Loyalty/Ticket Access Points

[Banana]

Your reward for dropping Fulhamification? #soldout

I only have one price for that. And it's not points related.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Every year we have this, why can't they just roll over the total points people have earned and carry on?

 

[nocoat]

Because that would be stupid! Do I really need to explain why?!

 

[wanderer paul]

Or just roll over the points picked up from away tickets only?

 

[nocoat]

I think it should be rolling two years worth of away tickets

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Because that would be stupid! Do I really need to explain why?!

Its not stupid at all. Please do explain.

 

[nocoat]

So in twenty years you are going to have a load of old boys who have loads of points just by slowly building them up. Leaving all young bucks who want to do their tours unable to even get on the ladder.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

So in twenty years you are going to have a load of old boys who have loads of points just by slowly building them up. Leaving all young bucks who want to do their tours unable to even get on the ladder.

That would only apply if all the old fellas keep going to games, which may or may not happen. Perhaps then every 5 years or so they need to adjust it but previous attempts haven't been fair on those who have earned the most points. I hope whatever the club have thought up this time is thoroughly considered (unlike previously).

 

[Bill Benn]

Every year we have this, why can't they just roll over the total points people have earned and carry on?

Think the one year roll over works ok and fans like yourself who go to all the away games will always be in the 1st group for tickets.The only change I would add is for older fans like myself should get double the points for our outstanding support over the years.

 

[Bill Benn]

So in twenty years you are going to have a load of old boys who have loads of points just by slowly building them up. Leaving all young bucks who want to do their tours unable to even get on the ladder.

There is no room at new Brentford for glory hunting johny come latelys lol

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Think the one year roll over works ok and fans like yourself who go to all the away games will always be in the 1st group for tickets.The only change I would add is for older fans like myself should get double the points for our outstanding support over the years.

Have to see what the club do before we can say whether it works or not I suppose. The concept of carrying over only 10% etc. doesn't seems particularly fair unless the amount of points awarded for each game is reviewed as well. Anyway, how many points am I getting for Portugal next week?

 

[ruislip bee]

Think the one year roll over works ok and fans like yourself who go to all the away games will always be in the 1st group for tickets.The only change I would add is for older fans like myself should get double the points for our outstanding support over the years.

And an assurance that no one will stand or sing in front of us?

 

[Bill Benn]

And an assurance that no one will stand or sing in front of us?

Yep that's a given

 

[Bill Benn]

Have to see what the club do before we can say whether it works or not I suppose. The concept of carrying over only 10% etc. doesn't seems particularly fair unless the amount of points awarded for each game is reviewed as well. Anyway, how many points am I getting for Portugal next week?

I expect you will get vouchers to spend on Super Bocs ...have a great trip

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I expect you will get vouchers to spend on Super Bocs ...have a great trip

Haha, thanks mate.

 

[nocoat]

That would only apply if all the old fellas keep going to games, which may or may not happen. Perhaps then every 5 years or so they need to adjust it but previous attempts haven't been fair on those who have earned the most points. I hope whatever the club have thought up this time is thoroughly considered (unlike previously).

Changed to five years from never.
Perfect you agree entirely with my point then. that was easier than I thought it would be

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Changed to five years from never.
Perfect you agree entirely with my point then. that was easier than I thought it would be

I hadn't really considered two decades down the line. I was more concerned with the here and now. What use is a system that might benefit people in 20 years but doesn't benefit those of today?

 

[nocoat]

I dont quite think you have grasped this. Let's forget it. You win.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I dont quite think you have grasped this. Let's forget it. You win.

Its not really about winning. :scratch: Just a system that is most fair.

 

[nocoat]

 

[Bill Benn]

Its not really about winning. :scratch: Just a system that is most fair.

Wouldn't worry mate,you won't lose out.

 

[busheybee]

I watched John O'Mara and Mansley, Do I get first dibs on a ticket for Bristol City?

 

[sonofabee]

I watched John O'Mara and Mansley, Do I get first dibs on a ticket for Bristol City?

I saw both George and Michael Dobson play for us but don't expect to get a ticket unless over 2,000 odd released.

 

[Wise old Bee]

I saw Keith Hooker, George Kirby, two of the Wilkins brothers, Murray Jones, and Ashley Bayes. I'm much better now. I am a loyal arse but would be happy with any system that rewards the regular band of away travellers with first dibs on tickets for these games. I wouldn't expect to be in the top 1200 or so.

 

[sonofabee]

I saw Keith Hooker, George Kirby, two of the Wilkins brothers, Murray Jones, and Ashley Bayes. I'm much better now. I am a loyal arse but would be happy with any system that rewards the regular band of away travellers with first dibs on tickets for these games. I wouldn't expect to be in the top 1200 or so.

 

[ruislip bee]

I saw Keith Hooker, George Kirby, two of the Wilkins brothers, Murray Jones, and Ashley Bayes. I'm much better now. I am a loyal arse but would be happy with any system that rewards the regular band of away travellers with first dibs on tickets for these games. I wouldn't expect to be in the top 1200 or so.

Are you much better now, are you really? Have you had therapy. I saw them all too - I found therapy helped!

