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Mathias Jensen

James30 said:
Did you watch any games in which he played last season ? I don’t need to back it up he was poor until end of the season !
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I'm very boring saying this over and over again, but my suggestion to any doubter of any player who the coach seems to favour by serial selection is to re-play a game in which the player featured, and focus completely on that player. Forget the ball. You'll get to see loads of stuff you never noticed about the player, his attitude, his work rate, the way he interacts with other players, the positions he takes up when not with the ball, how many touches he takes, how aware he is of what is going on around him (is he looking up and around as the ball comes to him?), his defensive work, and so on. Do you have any games recorded? Are there any on Youtube?

OK, tell me to get a life. LOL
 

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Lionel Bart-At said:
I'm very boring saying this over and over again, but my suggestion to any doubter of any player who the coach seems to favour by serial selection is to re-play a game in which the player featured, and focus completely on that player. Forget the ball. You'll get to see loads of stuff you never noticed about the player, his attitude, his work rate, the way he interacts with other players, the positions he takes up when not with the ball, how many touches he takes, how aware he is of what is going on around him (is he looking up and around as the ball comes to him?), his defensive work, and so on. Do you have any games recorded? Are there any on Youtube?

OK, tell me to get a life. LOL
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Bees Analytica I think it was did a youtube doing just this for MJ in the home game v Leicester. It showed what he was there to do and that he largely did it well but did make a few errors. But if you focus like that on pretty much anyone you will see errors, misjudgements and dispossessions because everyone makes them. The club will be showing such videos to every player to help improve them and to reinforce praise for the good bits. Fans who’ve basically already made up their minds on a more impressionistic basis will if they watch this way go for confirmation bias by remembering the errors and suffer cognitive dissonance at the good bits.

Even if it is neither his game nor TF’s instruction I think MJ will be always considered poor by many unless and until he scores and assists regularly. But if he does it while the team is doing well it’ll be because of the rest of the team (look at the grudging acceptance that he played unquestionably well towards the end of last season but mainly credited to CE). If he does it while the team is losing it’ll be irrelevant because he’s been overall “ineffective”.

So, as long as people can at least zip it a bit in the ground, I think we just have to live with the fact that TF rates him much more highly than many fans. Even if treating him like McCammon and groaning at every touch may seem excessive and unfair to others.
 

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horshambees said:
Like I said back him,but in your case I seriously doubt it will happen.
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Like I said did you watch every game last s season like I did he was poor up
Until Eriksen come in ! I’m happy for him to prove me wrong though where all entitled to our opinions remember
 

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AB said:
Bees Analytica I think it was did a youtube doing just this for MJ in the home game v Leicester. It showed what he was there to do and that he largely did it well but did make a few errors. But if you focus like that on pretty much anyone you will see errors, misjudgements and dispossessions because everyone makes them. The club will be showing such videos to every player to help improve them and to reinforce praise for the good bits. Fans who’ve basically already made up their minds on a more impressionistic basis will if they watch this way go for confirmation bias by remembering the errors and suffer cognitive dissonance at the good bits.

Even if it is neither his game nor TF’s instruction I think MJ will be always considered poor by many unless and until he scores and assists regularly. But if he does it while the team is doing well it’ll be because of the rest of the team (look at the grudging acceptance that he played unquestionably well towards the end of last season but mainly credited to CE). If he does it while the team is losing it’ll be irrelevant because he’s been overall “ineffective”.

So, as long as people can at least zip it a bit in the ground, I think we just have to live with the fact that TF rates him much more highly than many fans. Even if treating him like McCammon and groaning at every touch may seem excessive and unfair to others.
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Very well put. Completely agree about confirmation bias. Don't really know why I piped up actually, as we just go round in circles, rehashing the same old stuff. Stupidly feel like I can't let folk get away with a free hit at the bloke over and over again. Someone has to provide balance to the debate etc.

Re goal-scoring - old ground re-visited yet again! - I think fans are right to be looking for a better conversion rate. He gets in good situations, but seems to have the yips when it comes to sinking the putt. As for assists, as I've said before, irrelevant statistic. He's often the one who provides the pass which opens up the play for the assister and scorer. And this is never recorded in the scorebook.
 

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Lionel Bart-At said:
Very well put. Completely agree about confirmation bias. Don't really know why I piped up actually, as we just go round in circles, rehashing the same old stuff. Stupidly feel like I can't let folk get away with a free hit at the bloke over and over again. Someone has to provide balance to the debate etc.

Re goal-scoring - old ground re-visited yet again! - I think fans are right to be looking for a better conversion rate. He gets in good situations, but seems to have the yips when it comes to sinking the putt. As for assists, as I've said before, irrelevant statistic. He's often the one who provides the pass which opens up the play for the assister and scorer. And this is never recorded in the scorebook.
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A little more composure and he’d score a few. But I think he’s been instructed most of his time at BFC to pass rather than shoot so it probably isn’t something he is coached or practiced to do. It’s not as if we saw a bunch of thunderbastards of the type he scored for Spurs off CE either- maybe it’s just not BFC’s game. CE probably would have scored at least one of MJ’s first half chances at home to MU but then again he didn’t come anywhere near doing so at OT so who knows?

