Mathias Jensen

Mathias Jensen

6 seasons and 200 plus games, Jensen owes us very little.
He’s part of the success story.
This season like Season 1 in the Premier League, he appears just on the fringes, it happens.
Frank likes him and trusts him.
With a squad getting stronger there’s a place for Jensen but not in the starting XI on recent showings.
Whether he stays or go, his service to the club like so many of the class of 19/20 is in our history books for all the right reasons.
 

Mathias Jensen

I have noticed over the years that he needs.more minutes than most to get to his top level of high risk accuracy in passing and crossing. There will be games next season where he will start and also play alongside MD in midfield. He may not get as much game time as previous seasons, but essential none the less.
 

Mathias Jensen

We have been buying stronger and more physical players. Jensen sticks out more and more, particularly given the time he takes to get match fit

the flip is that he’s still our most aesthetically creative player.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
I have my doubts he'll be around next season so plenty of wishes might be granted.
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I'm feeling the same vibe. Just don't think a midfield of Norgaard, Damsgaard and Jensen has all the attributes you need in the Prem, even for a portion of a game. Don't see him getting more than cameos next season unless Mikkel gets injured. I think his style would really suit some European leagues more, with extra time on the ball. From his point of view, he deserves to start most games and that won't be here. Same goes for Janelt.
We need gamechanging midfielders from the bench who will run at defenders and can finish. There aren't enough goals in our midfield if we want to keep adding layers and moving up the league.
 

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cliffbee said:
I'm feeling the same vibe. Just don't think a midfield of Norgaard, Damsgaard and Jensen has all the attributes you need in the Prem, even for a portion of a game. Don't see him getting more than cameos next season unless Mikkel gets injured. I think his style would really suit some European leagues more, with extra time on the ball. From his point of view, he deserves to start most games and that won't be here. Same goes for Janelt.
We need gamechanging midfielders from the bench who will run at defenders and can finish. There aren't enough goals in our midfield if we want to keep adding layers and moving up the league.
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We have good depth in the midfield positions & Jensen is part of that. Offers something different from other players & his ability to sit deeper but create with a variety & range of excellent passes is not to be underestimated.
Didn't work out for him today & second half of the season has been a trial for him in finding form & fitness.
We are however building a resilient & versatile midfield unit & players such as him & Vitaly are absolutely integral to that depth. Add the likes of Konak & Maghoma to the mix & we have a formidable number of options going forward.
 

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Balders Bee said:
We have good depth in the midfield positions & Jensen is part of that. Offers something different from other players & his ability to sit deeper but create with a variety & range of excellent passes is not to be underestimated.
Didn't work out for him today & second half of the season has been a trial for him in finding form & fitness.
We are however building a resilient & versatile midfield unit & players such as him & Vitaly are absolutely integral to that depth. Add the likes of Konak & Maghoma to the mix & we have a formidable number of options going forward.
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I agreed with all that … until the last sentence. Konak definitely yes, he’s some prospect. But Maghoma - no. He’ll be gone this summer. Add Carvalho though.
 

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ChertseyBee said:
I agreed with all that … until the last sentence. Konak definitely yes, he’s some prospect. But Maghoma - no. He’ll be gone this summer. Add Carvalho though.
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Yes I missed Carvalho from my list apologies to his dad ?.
As for Maghoma maybe you're right, time will tell, however the lad has got ability.
 

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Balders Bee said:
We have good depth in the midfield positions & Jensen is part of that. Offers something different from other players & his ability to sit deeper but create with a variety & range of excellent passes is not to be underestimated.
Didn't work out for him today & second half of the season has been a trial for him in finding form & fitness.
We are however building a resilient & versatile midfield unit & players such as him & Vitaly are absolutely integral to that depth. Add the likes of Konak & Maghoma to the mix & we have a formidable number of options going forward.
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You're assuming players like Janelt and Jensen, who have been regular starters for years, will be happy to accept being lesser squad players. I don't think that will prove to be the case.
 

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CTBee said:
You've written him off before and he's proved you wrong before. I feel like I'm stuck in a time loop
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I sort-of think the Club coaching staff have a much higher level of perception and patience than many fans, especially as it’s no longer a game of 11 players in a rigid formation.
 

