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I think it’s ridiculous that reputable shows such as MOTD can’t get players names right. Vast majority of the time seems to happen to black players. Lazy journalism!

This clip, full of praise for Brentford, gets Mbuemo and Onyeka mixed up (around 30sec mark) It’s not difficult!

It's lazy and embarrassing and borderline racist. hope the club press team needs is voicing concerns about how much this happens.
 

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It's not borderline racist. It's so called professionals not being professional in doing their research.

It's both. Typically it only happens to African players by lazy old white guys who do it repeatedly and don't care that they are only pronouncing black players names' wrong. If you don't see the discrimination in that (or being unable to tell two VERY different looking black men apart) than I have very little chance of persuading you.

Is it capital R racist? No, of course not.
 

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It's both. Typically it only happens to African players by lazy old white guys who do it repeatedly and don't care that they are only pronouncing black players names' wrong. If you don't see the discrimination in that (or being unable to tell two VERY different looking black men apart) than I have very little chance of persuading you.

Is it capital R racist? No, of course not.
So that's not discrimination at all there, is it?
 

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So that's not discrimination at all there, is it?

Wow - you realize it's not racist to point out when white people are doing racist things, right? Yes - it's typical older white guys who are too lazy to learn how to pronounce African names. If that's a "controversial" point, we probably don't have much common ground on this subject.
 

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Wow - you realize it's not racist to point out when white people are doing racist things, right? Yes - it's typical older white guys who are too lazy to learn how to pronounce African names. If that's a "controversial" point, we probably don't have much common ground on this subject.
You've had it pointed out to you that it's both black and white players who have been wrongly identified in the game. You were the one to suggest it was an issue of race rather than incompetence.

But you yourself then suggest it must be all the fault of 'old white guys'.

Check that ironyometer.
 

MotD

I am not going to engage in this debate anymore because it won't be productive. Here is some reading on how you can learn more about this type of discrimination and the impact it has on many minority athletes and students. I hope you change your mind.



 

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Good coverage, but Toney never gets credit for his touches and flicks and defensive work. It's always physical attributes and penalties!

Loved Pep saying the best team won. Also sounded like he was saying we couldn't really work out what do do!
Noticeable also from those clips how well other players were positioning themselves to take advantage of Toney winning balls in the air, which hasn't always been the case.
 

MotD

I think it’s ridiculous that reputable shows such as MOTD can’t get players names right. Vast majority of the time seems to happen to black players. Lazy journalism!

This clip, full of praise for Brentford, gets Mbuemo and Onyeka mixed up (around 30sec mark) It’s not difficult!

.............sure they had the names wrong in the build up to one of our goals away at Chelsea.................
 

MotD

I am not going to engage in this debate anymore because it won't be productive. Here is some reading on how you can learn more about this type of discrimination and the impact it has on many minority athletes and students. I hope you change your mind.




Don’t go all Ealing bee on us please, we can’t afford the bandwidth!
 

MotD

I think it’s ridiculous that reputable shows such as MOTD can’t get players names right. Vast majority of the time seems to happen to black players. Lazy journalism!

This clip, full of praise for Brentford, gets Mbuemo and Onyeka mixed up (around 30sec mark) It’s not difficult!

You ought to send this in to the Daily mail for the letters page.
They will almost definitely print it.
 

MotD

Yes saw that. Wasn't even a slip of tongue from the commentator, it was they players they were highlighting. Really poor, and no excuses for that
And you should send a letter to the Daily Star.
I reckon that it would definitely be printed.
 

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It's both. Typically it only happens to African players by lazy old white guys who do it repeatedly and don't care that they are only pronouncing black players names' wrong. If you don't see the discrimination in that (or being unable to tell two VERY different looking black men apart) than I have very little chance of persuading you.

Is it capital R racist? No, of course not.
No. It's professionals being unprofessional. Almost as bad as people who use a lazy generalisation to try and make a point.
 

MotD

I am not going to engage in this debate anymore because it won't be productive. Here is some reading on how you can learn more about this type of discrimination and the impact it has on many minority athletes and students. I hope you change your mind.



You should send a letter to the Sun.
You might even win a tenner.
 

