Orient match reports

[sussexb]

My point was their can hardly be criticisms on the performance IMO, we outplayed them...

I agree. That was a really good performance all round in my opinion, and I'm sorry, but Hayes showed enough to mean that he will be a good player for us. If we'd had Farid up front from the start we'd have played longer and not dominated as much IMO. I thought the real mistake was to take Forshaw (who looks like a proper player) off instead of Dave.

I was impressed with Forrester, Douglas had a good game, Donaldson put in a great shift, and overall I feel pleased with our squad. Dean and Craig had chances from set pieces that they should have done much better with, CD should have done better with one towards the end, and Bidwell was below his standard, but other than that I am loath to criticise.

I am usually a pessimist/doom monger who despairs at the happy clappers on here, but tonight I'm the opposite. If we play like that for the rest of the season we'll be up there. And Hayes will come good.

 

[maddogging]

To all the people banging on about it coming together the unfortunate fact is we have not played any of the promotion favourites and struggled against at best very average teams who won't be in the top ten!!!!

But on the flip side you have no evidence to say we won't beat the top sides. Let's just wait till we play them hey

 

[TwickenhamBEE]

Lets all jump on the managers back after every defeat what a way to support the team, i thought we were really decent at times class apart from Orient they got lucky goal we couldn't get one, one of them days. People calling for UR to be sacked are just talking out there arses

 

[Nick Hester]

Who said German's don't have a sense of humour... 'Hayes was excellent' - trouble is Uwe I'm not laughing because you're managing my team and with comments like that you obviously don't have a clue...

 

[shouldbee]

Rosler is still making massive errors of judgement. OK we played them off the park first half and had 63% possesion, we had 10 shots to their 0 but I always felt we were going to lose the match ?.............We are in desperate need of a goalscorer, I have always supported Donaldson 100% and argued many times on here what a top quality player he is, but tonight I think I lost faith in him, he just doesn't look like a goalscorer to me. Farid may come good given time but Hayes looks like a second rate Gary Alexander. A 3 year lucrative contract I suspect ?. I can see Rosler's future on the line if we have too many more nights like tonight.............

 

[Balders Bee]

No need to start swearing, no idea why Farid left out but he has also missed some gilt edged chances this season.
I rate Farid but the forwards between them scored 1 from 22 chances on Saturday so understand why he changed things.

I apologise if my use of FFS offended you. I'm glad you can understand Uwe's decision because I can't and unfortuntely the evidence and Hayes performance tends to suggest it was the wrong one. How many of those 22 chances fell to Farid on Saturday and please remind me who won us the points in the 89th minute.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

My point was their can hardly be criticisms on the performance IMO, we outplayed them...

no argument from me there.....only criticisms from me are that the manager has the tactical nous of a blind hedgehog and he hasnt actually grasped what "excellent" actually means in english....anyone who can describe hayes performance as excellent must be needing a new german to english dictionary......id buy him one for xmas but i got a sneaky suspicion it wont be needed by then

 

[Nick Hester]

I agree. That was a really good performance all round in my opinion, and I'm sorry, but Hayes showed enough to mean that he will be a good player for us. .

F*** Me I give up. Nite all.

 

[Balders Bee]

But on the flip side you have no evidence to say we won't beat the top sides. Let's just wait till we play them hey

Plenty of evidence from last season though if you care to make that argument. I will as you say however reserve judgement until we do play the so called better sides.

 

[big neil]

On the plus side, the pints of Red Fox in The Black Horse Greenford were nice...

 

[sussexb]

I understand if people's concerns are that we aren't taking chances we create but you only need to look at the crewe game to see that we CAN do it. Bags of games left. I just don't understand how after that people can criticise the performance at all...

That was daylight robbery, with an offside goal that was their only shot on target. And rowlands as MOTM??? WTF? We watched it with the sound off in the pub we were in on the IOW, so if anyone can explain the reasoning behind it, I'd be grateful...

 

[Basil Brush]

As much possession as we had there were no clear cut chances and no service for the strikers - the only crosses I remember were when Logan got forward. The longer the game went on tapping the ball about getting no where I knew what was coming. Makes me my blood boil losing to that shower of east london sh!t.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Not trying to be funny, I may have missed something but why wouldn't Farid be fit enough? I was a bit puzzled when Uwe said about the games coming up, and hinted he was basically rested. Its september ffs and they're professional footballers!

I think the point is that there is a great deal of difference between the fitness levels in the Scottish First Division and League 1 and it will take Farid time to raise his fitness level to what's required to play games that regularly at this level.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

I understand if people's concerns are that we aren't taking chances we create but you only need to look at the crewe game to see that we CAN do it. Bags of games left. I just don't understand how after that people can criticise the performance at all...

Even crap teams let off steam sometimes with a free-scoring performance. Problem is if you look at the other six competitive games we've played this season, they bear no resemblance to the Crewe match. The do look an awful lot like what was happening last season, though: an inability to put that round thing in the back of the net. 8 points from six league matches after playing mostly mediocre to poor division one sides is not a good omen.

