Long throws

Long throws

HaylingBee74 said:
I would prefer a long throw to a corner
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Long throws can be a real threat because they often loop into the penalty area and are harder for defenders to clear with distance (hence Hickey on Tuesday dropped nicely for him on the edgr of the penalty area), whereas corners are delivered with pace and allow defenders to clear with far more distance - velocity and all that.
 

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Brentford77 said:
Tend to agree. The much lower power of a thrown ball vs. one kicked means it’s really tough to get any distance on a clearing header so the second ball often falls into a much more promising area. Ask Aaron!
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I hope the opposition dont realise that for a season or two, that way we can get a throw from a corner
 

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nick logan said:
Yeah but we play football too
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It’s a long time ago and I had little interest in PL games beyond occasionally watching MotD highlights so I can’t remember quite how Stoke actually played. But apart from their first season or so up, the Stoke fans I know from back then still say the characterisation of how they played was a little unfair. They particularly take umbrage at it from Arsenal fans after seeing Arsenal trying to kick them off the pitch during a period when everyone purred about Arsenal.

Which all sounds rather reminiscent of what fans of other teams say about us and our very different perception of how we’ve played.

There’s probably in both cases a bit of sour grapes at losing to smaller clubs punching above their weights and making the most of any advantages they could get.
 

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AB said:
It’s a long time ago and I had little interest in PL games beyond occasionally watching MotD highlights so I can’t remember quite how Stoke actually played. But apart from their first season or so up, the Stoke fans I know from back then still say the characterisation of how they played was a little unfair. They particularly take umbrage at it from Arsenal fans after seeing Arsenal trying to kick them off the pitch during a period when everyone purred about Arsenal.

Which all sounds rather reminiscent of what fans of other teams say about us and our very different perception of how we’ve played.

There’s probably in both cases a bit of sour grapes at losing to smaller clubs punching above their weights and making the most of any advantages they could get.
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They could play a bit too. Decent players (though not necessarily spellings) eg, Shaquiri, Arnautovic, Shawcross. Cherry-picked by big clubs, and then decline with lesser replacements, and relegation.
 
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JANORAK said:
They could play a bit too. Decent players (though not necessarily spellings) eg, Shaquiri, Arnautovic, Shawcross. Cherry-picked by big clubs, and then decline with lesser replacements, and relegation.
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IIRC they also had a bit of a “let’s evolve into a more footballing club”.
 

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Fulham dealt with long throws just as easily as our corners today. Doesn’t take a PL coaching team too long to adapt to a repetitive strategy. Far too predictable now. We have to mix this up. When a side absolutely knows what you are going to do next, it’s time to do something different. With everyone crowded together in the box, such an opportunity for us to go short and pose a different threat.

Edit: Ewobi just now saying they’ve been working on defending these all week!!!!!
 

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It's a bit embarrassing when you keep just launching them into the box hoping something happens
 

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Nothing wrong with keeping trying to cause chaos with long throws…but it just looks fkin desperate when you set up with a team to try to contain Real Madrid and nick a goal, but you’re playing Fulham. Then still concede three and nearly more.
 

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Long throws work, you just need to have a plan when the throw comes into the box. Sticking a couple of centre backs at the near post to try and win the first header seems as far as our planning goes. Last season, ironically with Keith overseeing them, they seemed to create a bit more chaos. The same with corners.
 

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They headed every throw clear and we didn’t have anyone on the edge of the box to collect.

I think they’re going to become too familiar and that breeds contempt.
 

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Bridge Bee said:
They headed every throw clear and we didn’t have anyone on the edge of the box to collect.

I think they’re going to become too familiar and that breeds contempt.
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Think they already have. We need to start trying to play some football again. We used to be quite good at it.
 

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They clearly work, Fulham just did their homework. I doubt a disorganised Man Utd will deal with them so easily tbh.
 

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Stop falling into the trap the media set by making it a topic all week. There was no difference last night to anything we've done the past few years. If the ball went out level with the penalty area we throw it long.

Nothing wrong with the tactic, we just played garbage when the ball was in play last night.
 

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Simon C said:
Stop falling into the trap the media set by making it a topic all week. There was no difference last night to anything we've done the past few years. If the ball went out level with the penalty area we throw it long.

Nothing wrong with the tactic, we just played garbage when the ball was in play last night.
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From the Villa game the general concensus on here was that Frank’s (and Kevin’s) throw ins were more effective that Kayode’s
 

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Lionel Bart-At said:
Fulham dealt with long throws just as easily as our corners today. Doesn’t take a PL coaching team too long to adapt to a repetitive strategy. Far too predictable now. We have to mix this up. When a side absolutely knows what you are going to do next, it’s time to do something different. With everyone crowded together in the box, such an opportunity for us to go short and pose a different threat.

Edit: Ewobi just now saying they’ve been working on defending these all week!!!!!
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my thinking too . Lets surprise the oppo by planning silky attacking football instead of long ball and throw ins
 

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The difference from fulham and Chelsea
Fulham have better defenders than Chelsea
So apart from one in the first half
They were not much threat at all.
other teams will wise up to it
We have the players to attack
 

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Nothing wrong with long throws. No one gets offended by corners….
 

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sheffbee said:
I was impressed that in his after match comments on Sky, Maresca had obviously really looked at this. When asked about our long throws he said yes they have several that can do it. He reeled off Jensen, Schade, Kayode and Pinnock. It also got a mention on MoTD who also were pretty complimentary
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And FTT, think his low trajectory long distance throws were particularly effective.
 

