New Manager Poll

[SmiffyBee]

Please ask your question/s through BIAS

You of all people should know this.

Are you reading my e-mails !

 

[Brian]

I dont understand why everybody does't think the new manager (whoever he is) wont be able or want to work with Nicky & will insist on bringing in their own staff, iirc when Butcher was appointed he had never met Andy as he was also appointed by the board ( I know this failed miserably but it could have worked)

 

[wanderer paul]

Are you reading my e-mails !

I have just read your email. You are sick :grey:

I hope nobody else gets to read it..................

 

[abee]

Mr abee,
thanks for this information.
Will the criteria, including the capabilities, qualifications and philosophy needed in the new manager be published on the O/S after the meeting ?

SB x

I think I can safely say.......almost certainly not.

 

[wayfarer172]

Dear Mr Abee.
As far as I am concerned you are doing a great job (Creep Creep). The point is negotiations of any sort including player transfers have to be kept confidential, especially if they are sought after. The same goes with managers too. It aint like the old days (no ****ing agents screwing the game for all they could get). NF and MW have managed to steady the ship so to speak after AS and TB hit a storm. It's going to be a hard decision for the board I know,but I have every confidence you will get it right. Good Luck.

 

[toeneebee]

So the only fans that know what's going on are those that read the GPG and have time to sift through 1,200+ posts in this thread!

Of course not I skip read to the bits that are important to me & the club. I dare say there's lots I've missed but who we appoint as our next manager is something I am watching with anticipation, much the same as you are my friend!!

 

[toeneebee]

I think your find that from previous posts Abee has confirmed that the interviewing starts from today the 16th.

My opologies Abee I have misread your previous post and assumed interviewing was taking place from today onwards

 

[eaglebee]

I can’t understand some posts with regards to wanting to speed up a new managers appointment, why the urgency? proper recruitment takes time, and that’s what we have at the moment with NF & MW steadying the ship, 10 points off 6th place and 4 points away from 21st (with games in hand) I would hardly call it “panic time”, if we were on the bottom and 10 points adrift that would be the time to panic, Remember the board have to get it right for the sake of BFC, and therefore have put their trust in NF & MW to continue the good work whilst this procedure is in hand, therefore the due process will be fairly long and drawn out, the length of time taken so far shows that a lot of thought will obviously go into the selection of a new manager, and that can only be a good thing, however, regardless of who they choose it will not be to everybody’s taste on here, and no doubt they will let us all know what they think, but hey, that’s football.

 

[SmiffyBee]

I think I can safely say.......almost certainly not.

a few days after then ?

It would be interesting to note what type of manager / management structure the BFC board are seeking.

My money is on an Adie Boothroyd - direct link to the academy - type of manager, but I am not brave enough to put any dough on it.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

My money is on an Adie Boothroyd - direct link to the academy - type of manager, but I am not brave enough to put any dough on it.

What a great idea.
Hoofed his way to the Premiership and then back out, did nowt with a big Colchester budget and currently hoofing Cov towards relegation. All this plus 400k compensation makes him the perfect man.

I did know you were joking by the way

 

[Markybee]

I dont understand why everybody does't think the new manager (whoever he is) wont be able or want to work with Nicky & will insist on bringing in their own staff, iirc when Butcher was appointed he had never met Andy as he was also appointed by the board ( I know this failed miserably but it could have worked)

I think you just answered the problem Brian. It doesn't often work.

 

[King Bee]

For what it is worth, I do like the continental director of football structure with a head coach underneath dealing with the day to day coaching stuff. Would love to see Coppell back in a DoF position. Nicky mentioned in his first interview as interim manager that Coppell was the one manager he had a lot of time for. Whether Nicky takes on the mantle as head coach is a different matter. He hasn't done any harm to his prospects. That said bringing someone in like Hughton (or of that ilk) as head coach with NF and MW working alongside him to ensure continuity would be an impressive stamp I think.

