Mathias Jensen

Mathias Jensen

What we know about Jensen in his time with us is he needs a run of games to get back to his best. The problem is he has gone down the pecking order so will now struggle to get that run of games.

If he is happy to be a squad player then that would be good for us as he still offers something off the bench but I can't see him being a regular starter moving forward.
 

Mathias Jensen

W5BeesFan said:
Jensen is one Damsgard "tweaked hamstring" away from starting. Thomas trusts Matty and he still provides a touch of creativity and passing vision in MF. He isn't the strongest on the ball but we have others who do that role. In the current squad Maghoma isn't ready yet and beyond him I don't see who is no.2 for Mikel. Happy to be enlightened.
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Carvalho.

Actually, Fábio is not the same type of player as Damsgaard who is not the same type of player as Jensen. In a wild world scenario, it would be possible to play all three together. Each would play behind the other positionally, with Fábio in the box, Mikkel just behind and playing across the width of the penalty area but outside, and Mathias deeper, playing the width of the pitch and playing longer balls.

The beauty of these with their different attributes is that it gives Thomas options to tweak the style of play with one or two of them (three is a bit unrealistic!). They’re not really either/or and the players around them would need to work differently. Gone are the days of rigid structures.
 

Mathias Jensen

W5BeesFan said:
Jensen is one Damsgard "tweaked hamstring" away from starting. Thomas trusts Matty and he still provides a touch of creativity and passing vision in MF. He isn't the strongest on the ball but we have others who do that role. In the current squad Maghoma isn't ready yet and beyond him I don't see who is no.2 for Mikel. Happy to be enlightened.
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We don't currently have a number two but I would like us to bring a young one in this close season. I understand those who defend MJ's contribution, and definitely think that at his best he is a top quality Prem midfielder, but how often have we really seen that last four years?

Sure there have been injuries but IMO there have simply not been sufficient 8/9 out of 10 performances during our Prem years. It would be interesting to know how many GPG MOTMs he has won when starting during this time. If he wants to stay, I would definitely keep him but I would also invest in another option.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
We don't currently have a number two but I would like us to bring a young one in this close season. I understand those who defend MJ's contribution, and definitely think that at his best he is a top quality Prem midfielder, but how often have we really seen that last four years?

Sure there have been injuries but IMO there have simply not been sufficient 8/9 out of 10 performances during our Prem years. It would be interesting to know how many GPG MOTMs he has won when starting during this time. If he wants to stay, I would definitely keep him but I would also invest in another option.
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The boy Fab ? Description : creative midfielder.
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Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
It would be interesting to know how many GPG MOTMs he has won when starting during this time. If he wants to stay,
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I only have 3 seasons of details but from a quick check I make it 6 in 2022 - 2023 - when he also got the most votes across the season, 3 in 2023 - 2024 but none this season.
 

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Beecareful said:
The boy Fab ? Description : creative midfielder.
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Perhaps, but there are obvious question marks about him. We shall see, but given our (or should I say MB's) ambitions, I think a young, up and coming AM would be a very useful addition. I would not currently be happy to rest on MJ and FC as the alternatives should Damsgaard get injured.
 

Mathias Jensen

It appears to me that, like a lot of players Matty really needs a run of games to hit his top level, but he in particular really misfires when dropped into the team cold. He's an excellent player but I fear he may struggle now that he has fallen down the pecking order.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
We don't currently have a number two but I would like us to bring a young one in this close season. I understand those who defend MJ's contribution, and definitely think that at his best he is a top quality Prem midfielder, but how often have we really seen that last four years?

Sure there have been injuries but IMO there have simply not been sufficient 8/9 out of 10 performances during our Prem years. It would be interesting to know how many GPG MOTMs he has won when starting during this time. If he wants to stay, I would definitely keep him but I would also invest in another option.
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Strange, I seem to remember his stint prior to the last injury being exceptional.
 

Mathias Jensen

We want / need greater strength in depth and MJ provides a valuable option for a starting place or on the bench.

I have hardly looked at a team sheet all season as the starting 11 almost picks itself every week bar injuries. That is not a position we want to find ourselves going forward
 

Mathias Jensen

Frothybaby said:
Strange, I seem to remember his stint prior to the last injury being exceptional.
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Yes, so do I - his best period of form since he has been here but the very fact it stands out so clearly is indicative!