MotD

@stevendamico i wouldn’t call it racism. There’s some research that shows it is more difficult to differentiate people of other ethnicities. BBC article linked here but I’ve read about it before

however it’s not an excuse. Journalists should check their work and be extra careful.

 

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@stevendamico i wouldn’t call it racism. There’s some research that shows it is more difficult to differentiate people of other ethnicities. BBC article linked here but I’ve read about it before

however it’s not an excuse. Journalists should check their work and be extra careful.


The mixup of Bryan and Frank is less of what I'm taking issue with - after all there hasn't been a pattern of that and we can chalk that one up to a one-time dumb mistake. I don't think the article you shared is much an excuse though - we are talking about proffesional football producers/commentators who have spent a career exposed to different looking people.

I will, however, stand by my point that the continued butchering of African names is "borderline racist." The extent to which older, white, worldly, educated, professional, football commentators, continually (and seemingly without care) mispronounce African names is so notable that it has been the subject of journalism. The reason it verges on discrimination is because it's a known problem they don't care to fix. I'm thinking specifically of the announcer from a few weeks back (Bournemouth?) who said Bryan's name about twenty different ways (seriously, the producer couldn't train him on how to say it during the half?).

To be honest Beelieve!, I'm very surprised by the folks on here who are having such a knee-jerk reaction to the idea that it might be just a tad bit racist. Some of the responses I got here sound really -gasp- American, to me.
 

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The mixup of Bryan and Frank is less of what I'm taking issue with - after all there hasn't been a pattern of that and we can chalk that one up to a one-time dumb mistake. I don't think the article you shared is much an excuse though - we are talking about proffesional football producers/commentators who have spent a career exposed to different looking people.

I will, however, stand by my point that the continued butchering of African names is "borderline racist." The extent to which older, white, worldly, educated, professional, football commentators, continually (and seemingly without care) mispronounce African names is so notable that it has been the subject of journalism. The reason it verges on discrimination is because it's a known problem they don't care to fix. I'm thinking specifically of the announcer from a few weeks back (Bournemouth?) who said Bryan's name about twenty different ways (seriously, the producer couldn't train him on how to say it during the half?).

To be honest Beelieve!, I'm very surprised by the folks on here who are having such a knee-jerk reaction to the idea that it might be just a tad bit racist. Some of the responses I got here sound really -gasp- American, to me.
Ian Wright was sitting next to Alan Shearer on the sofa and if there was a whiff of racism on the programme then Ian would be on it like a flash.
Don't make a problem when there is not one here.
A simple graphical error on a name.
The summary was pro our players wether they were black (hate that word) or white.
On the most positive MotDs in a few weeks.
 

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How the f*** has this thread got here?
....budget cuts at the beeb signalled the end of elocution lessons for their MOTD presenters.........that.....or some of them are just ignorant.
 

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To be honest Beelieve!, I'm very surprised by the folks on here who are having such a knee-jerk reaction to the idea that it might be just a tad bit racist. Some of the responses I got here sound really -gasp- American, to me.
Wouldn't it only be racist if they did it on purpose, but unprofessional if they do it through lack of preparation. I'm also sure mistakes are made with eastern European names amongst others by presenters and the general public alike, wasn't Dave called Dave because people struggled with pronouncing Tourmani Daigouraga although we thouroghly loved him, people still struggle with Sergi Canos and some have never got Nicky Forsters name right?
 

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Exactly.
Someone called Bryan Onyeka and all of a sudden it's a load of bo**ocks.
I called Frank Josh the other week.
Do I get a 5 year ban?

And I'm a leftie

I would love to drop this and get back on topic, but please don't misrepresent what I was saying, I made the fairly innocuous point that the constant mispronunciations of African names by football announcers is "borderline racist." I also said that the Bryan Frank mix up wasn't the end of the world. It's a fairly tame point that you and a few others went ape over... No one is suggesting you be banned or that you are bad person. Please chill.
 