I would expect the DoF position to be responsible for all football matters at the club. This means Ose will need to directly report to them, ensuring the DoF is brought up to speed with all matters concerning youth development, so that they and Ose can identify potential talent coming through, notifying the relevant first team coaches at every stage of their development, thus ensuring a pathway to first team football. I see the DoF position almost divorced from the success on the football pitch, the buck for the first team's performance stopping with the head coach. The DoF will be assessed on long-term targets (e.g. a 5 year plan based on ensuring championship football, delivery of a sucessful youth development programme with players of resale value etcs; indeed, if the head coach fails, it will be the DoF's responsibility to find a new one). That way the position ensures some level of long-term continuity at BFC so that the club doesn't have to go through the same destabilising process of dismantling its coaching structure every time there is a management change.

Anyways, those are my thoughts.

 

[vcmazz]

abee, should my application be successful, will I be allowed to appoint my own assistant or would you rather I made use of this Warburton chappie?

 

[abee]

abee, should my application be successful, will I be allowed to appoint my own assistant or would you rather I made use of this Warburton chappie?

I've already got Sweepy earmarked for you.

 

[vcmazz]

I've already got Sweepy earmarked for you.

lol

 

[SmiffyBee]

What a great idea.
Hoofed his way to the Premiership and then back out, did nowt with a big Colchester budget and currently hoofing Cov towards relegation. All this plus 400k compensation makes him the perfect man.

I did know you were joking by the way

I didn't mean Boothroyd himself, hence the phrase "type of manager"......at the meeting tonight, can you express the fans dismay or joy at something or everything....thanks voice of the people

SB x

 

[Bigbee]

For what it is worth, I do like the continental director of football structure with a head coach underneath dealing with the day to day coaching stuff. Would love to see Coppell back in a DoF position. Nicky mentioned in his first interview as interim manager that Coppell was the one manager he had a lot of time for. Whether Nicky takes on the mantle as head coach is a different matter. He hasn't done any harm to his prospects. That said bringing someone in like Hughton (or of that ilk) as head coach with NF and MW working alongside him to ensure continuity would be an impressive stamp I think.

I would expect the DoF position to be responsible for all football matters at the club. This means Ose will need to directly report to them, ensuring the DoF is brought up to speed with all matters concerning youth development, so that they and Ose can identify potential talent coming through, notifying the relevant first team coaches at every stage of their development, thus ensuring a pathway to first team football. I see the DoF position almost divorced from the success on the football pitch, the buck for the first team's performance stopping with the head coach. The DoF will be assessed on long-term targets (e.g. a 5 year plan based on ensuring championship football, delivery of a sucessful youth development programme with players of resale value etcs; indeed, if the head coach fails, it will be the DoF's responsibility to find a new one). That way the position ensures some level of long-term continuity at BFC so that the club doesn't have to go through the same destabilising process of dismantling its coaching structure every time there is a management change.

Anyways, those are my thoughts.

I think a DoF is probably hard to justify financially in our league ? Maybe Nicky could become head coach and some one else is employed part time to liaise with NS and other clubs for possible signings etc ??

 

[vcmazz]

I think a DoF is probably hard to justify financially in our league ?

I think it's hard to justify in any league. It's just a title given to a bloke who's too old to understand football anymore but the club hasn't got the heart to sack, isn't it? :shrug:

 

[SmiffyBee]

I think a DoF is probably hard to justify financially in our league ? Maybe Nicky could become head coach and some one else is employed part time to liaise with NS and other clubs for possible signings etc ??

Is it conceivable that Andrew Mills could fill in as D of F ?

 

[The Pipe]

I think it's hard to justify in any league. It's just a title given to a bloke who's too old to understand football anymore but the club hasn't got the heart to sack, isn't it? :shrug:

Sure Perryman at Exeter would love your description!!!

