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mhead bee
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You are completely deluded. Read my post, I think you will find it is the first post of the day. Just to recap I said am supportive of MW, I think he is knew to the job and although some things are good there are areas where he needs to improve and pretty quick etc etc. The replies today have been to call our squad conference standard, to say away teams park the bus and we have no answer (although to any half intelligent human being the fact we won 16 out of 19 means we must have scored in at least 16 of those games ....Doh!!!). The other responses saying we need new coaches, Van Persie wouldn't score for us, our midfield has no creativity and hasn't for some time...
I say again.....get a fkin grip man!
If being rational and honest makes me "happy clappy" then I am am glad I don't have to live in your world.
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last year is no good,was my point.......grigg isnt a bad player but he's not scoring goals.
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He's hardly going to top the goal scoring charts with 10-15 minute cameo roles invariably played out of position ?
I concede he hasn't merited a start when we were on such a successful run but if we don't find a quick loanee up front I'd be inclined to find a place for him now especially after two games without finding the net.
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We have wasted so much money on other unsuitable strikers ,Hayes, Farid, and now at appears Griggs we could have splashed out on a decent striker. failure to score goals ha been a problem for this club for a number of years and has been the failure of a number of previous managers Wolves and Orient have both scored 30 to 40% more goals than us, on Saturday Rotherham scored 4 in the first 35 mins when was the last time we did this.
I do wonder how we select players that we sign:
Who In the management team pushed for the signing of Hayes did we actually watch him
Why did we sign Farid when it was obvious that he was used to a different style of play compared to ours.
Did we buy Griggs based on the number of goals he scored for Walsall,then play him out of position added to which he has not been given the game time to settle in that was given to both Clayton and Trotta.
Added to all of this it seem to be an age since we scored from a corner or free kick or even scored a headed goal.
The majority of our signings now seem to have. some old connection to Watford
I do wonder how we select players that we sign:
Who In the management team pushed for the signing of Hayes did we actually watch him
Why did we sign Farid when it was obvious that he was used to a different style of play compared to ours.
Did we buy Griggs based on the number of goals he scored for Walsall,then play him out of position added to which he has not been given the game time to settle in that was given to both Clayton and Trotta.
Added to all of this it seem to be an age since we scored from a corner or free kick or even scored a headed goal.
The majority of our signings now seem to have. some old connection to Watford
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I just wish MW would elaborate slightly more in his interviews instead of rolling out the same old answers, but I guess if he asked the SAME questions every week it's really not surprising....
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What's poor management....trusting in the forward combinations that was predominantly in place for most of our 20 game unbeaten run. Grigg is on the bench for a reason and that because his form when he has played hasn't merited a starting place so to reinventing him as the messiah who will open up opposition defences at will and have a queue of potential suitors for his signature should he be surplus to requirements is not just not accepting the facts. He had another 20 minutes yesterday and unfortunately couldn't conjure up a winner so he is getting opportunities.
MW has made no secret that he is trying to bolster the forward options and in this respect I really can't see why he can be accused of poor management in his handling of Grigg.
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I just wish MW would elaborate slightly more in his interviews instead of rolling out the same old answers, but I guess if he asked the SAME questions every week it's really not surprising....
Think he picked that trick up from Uwe but no references to how great Bristol City fans are yet so MW's doing alright by me
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Think he picked that trick up from Uwe but no references to how great Bristol City fans are yet so MW's doing alright by me
You still haven't forgiven him for outing Farid!
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Look mate I've seen the photos of the Bird's Farid's had on his arm....he definately isn't going to be outed
As you know I'm a huge Farid fan but we've all moved on, I just don't get everyone bigging Grigg up. He's had plenty of opportunity this year and Sheff Utd and Notts County apart has delivered very little return. Sure argue to give him a chance as the current starters are strguggling a bit but posters accusing MW of mismanagement etc lot of tosh IMHO.
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Look mate I've seen the photos of the Bird's Farid's had on his arm....he definately isn't going to be outed
As you know I'm a huge Farid fan but we've all moved on, I just don't get everyone bigging Grigg up. He's had plenty of opportunity this year and Sheff Utd and Notts County apart has delivered very little return. Sure argue to give him a chance as the current starters are strguggling a bit but posters accusing MW of mismanagement etc lot of tosh IMHO.
