Operation Promotion

[vcmazz]

It'll come down to the last game of the season against Donny I bet. Hope i'm wrong though!

In my opinion, you're kind of right. But I reckon it will come down to beating Donny to make the playoffs but hey, we'd have taken that at the start of the season :shrug:.

The top ten teams (at least) are fighting for the top six places. Two or three of them will pull away soon and be fighting for the auto spots. I reckon our players are good enough, but show no signs of being consistent enough. I reckon the top three will be Donny, Sheffield United and Tranmere (as it is now). Somebody always sprints in to the playoffs at the last minute from behind and Coventry and Walsall are the ones to watch for me - I reckon at least one of those will make it. That leaves an awful lot of competition for the last two spaces - Swindon, Yeovil, Bournemouth, us, possibly even Notts County and Crewe need to be watched - they're not out of it yet.

Just being realistic like, but let's hope I'm wrong and that we're one of the two or three that starts to pull away. But we need to continue where we left off on Tuesday and go on a decent winning streak of five or six games now. No more room for draws or defeats against mid-table bus parkers or relegation fodder .

 

[super J]

I think it might be a very low points total for 2nd place this season, 82-83 could be enough with teams beating each other and top teams form varying week in week out.

Didn't we finish 3rd in 05/06 with 76 points?

 

[mattfarr89]

It will be very close, depending on who can pull away. There appear to be about 11 games where the top 7 alone are playing one another. Bournemouth appear to (on paper) have an easier run in. Donny & Tranny have 4 of their remaining games against top 7 clubs, us, Sheff & Swindon have 3. They are the big ones to win, but we HAVE to win games like today as theres a right scrap down the bottom too. Realistically down to 9th can sneak in i'd say.

 

[Bigbee]

It will be very close, depending on who can pull away. There appear to be about 11 games where the top 7 alone are playing one another. Bournemouth appear to (on paper) have an easier run in. Donny & Tranny have 4 of their remaining games against top 7 clubs, us, Sheff & Swindon have 3. They are the big ones to win, but we HAVE to win games like today as theres a right scrap down the bottom too. Realistically down to 9th can sneak in i'd say.

To be honest if we dont win games like today we dont really deserve it do we ?

 

[Ruislip_Rich]

The next 3 games are key. 9 points then it will be us pulling away. Doncaster next 3 after today are very winnable. Still think it will be us and Bournemouth top two.
COYR

 

[badgerbee]

To be honest if we dont win games like today we dont really deserve it do we ?

So long as come the end of the season we've got the required amount of points needed for either automatic or play-offs.....................then we deserve it..........

Having seen Tranmere, Sheff Utd, Yeovil, Notts County, Doncaster, Swindon and Bournemouth all in first place at some time this year I'd love it if the only time we're top all season is at 5:00pm on Sat 27th April!!!!!!!

YOU REDSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

 

[vcmazz]

To be honest if we dont win games like today we dont really deserve it do we ?

Nope :shrug:.

 

[steve.bees89]

In my opinion, you're kind of right. But I reckon it will come down to beating Donny to make the playoffs but hey, we'd have taken that at the start of the season :shrug:.

The top ten teams (at least) are fighting for the top six places. Two or three of them will pull away soon and be fighting for the auto spots. I reckon our players are good enough, but show no signs of being consistent enough. I reckon the top three will be Donny, Sheffield United and Tranmere (as it is now). Somebody always sprints in to the playoffs at the last minute from behind and Coventry and Walsall are the ones to watch for me - I reckon at least one of those will make it. That leaves an awful lot of competition for the last two spaces - Swindon, Yeovil, Bournemouth, us, possibly even Notts County and Crewe need to be watched - they're not out of it yet.

Just being realistic like, but let's hope I'm wrong and that we're one of the two or three that starts to pull away. But we need to continue where we left off on Tuesday and go on a decent winning streak of five or six games now. No more room for draws or defeats against mid-table bus parkers or relegation fodder .

Good post

 

[GP200]

................three more points...............

 

[super J]

12 games left, 7 wins, 3 draws and 2 defeats= 85 points. I think that will be enough.

 

[vcmazz]

12 games left, 7 wins, 3 draws and 2 defeats= 85 points. I think that will be enough.