I think people are talking about a Director of football as they have been impressed with the way Forster has gone about his business and his general demeanour, certainly it is clear that the way he wants his teams to play football is popular with the vast majority, still some people calling for hoof ball tactics at MK Dons however think they are notably in the minority.

The concern in appointing him full time is his lack of experience although as we have seen others have taken on the mantle at different clubs and done very well, by appointing a Director of football, and my view is that this can be a part time position, it would give Nickey a sounding board of someone with considerable experience, someone to turn to for advice should results be not going our way. Whether the board are even giving this consideration I have no idea but it is certainly an idea to consider.

Hopefully at the meeting to discuss KPI,s the board will be looking at the following;-
League position regular improvement
Playing squad, improving at each transfer window
Relationship and development of youth squad
Attractivness of product on the pitch as this will impinge on gate receipts
Style of football that can be applied to each sector, eg 1st team, reserves youth so transfers from squad to squad are seamless
Cup runs, difficult but beleive 3rd round FA cup should be a standard
Ability to communicate with fans and relate to same.

Overall difficult to find someone who can carry out all the above, however we need to be a progressive club and see no reason why we should not declare our minimum standards from the outset and make it clear that these KPI,s will be reviewed on a monthly basis with failure to acheive, like all the rest of us, effecting our long term and monetary future.

 

[horshambees]

I think it's hard to justify in any league. It's just a title given to a bloke who's too old to understand football anymore but the club hasn't got the heart to sack, isn't it? :shrug:

Its a glorified assistant manager in a way,can work in some cases,wont work in others.The bloke ? you thinking Barry Fry per chance,seems to fit your description.A good DoF can be worth their weight in gold a bad one could skint a club.im 50/50 on it meself

 

[sonofabee]

Do you know what is really hacking me off is the typical lack of communication form the club!!!! I mean if NF is temporary and theyre searching for a new manger then tell us, if NF has got 4 games or whatever to prove himself tell us. Its bo11ox really as AS was sacked nearly 2 weeks ago and theyre has not been anything from them since!!!

They told us they were drawing up shortlist and KPI's that would be agreed next Monday? What more do they need to tell us?

 

[sonofabee]

I'll try and 'unhack' you off then. I thought that the process had been fairly well documented both on here and the official website. The position is that Nicky Forster and Mark Warburton agreed at the request of the board to assume the interim management of 1st team affairs whilst the board progresses the appointment of a new management team. Interviewing does not start today and if I've ever written that it does then if someone can reference for me I'll correct. The BFC board meets this afternoon to agree the processes and timetable for appointing a new team manager and most importantly the capabilities, qualifications and philosophy deemed essential. Once these parameters are established then the process will begin.

I note your comment about 'typical lack of communication from the Club' which I believe to be unfair. I'm not sure what exactly you expected us to say other than what is already in the public arena. I would gently suggest to you that Brentford supporters know more about how we are going about it than most other clubs would be communicating to their supporters. I believe that this is probably the most important decision that the board has to make in recent history and of course I'm sorry that we're not moving fast enough for you.

abee,

I don't think you need to bother replying to one unhappy, uninformed individual. Without blowing smoke up yer jacksy, I think it's fair to say that on this occasion, the communication re the selection process and timimngs for a new manager has been very good, even if I got the dates wrong! I'd rather you take your time and get it right while we have appear to a very safe pair of hands minding days to day issues and gathering invaluable experience for him and delivering a great brand experience for us.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

abee,

I don't think you need to bother replying to one unhappy, uninformed individual. Without blowing smoke up yer jacksy, I think it's fair to say that on this occasion, the communication re the selection process and timimngs for a new manager has been very good, even if I got the dates wrong! I'd rather you take your time and get it right while we have appear to a very safe pair of hands minding days to day issues and gathering invaluable experience for him and delivering a great brand experience for us.

May I second that. I think that the board has been very good in keepiing us informed in this instance. NF has enabled them to take the time to make a well thought out approach and we should leave them alone to do just that. however that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a bit of harmless fun speculating on who it is going to be.