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jlove said:
I sort-of think the Club coaching staff have a much higher level of perception and patience than many fans, especially as it’s no longer a game of 11 players in a rigid formation.
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I get that, but let’s face it, he’s only getting on the pitch yesterday because Vitaly is finished for this season. For whatever reason, he’s further down the pecking order and I can only see it getting worse for him with the emergence of Konak. Add in Fabio, possibly JDS, and that’s before any additions this summer.
Others have said it’s taking longer for him to get up to speed, and occasional cameos here and there won’t help him do that, or the club in that particular game.
He may decide that moving on is best for him at this stage in his career.
 

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JANORAK said:
I get that, but let’s face it, he’s only getting on the pitch yesterday because Vitaly is finished for this season. For whatever reason, he’s further down the pecking order and I can only see it getting worse for him with the emergence of Konak. Add in Fabio, possibly JDS, and that’s before any additions this summer.
Others have said it’s taking longer for him to get up to speed, and occasional cameos here and there won’t help him do that, or the club in that particular game.
He may decide that moving on is best for him at this stage in his career.
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It wouldn't surprise me to learn that those conversations have happened already (no inside info before anyone asks).
 

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SlumanBee said:
What does this mean?
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When he’s ‘on it’ he’s still a gloriously talented midfielder. His best spell was with prime Ivan, but always underrated as he was with a) Us, and b) Denmark. If anything, we overworked him - free kicks, corners, throw ins…
Unfortunately, we (and the PL) have moved on.
 

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Frothybaby said:
I have noticed over the years that he needs.more minutes than most to get to his top level of high risk accuracy in passing and crossing. There will be games next season where he will start and also play alongside MD in midfield. He may not get as much game time as previous seasons, but essential none the less.
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Agree - especially as I hope we'll see a bit more rotation next season. Picking the same 11 most weeks has taken its toll on some players who looked shattered yesterday
 

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JANORAK said:
I get that, but let’s face it, he’s only getting on the pitch yesterday because Vitaly is finished for this season. For whatever reason, he’s further down the pecking order and I can only see it getting worse for him with the emergence of Konak. Add in Fabio, possibly JDS, and that’s before any additions this summer.
Others have said it’s taking longer for him to get up to speed, and occasional cameos here and there won’t help him do that, or the club in that particular game.
He may decide that moving on is best for him at this stage in his career.
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But he’s not comparable to Vitaly (or Konak) and Fabio is closer to Damsgaard. My point was that, with the increasing ability to play with flexible formations and use different skill sets within those formations, there’s going to be opportunities – maybe few and far between – to use Jensen’s specific attributes. Yesterday, Cairney came on for Fulham, sat centrally and sprayed passes out to either side, for example.

It may be that a decision has been made as he’s approaching the last year of his contract, he’s not getting game time and his agent may’ve been active in the market, especially as he’s got a young family and they may want to engage in the Danish education system.
 

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His cameo yesterday and recently reminds me of Jensen of old - where all our frustrations with his undeniable talent are the speed he wants to play. He often would take a second too long deciding what to do, and by that time the oppo has nicked the ball away. That's what we're seeing now.

We all know how good he can be - he has a footballing brain only bettered by Dams in my opinion. But the difference is that Dams finds his pass QUICKLY. He already knows about the beautiful reverse pass he's going to play before he receives it. Jensen would pick that pass too, but at the moment he'll take crucially too long to decide to make it.

Against an opponent who might back off and give him time, he's fine. But not against a high press, intense running opposition - which most of the 'middle prem' are now becoming (fulham, bournemouth, palace, brighton, forest etc) not to mention the historically 'bigger' teams who wouldn't back off against us anyway.

I think he's the kind of player that needs to find that rhythm with a run of games. Like during his purple patch feeding Ivan, he was outstanding. But he seems to lose that awareness of the speed of the game if he has an extended time out of the side, or when he's just playing cameo.

But as others have said, with the rest of the talent existing or emerging in the midfield - his starting berth isn't there, and won't be. And therefore from now on he's always going to be an option off the bench - and that just doesn't suit him.
 

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Mick.C said:
6 seasons and 200 plus games, Jensen owes us very little.
He’s part of the success story.
This season like Season 1 in the Premier League, he appears just on the fringes, it happens.
Frank likes him and trusts him.
With a squad getting stronger there’s a place for Jensen but not in the starting XI on recent showings.
Whether he stays or go, his service to the club like so many of the class of 19/20 is in our history books for all the right reasons.
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There is quite literally no place for him now. He is just very off the pace where we need to be and if we want to improve the squad and do better then he has got to accept not being 1st choice anymore and he has massively slipped down the pecking order.
 