It is also very optimistic if you don't mind me saying. But you never know .

 

[super J]

Of cours it is, I was saying its an example of what we need to do.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

12 games left, 7 wins, 3 draws and 2 defeats= 85 points. I think that will be enough.

I agree 85 points could very well be enough. However also may depend upon our results against our main competitors including Swindon Sheffield United and end of season Doncaster

 

[taylor339]

We just have to take each game as it comes - a wins a win and next stop Stevenage. Who knows what will happen in the next 7 days, Bournemouth have slipped up recently (thank you Charlie Mac!) whilst Walsall look on a storming run recently. Interesting times!

 

[Frankenstein Bee]

At this stage of the season it is all about substance over style,it points not performance that counts.It is brave for anyone to calculate the points total for the rest of the season as it is known that at this stage odd results start cropping up with the top teams getting nervous and the teams near the bottom scrapping for points , just look at Hartlepool over the last few weeks(apart from today).If Brentford continue to grind out results like today that will do for me.

 

[mhead bee]

Well, I don't think we have been firing on all cylinders since before xmas and if we take the points total from the last 12 games it = 20.
If we do the same for the next 12 games we will finish the season with 81 points.

We have gained 7 from 9 so we need to do a yeovil or Bournemouth type run and winthe next 3-4 and then let momentum take over.

IMO we need to see BWP hit the net, his goals could be the difference. SU picked up Kitson and he has started to score vital goals, on paper BWR looks to be equally if not a better coup for the run in, we need to make the most of him pretty damn quick as he has failed to look like scoring in 3 games (although has played well it is the goals we need).

 

[hypa123]

It is also very optimistic if you don't mind me saying. But you never know .

That's just an average of two points a game, which is what we achieved for the whole of the first half of the season apart from the first two games.

It also matters who the wins are against - a win against Sheffield United, for example, would count for rather more than a win against Carlisle.

 

[hypa123]

Reckon it'll come down to a penalty in the last minute against Doncaster.

 

[fencer/bee]

Reckon it'll come down to a penalty in the last minute against Doncaster.

Step up CLAYTON

 

[mhead bee]

Reckon it'll come down to a penalty in the last minute against Doncaster.

Oh great
So we can miss another one.

We should have let BWP take the one last week as it would have got him going for us and also we would have won more comfortably.

 

[fencer/bee]

Oh great
So we can miss another one.

We should have let BWP take the one last week as it would have got him going for us and also we would have won more comfortably.

I think BWP or Harry will take the next, the lads wanted clayton to take that one, it wasnt to be, but got to parade the t-shirt anyway.

 

[jlove]

Step up CLAYTON

I'd vote for him taking the 11th penalty in a shoot out!

 

[Bigbee]

I think BWP or Harry will take the next, the lads wanted clayton to take that one, it wasnt to be, but got to parade the t-shirt anyway.

Oh of course ,they knew what Clayton had under his shirt . It would of been funny if he had revealed his message after the ball had gone wide of the post. Maybe his mum hated him scoring from penalties.

 

[kevalutonbee]

You're all assuming it will be a pen to us. It will be a pen against us and if Simon saves it we go up. He does, we do

 

[marvelous007]

Hopefully we get four points from our next two away games (stevenage and Carlisle) and if doncaster slip up at mk, it would make next Tuesdays home game against Swindon very interesting indeed.

 

[jlove]

Hopefully we will get six points... Tuesday will be one of the very few occasions when "my other team" will be MK Dongs!

 

[marvelous007]

Hopefully we will get six points... Tuesday will be one of the very few occasions when "my other team" will be MK Dongs!

i agree, it would be marvelous if we did get six points.

 

[grutter]

Predictions for remaining games

Points from remaining fixtures - will 85 do it?

Ok, hypothetical I know, but here's my estimate of the points we'll get from the rest of our games. I think 85 points will do it for 2nd place. Knock yourselves out and shoot me down in flames!

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 3
Swindon (H) - 1
Preston (H) - 3
Sheff Utd (A) - 0
Notts Co (H) - 1
MK Dons (A) - 0
Coventry (A) - 1
Crewe (A) - 3
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) -3

I see a dodgy run at the back end of March and beginning of April, but we pull it together for the last 4 games. 2 out of the last 3 will be against teams already down and we rise to the challenge to scrape into 2nd place over Donny!

