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Mathias Jensen
I think he is the here and now and he tries his best but he's not the future,until that day arrives i'll support him 100%
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Truly disappointing that any Brentford fans can watch that first half and come away thinking he was deserving of criticism ahead of anyone else. Easily one of our best players in the time he was on. Some classy passes, made as many tackles as Nørgaard, and good closing down. Seems like he needs to singlehandedly win us the game to get any recognition for playing well
I've already said my piece about the corners hitting the first man, but holy sh*t you folks still complaining about this need to just watch back every set-piece. Have a think why you complain about Jensen hitting the first man, but don't care about a loopy corner into the keepers arms by anyone else. Perhaps it will alert you to your pre-existing bias.
Jensen isn't Eriksen level, no one is saying he is, but he's so much better than some people here will give him any credit for. "We played better when we threw caution to the wind and took him off (and half our defenders), therefore Jensen is the reason we were playing bad" is such a mind-numbingly ridiculous argument that it doesn't even deserve a response.
I've already said my piece about the corners hitting the first man, but holy sh*t you folks still complaining about this need to just watch back every set-piece. Have a think why you complain about Jensen hitting the first man, but don't care about a loopy corner into the keepers arms by anyone else. Perhaps it will alert you to your pre-existing bias.
Jensen isn't Eriksen level, no one is saying he is, but he's so much better than some people here will give him any credit for. "We played better when we threw caution to the wind and took him off (and half our defenders), therefore Jensen is the reason we were playing bad" is such a mind-numbingly ridiculous argument that it doesn't even deserve a response.
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Foolishly came here expecting there'd be one or two messages begrudingly saying "fair play, played alright today". But oh well, maybe next week will be the one where we all support all of our players.
Mathias Jensen
Sorry but who are you to determine who should or shouldn’t be a Brentford fan ? I think it was funny as soon as he went off we played so much better he is the weak link in midfield.
Mathias Jensen
Well let’s stick to facts then. We didn’t concede a goal after Ben Mee came off nor did we score when he was on. Let’s drop him. I’m not sure why this thread is so lively you could of picked any player out in that first half.
Made some good passes first half and was closing players down better than any of them. The amount of times Leicester had to go back with the ball because of the pressing from Jensen. It was a different game when Jensen was subbed, Leicester had gone to a back 5 and there was much more room. It’s not as simple as we drew because Jensen came off.
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We ditched the 352 which really hadn't been working and went for 343, playing much higher up the pitch. This gave the Leicester defence something else to think about with KLP and in particular Ivan Toney playing higher up meaning the ball wasn't continually coming back at us. We moved the ineffective Janelt into a back 3.
Imo, those were the more pertinent changes and had we done the same thing but kept Mee on and swapped Josh for Janelt instead, we would definitely have improved. Although Thomas is rightly being called out for his changes in the second half, his first half change moving us from a 433 to a 352 was pretty ordinary imo.
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It's fairly simple.
If you boo your own team or your own players during a game, you should think hard as to why you are there...
Have some faith in the squad and the management ?
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Did I say I booed when he come off I laughed at a comment …when he come off I didn’t even hear any boos from my section ?
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We scored not long after Norgaard came off too. The most lightweight challenge / biggest bottle of the day also came from CN. Yet his thread is empty and usual suspects with their usual nonsense on this one
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I never said you booed.
If you look at this thread since the game, we've had a few posts of cautious support for his first half performance and a few posts confirming he is the worst player in the team, detrimental to our points total and should be hounded out.
Which do you think is more reasonable?
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Reading some of the posts above, I sense the need to call together an impromptu gathering of the cult. The elimination of some “fans” may come up for discussion.
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I don't quite know what the doubters expected more from him yesterday? It was obvious he was instructed to sit deep to collect the ball from our two CBs who both don't have the ability to carry it out and pass from the back. Without him there it would have been long ball from the back. Our front line barely moved first half giving him no outlet. The pass he made for Rico early on was sublime and was unlucky then not to result in a goal.
Frank switched this up second half, but he changed the whole system as it was wasn't working and players weren't doing their jobs, nothing against Jensen.
Frank switched this up second half, but he changed the whole system as it was wasn't working and players weren't doing their jobs, nothing against Jensen.
I'll Bee Damned
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Didn't want to be negative in the game report thread as it was a brilliant result but our corners need sorting out.