I am very definitely not a hater: I just think we need more options if we are to cement our current position and perhaps improve upon it
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
Yes, so do I - his best period of form since he has been here but the very fact it stands out so clearly is indicative!

I am very definitely not a hater: I just think we need more options if we are to cement our current position and perhaps improve upon it
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None the less, no reason he won't attain it again, or even better.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
Perhaps, but there are obvious question marks about him. We shall see, but given our (or should I say MB's) ambitions, I think a young, up and coming AM would be a very useful addition. I would not currently be happy to rest on MJ and FC as the alternatives should Damsgaard get injured.
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You don’t think a 22 year old AM we paid £25m for from Liverpool doesn’t fit into the description of “young, up and coming AM”?

Tough crowd.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
Perhaps, but there are obvious question marks about him. We shall see, but given our (or should I say MB's) ambitions, I think a young, up and coming AM would be a very useful addition. I would not currently be happy to rest on MJ and FC as the alternatives should Damsgaard get injured.
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I would, one knows our system and was first name on the team sheet before injuries...................... And Fabio will be a player for us.
 

Mathias Jensen

Frothybaby said:
None the less, no reason he won't attain it again, or even better.
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Hope so, but not enough evidence in my view that we can rely on it.
 

Mathias Jensen

AB said:
You don’t think a 22 year old AM we paid £25m for from Liverpool doesn’t fit into the description of “young, up and coming AM”?

Tough crowd.
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As mentioned, time we tell on FC but there are justifiable reasons to be a little sceptical on this.

The toughest of the crowd is the club's owner!
 

Mathias Jensen

Isleworth_Bee said:
I would, one knows our system and was first name on the team sheet before injuries...................... And Fabio will be a player for us.
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Hope you are right but feels a bit like treading water to me rather than pushing on when well placed.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
As mentioned, time we tell on FC but there are justifiable reasons to be a little sceptical on this.

The toughest of the crowd is the club's owner!
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This is not MB’s first rodeo. I suspect if he’s read the early pages of the threads on KLP, Damsgaard, Collins, Schade and compared them to the ones a couple of seasons later he’ll have done so with a wry smile and a distinct lack of scepticism about how his money has been spent.
 

Mathias Jensen

AB said:
This is not MB’s first rodeo. I suspect if he’s read the early pages of the threads on KLP, Damsgaard, Collins, Schade and compared them to the ones a couple of seasons later he’ll have done so with a wry smile and a distinct lack of scepticism about how his money has been spent.
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No doubt about this at all but he also wants ongoing, iterative improvement. This does not mean questioning the fundamentals of what has been done up to this point - no need - but it does mean hard and critical questioning when a player is not reaching their potential more regularly over a long time period.
 

Mathias Jensen

IslandBee said:
No doubt about this at all but he also wants ongoing, iterative improvement. This does not mean questioning the fundamentals of what has been done up to this point - no need - but it does mean hard and critical questioning when a player is not reaching their potential more regularly over a long time period.
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As Carvalho has only been with us one season we’re a long way off saying he’s not on target to reach the potential which had us giving him a 5+1 contract. I’m sure the hard and critical (and supportive) questioning the relevant people at the club will be doing for him and everyone else has been happening from day one. But the firm scepticism you expressed is very unlikely to have been reached by them and the long time period has nowhere near elapsed.

On the one year timescale they’d have seen some of Collins’ performances middle of last season and concluded as some on here did that maybe Wolves were right to have felt they’d got one over on us. I doubt very much they did take that hard and critical view then. Damsgaard may have improved iteratively over 2 seasons but I suspect if I went back to last summer’s posts even those of us in the RTB who’d point to some improved late season performances would not have gone so far as to be confident they marked out a 10 assist season coming up. But again, I suspect TF et al were far less surprised by it when it came.

So going back on topic, I don’t reckon from what they’ve said that they’ve concluded Jensen is now falling behind what we want or the Carvalho won’t get where we want him to get.
 

Mathias Jensen

AB said:
As Carvalho has only been with us one season we’re a long way off saying he’s not on target to reach the potential which had us giving him a 5+1 contract. I’m sure the hard and critical (and supportive) questioning the relevant people at the club will be doing for him and everyone else has been happening from day one. But the firm scepticism you expressed is very unlikely to have been reached by them and the long time period has nowhere near elapsed.

