Nathan Collins (30 Viewers)

[North London Bee]

All about opinions i should realise mine does'nt count (yawn)

Come on Mate, you have put forward your opinion, others simply disagree and we therefore debate it openly and honestly and without getting personal. That is what the GPG is all about.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It was a foul borne out of desperation to get a ball back but I don't get the leg breaker opinions tbh.

 

[RAF_Patto]

I disagree

You might disagree, and that is absolutely fine. But I challenge you to look at the laws of the game and objectively find a way that your opinion is backed up. I think you'll struggle.

 

[Untouchable]

You might disagree, and that is absolutely fine. But I challenge you to look at the laws of the game and objectively find a way that your opinion is backed up. I think you'll struggle.

There’s more to it than the laws of the game. There are a number of factors that a referee should consider and a number of them are in Nathan’s favour.

Still, another referee might have sent him off and we wouldn’t have won any appeal.

 

[pompeybee]

I was pretty much level with the incident and have watched it again several times since. My view hasn't changed. Collins has to race out to engage Watkins before he gets into the penalty area. There are at least two Bees players behind Collins also racing into the penalty area to cover the square pass to another Villa player arriving in the box. As a defender you have to deal with the imminent threat not what might become a secondary threat.
I'm particularly peed off that we had to lose to a goal by Watkins of all people.

At the time I was just wondering where Ajer was - he'd have been the most obvious player to be covering the area Watkins went through.

 

[gj]

Come on Mate, you have put forward your opinion, others simply disagree and we therefore debate it openly and honestly and without getting personal. That is what the GPG is all about.

Dont think i got personal if anything others did e:g glasses

 

[damsgard.szn]

thought he won the ball, havent looked at it since, anyway that challenge shouldnt have happened if one of the 3 fouls were called in the build up.

 

[andyrew]

Agreed but Flekken was beaten by the deflection, not the original shot.

Nathan has blocked so many shots successfully this season that one deflection whilst attempting to block is quite understandable. I know that supporters will be dissappointed at the outcome, but a little perspective is called for here.

 

[ChertseyBee]

We should be grateful that Jared Gillet is such an appalling referee. He had the yellow card out before Nathan Collins had even got back up. A decent ref would have given himself a few seconds thinking time and if that had been the case, it might well have been red. Gillet is just a terrible Aussie version of Keith Stroud.

 

[TorbayBee]

Overall he had a very good game I think

 

[alikat]

We should be grateful that Jared Gillet is such an appalling referee. He had the yellow card out before Nathan Collins had even got back up. A decent ref would have given himself a few seconds thinking time and if that had been the case, it might well have been red. Gillet is just a terrible Aussie version of Keith Stroud.

He was excellent in the Muff playoff game though!

 

[BEEcool]

Overall he had a very good game I think

Gilllet?

 

[AB]

How is his opinion reflecting his Admin status?

Odd.

If he wanted to “reflect his Admin status” he could just have deleted the post rather than disagree with it in a comment.

 

[TorbayBee]

Gilllet?

Collins

 

[ChertseyBee]

He was excellent in the Muff playoff game though!

Maybe, but four years later he’s up there with worst PL refs around.

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

If he wanted to “reflect his Admin status” he could just have deleted the post rather than disagree with it in a comment.

Proper weird.

 

[Jago16]

By Henry Winter this morning:

I’m surprised that more wasn’t made of Nathan Collins’s challenge on Youri Tielemans. The Brentford defender is having a very good season but he risked endangering the Aston Villa midfielder with his studs-showing challenge, skimming the top of the ball. The 23-year-old was booked for the foul on Tielemans, and was fortunate that Jarred Gillett did not deem it worthy of a red. Tielemans was fortunate he wasn’t injured.

Probably my player of the season and he obviously was just trying to win the ball robustly but you can't do that tackle any more, maybe 20 years ago it was a good tackle, but the game has changed and it is not allowed now. That was a red, there is absolutely no need to start a tackle this high:

 

[Brentford77]

I personally felt it was as bad or probably marginally worse than Kovatic which generated several pages of righteous anger on here. (Stands by for pelters)

 

[Poolieboydave]

Your glasses are too red and white tinted. It was a shocker.