We usually agree on most things but I find your criticism of Grigg odd tbh. He's really had naff all chance to stake a claim for a starting spot for several months and I'm sorry but 15 minutes here and there stuck out on the left hand side is not what I consider to be an opportunity. If we'd stuck Farid out there when he came on, I'd be saying the exact same thing and I strongly suspect he'd have found it tough too.
I realise that Marcello's form up until recently has made it his spot to lose, and Grigg has turned in a couple of uninspiring cameos but he's also shown against Sheffield Utd and Notts County that he can be a polished performer when played in his favoured central role. With Trotta having been quiet for a couple of games, I want to see Grigg given a start down the centre and an opportunity to stake his claim. He's shown he can do it on a couple of occasions, and he's due a chance to show whether he can do it again.
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Hayes - player with proven goalscorering ability in our division, and with lots of experience at the divison above
Farid - top scorer in a similar division above plus someone who gave us an alternative
Grigg - a player who we were pretty much without excception delighted at getting due to his record in ur divison last season
Furthermore please tell me the name of this alternative striker we should have bought who is better than these three combined who would have agreed to play in League 1.
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While I can't argue with your main point and that Griggs lack of match time I think there comes a time where you have to trust the manager.He decides the best starting line up to win games and maybe if we hadn't paid so much for him he would gone by now or loaned out.Hayes and Farid both moved on and both found themselves on the subs bench for their new clubs and I see Akpom Was hooked by Coventry today.Maybe like Brandy Walsall is where his future is.
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You make the point yourself he's not going to have had an opportunity to stake a claim before now because of the form of others and for some reason management seem reticent to do that. He played in a central position yesterday when he came on did he not to little effect. My argument is and remains Grigg HAS had opportunities this season to stake a claim for a place and has not done so. We could argue all day over what constitutes a decent run or fair opportunity and if he should have made any impact when playing out on the left etc, etc but that comes down to personal opinion I think he's had ample opportunities over the season and you don't.
I'm not even sure I criticised Grigg overtly either... what I did criticise is this odd argument where certain posters seem to think that Grigg has been mishandled by the management and that somehow all along he has been the answer to any shortcomings we have had in front of goal. He hasn't been a first choice pick for either Uwe or Warbs now and that is quite simply because he has been a dissapointment to date and I'm afraid nothing you or anyone else says will alter that fact.
I would love for him to prove me and the doubters wrong and if given the chance I hope as much as you do that he can score the goals to take us to automatic promotion but I'm not going to buy people claiming that he's been poorly managed as was the case that a previous poster made.
Regarding your point about Farid I don't really know but I would have wagered he might have made more of an impact even played out of position on the left but that is purely my not very objective viewpoint and given events it was an opportinity that he never got.
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............................Question and answer in the same sentence IMHO........................MW has no confidence in Grigg, so he (MW) is looking elsewhere; Grigg gets few opportunities to play (and then mostly out of position), so loses confidence in himself, and is not helped by the fact that he knows MW is looking for striking options when he has that option but doesn't use it - who is to say that this 'new striker' will hit the ground running anyway?(he'll need to, otherwise the stick will be flying)........................................
........................maybe that new striker will be Luke Norris?...................................
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mhead bee
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So you are agreeing with me that our bench isn't conference standard then?
mhead bee
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Its Grigg not Griggs. Sorry to point it out but it is really annoying.
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Been here seven months now and I can't see it happening! :thetruth:
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I know I sound pretty insouciant but I have more or less discarded the Wolves result as the first goal as several have pointed out was going to shape the match. A draw at Carlisle, not a happy hunting ground for us, was good, as was keeping a clean sheet. Also we coped well with three key players missing. Their replacements coped well.
I was impressed by the decision to have both Calvert and Hutton on the bench. This demonstrates strategic thinking as clearly easing them into the set up. Given the demands of the end of season having a quality squad to chose from is excellent. We are bound to pick up more injuries and perhaps suspensions so need cover.
Scoring is not only about ability but confidence and luck. I feel Grigg will get several goals by the end of the season. Donaldson also will start hitting the net again as will Trotta. A few lucky breaks will energise us.