 

[scruff puppy pup]

MK Dons away null points?
Don't believe it!

 

[Artixbee]

Points from remaining fixtures - will 85 do it?

Ok, hypothetical I know, but here's my estimate of the points we'll get from the rest of our games. I think 85 points will do it for 2nd place. Knock yourselves out and shoot me down in flames!

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 3
Swindon (H) - 1
Preston (H) - 3
Sheff Utd (A) - 0
Notts Co (H) - 1
MK Dons (A) - 0
Coventry (A) - 1
Crewe (A) - 3
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) -3

I see a dodgy run at the back end of March and beginning of April, but we pull it together for the last 4 games. 2 out of the last 3 will be against teams already down and we rise to the challenge to scrape into 2nd place over Donny!

I have a more conservative perdeiction I'm afraid.

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 1
Swindon (H) - 1
Preston (H) - 0
Sheff Utd (A) - 0
Notts Country (H) - 3
MK Dons (A) - 1
Coventry (A) - 3
Crewe (A) - 1
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) - 1

This would leave us on 81 points. This seems a realistic outcome, rather than overly negative. (I have predicted only 2 losses oout of our last 12, and we do tend to draw a few). This would mean we would end up around 4th and into the play off lottery.

Here's to hoping I've underestimated our end to the season

 

[KD]

I have a more conservative perdeiction I'm afraid.

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 1
Swindon (H) - 1
Preston (H) - 0
Sheff Utd (A) - 0
Notts Country (H) - 3
MK Dons (A) - 1
Coventry (A) - 3
Crewe (A) - 1
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) - 1

This would leave us on 81 points. This seems a realistic outcome, rather than overly negative. (I have predicted only 2 losses oout of our last 12, and we do tend to draw a few). This would mean we would end up around 4th and into the play off lottery.

Here's to hoping I've underestimated our end to the season

Looks about right if a tad pessimistic.

Think our starting point for the calculation has to be will our form for the last 12 games be better, worse or about the same as the rest of the season? If about the same it brings us in at around 82 points and the playoffs. Looking at the spread of teams still to face that seems a fair assumption.

If we are going to do better then we have to assume that new and returning players make a positive difference to form - maybe. Or our start of the season team shifts up a couple of gears as they have lots left in the tank - maybe. Or some of the teams around us implode - maybe.

Our best chance is to continue this new run we are on, can we keep it going for another 6 games? If so, I'm hopeful the momentum will get us over the line. If not, and we lose a couple in the next 6, then I become more pessimistic.

All to play for. COYR.

 

[Banana]

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 3
Swindon (H) - 3
Preston (H) - 3
Sheff Utd (A) - 3
Notts Country (H) - 3
MK Dons (A) - 3
Coventry (A) - 3
Crewe (A) - 3
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) - 4

No problem.

 

[beebopalula]

I love all this. Have any of the posters won the football pools?

 

[super J]

Stevenage-Win
Carlisle-Draw
Swindon-Lose
Preston-Draw
Sheffield Utd-Lose
Notts County-Win
MK Dons-Win
Coventry-Draw
Crewe- Draw
Portsmouth-Win
Hartlepool-Win
Doncaster-Draw

81 points

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Stevenage-Win
Carlisle-Draw
Swindon-Lose
Preston-Draw
Sheffield Utd-Lose
Notts County-Win
MK Dons-Win
Coventry-Draw
Crewe- Draw
Portsmouth-Win
Hartlepool-Win
Doncaster-Draw

81 points

Tend to agree with most of above forecasts but think can beat crewe which would then probably mean we have to win last game of seasOn against Doncaster to go up. Question will be then what position are Doncaster in then

 

[bostonhanwell]

Very difficult to predict the outcome of this season. A simple calculation makes it look like around the 85 point mark may be enough but it is always possible that 2 teams could put a really good run together (probably Doncaster and Sheff Utd) and we could easily need close to 90 points as the title of the thread originally predicts.

If we manage to win our game in hand on Tuesday night we would be right up there and at least it is in our hands. I think we are good enough but we will certainly need to recapture our best form as we have only been firing on 3 cylinders recently.