 

[sonofabee]

Donaldson lob and Hayes air kick from Forresters pull back were the two

Donaldsons cracking volley well saved by keeper, Harrys' powerful shot saved low by keeper. Harlees blast over the bar from the corner, Craigs header, Harry free kick, Jake free kick to name a few. All chances that on another day might have gone in.

On a positive note thought the back four looked solid again including Craig, Douglas had a cracking game, Adam in and out but needs to play in the centre for me and Harry took
his chance to start well.

Sorry but can't agree with all the negatives and criticism of starting line up. Hacked off with result but not the performance.

 

[SCARFER]

That was daylight robbery, with an offside goal that was their only shot on target. And rowlands as MOTM??? WTF? We watched it with the sound off in the pub we were in on the IOW, so if anyone can explain the reasoning behind it, I'd be grateful...

Think Andy Scott chose it!!

 

[big neil]

That was daylight robbery, with an offside goal that was their only shot on target. And rowlands as MOTM??? WTF? We watched it with the sound off in the pub we were in on the IOW, so if anyone can explain the reasoning behind it, I'd be grateful...

MOTM??
He barely touched the ball the little c**t...
..and as for Lee "Fatface" Cook he was diabolical.

 

[Owlsmoor_Bee]

Donaldsons cracking volley well saved by keeper, Harrys' powerful shot saved low by keeper. Harlees blast over the bar from the corner, Craigs header, Harry free kick, Jake free kick to name a few. All chances that on another day might have gone in.

On a positive note thought the back four looked solid again including Craig, Douglas had a cracking game, Adam in and out but needs to play in the centre for me and Harry took
his chance to start well.

Sorry but can't agree with all the negatives and criticism of starting line up. Hacked off with result but not the performance.

They're chances, but they're not the guilt edge chances we've missed in previous games. Perhaps the biggest disappointment for me was that we didn't manage to create enough of those sorts of chances, despite our dominance.

 

[magicbees]

I think the point is that there is a great deal of difference between the fitness levels in the Scottish First Division and League 1 and it will take Farid time to raise his fitness level to what's required to play games that regularly at this level.

Maybe your right, but half the crowd were as fit as Hayes.

 

[Balders Bee]

I think the point is that there is a great deal of difference between the fitness levels in the Scottish First Division and League 1 and it will take Farid time to raise his fitness level to what's required to play games that regularly at this level.

There is a certain amount of irony though when we are suggesting Farid's fitness as the reason he was 'rested' when his replacement Hayes didn't exactly look match fit and was blowing out of his arse very early into the second half.

 

[Kettering Bee]

oh no one defeat despite outplaying the opposition so lets sack the manager no doubt this thread will be full of the usual sh*t spouted on this board everytime we dare to lose a game

You know we will continue to have this debate, which will mean that we end up mid-table. And that, I'm afraid, ain't good enough.

 

[SCARFER]

I think the point is that there is a great deal of difference between the fitness levels in the Scottish First Division and League 1 and it will take Farid time to raise his fitness level to what's required to play games that regularly at this level.

Fair enough, hopefully Hayes will be fit this side of christmas! He made Alexander look nimble!

 

[sussexb]

F*** Me I give up. Nite all.

:yawn:

 

[BFC1997]

Even crap teams let off steam sometimes with a free-scoring performance. Problem is if you look at the other six competitive games we've played this season, they bear no resemblance to the Crewe match. The do look an awful lot like what was happening last season, though: an inability to put that round thing in the back of the net. 8 points from six league matches after playing mostly mediocre to poor division one sides is not a good omen.

agree in part although for all the pretty play last year at times we couldn't create a clear opportunity... this season we are doing that more so just not putting them away... no difference mind you but IF Donaldson and Alagui can have a good goalscoring season then why can't we reach top six? today we should have an away point which I'm fine with... I'd be more upset but their goal was handball and offside so...

Things need to improve though but I believe they will, although I may be alone in thinking that...

 

[JTofBFC]

Will iit be like this every time we lose a game ? A further revelation . We will lose more games this season but the difference between this years defeat at Orent and last years on the virtually same date is tonight the overall play wasn't bad - pretty good in fact ,

We don't have the right strikers to get promoted thats a fact and maybe some of the Donaldson fan club will now start to smell the coffee. Hayes looked poor also we need much better up there and hopefully Rosler will realise this before it is his downfall.

There were positives tonight plenty of them , Forrester, Forshaw , Bidwell, Logan, Dean . Cheer up for gawds sake it's a defeat sh*t happens.

 

[Matty D]

Watched it in the pub. Went away feeling nowhere near as bad as I should have having watched us get no points from a game we bossed from kick off to final whistle. It was a terrible result, not denying that. Orient aren't the worst team in the division but they're mid-table at very optimistic best on that showing. We can't keep chucking away points to teams like them and get into the promotion mix. But… but… the football we played tonight was lovely, an absolute pleasure to watch. Forrester was sublime, Forshaw excellent, Dave and Douglas sprightly and intelligent, Logan a menace, and Hayes used the ball very well indeed. So why didn't we win?