 

[Hullbee]

This all seems like a rather like a storm in a T cup to me. How many people couldn't get tickets for away games last season? If memory serves me right we rarely sold our full allocation and if we did most of the games you could pick tickets up on general sale

 

[Banana]

I've heard burger points are going. If that's true then I hope credit goes where credit is deserved

 

[Guildford Bee]

If everyone is having 10% carried over then those with the most points will still have the most points. What's the issue?

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

This all seems like a rather like a storm in a T cup to me. How many people couldn't get tickets for away games last season? If memory serves me right we rarely sold our full allocation and if we did most of the games you could pick tickets up on general sale

That isn't really the point, you need a system that works for when/if it is required, however rare that may be. QPR and Bristol City are going to give us low allocations, Fulham might not give us as many this season and Reading will be popular again, plus we don't know what cup games/allocation we have.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

If everyone is having 10% carried over then those with the most points will still have the most points. What's the issue?

But is 10% enough to really reward loyalty? Can it be caught up too soon? Potentially it can depending on what points the club allocate for ST's and away/cup games.

 

[nocoat]

Two year rolling total makes sense to me. 10% can be caught up far too quickly to be fair.

 

[nick logan]

But is 10% enough to really reward loyalty? Can it be caught up too soon? Potentially it can depending on what points the club allocate for ST's and away/cup games.

??

If Joe Bloggs had 1300 he now has 130
If Jim Bloggs had 700 he now has 70

Joe will always be in front if he keeps going away games

 

[Jay Bee]

??

If Joe Bloggs had 1300 he now has 130
If Jim Bloggs had 700 he now has 70

Joe will always be in front if he keeps going away games

Jim goes to 2 awkward early away games and now has 130 points...therefore making up what was a 600 point gap. If he'd done those awkward aways in April instead they would be almost worthless towards his total.

I take your point though, it's tough to come up with a totally fair system.
I got 300 + 600 points for buying the last two season tickets. I would suggest the numbers of points earned should double every season so the value of older loyalty doesn't get wiped out but it just gradually becomes devalued.

e.g. if it was
2013/14 300 points for a season ticket, 2-20 points for single games (very roughly)
2014/15 600 points for a season ticket, 4-40 points for single games
then going forwards it would be
2015/16 1,200 points for a season ticket, 8-80 points for single games
2016/17 2,400 points for a season ticket

and so on, no need to write off any points but just keep raising the loyalty bar accordingly for high profile games each season.

Then new loyalty is worth the most but a point earned is still a point earned and no-one actually loses 50% or 90% of their points.

I expect some home games were worth less than 4 points last season before someone mentions this....it's just an illustration.

 

[PhilE]

I would suggest the numbers of points earned should double every season so the value of older loyalty doesn't get wiped out but it just gradually becomes devalued.

Or the value of historical points reduce every year - similar to international rankings based on results:

2014/15 - 100%
2013/14 - 50%
2012/13 - 30%
2011/12 - 10%

 

[Jay Bee]

Yes, same effect, I suppose. Just more calculators needed.
I do think a sliding scale along with lines of what you or I have proposed seems fairer than the 90% write off that was discussed a year ago and hopefully the new system will be along those sort of fair lines.

 

[nocoat]

If nocoat goes to two away games. Nick Logan has a heartattack due to surprise. Does nocoat get Nicks points?

 

[nick logan]

TBH i don't know why they have changed it , i thought the system was fair.

 

[Bill Benn]

TBH i don't know why they have changed it , i thought the system was fair.

So did I

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

If nocoat goes to two away games. Nick Logan has a heartattack due to surprise. Does nocoat get Nicks points?

No, but you can have whatever cans he hasn't drunk.

 

[Guildford Bee]

But is 10% enough to really reward loyalty? Can it be caught up too soon? Potentially it can depending on what points the club allocate for ST's and away/cup games.

Yeah, but do we know that points will be allocated to the same scale ie will boro away still be 25 or could the maximum now be, say, 10 with an average per away game of around 5.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

Yeah, but do we know that points will be allocated to the same scale ie will boro away still be 25 or could the maximum now be, say, 10 with an average per away game of around 5.

No idea but I presume the days of 25 points per game will come to an end.

 

[maddogging]

Are Duckworth Lewis involved ?

 

[Kettering Bee]

TBH i don't know why they have changed it , i thought the system was fair.

#bignewambitions #wethinkthat'sfair #somethingforusmarketingboystoplaywith

 

[Billy Hunt]

#bignewambitions #wethinkthat'sfair #somethingforusmarketingboystoplaywith

The middle one really winds me up.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

The middle one really winds me up.

Awful, awful, awful - the marketing statement that is

 

[Guildford Bee]

Awful, awful, awful - the marketing statement that is

Indeed. That and "you already have the best seats in the house"...

 

[Bizzy Bee]

Indeed. That and "you already have the best seats in the house"...

But I don't, I stand!

 

[Boscombe Bee]

Im completely confused. I dont have a degree in Maths. All I want is a ticket for the game.

 

[PhilE]

So this thread should be renamed Ticket Access Points