Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
This is so much more productive than circular discussions about Mathias Jensen. We've even diversified into mice, from hamsters. What's not to like?
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Voice from the Braemar
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Mathias Jensen
As I was watching him for 90mins especially for those on here, I’ll tell you what I think….I think his mum has phoned up TF and demanded that MJ takes all the throw ins as well as corners and free kicks and had demanded that he is the captain by Xmas..I think she won’t stop till he’s player/manager by end of season….tf needs to remind her that this is a premiership team and not the kids under 9s???
Voice from the Braemar
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Mathias Jensen
…oh and he played ok in a very poor midfield but it was no better than ok…a few decent passes is great but still doesn’t get forward enough with the ball and still lost it too easily…set pieces were average and nowhere near what we were getting with CE…which is where the major problem this season will now be…if anyone can’t see that then I give up ?
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
For all you Jensen haters out there, try and find something wrong with this pass please. I beg
Mathias Jensen
1 good pass in a game doesn’t make up for constantly going missing in games and shirking tackles - my opinion
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horshambees
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Mathias Jensen
MJ puts in plenty of tackles i think your getting your danes mixed up it was CE that didn't tackle.
jlove
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Mathias Jensen
He's frequently in the 'number of tackles' top 5 stat across the two teams in a match report, been top, too. But don't let stats spoil a good pre-conception.
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
I still don't get this complete misconception. I mean, do people watch the same game as us?
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Mathias Jensen
Well I can't see it - will you now keep your promise?
Mathias Jensen
Just my opinion mate I think he goes missing to much and doesn’t put his foot in and does to many floaty passes that don’t come off, but he does occasionally have a decent game.
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Mafeking Avenue........gets you there!!!!
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Mathias Jensen
Jensen is one of those players you won't appreciate until he's not there.
Yes, he's not as good a corner and free kick taker as Eriksen. But we were spoilt getting a truly world class playmaker in for half a season.
Yes, he's not as good a tackler nor as good at breaking up play as Norgaard. But if he were, he'd be worth 80m, as players of that standard are rare as hens teeth.
What he does do, and he does it very, very well, is play the transitions perfectly. He rarely makes that final pass, but he does get a lot of pre-assists. He rarely makes the final tackle, but he pressures mistakes and cuts out passing lanes extremely well.
On that note, there was a statistical analysis that showed VVD had some of the lowest numbers in the EPL, only worsened by Connor Coady. Yet both are excellent defenders. Because the numbers hide the influence of some players. In the same way, Jensen doesn't get great xG or xA, but he has a great pass completion, progressive passing, interceptions, and pressures.
He's a wonderful enabler in that midfield. When we were promoted, he enabled the thrusting runs of JDS. In the Prem, he enabled the creativity of Eriksen, before which he was struggling a little in a very workmanlike midfield.
Yes, he's not as good a corner and free kick taker as Eriksen. But we were spoilt getting a truly world class playmaker in for half a season.
Yes, he's not as good a tackler nor as good at breaking up play as Norgaard. But if he were, he'd be worth 80m, as players of that standard are rare as hens teeth.
What he does do, and he does it very, very well, is play the transitions perfectly. He rarely makes that final pass, but he does get a lot of pre-assists. He rarely makes the final tackle, but he pressures mistakes and cuts out passing lanes extremely well.
On that note, there was a statistical analysis that showed VVD had some of the lowest numbers in the EPL, only worsened by Connor Coady. Yet both are excellent defenders. Because the numbers hide the influence of some players. In the same way, Jensen doesn't get great xG or xA, but he has a great pass completion, progressive passing, interceptions, and pressures.
He's a wonderful enabler in that midfield. When we were promoted, he enabled the thrusting runs of JDS. In the Prem, he enabled the creativity of Eriksen, before which he was struggling a little in a very workmanlike midfield.
Ruislip_Rich
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Mathias Jensen
I've got an idea.
Why don't we all just pretend that he is a new player that we have signed for let's say 10 million.
Draw a line under whatever we like or dislike and judge him over the first 10 games of this season.