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gbfc1889 said:
There is quite literally no place for him now. He is just very off the pace where we need to be and if we want to improve the squad and do better then he has got to accept not being 1st choice anymore and he has massively slipped down the pecking order.
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I have no idea what you’re on about mate? I don’t know why he’s even been dropped over Damsgaard. On his best day he’s easily our greatest player, I’ve never seen a player for us with such quality
 

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gbfc1889 said:
There is quite literally no place for him now. He is just very off the pace where we need to be and if we want to improve the squad and do better then he has got to accept not being 1st choice anymore and he has massively slipped down the pecking order.
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What other player do we have that can sit deep and create chances with their passing?

There is a place for him in the squad but maybe not the starting XI if everyone is fit.
 

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I see it pretty simply in that due to various injuries and illnesses Jensen has very rarely been fully match fit/sharp this season.

However, in the previous two seasons combined he played 69 games with eight goals and nine assists. For a deep lying midfield player (he is not a number 10), those are pretty good stats. One injury hit season and people are writing him off, feels a bit premature to me.
 

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TOXIC BEE said:
I really hope I’ve read this wrong. Are you genuinely saying you’d rather we benched Damsgaard than Jensen? I don’t want to slag off Jensen here but that’s absolutely ridiculous if that is what you’re saying. We’d be about 10 points worse off if Jensen was starting over Damsgaard every week.
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I think it's supposed to be sarcasm
 

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claphambee said:
His cameo yesterday and recently reminds me of Jensen of old - where all our frustrations with his undeniable talent are the speed he wants to play. He often would take a second too long deciding what to do, and by that time the oppo has nicked the ball away. That's what we're seeing now.

We all know how good he can be - he has a footballing brain only bettered by Dams in my opinion. But the difference is that Dams finds his pass QUICKLY. He already knows about the beautiful reverse pass he's going to play before he receives it. Jensen would pick that pass too, but at the moment he'll take crucially too long to decide to make it.

Against an opponent who might back off and give him time, he's fine. But not against a high press, intense running opposition - which most of the 'middle prem' are now becoming (fulham, bournemouth, palace, brighton, forest etc) not to mention the historically 'bigger' teams who wouldn't back off against us anyway.

I think he's the kind of player that needs to find that rhythm with a run of games. Like during his purple patch feeding Ivan, he was outstanding. But he seems to lose that awareness of the speed of the game if he has an extended time out of the side, or when he's just playing cameo.

But as others have said, with the rest of the talent existing or emerging in the midfield - his starting berth isn't there, and won't be. And therefore from now on he's always going to be an option off the bench - and that just doesn't suit him.
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This is a bang on assessment.
It’s a pity Europe is off as Jensen would thrive at a slower pace against weaker teams.

The most upsetting part of yesterday’s game was seeing Jensen and Rico come on and make small mistakes our starting eleven rarely make. They’ll both be club legends, along with Janet, but going into next season, we need plan for another big injury crisis.

If Rico, Jensen and Janelt start more than 20 league games next year due to the injuries to the normal starters, I worry we’ll be hovering above the drop zone like seasons one and three in the Premier League.
 

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chrisbyrne8383 said:
This is a bang on assessment.
It’s a pity Europe is off as Jensen would thrive at a slower pace against weaker teams.

The most upsetting part of yesterday’s game was seeing Jensen and Rico come on and make small mistakes our starting eleven rarely make. They’ll both be club legends, along with Janet, but going into next season, we need plan for another big injury crisis.

If Rico, Jensen and Janelt start more than 20 league games next year due to the injuries to the normal starters, I worry we’ll be hovering above the drop zone like seasons one and three in the Premier League.
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Agree with almost all of this, but I don't think we can lump Rico in with that assessment. He's recently back from a year long injury - before which he was the best LB in the league, on the cusp of an England call up. Need to wait until he's up to speed/pre-season in order to see whether he can get back to that level. For what it's worth I think he can, and will cause us a nice problem with KLP.
 

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For every cameo like yesterday where he struggled you also get his one against Man utd where his class shines through, that's always been his style where at times he can frustrate but also be a genius at times.

He has looked sluggish these last two games and really struggled with the pace of the game, compare his energy and athleticism to that of Yarmoliuk and they are worlds apart.