Well over the top of the ball, I thought we got away with one

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Probably my player of the season and he obviously was just trying to win the ball robustly but you can't do that tackle any more, maybe 20 years ago it was a good tackle, but the game has changed and it is not allowed now. That was a red, there is absolutely no need to start a tackle this high:

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This is ridiculous, are we attempting self harm here? That foot made no contact with the player at any point- this was after he had played the ball and you can even see the gap in the still image. The follow through with his upper leg was the first time he made contact.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I personally felt it was as bad or probably marginally worse than Kovatic which generated several pages of righteous anger on here. (Stands by for pelters)

Nonsense, Kovatic's tackling leg made no contact with the ball until after he had made significant contact with Wissa through his ankle ( and caused injury) - there was no contact on Teilemans with Collins tackling leg. He got booked for the follow through I imagine.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Well over the top of the ball, I thought we got away with one

How can it be over the top when he actually played the ball?

 

[Poolieboydave]

How can it be over the top when he actually played the ball?

Accept you don’t agree; but it was very high, foot clearly over the ball clearly in the stills. Am pleased it was just a yellow

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Accept you don’t agree; but it was very high, foot clearly over the ball clearly in the stills. Am pleased it was just a yellow

There is a 6 inch gap and the foot never once touched Tielemans.

 

[cliffbee]

If the assault on Norgaard v Leicester isn't a red then I don't see how this challenge can be even close to a red. At least he was trying to win the ball.

 

[ChertseyBee]

Definite red. Dermot says so on Sky. ?

And he also says no to the penalties!!!

 

[Brentford77]

Nonsense, Kocatic's tackling foot made no contact with the ball until after he had made significant contact with Wissa on his ankle ( and caused injury) - there was no contact on Teilemans with Collins tackling foot at any point. He got booked for the follow through I imagine.

Each to their own. We can both take the view that the other is talking absolute nonsense and leave it at that.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Each to their own. We can both take the view that the other is talking absolute nonsense and leave it at that.

You're pretty much saying a foul that doesn't make any contact is worse than a foul that put a player out for a month - simply because it's 6 inches higher (which was a result of his foot bouncing up after he played the ball).

 

[Brentford77]

You're pretty much saying a foul that doesn't make any contact is worse than a foul that put a player out for a month - simply because it's 6 inches higher (which was a result of his foot bouncing up after he played the ball).

No, I’m just interpreting the laws in terms of what constitutes a reckless challenge and what constitutes one using excessive force. And please let’s not bang on about this. You’ve nailed your colours very firmly to the mask on that challenge at the Ethiad and nothing I say is likely to change your view.

 

[Jago16]

I think its a red card, as was the Kovacic tackle. Doesn't actually have to injure someone to be a poor challenge.

If someone did that to Mbuemo I would want them offski

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I think its a red card, as was the Kovacic tackle. Doesn't actually have to injure someone to be a poor challenge.

If someone did that to Mbuemo I would want them offski

Do you accept the supposed dangerous foot made no contact though?

 

[Kingston Bee]

Assume the Collins tackle was also reviewed by VAR, who deemed yellow was good enough. Seems to me that the correct decision was made.

 

[Brentford77]

You're pretty much saying a foul that doesn't make any contact is worse than a foul that put a player out for a month - simply because it's 6 inches higher (which was a result of his foot bouncing up after he played the ball).

No, I’m just interpreting the laws in terms of what constitutes a reckless challenge and what constitutes one using excessive force. And please let’s not bang on about this. You’ve nailed your colours very firmly to the mask on that challenge at the Ethiad and nothing I say is likely to change your view.

 

[Jago16]

Do you accept the supposed dangerous foot made no contact though?

Yes of course, I do understand that is a mitigating factor and makes this an interesting one to think about. Can see why some would not think it a red. Still think flying in high like that is a red (these days). Also the follow-through contact on Tielemens' standing leg wasn't too clever either

 

[Brentford77]

Assume the Collins tackle was also reviewed by VAR, who deemed yellow was good enough. Seems to me that the correct decision was made.

Correct, it was reviewed specifically with regard to the possibility of recommending an on Field review for an upgrade to a red but VAR decided to stick with the on field decision which all things considered was probably about right but as other posters have stated there will be referees that would sanction that challenge with a red card and it’s very unlikely VAR would have recommended a downgrade had that happened

 

[Isleworth_Bee]

Assume the Collins tackle was also reviewed by VAR, who deemed yellow was good enough. Seems to me that the correct decision was made.

Yeah because those jokers know what they are doing dont they?

 

[HantsBee]

Definite red. Dermot says so on Sky. ?

And he also says no to the penalties!!!