 

[Markybee]

I've already got Sweepy earmarked for you.

with NB as DOF that's a pretty strong team :grey:

 

[malvernbee]

Fair play to abee & rebus for keeping us lowlife informed. Can I just ask for a simple Yes or No answer as to who's the next manager. Should I be lumping on NF at 1/3. I need the cash quick so an answer straight after the board meeting please.

 

[vcmazz]

Fair play to abee & rebus for keeping us lowlife informed. Can I just ask for a simple Yes or No answer as to who's the next manager. Should I be lumping on NF at 1/3. I need the cash quick so an answer straight after the board meeting please.

I can't find myself on Sporting Life. Does anyone know my odds at the moment? :shrug:

 

[toeneebee]

I can't find myself on Sporting Life. Does anyone know my odds at the moment? :shrug:

Is your real name AN Other? If it is then you have 4.05% of a chance

 

[vcmazz]

Is your real name AN Other? If it is then you have 4.05% of a chance

In which case, get your money on me a bit sharpish malvernbee. Those odds are going to change dramatically when abee receives my Premier Manager 98 memory card :yes:.

 

[blunstone]

come on bfc board - give nicky the job 'til the end of the season!

 

[scruff puppy pup]

I can't find myself on Sporting Life. Does anyone know my odds at the moment? :shrug:

33-1, 4:15 at Uttoxeter this Saturday

 

[sonofabee]

come on bfc board - give nicky the job 'til the end of the season!

Everything is ticking along nicely, why rush to appoint him for the rest of the season just yet? He's happy with current arrangement, the players seem to be, the football so far is on the up, let it ride and see what happens

 

[mattbee85]

I suppose you want the club to confirm after every game Forster is still in temporary charge

Maybe im wrong but it seems 2 weeks have passed and apart from on here where does it tell us what is going on??

 

[BYFLEET BEE]

Can Abee tell us how many candidates have officially applied for the vacant possition so far and are we now passed the closing date for future applicants.

 

[hatfieldbee]

Maybe im wrong but it seems 2 weeks have passed and apart from on here where does it tell us what is going on??

Check the OS for Andrew Mills very detailed explanation a week or two ago. If you went to the Plymouth game there was an extensive article in there also. Next question...

 

[vcmazz]

and are we now passed the closing date for future applicants.

And if so/not, how would a future applicant know?

 

[BYFLEET BEE]

And if so/not, how would a future applicant know?

Ok then ,is there a closing date for the position

 

[Bigbee]

. Does anyone know my odds at the moment? :shrug:

Child like balls ,penis like a vagina , five fingers on one hand three on the other two , velcro fastening shoes ? Am I close ?

 

[vcmazz]

Child like balls ,penis like a vagina , five fingers on one hand three on the other two , velcro fastening shoes ? Am I close ?

Wrong I'm afraid . But three out of four ain't bad :shrug:.

 

[Bungy Bee]

Can Abee tell us how many candidates have officially applied for the vacant possition so far and are we now passed the closing date for future applicants.

Over 40 people applied I believe.....this was in the first 2 days as well.....YOU REDS....

 

[horshambees]

Maybe im wrong but it seems 2 weeks have passed and apart from on here where does it tell us what is going on??

Patience young man patience.Tis all in good hands.

 

[Stormbee]

They will take ages as usual then make the wrong appointment i bet. Look how long we took before appointing Fitz and Leroy. They take ages so they hope we forget and then they can just put in the cheap option. Nicky is doing great in the interim but thats all it is. results were bound to be better once Scotts shackles were off and players are playing for their futures. I just wish they would decide either way sooner rather than later, I mean its not as if they know nothing about the people applying.

 

[thenightfly]

Quick Q - the Next Manager thread is now inaccurate given most users would have voted early days? I can't believe just over 8% would have voted for Forster now (at least 'til end of season). More like, say, 40-60%?