Why Jensen is man-marking the eventual goal scorer but decided/was told (can't see any evidence for this in the clip, no pointing etc) to mark a guy arriving late is a puzzle. He then loses them both. Perhaps he isn't the right choice to mark that near post runner
MOTD2 38 mins 50 secs in
Why Jensen is man-marking the eventual goal scorer but decided/was told (can't see any evidence for this in the clip, no pointing etc) to mark a guy arriving late is a puzzle. He then loses them both. Perhaps he isn't the right choice to mark that near post runner
MOTD2 38 mins 50 secs in
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Wissa having a man run past him and taking no action didn't help - completely overloaded MJ who as you can see in the first shot is already the nearest man to 3 players. Not sure therefore about Henry and Hickey positioning - they seem too far over to me and from that position, the attackers are always going to get a run on them I would've thought.
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I think Wissa' job is to cover the guy on the edge. Perhaps we have one too many zonally marking leaving the overload that one player, anyone, not just Jensen, would struggle with. MJ does need to mark better though as completely lost the number 3 who would've won the header if 27 hadn't.
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I saw this as well but that's a team responsibility. Someone normally a defender or the captain needs to be spotting Fofana coming in and organising who picks up the extra man. whoever Jensen picked up one of them would have been free.
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I'm surprised that we don't have Janelt as one of the players tracking run, given he's our most aggressive midfielder.
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This thread is madness 
Thought he was perfectly fine yesterday - not perfect by any means but who is. We don't need to over-analyse every flaw!
Think he's improved and still improving, and is definitely a useful member of our squad. And worthy of a starting role! It's a great opportunity for him, and he may well move back to a more rotational role if Dasilva, Damsgaard or others are available, but he may well stake a claim to being a regular.
Thought he was perfectly fine yesterday - not perfect by any means but who is. We don't need to over-analyse every flaw!
Think he's improved and still improving, and is definitely a useful member of our squad. And worthy of a starting role! It's a great opportunity for him, and he may well move back to a more rotational role if Dasilva, Damsgaard or others are available, but he may well stake a claim to being a regular.
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Everyone is zonal marking, with 3 (4 incl. Wissa) who are meant to block runners going from "their zone" into someone else's.
Everyone lost their man. Toney could've attacked the ball better. Wissa could've picked someone up and hasn't moved in your screenshots.
Very easy to play a blame game. Very boring to see it lazily directed at the same player at every opportunity
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Good post Tree and pretty much how I saw it. In fact, if I’m being honest I thought he didn’t perform as well as he had done in some pre-season games but the improvement is still showing.This thread is madness
Thought he was perfectly fine yesterday - not perfect by any means but who is. We don't need to over-analyse every flaw!
Think he's improved and still improving, and is definitely a useful member of our squad. And worthy of a starting role! It's a great opportunity for him, and he may well move back to a more rotational role if Dasilva, Damsgaard or others are available, but he may well stake a claim to being a regular.
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The trouble is some on here will think you’re being serious ??? some from the cult obviously ???
I'll Bee Damned
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Where would you like me to put my original observation? (please resist the urge to supply the tempting response
) I was looking to see what is going wrong at set pieces, not lazily looking to find something to pin on MJ. Say what you like about the team's effort in general at set pieces but, on this occasion, when a goal was scored, MJ was had a large part to play.
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It happens. Trent AA got it completely wrong defending a corner against Mitrovic.Where would you like me to put my original observation? (please resist the urge to supply the tempting response
I was looking to see what is going wrong at set pieces, not lazily looking to find something to pin on MJ. Say what you like about the team's effort in general at set pieces but, on this occasion, when a goal was scored, MJ was had a large part to play.
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In the match report thread? ?Where would you like me to put my original observation? (please resist the urge to supply the tempting response
I was looking to see what is going wrong at set pieces, not lazily looking to find something to pin on MJ. Say what you like about the team's effort in general at set pieces but, on this occasion, when a goal was scored, MJ was had a large part to play.
Not sure he did have a large part to play when you look into the reasons. He had 2 men to mark due to someone else not bothering, and another person didn't win a header in their own zone.
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Please see opening line in my original post
MJ left 27 who he was marking originally (who scored) to lose the man (3) who was then free behind him. I also said in my original post that perhaps he isn't the ideal person in that role which is kind of in his defence.
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That laughing emoji is the most passive aggressive of all the smilies in the wrong hands. But used correctly is wonderful.