No preconceptions on either side. Only after the first 10 games.
Just an idea .
Why don't we all just pretend that he is a new player that we have signed for let's say 10 million.
Draw a line under whatever we like or dislike and judge him over the first 10 games of this season.
No preconceptions on either side. Only after the first 10 games.
Just an idea .
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
10 games is too long... 3 is enough to use our eyes and not use statistics as a substitute for good old fashioned observation.
Ruislip_Rich
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Mathias Jensen
I don't see why it's unrealistic mate. Surely all the people on here would love him to have a good season and help us push to the top half of the league.
Why would any Brentford support want him to fall just to prove a petty point?
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
Well you would think so. In reality though it’s a big ask for someone to shed bias or prejudice which tends to be very subconscious. Some of the people who rely on “good old observation” may still only see what they want to see. Would love to be proved wrong.
Chipshop Bee
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Mathias Jensen
It's unrealistic because, poor old Matty polarises opinion (quite extremely sometimes). So him playing some people will use words like 'immense' or 'best player' whilst others will say 'pants' or 'worst player'
Chipshop Bee
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Mathias Jensen
It is said that 'if you have an ice cream, you are statistically more likely to drown' and statistics will bear that out. I'm gonna have an icecream. Stats is devisive
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
Some of us are able to offer an unbiased, objective perspective, using the evidence of our own observations, as you suggest, to list perceived strengths AND areas for development. It’s never black and white.
Chipshop Bee
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Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
Did I mention statistics? I have previously pointed out precisely why statistics relating to this player are misleading.
What you are doing here, in my opinion, is demonstrating exactly the phenomenon to which I was referring in my previous post. You expected me to talk stats, so you assumed I did. You expect Jensen to play poorly so you only “observe” instances of his play which back up your theories. Am I wrong?
jlove
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Mathias Jensen
You know why Matthew Benham asks all his relevant employees, particularly the scouting teams, to read the relevant chapters of Daniel Kahneman's Thinking, Fast and Slow, those dealing with cognitive biases, particularly confirmation bias? Plus the overconfidence effect?
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
I’m sorry, this is statement is completely arse about face.
Chipshop Bee
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Mathias Jensen
Yes I was referring to my OWN distinction between stats and good old fashioned observation.
Ruislip_Rich
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Mathias Jensen
Hence why I said just keep it basic. He had a rubbish game or a good game. I know it's not going to happen.
Just judge the bloke on what does this season.
Unfortunately for the ones that don't rate him, he will play most of the games for us this year. Support not groan. Maybe we might even stay up. COYR
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
So why were you quoting, and taking issue with, my post, in which there was not one single mention of statistics. No offence, but I think you may be losing the plot here. Go pick on a statto.
Chipshop Bee
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Mathias Jensen
Blimey
. So..post 4431 I used the phrase' good old fashioned observation ' as a distinction from 'statistics '
In 4433 you parenthesised good old fashioned observation and said stuff. And I said stuff back. And I don't need to GO pick on a stato, there are plenty here
Chipshop Bee
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Ruislip_Rich
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Mathias Jensen
No 10 games mate.
Imagine you was going into work and you heard everything though you was rubbish at your job. Do you think it would not Dent your confidence?
We all want the same thing. All I'm saying is support our players that are selected. Doesn't mean we can't have an option but Matt seems to get in worse. Maybe it's because he tries to make things happen and the pass doesn't always work. I'm sure that most of the against on here is because he doesn't smash into tackles. He isn't that sort of player. Anyway I've said enough.
Support our team. It's going to be a hard season x
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Voice from the Braemar
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Voice from the Braemar
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Mathias Jensen
Can we make it 3 games instead ? 10 games and we could be bottom of the league ??
Lionel Bart-At
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Mathias Jensen
With respect RR nobody in their right mind smashes into tackles any more. Recipe for cards and dangerous free kicks. MJ is as brave as anyone in the tackle but sensible enough to know when and where to make a challenge. Maybe this is where the misconception originates?