 

[Kingston Bee]

They will take ages as usual then make the wrong appointment i bet. Look how long we took before appointing Fitz and Leroy. They take ages so they hope we forget and then they can just put in the cheap option. Nicky is doing great in the interim but thats all it is. results were bound to be better once Scotts shackles were off and players are playing for their futures. I just wish they would decide either way sooner rather than later, I mean its not as if they know nothing about the people applying.

Ye of little faith. We can all quote instances in the past that have not been handled as well as they could have been, but I think most on here would agree that the next appointment is critical to taking the club forward. Generally in life when you are in this situation you tend to take a little more time to try and ensure the best outcome is reached, hence the delay. I dont see what the problem is, we have by the looks of it a great interim manager who is getting positive results and brought back some of the feel good factor that was missing under Scott, we have an off the field team who are dealing with the applications in a thorough and professional manner (not like some previous situations) and we have i think a more desirable club to manage than say 3-4 years ago which should attract a higher calibre of applicant. You have taken cynicism to a new level and need to look forward rather than entrench yourself in the past.

Who would be the correct appointment in your eyes then?

 

[wanderer paul]

They will take ages as usual then make the wrong appointment i bet. Look how long we took before appointing Fitz and Leroy. They take ages so they hope we forget and then they can just put in the cheap option. Nicky is doing great in the interim but thats all it is. results were bound to be better once Scotts shackles were off and players are playing for their futures. I just wish they would decide either way sooner rather than later, I mean its not as if they know nothing about the people applying.

Someone has 'a bee in their bonnet'!!

First prices to get in, then info on the OS and now the position of manager!

Relax, patience, the info is out there, you have directors posting on here with all the info you need. This is a big appointment. The correct decision has to be made. You might find all the CV's are from idiots, the one the club wants may be employed already or the right person is thinking over it already. I'm not too worried. NF has us playing well, he can bring in loanees and the place is brightening up again. I'm ok with the way it's being handled.

 

[McBee]

For me it's Gary Johnson still, but he could be too expensive.
Forster is doing great, but when we have a few bad results, which we will sooner or later, can he separate himself from being one of the lads and command that respect?
I'd imagine Forster to be cheap though.

But as we have some money to spend, I think we should spend it on a proven manager rather than a risk.
Gary Johnson.

 

[GEOFFBEE]

Quick Q - the Next Manager thread is now inaccurate given most users would have voted early days? I can't believe just over 8% would have voted for Forster now (at least 'til end of season). More like, say, 40-60%?

I agree. I think it would be great if this could be updated. I reckon many supporters would have a different view now, for various reasons.

 

[wanderer paul]

For me it's Gary Johnson still, but he could be too expensive.
Forster is doing great, but when we have a few bad results, which we will sooner or later, can he separate himself from being one of the lads and command that respect?
I'd imagine Forster to be cheap though.

But as we have some money to spend, I think we should spend it on a proven manager rather than a risk.
Gary Johnson.

I doubt if NF is that much 'cheaper' than AS. GJ may want a good wedge but if he doesn't like the package offered then we're a good 'catch' IMO. The right manager will be appointed.

Love Brentford. Hate Fulham. Johnson OUT!!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Regarding re-setting the manager poll, we've now had two in the last two months I think. If we reset it and NF loses the next two games, should we reset it again? And again? What names would we now put in the poll - Martin Allen - in or out for example? Personally, I think it's best to remove a poll completely as it seems that many don't have the courage of their convictions when they vote.

 

[Low End Bee]

Regarding re-setting the manager poll, we've now had two in the last two months I think. If we reset it and NF loses the next two games, should we reset it again? And again? What names would we now put in the poll - Martin Allen - in or out for example? Personally, I think it's best to remove a poll completely as it seems that many don't have the courage of their convictions when they vote.

Bin the poll and lets get back to discussing the merits of a secondhand car salesman getting the job or not.