On the one year timescale they’d have seen some of Collins’ performances middle of last season and concluded as some on here did that maybe Wolves were right to have felt they’d got one over on us. I doubt very much they did take that hard and critical view then. Damsgaard may have improved iteratively over 2 seasons but I suspect if I went back to last summer’s posts even those of us in the RTB who’d point to some improved late season performances would not have gone so far as to be confident they marked out a 10 assist season coming up. But again, I suspect TF et al were far less surprised by it when it came.

So going back on topic, I don’t reckon from what they’ve said that they’ve concluded Jensen is now falling behind what we want or the Carvalho won’t get where we want him to get.
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My posts have mainly been about MJ not FC. The jury might still be out on the latter (and the father's interventions do not help), but I agree the Dams and Collins examples are very apposite with respect to FC

On MJ, we will have to agree to differ. I think the close and early season will be really important for him. With support, yes, and a lack of injuries, he may well come good. He has before. But, I would not be happy to rely on this given his overall level of performance since he has been with us.
 

Mathias Jensen

Voice from the Braemar said:
They do cos they seem to forget how bad he was before actually having a decent season (the past)…works both ways ?
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Like many imports, he took a while to get up to the speed of the English game. He was never near "bad", as you put it, but I remember me being critical, in particular, of him getting caught dwelling on the ball and of "floaty" passes in the early days. He soon corrected this and became our talisman (whatever that means), dominating midfield with energy, combativity and creativity, providing us with a glorious passing range and a world record nutmeg tally. His form has dipped below his own high standards in the past six months, and now, as others have commented, he finds it difficult to recapture form without the chance of a decent run of games.

How's my memory?
 

Mathias Jensen

Lionel Bart-At said:
Like many imports, he took a while to get up to the speed of the English game. He was never near "bad", as you put it, but I remember me being critical, in particular, of him getting caught dwelling on the ball and of "floaty" passes in the early days. He soon corrected this and became our talisman (whatever that means), dominating midfield with energy, combativity and creativity, providing us with a glorious passing range and a world record nutmeg tally. His form has dipped below his own high standards in the past six months, and now, as others have commented, he finds it difficult to recapture form without the chance of a decent run of games.

How's my memory?
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I agree, the use of the word bad should be replaced with the word “sh*t”. Forget about “Collin’s cousin” we need jensen’s twin brother, impersonating a footballer, to do one.
 

Mathias Jensen

San Diego FC?… he follows the club on social media (and does not follow any others). A few Danes on the squad too…
 

Mathias Jensen

If MJ doesn't play in our first game of the season, I reckon it'll be the first time since promotion that no-one from our Play Off Final winning starting XI has featured in a PL starting XI......

(Unless Ethan plays....)

(If that makes any sense to anyone??!! ?)
 

Mathias Jensen

badgerbee said:
If MJ doesn't play in our first game of the season, I reckon it'll be the first time since promotion that no-one from our Play Off Final winning starting XI has featured in a PL starting XI......

(Unless Ethan plays....)

(If that makes any sense to anyone??!! ?)
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Janelt ?
 

Mathias Jensen

badgerbee said:
If MJ doesn't play in our first game of the season, I reckon it'll be the first time since promotion that no-one from our Play Off Final winning starting XI has featured in a PL starting XI......

(Unless Ethan plays....)

(If that makes any sense to anyone??!! ?)
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Rico? Or did he miss out?
 

Mathias Jensen

Mathias Jensen

I suspect Jensen’s days are largely numbered with us.

Became better than I ever thought he would but (and I know this will annoy a fair few), much like Sawyers, I always thought and still think he’s rated too highly by many, because of the good things he does, rather than his weaknesses.

He added the workrate that I never thought he would, and all credit to him for that, but fundamentally I don’t think he’s athletic enough for the modern day PL to not be a weakness in the middle, at the level we’re now aiming for.

Whatever the role, whether a Damsgaard, Norgaard, or Yarmo, he’s simply not at their all-round level in any of their respective roles.

With TF going I think we’ll see less and less of him (if he stays).
 

Mathias Jensen

badgerbee said:
If MJ doesn't play in our first game of the season, I reckon it'll be the first time since promotion that no-one from our Play Off Final winning starting XI has featured in a PL starting XI......

(Unless Ethan plays....)