Another striker would obviously though strengthen our goal scoring threat.
As for teams defending in depth against us this is where Warburton does need to have a think. Two suggestions that will go down like a lead ballon. First we should not press so high up the pitch but make it easy for the opposition to move forward. This would open up space for us to counter attack into. This will be unpopular with us as we all like our forwards pressing hard. Second we have been mislead by three or four tremendous strikes from outside of the box. Overall the chance of scoring from outside the box is low. In the premier it is only 1 shot in 33. So restrict long shots. This again is not going to be popular.
Anyway something to think about and refute.
As usual time will tell. Bet you are pleased I am not the manager.
I was impressed by the decision to have both Calvert and Hutton on the bench. This demonstrates strategic thinking as clearly easing them into the set up. Given the demands of the end of season having a quality squad to chose from is excellent. We are bound to pick up more injuries and perhaps suspensions so need cover.
Scoring is not only about ability but confidence and luck. I feel Grigg will get several goals by the end of the season. Donaldson also will start hitting the net again as will Trotta. A few lucky breaks will energise us.
Another striker would obviously though strengthen our goal scoring threat.
As for teams defending in depth against us this is where Warburton does need to have a think. Two suggestions that will go down like a lead ballon. First we should not press so high up the pitch but make it easy for the opposition to move forward. This would open up space for us to counter attack into. This will be unpopular with us as we all like our forwards pressing hard. Second we have been mislead by three or four tremendous strikes from outside of the box. Overall the chance of scoring from outside the box is low. In the premier it is only 1 shot in 33. So restrict long shots. This again is not going to be popular.
Anyway something to think about and refute.
As usual time will tell. Bet you are pleased I am not the manager.
sonofabee
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All good points whether I agree or not.
What I do think is a problem while Clayton is off colour and without the natural width that Kadeem offered we seem to have no service into the box.
We need to get the balance up front that we had before we lost Kadeem as relying on Jake B as the source of crosses into the box isn't right.
For me we need to get Judge to vary his game and occasionally go past his man and get to the byline and cross for Trotta or Clayton rather than cut in and shoot or get someone on the right side to get to the line which hasn't been happening of late.
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So, with just one win in 4 games, how much longer are we prepared to give Warburton to turn this crisis club round?
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The squad is in good shape. It's a squad game.I just wish MW would elaborate slightly more in his interviews instead of rolling out the same old answers, but I guess if he asked the SAME questions every week it's really not surprising....
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I just wish MW would elaborate slightly more in his interviews instead of rolling out the same old answers, but I guess if he asked the SAME questions every week it's really not surprising....
You mean like our two previous managers!
Give the guy a break. He's new to this. Try thinking how you would like a microphone shoved in your face as you come out of work and being asked what went wrong today and how you intend to fix it.
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i assume the conference reference was used to 'over' emphasise the lack of game changers/quality on the bench saturday...........that might be a little ott.........but it does lack a cutting edge.......and its certainly not as strong as wolves........but then i guess not many other teams benches are.
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My worry with Conor seemingly coming back is that IMO he isn't what we need right now, we need a centre forward to compete or play with Trotta, forget Grigg, both management teams have told us what they think of him with so little minutes on the pitch. My head says that Conor is a replacement for Saunders or Judge, is he not, when we really need a good goal getting striker but who doesn't? Trotta was obviously on his weetabix and marmite for a while and became a CF with a bit strength for a good run of games, the weedy Trotta is back and not enough IMO to get us over the line, Clayton is playing terribly but excellent midfield play got us wins where he and Trotta weren't up to it. This is all IMO and I hope the chaps return to form but we need a striker breathing down their necks and it ain't Grigg or Griggs depending on what you want to call him.
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.....what for........to sit on the bench again.........or do you think he should start from the off..........do you think he is the solution to our goalscoring problem.......i dont.
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I think we are very much in danger of becoming our own worst enemies. We've let so many squad players go out on loan we're looking like Billy Big bollox who can afford to send out players like Toumani and Logan (who would walk into most teams in league 1) I dont think we can afford to do that and now Fillo whom we've publically said a loanee can go on loan is on the bench we look a bit stupid. I also hope we are not going to rely on someone like McAleny to "save" us either. We're not above players like Farid at the moment and I think we need to stop thinking we are before we throw it away.