It promises to be an exciting/nerve shredding run in.

 

[whyteleafebee76]

Have a horrible/nervous feeling that the Doncaster game is going to have something riding on it bit like the Reading game in 2001/2 but this time with a better ending. Hopefully the only thing riding on the game is whether we go up as champions or in 2nd place!

 

[bostonhanwell]

Have a horrible/nervous feeling that the Doncaster game is going to have something riding on it bit like the Reading game in 2001/2 but this time with a better ending. Hopefully the only thing riding on the game is whether we go up as champions or in 2nd place!

It' bound to go to the wire. It always does, we never do it the easy way.

 

[Bill Benn]

Stevenage (A) - 3
Carlisle (A) - 3
Swindon (H) - 3
Preston (H) - 3
Sheff Utd (A) - 3
Notts Country (H) - 3
MK Dons (A) - 3
Coventry (A) - 3
Crewe (A) - 3
Portsmouth (H) - 3
Hartlepool (A) - 3
Doncaster (H) - 4

No problem.

Stupid boy

 

[The Pipe]

Can't be bothered to do the calculations however are we taking into consideration the fact that a number of teams around us will be playing each other which could effect the number of points we need to accumulate

All we can do is keep our fingers crossed and enjoy the ride 3 points on Tuesday will help!! !!!

 

[Big Seb]

I don't think our lads like the cold weather, now the weather is on the turn I see an uplift in form, at least as spectators we wont be disappointed and frozen if the form doesn't improve.

 

[Nada Bee]

25 needed from 12 games if my prediction is right.

Win tomorrow night is vital, it'll somehow bring us back to 2 points a game needed scenario.

 

[westwing]

7 Wins, 3 Draws, 2 defeats should see us get 2nd spot.

1st win tomorrow !!

 

[Ealing Bee]

7 Wins, 3 Draws, 2 defeats should see us get 2nd spot.

1st win tomorrow !!

When you put it like that, it's simple*.

I suspect the important thing may be not to get the two defeats in our next five or six games, since that would really pile the pressure on us for the final six or seven games.

Whereas if we can just go undefeated until, say, Coventry, then we could even be in the top two, with a wee cushion between us and the chasing pack, which would mean a subsequent defeat (or two) needn't throw us completely off our stride?


* - As in "straightforward", rather than "easy".

 

[Gee Bee]

Just take one game at a time and see where we are at with just Doncaster to go.

 

[jmsljj]

The last two sighnings show what direction we are going they have both improved our squad. With a lot of games coming up how many other teams have a squad as capable as ours. BWP is going to score goals Donaldson will have his usual burst Trotta has been close and it is only a matter of time. How many goals are we going to leak the defence is stronger now than it has been all season. Our midfield speaks for itself. Who in this league are better than us? I have not seen a better team and this team has just been improved. There is only one way to go, you know it , I know it, lets enjoy it. Beware Championship the Brentford monster has risen and is coming to get you. Believe this it is true.

 

[AB]

Have a horrible/nervous feeling that the Doncaster game is going to have something riding on it bit like the Reading game in 2001/2 but this time with a better ending. Hopefully the only thing riding on the game is whether we go up as champions or in 2nd place!

A lot to happen in between but I've long thought it might end up a rerun of our game at Cambridge in 1999 to clinch the D3 Championship.

 

[Infatuated Bees Alter Ego]

5 more wins from 8 and automatic promotion .. me thinks

Can we do it .. Yes

A - Sheff Utd
H - Notts County
A - MK Dons
A - Coventry
A - Crewe
H - Portsmouth
A - Hartlepool
H - Doncaster

Could someone kindly put one of those scripts up, where it has all the contenders and you can plot what results users think they will get .. We've had it up on here before, a few seasons back. :banana:

 

[badgerbee]

Can we do it .. Yes

A - Sheff Utd
H - Notts County
A - MK Dons
A - Coventry
A - Crewe
H - Portsmouth
A - Hartlepool
H - Doncaster

Could someone kindly put one of those scripts up, where it has all the contenders and you can plot what results users think they will get .. We've had it up on here before, a few seasons back. :banana:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_2/predictor/default.stm

 

[Swinedonbee]

Not getting carried away - take each game as it comes!!