We will need a bigger squad next season and hopefully he can get a full pre-season in and get fit but after six seasons it does feel his impact is waning and his game time is starting to be limited. Part of that crop of signings from the summer of 2019 that took us to another level and he's been a huge part of that journey, so let's not write him off so quickly.
 

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CTBee said:
What other player do we have that can sit deep and create chances with their passing?

There is a place for him in the squad but maybe not the starting XI if everyone is fit.
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Yesterday and the last 3/4 games he has been dreadful. Been pushed out the side and its curtains for him now.
 

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gbfc1889 said:
Yesterday and the last 3/4 games he has been dreadful. Been pushed out the side and its curtains for him now.
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OK… but don’t hold back, tell us what you really think!
 

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chrisbyrne8383 said:
This is a bang on assessment.
It’s a pity Europe is off as Jensen would thrive at a slower pace against weaker teams.

The most upsetting part of yesterday’s game was seeing Jensen and Rico come on and make small mistakes our starting eleven rarely make. They’ll both be club legends, along with Janet, but going into next season, we need plan for another big injury crisis.

If Rico, Jensen and Janelt start more than 20 league games next year due to the injuries to the normal starters, I worry we’ll be hovering above the drop zone like seasons one and three in the Premier League.
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I'm going to defend Rico here - KLP has been great this season but was completely owned by Traore so it seems a bit unfair to pick out any Rico mistakes. Rico has played against the very best wingers in this league and no one has ever got the better of him.
 

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CTBee said:
200 games of quality for us, 3 games where he doesn't hit his top level (he's not been dreadful) and it's curtains for him.

OK mate.
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Spot on.

He came on yesterday with 20 mins to go in a game we were chasing and he missed placed 3 passes and some say he is finished.

Unbelievable!
 

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Isleworth_Bee said:
Some painfully short memories on here. He's had a torrid season injury wise.

Plus being played on the wing doesn't help.

Sigh.
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I've always thought he's quality but I just have a feeling that a mutual parting of the ways is coming. He can go to pretty much any country in Europe and be a midfield starter for a decent club. Being Dams (or everyone's) deputy with us is not going to help his Denmark career. I doubt we'd ask for a massive fee so he could get a nice signing on fee somewhere and 29 seems the right time to do it - each year after this is going to be more difficult. We're also going to have to prioritise Fabio's development at some point soon.
 
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Les Beeavinu said:
I've always thought he's quality but I just have a feeling that a mutual parting of the ways is coming. He can go to pretty much any country in Europe and be a midfield starter for a decent club. Being Dams (or everyone's) deputy with us is not going to help his Denmark career. I doubt we'd ask for a massive fee so he could get a nice signing on fee somewhere and 29 seems the right time to do it, each year after this is going to be more difficult. We're also going to have to prioritise Fabio's development at some point soon.
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Spot on
 

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claphambee said:
His cameo yesterday and recently reminds me of Jensen of old - where all our frustrations with his undeniable talent are the speed he wants to play. He often would take a second too long deciding what to do, and by that time the oppo has nicked the ball away. That's what we're seeing now.

We all know how good he can be - he has a footballing brain only bettered by Dams in my opinion. But the difference is that Dams finds his pass QUICKLY. He already knows about the beautiful reverse pass he's going to play before he receives it. Jensen would pick that pass too, but at the moment he'll take crucially too long to decide to make it.

Against an opponent who might back off and give him time, he's fine. But not against a high press, intense running opposition - which most of the 'middle prem' are now becoming (fulham, bournemouth, palace, brighton, forest etc) not to mention the historically 'bigger' teams who wouldn't back off against us anyway.

I think he's the kind of player that needs to find that rhythm with a run of games. Like during his purple patch feeding Ivan, he was outstanding. But he seems to lose that awareness of the speed of the game if he has an extended time out of the side, or when he's just playing cameo.

But as others have said, with the rest of the talent existing or emerging in the midfield - his starting berth isn't there, and won't be. And therefore from now on he's always going to be an option off the bench - and that just doesn't suit him.
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Pretty much how I see it. He may need injuries in the rest of the midfield before he gets a chance of a run in the team. In the meantime, it's catch 22 for Matty.
 