Think you should re watch that...Dermot said he felt 2nd challenge on Schade WAS a penalty but not first as Cash had headed the ball out.
He also said had Collins made contact with the player's leg THEN it would have been red but his foot went over the ball and made no contact on the leg.
Rewriting history in good old gpg fashion.

 

[Untouchable]

Think you should re watch that...Dermot said he felt 2nd challenge on Schade WAS a penalty but not first as Cash had headed the ball out.
He also said had Collins made contact with the player's leg THEN it would have been red but his foot went over the ball and made no contact on the leg.
Rewriting history in good old gpg fashion.

I still don’t understand the relevance of Cash playing the ball. Another player, off the ball, wipes Schade out in the box. How is that ever not a foul?

 

[ChertseyBee]

Think you should re watch that...Dermot said he felt 2nd challenge on Schade WAS a penalty but not first as Cash had headed the ball out.
He also said had Collins made contact with the player's leg THEN it would have been red but his foot went over the ball and made no contact on the leg.
Rewriting history in good old gpg fashion.

Err... that's what the laughing face was all about!!

 

[HantsBee]

Err... that's what the laughing face was all about!!

Strange sense of humour you have... So stating things that are not true is apparently funny to you....hey ho...it takes all sorts...

 

[ChertseyBee]

Strange sense of humour you have... So stating things that are not true is apparently funny to you....hey ho...it takes all sorts...

Glad you agree.

 

[BEEcool]

I think it was maybe an orange card ??

 

[Edmundo]

Do you accept the supposed dangerous foot made no contact though?

It wasn’t just his foot that was dangerous, it was both legs and the force and momentum of his uncontrolled lunge. The raised studs was the least of it. It was very uncharacteristic of Nathan but we and he are fortunate that the ref didn’t give him a red as there is no way an appeal would have been successful.

 

[Bolivian Rovers]

I don't think it was the best tackle but I loved the intent to get the bal. He didn't go out to injure the player and it's the the type of tackle that revs up the crowd and we badly miss that and need it at times as we're too soft. You need to put a maker down and clearly it was near the end but I loved it and thankful that he didn't injure the opponent. As Always Up The Bees

 

[Les Beeavinu]

It wasn’t just his foot that was dangerous, it was both legs and the force and momentum of his uncontrolled lunge. The raised studs was the least of it. It was very uncharacteristic of Nathan but we and he are fortunate that the ref didn’t give him a red as there is no way an appeal would have been successful.

We weren't fortunate because it wasn't a red card. The correct decision was made.

 

[Mattingly Bee]

Your glasses are too red and white tinted. It was a shocker.

I thought he’d see a red card

 

[BuzzingBee95]

Seen a few posts saying he was partly at fault for Ollie's goal.

I think when you're talking about a single goal that has separated a game, it's easy to use the label of a 'mistake'. Especially when on any other day, Mark arguably saves it.

Yes we had players streaming back, but if NC commits he risks presenting Ollie with an easier opportunity to score. Ultimately, there is a deflection, a deflection which could just as easily gone out for a corner.

To label his decision a mistake would mean most defenders would be making 10 odd mistakes a game at that rate.

It's not a mistake, it's just unfortunate. Plus, you do have to credit Ollie for taking his shot very soon after entering the box

 

[Old B]

I was in line with it, haven’t seen it on tv, first impression was that is was forceful and the trailing leg appeared to make the scissors movement. If JG had given a red would/could VAR have recommend a review (I really don’t know exactly what VAR can and cannot look at), but I’m not too bothered learning as the knowledge wouldn’t enhance my enjoyment of the game. Although we do play some lovely stuff I reckon I have a window of five more years putting up with the blatant mis-officiating of games before I call it a day. At least that will be a ST available for New Brentford when I chuck it in!

 

[LongLostBee]

It looks like the Irish national team might keep playing Collins in midfield.
Whilst we're not overstocked with CBs right now...it might end up being a benefit to us if he develops/shows he can play there at international level.
From: Hallgrímsson sees Collins midfield experiment continuing

 

[jlove]

It looks like the Irish national team might keep playing Collins in midfield.
Whilst we're not overstocked with CBs right now...it might end up being a benefit to us if he develops/shows he can play there at international level.
From: Hallgrímsson sees Collins midfield experiment continuing

He’s usually the most forward of the centre backs and, when we’re dominating play, will free Nørgaard to move further up the midfield to be more joining up the attack which, in turn, allows Damsgaard more attacking freedom.