The “packing” passes or assists to assists don’t give FPL points but are measured and noticed by the club.
 

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I’m not sure about the conversation above, but on Saturday for the goal Mathias showed huge skill and composure in his skip past a player, and perfect progression and holdup before a perfectly weighted release to Bryan. CE would not have done better than that.
 

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AB said:
The “packing” passes or assists to assists don’t give FPL points but are measured and noticed by the club.
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Most definitely.
AB said:
A little more composure and he’d score a few. But I think he’s been instructed most of his time at BFC to pass rather than shoot so it probably isn’t something he is coached or practiced to do. It’s not as if we saw a bunch of thunderbastards of the type he scored for Spurs off CE either- maybe it’s just not BFC’s game. CE probably would have scored at least one of MJ’s first half chances at home to MU but then again he didn’t come anywhere near doing so at OT so who knows?
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If he's in a scoring position he should expect himself to score, rather than hide behind the argument that he's not a goalscorer (I'm sure he doesn't say this, by the way ;-)). As a squad, the players should all be working on every aspect of their game, and goalscoring is definitely within the remit of a midfielder. If he can add goals he adds value to himself and, crucially, points to the league table. Could we arguably have finished higher up the table if our midfielders scored more of their chances? Could be the difference between relegation and survival, or mid table and Europe. Marginal gains (and other Dave Brailsford clichés)!
 

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James30 said:
Like I said did you watch every game last s season like I did he was poor up
Until Eriksen come in ! I’m happy for him to prove me wrong though where all entitled to our opinions remember
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I saw 32 of his 35 games for the Bees.
Hardly our worse player tbh.
 

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Can I make a suggestion:

Let’s not praise or condemn players based on last season, give them all a clean sheet and discuss their performances, good or otherwise based on how the play this season.
 

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The Pipe said:
Can I make a suggestion:

Let’s not praise or condemn players based on last season, give them all a clean sheet and discuss their performances, good or otherwise based on how the play this season.
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Do talk sense Mr P, you know many have already made their minds up no matter how he plays.
 

Mathias Jensen

The Pipe said:
Can I make a suggestion:

Let’s not praise or condemn players based on last season, give them all a clean sheet and discuss their performances, good or otherwise based on how the play this season.
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Good shout. It's not long to go.
 

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The Pipe said:
Can I make a suggestion:

Let’s not praise or condemn players based on last season, give them all a clean sheet and discuss their performances, good or otherwise based on how the play this season.
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Come on Pipe don't upset the GPG with a sensible post!
 

Mathias Jensen

The Pipe said:
Can I make a suggestion:

Let’s not praise or condemn players based on last season, give them all a clean sheet and discuss their performances, good or otherwise based on how the play this season.
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I have been trying.
I like Matthias and I back him all the way and I know he will give the ball away,I know he will miss a pass,I know he will slip,I know he will miss a challenge,I know he should shoot more,be more aggressive,but I also know he can turn a game,play the killer ball, make that interception,make that challenge, stay on his feet, turn an opponent around and hit a crisp volley goal bound and on target.
I know he can do it .I seriously want to see him do it and if he does all of the above in one game then he has been in the thick of it throughout the 90 minutes.
What more can you ask from a midfield player.

No pressure Matthias.
Go on son.
Show em.
 
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HerefordB said:
There are some on here that spout absolute crap about Jenson. Its just stupid.
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Jensen btw and if I carry on like this I will be forming a fan club or appreciation society for the Danish fella who is more than welcome to sit down and have a natter with me and the kids.
 

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With our style of play and default formation, against very organised defences, at least one but maybe both the players in the 8 position have to take risks. That's how you move defences around and open them up, risks and overloads. Unfortunately, risks don't always come off – a receiver doesn't make a move into space; the pass or movement is anticipated by a defender; and so on. Packing the midfield with workhorses is not creative, so it's all about how the entire attacking unit work together.

Jensen will make mistakes, most often a pass not making it to the intended receiver. In exactly the same way but a different style of player, Dasilva will make mistakes, most often when he drops his shoulder to go past a defender but loses the ball. So, it's about percentages – an attacking player who doesn't make a mistake doesn't make anything. But, of course, they need to recover quickly, for transitions...
 

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Ashford Bees said:
If the footballing gods are with us, Jensen will create and score more than Eriksen contributed in his time with us. Eriksen will keep Man U bench warm and lose his place in the Denmark World Cup first team to one Matteus Jensen.
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That is quite some fantasy.....
 

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Brentford Bob said:
If Matthias works on his shooting then he’d be right up there as far as Prem midfielders go. If you have a look at his stats, some of his passing is as good as Tielemans and his defensive figures are way better than both Tielemens and Eriksen.
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This is an excellent point, and one wonders what role the other players have in teaching/spreading their skills. In Ghoddos, Baptiste and Janelt we already have 3 fine exponents of the short low backlift thunderbolt. And then there is Wissa who showed at weekend that he has been polishing his shooting boots !
 