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I would love to drop this and get back on topic, but please don't misrepresent what I was saying, I made the fairly innocuous point that the constant mispronunciations of African names by football announcers is "borderline racist." I also said that the Bryan Frank mix up wasn't the end of the world. It's a fairly tame point that you and a few others went ape over... No one is suggesting you be banned or that you are bad person. Please chill.
I am chilled and I was being sarcastic.
I certainly have not gone ape over the comments on Match of the day either so please don't say I have.
I was surprised over the comments made towards the presenters and have said my piece. I will say to you leave it and leave it now before this gets silly.
Return to topic and do it ASAP.
Be a good idea If you do.
 

MotD

Enough, this thread is serving no good purpose at a time when we should be all in a great place for all things Brentford with the rest of West London pointless this weekend.
Was just thinking that.
MotD 2 tonight just to see BHA get beat and Stevenage Road get beat in the 93rd minute by an 18 year old kid.
What a weekend ?
 

MotD

I would love to drop this and get back on topic, but please don't misrepresent what I was saying, I made the fairly innocuous point that the constant mispronunciations of African names by football announcers is "borderline racist." I also said that the Bryan Frank mix up wasn't the end of the world. It's a fairly tame point that you and a few others went ape over... No one is suggesting you be banned or that you are bad person. Please chill.
Never replied to this sort of thing before, but what you said was clear racism, the only example of it i n the whole conversation.
 

MotD

The mixup of Bryan and Frank is less of what I'm taking issue with - after all there hasn't been a pattern of that and we can chalk that one up to a one-time dumb mistake. I don't think the article you shared is much an excuse though - we are talking about proffesional football producers/commentators who have spent a career exposed to different looking people.

I will, however, stand by my point that the continued butchering of African names is "borderline racist." The extent to which older, white, worldly, educated, professional, football commentators, continually (and seemingly without care) mispronounce African names is so notable that it has been the subject of journalism. The reason it verges on discrimination is because it's a known problem they don't care to fix. I'm thinking specifically of the announcer from a few weeks back (Bournemouth?) who said Bryan's name about twenty different ways (seriously, the producer couldn't train him on how to say it during the half?).

To be honest Beelieve!, I'm very surprised by the folks on here who are having such a knee-jerk reaction to the idea that it might be just a tad bit racist. Some of the responses I got here sound really -gasp- American, to me.
Personally I think the way you've jumped to racism sounds very American to me. Let's not be sensational at every opportunity.

Anyway, I thought MOTD were very complementary and didn't do the usual "City had an off day", they made it mostly about us which was nice to see.
 

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Typically it only happens to African players by lazy old white guys who do it repeatedly and don't care that they are only pronouncing black players names' wrong.
I noticed that Bryan's name was misspelled 'Mbuemo' rather than 'Mbeumo' on one of the graphics on MotD last night. It would obviously be very lazy to repeatedly make the same mistake on an internet forum.
 

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Plenty of people pronounce it as if it was spelled Mbuemo.
Lucky we weren't on MotD when John Buttigieg was playing. I am also hoping for some good names in the WC. Who can forget John Motson and co. struggling with Lopez Ufarte in 1982?
 

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Yep. Just don't call him Dave. Toums used to hate it apparently.
Hopefully not because he thought it was racist, more that he found those opting for calling him Dave were lazy or stupid, although generally I think it was said more with affection?
 

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People being people and making mistakes? Who would have thought it? We're not all perfect in our working lives.

MotD commentary is taken from live reporting, so what they're saying was recorded at the time, so mistakes will be made. Some people thought Josh started against Gillingham and were slagging him off for his 1st half performance, so I think I can allow a commentator mixing up players during a live, fast paced event.

The idea that is a racist attack is also quite ludicrous and hope there is consideration to the severity of that accusation. If you think it is racist, report it. IMHO it is lazy journalism at worst; mistake in the moment at best.

f***ing hell, against United I was convinced that Jensen wasn't on the pitch until he scored and that it was actually Mads Roeslev!
 

MotD

I would love to drop this and get back on topic, but please don't misrepresent what I was saying, I made the fairly innocuous point that the constant mispronunciations of African names by football announcers is "borderline racist." I also said that the Bryan Frank mix up wasn't the end of the world. It's a fairly tame point that you and a few others went ape over... No one is suggesting you be banned or that you are bad person. Please chill.
Where do you stand on the Sergio Canios ? Is that rascist?
 
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