(If that makes any sense to anyone??!! ?)
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LongLostBee said:
I suspect Jensen’s days are largely numbered with us.

Became better than I ever thought he would but (and I know this will annoy a fair few), much like Sawyers, I always thought and still think he’s rated too highly by many, because of the good things he does, rather than his weaknesses.

He added the workrate that I never thought he would, and all credit to him for that, but fundamentally I don’t think he’s athletic enough for the modern day PL to not be a weakness in the middle, at the level we’re now aiming for.

Whatever the role, whether a Damsgaard, Norgaard, or Yarmo, he’s simply not at their all-round level in any of their respective roles.

With TF going I think we’ll see less and less of him (if he stays).
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Just totally agree. Been brilliant but since comeback this season doesn’t seem to be up to the pace when he’s come on
 

Mathias Jensen

Matthias old fruit I think your days in the firat team are up. ?
 

Mathias Jensen

Les Beeavinu said:
Not sure why that's funny tbh.
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Sorry it wasn't supposed to be funny more a cheeky provocative suggestion. He's a player who seems to divide opinion and some may feel a new set of eyes may see some of our first team peripheral figures differently from the ever loyal TF.
 

Mathias Jensen

Wouldbee said:
Sorry it wasn't supposed to be funny more a cheeky provocative suggestion. He's a player who seems to divide opinion and some may feel a new set of eyes may see some of our first team peripheral figures differently from the ever loyal TF.
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The 'ever loyal TF'. Um
 

Mathias Jensen

Wouldbee said:
Sorry it wasn't supposed to be funny more a cheeky provocative suggestion. He's a player who seems to divide opinion and some may feel a new set of eyes may see some of our first team peripheral figures differently from the ever loyal TF.
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You seem to be suggesting that Jensen is only still at Brentford because Thomas Frank liked him?
 

Mathias Jensen

CTBee said:
You seem to be suggesting that Jensen is only still at Brentford because Thomas Frank liked him?
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Surely this is not the beginning of another attack on one of our players in an attempt to drive him out of the club. Jensen has been a wonderful servant to the club, and an integral part of the squad. As better players gain places in the first team it is inevitable that players such as Jensen, and Pinnock will drop to the Bench. A stronger squad develops as these sort of players drop out of the team, and become squad players. Should they transfer away then their skills are lost to the club, and the strength of the squad diminished.
 

Mathias Jensen

CTBee said:
You seem to be suggesting that Jensen is only still at Brentford because Thomas Frank liked him?
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No. I'm suggesting a new set of eyes may decide he's going to move down the pecking order. This suggestion is based upon and was floated due to the way fans opinion of him is very split. That's all. He may equally go on to be made Captain and a regular starter. It was a cheeky provocation of a comment. You know, for debate and that. Note the time it was sent. Imagine I might have had a rum and ginger beer or three as I contemplated the days sad events.
 

Mathias Jensen

TadB said:
Surely this is not the beginning of another attack on one of our players in an attempt to drive him out of the club. Jensen has been a wonderful servant to the club, and an integral part of the squad. As better players gain places in the first team it is inevitable that players such as Jensen, and Pinnock will drop to the Bench. A stronger squad develops as these sort of players drop out of the team, and become squad players. Should they transfer away then their skills are lost to the club, and the strength of the squad diminished.
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Why does everything have to be "an attack"...
This is like saying someone getting an upgrade on their car from a Ford Mondeo to a BMW M4, saying they like the new car and wouldn't go back, and the reaction on here being "he's out there attacking Ford Mondeos!".
Nobody is going to drive a player out of the club by posting on here that they think might not be good enough or good enough anymore.
 

Mathias Jensen

LongLostBee said:
Why does everything have to be "an attack"...
This is like saying someone getting an upgrade on their car from a Ford Mondeo to a BMW M4, saying they like the new car and wouldn't go back, and the reaction on here being "he's out there attacking Ford Mondeos!".
Nobody is going to drive a player out of the club by posting on here that they think might not be good enough or good enough anymore.
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My point is why the criticism of Jenson? He has been an excellent servant of the club. Part of the promotion team. Now others are coming into the first team, and he has lost his place so has stepped down to the bench. He can still do an excellent job for the team by strengthening the Bench. He does not deserve some of the comments made.
 

Mathias Jensen

If Milambo and another come in, I reckon we sell Matty, while he is still worth something.
 
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