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I miss the David Raya long throws from his area to get the counter attack going quickly. Reminiscent of Schmeichel snr at his best. I wonder if Kelleher has this?
 

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W5BeesFan said:
I miss the David Raya long throws from his area to get the counter attack going quickly. Reminiscent of Schmeichel snr at his best. I wonder if Kelleher has this?
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Manu Sotelo has been our GK coach since the 2020-21 season, so there’s every reason to think long throws will be part of his coaching manual. With a new ‘keeper, he’ll be working through from the basics, so it may be a while before they get to that page. Though, once he’s got it, it will be necessary to add it to the team coaching to take advantage of it.

With all the changes, it’s going to be some time before the squad get to the advanced stages… even though some fans seem to think it's just adding some new quality players, stir and just add water…
 

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That towel they use: on the North Stand side, at least, it's always the same blue and white one with some kind of design on if. Surely they aren't wiping the mud off on a QPR crest?
 

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So if they're thinking of maximum times for throw ins are they going to do the same for free kicks outside the box where the attacking team has been fouled but have to wait an age whilst the defending team sets up walls, draft excluders and any other blockade to remove any advantage for the attacking side who shouls be allowedto take the free kick as quickly as they like !!!!!
 

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I’m not against any measures that aim to increase the time that the ball is in play but it’s how it’s applied that concerns me. Timekeeping needs to be removed from the match referee in my opinion and there be visible countdown clocks for throw ins and free kicks like they have in the tennis now.
 

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Said this on the Kayode thread, but I'm 100% convinced after all this this week, that one of ours will be booked for taking too long over a throw on Saturday...............
 

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badgerbee said:
Said this on the Kayode thread, but I'm 100% convinced after all this this week, that one of ours will be booked for taking too long over a throw on Saturday...............
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Yep, can picture it now, just like how they’d pre agreed to award a foul throw against Kayode when we played City a few weeks ago. I’ve never seen a Lino so desperate to raise his flag
 

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BEEcool said:
Yep, can picture it now, just like how they’d pre agreed to award a foul throw against Kayode when we played City a few weeks ago. I’ve never seen a Lino so desperate to raise his flag
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Yep!!
Exactly my thinking!!
And that foul throw decision was due to someone making a comment on the BBC Football website.............
 

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So, why is it acceptable to take twice as long for a corner than for a throw in? Is there a secret rule I’m not aware of? 🤷‍♂️
 

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ladbroke said:
We're even the image for the article.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ifab discusses countdown on throw-ins and goal-kicks

The Ifab - football's lawmakers - has discussed placing a countdown on throw-ins and goal-kicks to stop timewasting.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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So apparently it WAS brought up in their latest meeting.

So here's a thought...

This is likely been set up because of an "uproar' about the length of time throw ins took in the recent Liverpool defeat (of many) and the supposed time to take 10 throws by us.

May I point out that this is a dead ball set piece. Like any other dead ball set piece (corner, goal kick, free kick etc) every team will utilise their best player to take these and use it to their advantage. Especially the so called weaker teams who need to find alternative ways to beat the superstars of the best teams, otherwise you may as well just hand them the win pre match and save everyone the bother of turning up.

It is not new. It happens from the World Cup right down the the local park.

The same laws apply (apparently) to those at the top to those in the parks.

So let's look at it this way.

During an international match, England v Germany for arguments sake, Harry Maguire boots the ball into touch. With thousands of people watching, ball boys and extra balls, the game will likely return to in play on average 20-30 seconds.
Now, what if it was Dog & Duck v Local AFC? Joe Bloggs just kicked the ball out of touch. They only have 1 ball and no one to grab it so the player on the pitch gets it. Remember, whatever law you make has to be applied from top to bottom. Let's say you put a limit of 20 seconds. Its easy for pro game to do so as such. But poor old Dog & Duck will likely concede the throw they just earned because its taken them 30 seconds to retrieve the ball before setting themselves up to actually throw it.

If you make Throw Ins a mandatory time to take then you must do the same for all set pieces. Corners are the same as Throw ins. They leave the pitch by one team and are returned by another. Except this one is kicked in. But attacking (long) throws are frowned upon because teams send their big players up to attack them, no different to a corner.
And what about free kicks? Keepers slowly walk up to take them in their own half near the half way line these days. Why not have the nearest player take it if that's what you want throw ins to be done by by putting a time limit on them if you decide that.
Where will it end?

I understand the keeper with ball in hands one as that is actually in play. But not this.

Anyone got time to watch a Liverpool win (close one that is, a 1 goal win etc) and count how long it takes them to take a corner? May have to go back to September mind to find said game.
 

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Nearly everytime I see a long throw in it’s a foul throw - here’s the throw leading to Wolves 2nd goalIMG_1229.png - front foot over the line and the back foot off the ground - it can’t be long before VAR gets involved and cancels goals - Last night Var wasn’t in use but I hope it’s not us that are pinged for it first!
 

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Aussie Bee said:
Nearly everytime I see a long throw in it’s a foul throw - here’s the throw leading to Wolves 2nd goalView attachment 61107 - front foot over the line and the back foot off the ground - it can’t be long before VAR gets involved and cancels goals - Last night Var wasn’t in use but I hope it’s not us that are pinged for it first!
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The front foot is legally placed. As long as some part of the foot is on the line, it's good.
You cannot tell if the rear foot is off the ground or not.
 

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Well I never knew that about the front foot - thought it had to be behind the line - cheers

If you watch the actually video I’m pretty sure the foot is off the ground when the ball is released
 
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