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The continued hostility and bile directed towards Jensen by some posters on here is pathetic and disgraceful. Its tantamount to harassment. I don't remember any Brentford player ever being subjected to this level of hate. Even those that have supported him on here have received constant vitriolic abuse.
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Their reception on here would only be comparable had McEachran achieved the England call up he aimed for and played nearly 20 games for England while playing 90% of our games as we got two third places in the Championship, a play off win and a comfortably safe first season in the PL. Whereas in fact he did vanishingly few good things playing less than half our games over 4 years of midtable finishes.
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Definitely beats MJ !!! You could thrown in Macleod too ???
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That’s a bit OTT if people think he’s poor there gonna say it just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean it’s ‘wrong’ does it ?
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Its a bit obsessive though. Any poor half or game is put solely at his door.
I heard many players were having a stinker yesterday but aren't getting half of what he is.
As for him coming off turning the game..........................What a load of crap.
Both goals we let in weren't his fault.
He's a squad payer, nothing more. But to be be debating this after one game is pure madness when there were plenty of players who could have been subbed.
How about this one.......................... MJ was actually playing well but a shift in formation was needed and there are others who fit into the change of formation so he needed to come off. Not because he was playing poorly.
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...and winner of the most hyperbolic post of the year award goes to...
Come on mate, either you forgot the fishing rod, or I suggest you log all of the posts that show examples of all the words highlighted and report them to the police for hate crimes, if you genuinely think that.
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Way too sensible a post!!!Its a bit obsessive though. Any poor half or game is put solely at his door.
I heard many players were having a stinker yesterday but aren't getting half of what he is.
As for him coming off turning the game..........................What a load of crap.
Both goals we let in weren't his fault.
He's a squad payer, nothing more. But to be be debating this after one game is pure madness when there were plenty of players who could have been subbed.
How about this one.......................... MJ was actually playing well but a shift in formation was needed and there are others who fit into the change of formation so he needed to come off. Not because he was playing poorly.
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You will never persuade the likes of Voice, he is a lost cause. He asks why did TF sub him then, but doesn't ask 'Why did he pick him as a starter'. The answer is the coach, who I think we are all agreed is a genius, knows how good MJ is and therefore picks him. Don't worry about Voice and his fellow doubters, enjoy the vitriol and inaccuracies and watch MJ play the superb passes that he did on at least 2 or 3 occasions yesterday which just proves them wrong. You can lead a horse to water etc. For my part MJ is an important squad player, sometimes starting, sometimes a sub, but always contributing and a skilled player we should be pleased and proud to have.
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And if a few came on here for every player to pick over each performance it would be more equitable but a much sadder place. IMHO, there were a number of poor performances yesterday, many players who did a few noticeably good things in their general anonymity, but I'm not going to come on here and post a diatribe about each one; I can't be that bitter. It's just plain weird and I really can't imagine what goes on in some people's heads – broken Britain.
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Okay. If you don't want it in the match report thread (for some reason) you could've picked the thread of the player who didn't win a header, the player who didn't mark anyone (or move), either of the older leaders we had playing CB for "organising" the defence and leaving MJ marking 2 players, maybe even TFs or BR thread if your question was about the team's set up.
Edit: ah, the reason you didn't want it in the match thread is because you didn't want to be negative on the match thread. So instead brought it to... Jensen's thread
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IMO jensen was one of our strongest performers in a poor first half yesterday. The midfield felt wrong with him VJ and CN as we had no good way to move between midfield and our strikers. When that midfield was changed second half we took control of the game. i don't think any blame can fall solely on Jensen. games( and corners) are won and lost as a team, as a collective the first half was not good enough. Jensen played his role which i believe is a deeper lying midfielder who spreads play and stretches teams. he shouldn't be expected to offer penetration in the final third with how he plays, more stability and control which for the first 15-20 mins yesterday he did very well, leicester adapted and overran us, which is on the whole team imo. MJ in my mind had a good performance in a poor first half.
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If MJ is the answer in midfield, why would we spend a fortune on MD, because he is an upgrade.
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Yes maybe so, but that does not make MJ a bad player. If we bid a fortune on Harry Kane, that does not make IT a bad forward. MJ, as with any player, is part of the answer in midfield. He will have off days and injuries and sometimes the way we play won't suit him, other times this will all be right for MJ.