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Les Beeavinu said:
I've always thought he's quality but I just have a feeling that a mutual parting of the ways is coming. He can go to pretty much any country in Europe and be a midfield starter for a decent club. Being Dams deputy with us is not going to help his Denmark career. I doubt we'd ask for a massive fee so he could get a nice signing on fee somewhere. 29 seems the right time to do it, each year after this is going to be more difficult. We're also going to have to prioritise Fabio's development at some point soon.
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Was literally about to type the same thing. The "Class of 2019" (Norgaard, Jansson, Jensen, Mbeumo, Pinnock and Raya) were the best combined £23m any club will ever spend in a single transfer window, but Old Father Time—and contracts—catch up with everyone in the end.
 

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CTBee said:
I see it pretty simply in that due to various injuries and illnesses Jensen has very rarely been fully match fit/sharp this season.

However, in the previous two seasons combined he played 69 games with eight goals and nine assists. For a deep lying midfield player (he is not a number 10), those are pretty good stats. One injury hit season and people are writing him off, feels a bit premature to me.
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TF has said on record his levels dropped last season from our 2nd season in the PL, where he was exceptional.

For me he is only a squad player , not finished and whether he will be happy being a squad player one wonders. Partly it’s not only down to him but emergence of other players. We always needed to replace our championship midfield and TF knows that. I have yet to see any comment who has criticised his time with us but it is time to move on.

I would add when some posters including me started to comment on Pinnock’s decline this season we had the usually posters on GPG criticising us - interested to know in the GPG interview with TF he acknowledge Pinnock levels have dropped ?
 
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Les Beeavinu said:
I've always thought he's quality but I just have a feeling that a mutual parting of the ways is coming. He can go to pretty much any country in Europe and be a midfield starter for a decent club. Being Dams (or everyone's) deputy with us is not going to help his Denmark career. I doubt we'd ask for a massive fee so he could get a nice signing on fee somewhere and 29 seems the right time to do it - each year after this is going to be more difficult. We're also going to have to prioritise Fabio's development at some point soon.
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A very good and balanced view on him.

Its the other stuff thats frustrating.

I think he sill offers us something. Again like the newer players in the squad, not easy to get back up to speed when all he is getting is small 10-15min cameos. Theres also a bit of me thinking that we forget how good he actually is. Before his injuries he was first name on the sheet.
 

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Fleeting Moments of class undoubtably but is that enough given our progress?
 

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Mark H said:
Spot on.

He came on yesterday with 20 mins to go in a game we were chasing and he missed placed 3 passes and some say he is finished.

Unbelievable!
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If you think bringing him on was not an issue on sunday then I must admit I am sure you was not watching the same game I was. Bloke lost the ball numerous amount of times. You can cling on to all the memories you like. It does not change the fact that he is not up to the level we need players to be at. Janelt is slowly doing that too. Both of them do not get back in the side if we have a fully fit XI. Yarmo and Damsgaard get in over them both with CN sitting behind them. It is very naive of some of you to think that because he has played 200+ games that he is going to warrant a place in that XI forever.
 

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Silly Hat said:
Great support ?
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For wanting to see an improvement on the team? Yeah top support pal. Bloke has not been at the level for a long long time now and its time that people started seeing that. Slow on the ball and reduces the tempo in games where we need to go and win the game. Not be 1-0 up and have our backs against the wall as we have a midfielder who just wants to G-Tech slide with a Jensen.
 

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gbfc1889 said:
If you think bringing him on was not an issue on sunday then I must admit I am sure you was not watching the same game I was. Bloke lost the ball numerous amount of times. You can cling on to all the memories you like. It does not change the fact that he is not up to the level we need players to be at. Janelt is slowly doing that too. Both of them do not get back in the side if we have a fully fit XI. Yarmo and Damsgaard get in over them both with CN sitting behind them. It is very naive of some of you to think that because he has played 200+ games that he is going to warrant a place in that XI forever.
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That you think Norgaard sits behind Yarmo highlights that you have no idea what you're watching.
 

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gbfc1889 said:
For wanting to see an improvement on the team? Yeah top support pal. Bloke has not been at the level for a long long time now and its time that people started seeing that. Slow on the ball and reduces the tempo in games where we need to go and win the game. Not be 1-0 up and have our backs against the wall as we have a midfielder who just wants to G-Tech slide with a Jensen.
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10 posts and I got to tell you, it's not going great. Try talking to people in a less confrontational way and drop the patronizing sh*t. This isn't Twitter, we try as much as we can to talk to other members normally and respect different opinions. Like grown ups.
 
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