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Brentford Bob said:
If Matthias works on his shooting then he’d be right up there as far as Prem midfielders go. If you have a look at his stats, some of his passing is as good as Tielemans and his defensive figures are way better than both Tielemens and Eriksen.
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He is 26 and in 4 seasons since leaving Denmark has scored 3 goals. I’d like to think that he is working on his shooting all the time.
 

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To those who say there isn’t an element of our fanbase that has an irrational hatred of Jensen, take a look at #4286-4288.

Even after a friendly this thread does the most traffic, predominantly from people who claim to be BFC fans but just want to slag off one of our players.
 

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Untouchable said:
To those who say there isn’t an element of our fanbase that has an irrational hatred of Jensen, take a look at #4286-4288.

Even after a friendly this thread does the most traffic, predominantly from people who claim to be BFC fans but just want to slag off one of our players.
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Perfectly rational response.
The facts are:
- He can't score and is very wasteful in final third
- Can't tackle; often goes missing when the going gets tough.
- Often finds himself out of position, leaves gaps, loses his man.
- Can, however, on occasions, provide a superb pass.

On a poor day he's one of the worst midfielders in the country.
On a good day he's one of the better ones.
Unfortunately over the course of the last three seasons he's had more poor games than good.

Now please tell me which aspect of what I've said there is incorrect.

Just cos he's a Bees player doesn't mean he's immune to criticism where it is deserved.

Also, on a side note, isn't his contract running out? You don't find it of interest that there's so far been no talk of him being offered a new one? If he's that great, why aren't we trying to tie him down like we have done with decent players in past who enter their final year?
 
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Mathias Jensen

Oh for the vision of preconception...
 

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Three3D said:
Perfectly rational response.
The facts are:
- He can't score and is very wasteful in final third
- Can't tackle; often goes missing when the going gets tough.
- Often finds himself out of position, leaves gaps, loses his man.
- Can, however, on occasions, provide a superb pass.

On a poor day he's one of the worst midfielders in the country.
On a good day he's one of the better ones.
Unfortunately over the course of the last three seasons he's had more poor games than good.

Now please tell me which aspect of what I've said there is incorrect.

Just cos he's a Bees player doesn't mean he's immune to criticism where it is deserved.

Also, on a side note, isn't his contract running out? You don't find it of interest that there's so far been no talk of him being offered a new one? If he's that great, why aren't we trying to tie him down like we have done with decent players in past who enter their final year?
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I think you've confused facts and opinions up. Do you have some stats or video analysis to back up your assertion that he 'can't tackle' 'often gets caught out of position' or 'has had more poor games than good ones'.
 

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ChertseyBee said:
Couldn’t care less what anyone else says. He’s looked good in the minutes he’s played in the last two friendlies.
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He also looked good in his last few Prem games.
I'm basing what I'm saying on his overall contribution over the course of many games though.
Would you have offered Marcondes a new contract just based on the performances of his last couple of matches whilst ignoring previous?
Actually... don't answer that question..I know the answer.
 

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Three3D said:
Perfectly rational response.
The facts are:
- He can't score and is very wasteful in final third
- Can't tackle; often goes missing when the going gets tough.
- Often finds himself out of position, leaves gaps, loses his man.
- Can, however, on occasions, provide a superb pass.

On a poor day he's one of the worst midfielders in the country.
On a good day he's one of the better ones.
Unfortunately over the course of the last three seasons he's had more poor games than good.

Now please tell me which aspect of what I've said there is incorrect.

Just cos he's a Bees player doesn't mean he's immune to criticism where it is deserved.

Also, on a side note, isn't his contract running out? You don't find it of interest that there's so far been no talk of him being offered a new one? If he's that great, why aren't we trying to tie him down like we have done with decent players in past who enter their final year?
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On of the worst midfielders in the country......

Sorry mods but what a load of b***ocks.
 

Mathias Jensen

CTBee said:
I think you've confused facts and opinions up. Do you have some stats or video analysis to back up your assertion that he 'can't tackle' 'often gets caught out of position' or 'has had more poor games than good ones'.
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Go on whoscored.com and search for him there.

Whilst they don't give actual stats for tackling and being out of position (that is indeed based on my perception, although they do rank him as "weak" for aerial duels and tackling), what matters most, surely, are the stats on goals and assists.
For all games last season, Prem and Internationals, 45 played, 0 goals 3 assists.
His record in Prem, 0 goals, 1 assist.
For a "creative midfielder", you think those are good stats, yes?
 

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Three3D said:
Perfectly rational response.
The facts are:
- He can't score and is very wasteful in final third
- Can't tackle; often goes missing when the going gets tough.
- Often finds himself out of position, leaves gaps, loses his man.
- Can, however, on occasions, provide a superb pass.

On a poor day he's one of the worst midfielders in the country.
On a good day he's one of the better ones.
Unfortunately over the course of the last three seasons he's had more poor games than good.

Now please tell me which aspect of what I've said there is incorrect.

Just cos he's a Bees player doesn't mean he's immune to criticism where it is deserved.

Also, on a side note, isn't his contract running out? You don't find it of interest that there's so far been no talk of him being offered a new one? If he's that great, why aren't we trying to tie him down like we have done with decent players in past who enter their final year?
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Did he run over your cat ?
 
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