by pressing well on the edge of the box after the initial set-piece was cleared again.

"It's about how you occupy the spaces for second balls and the second phase, because usually it's hard to score from a first contact in this type of situations in a long throw," says Brentford's former set-piece analyst Esteban.

"What's very important is how you can make sure you have players in the right areas."

These are very similar principles to how Brentford play generally through intense pressing and counter-pressing. In the list of the top 12 most frequent pressers in the Premier League so far this season lie three Brentford players, more than any other top-flight team.

"I'd say it's quite similar to what you can see from Brentford from open play," adds Esteban. "It's about being aggressive, making sure you're close to those second balls, crowding areas where you know the ball is going to go.

"And then from there, try to get people in the box and try to get crosses, try to create situations as soon as you can."

Brentford's dead ball and open play principles being linked together could explain why Andrews was selected as Thomas Frank's replacement - and promoting their set-piece coach is not the only way the Bees have led the way in this department for a while.

While Andrews is in the west London hotseat, their other former set-piece coaches in Nicolas Jover, Bernardo Cueva, Andreas Georgson and others have moved onto roles at Arsenal, Chelsea, both Manchester clubs and Spurs.

As was seen last weekend, Chelsea could not stop the Bees from set-pieces even though they had Cueva - who was Andrews' predecessor as set-piece coach at Brentford - in their ranks.

And if he can't stop them, who can?
 

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Q: So when do you think our first ‘goal’ will be ruled out by VAR for a ‘foul-throw’?
Fulham are as ‘rin-pot’ as us so not this WE, but a good chance v Man U I’d say. Anything to spare the anointed ones any more embarrassment and their paper-bag defence needs all the help it can get.

PS I’m not saying our long-throws are ‘foul’ just that we all know ref’s and their predilection for the big boys. And the lack of protection that we get which is quite noticeable so far this season I think.
 

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Q: So when do you think our first ‘goal’ will be ruled out by VAR for a ‘foul-throw’?
Fulham are as ‘rin-pot’ as us so not this WE, but a good chance v Man U I’d say. Anything to spare the anointed ones any more embarrassment and their paper-bag defence needs all the help it can get.

PS I’m not saying our long-throws are ‘foul’ just that we all know ref’s and their predilection for the big boys. And the lack of protection that we get which is quite noticeable so far this season I think.
They will just still blow up for non fouls in the area like the Villa disallowed goal. Easier to cover up.
 

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I’d love to remember what a younger me thought of Pulis, Delap and Stoke City all those years ago. I probably mocked it.

Now the flip-flop is on the other foot and it’s Brentford, I’m all for it.

Once again, the fickle life of a football fan.
Yeah but we play football too
 
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