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Maybe, maybe not, but any goals he may score will be benfitting Dundee Utd and not us. I for one would rather have our player with us right now.
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fair enough.......but he might be happy where he is.........he does have a say in it........imagine bringing him back against his will.......thats not gonna work.......anyway he's still not the answer,he wasnt before........we need a NEW striker,not an old one.
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Strange that people seem to think a player who is on the bench for Dundee Utd can have an impact at the top of L1. In his last interview he mentioned that Toumani was getting pitch time to enable him to return match fit. I believe Charlie Adams will also return in good match shape? Surely these guys have to be out playing as opposed to keeping our bench warm?
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I agree he's not the messiah but if he only scores 2-3 goals before the end of season, I'd rather they'd be for us. Every little helps
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I would agree if we didn't have a player like Fillo on the bench who is obviously unwanted. We've dropped the ball on the loan outs imho.
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Why, none of our loanees were first team choices.
Mac will be first choice rb other than him Nico
Toums was no where near getting picked
Farid is obviously not in his plans.
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Assuming that Sam Saunders is out for the time being we need 2 players.
Firstly an experienced striker to support and put pressure on Trotta and Donaldson and a pacy younger forward.
I would be happy with either McAlleney or Harris to return but would prefer CM as he has goals in him but the key loanee has to be the main striker.
BWP came in at about this time last season to try and get us over the line and IMO we need someone of similar experience but ideally someone who can hold the ball up and present a goal threat.
Heading ability would also not come amiss.
Where the hell do you find someone available who can do all this?
He won't be 19 years old or come cheap that's for sure but the prize we are competing for is invaluable and maybe the investment needs to be made if such a player can be found.
Firstly an experienced striker to support and put pressure on Trotta and Donaldson and a pacy younger forward.
I would be happy with either McAlleney or Harris to return but would prefer CM as he has goals in him but the key loanee has to be the main striker.
BWP came in at about this time last season to try and get us over the line and IMO we need someone of similar experience but ideally someone who can hold the ball up and present a goal threat.
Heading ability would also not come amiss.
Where the hell do you find someone available who can do all this?
He won't be 19 years old or come cheap that's for sure but the prize we are competing for is invaluable and maybe the investment needs to be made if such a player can be found.
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But with injuries and poor form we're benching a player who is a footballing leper. so I'd say we're running out of options somewhat.
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I pretty much agree although Conor may just give a spark to the others , anyway dont worry we have timed it all superbly. CD will now go on one of his runs where he gets loads and looks unplayable , Trotta will get inspired by that, our dip was 1 defeat not 3 like Orient and now are going on another run.
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"If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster, And treat those two impostors just the same"
If the 19 game run wasn't quite* a "Triumph", then a two game 'run' is not a "Disaster".
Let's just see if we can beat Bradford, before overly complicating things...
* - Though a very solid basis on which to build a triumphant season
If the 19 game run wasn't quite* a "Triumph", then a two game 'run' is not a "Disaster".
Let's just see if we can beat Bradford, before overly complicating things...
* - Though a very solid basis on which to build a triumphant season
nick logan
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Calvet and Hutton have been immense in training and dev games by all accounts and maybe Fillo has earned a crack by his efforts. He is a Czech international after all.
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I agree he's not the messiah but if he only scores 2-3 goals before the end of season, I'd rather they'd be for us. Every little helps
we dont need a messiah,we need a proven goalscorer to rattle in goals from inside the penalty area.............i'm sick of 30 yrd wonderstrikes creating a false dawn......we need a der bomber(look it up youngsters).
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I hope so, i'm not ITK but I would say he has been treated pretty poorly and surely has something to offer given his pedigree. I'm just saying we maybe aren't as strong as we think we are and need to not be overlooking potential under our noses before reaching out for another loanee.
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A player like Corr at Southend who is a threat at set pieces and a player like Kevin Phillips who has a proven goalscoring record and can hold the ball. Short term contract and a 5-7 goal return would be superb! Would love to see Harris back as anotherr option as we lack a bit of pace in areas.
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