Not enough clear chances created? Those that were missed? Good last-ditch defending from Orient? Bit of all three I think. For me watching on TV makes you expect higher levels of skill, and instinctively I thought Donaldson should have cushioned that chance for a chip over the keeper whithout too much fuss. Watching the replay it's bounced a bit higher than he would have liked when he arrives at it, don't know if that's because it took an awkward bounce or because he misjudged it. When the defender slipped in front of Hayes as he arrived onto Logan's cut-back it looked a goal all over. The defender's recovery to stick out a toe (and it was that little) and divert it over was superb, but… but… The chance that Hayes played into Donaldson on the angle - he worked the keeper well, would have had to pull something special out to score from there. The Dean header second half - did most of it right, over it, on target, but too close to the keeper. Only one goalkeeper had to do any work, but did he have to pull off any amazing stops? Not really.

By 60 mins they were always going to score if they had a shot on target. Pretty much all of their scorer was clear of the last man when the ball was chipped in, but it was borderline, and I didn't spot it in real time.

We do need a bit of pace injecting (that was why Farid was rotated imo, Rosler wanted to play a flat midfield 4, and a withdrawn striker away from home, and Hayes needs someone with a bit of pace to play through balls to). We bossed possession and have a lot of players who are comfortable on the ball even under pressure, but few players (apart from Logan) breaking beyond their man into space. Maybe Adyemi will add this, although on tonight it's hard to see who he'd replace as Forrester and Forshaw were excellent and Douglas and Dave had their best games I've seen for a while.

IMO we bossed the play more than we did in putting five past them last season, but for some reason that was never on the cards, even if a narrow win very much was. But then Saunders scored two direct free-kicks in that game, maybe he would have done better with those we had tonight. But then Forrester was so good you can't argue against him getting the nod. It's frustrating for sure.

 

[FlyBee]

oh no one defeat despite outplaying the opposition so lets sack the manager no doubt this thread will be full of the usual sh*t spouted on this board everytime we dare to lose a game

I thought we'd lost 2 now.

So because others disagree with you their views are "sh*t"? How very adult.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I'm frustrated too but we are hitting at some easy targets here and on the match day thread without just cause imo. Firstly, criticism of Craig today is nonsense. End of. His performance should pass no more comment than any of the more "popular" players. Hayes, as I understand it, did what he has always done. Clayton turned half chances into chances.

The reason, imo, we didn't win the game - and I hasten to add that not winning was bad play, losing was just plain misfortune - was in midfield. Forrester wasn't incisive enough whereas Dave, Douglas and Forshaw were pretty but ineffective. For a team that had something like 65% possession, we did not give our forwards enough to work on and that's where our efforts need to be concentrated. The person I probably most agree therefore is hanworthbee (and not for the first time).

I absolutely, unquestionably and whole heartedly believe that we are going to get it right this season. Sorry for the positivity.

 

[maddogging]

I think the point is that there is a great deal of difference between the fitness levels in the Scottish First Division and League 1 and it will take Farid time to raise his fitness level to what's required to play games that regularly at this level.

I agree but as ever we made the changes too late. Orient on the normal 60mins mark swapped it, we should have done it by the 70th min at the latest, but Uwe let it drift and it cost us

 

[tolcarne]

At least Scott showed he has a sense of humour giving Rowlands MOM knowing the outrage it would cause.. But after tonight enough of Diagouraga and douglass in the middle .. Forshaw should be the main central midfield -playmaker ( most skillfull /talented player at the club)with Saunders and forrester out wide.. El Alagui must star with Hayes & Donaldson as the alternatives

 

[ice]

Havin listened to the stick Uwe gets from the terrace and reading comments on here referring to his nationality I wonder if the anti brigade are more anti his nationality than anything else.
Personally think what I am watching is one hell of a lot better than the hit and hope of the last god knows how many seasons.
Hope it's not the case but have a feeling it is !!!!!

 

[Ken Richardson]

I have just spoken to 2 friends who watched the game, and both came back with the same story. Hayes is only good for 20 odd minuetes after that looks unfit, slow and contributed nothing. To Mr Rosler. either get it right or get out. Makes my year end prediction of 10th a bit over optimistic.

 

[sonofabee]

I apologise if my use of FFS offended you. I'm glad you can understand Uwe's decision because I can't and unfortuntely the evidence and Hayes performance tends to suggest it was the wrong one. How many of those 22 chances fell to Farid on Saturday and please remind me who won us the points in the 89th minute.

Why are you being so condescending?
Do you want me to reply I don't know who scored on Saturday. I wouldn't have left Farid on the bench for so
long, I wouldn't have started Hayes yet but given we only took 1/22 I understand why Uwe decided to change things. It didn't work, no idea why Uwe said that Hayes was excellent but better than slagging off players after a decent all round performance.

 

[sussexb]

Watched it in the pub. Went away feeling nowhere near as bad as I should have having watched us get no points from a game we bossed from kick off to final whistle. It was a terrible result, not denying that. Orient aren't the worst team in the division but they're mid-table at very optimistic best on that showing. We can't keep chucking away points to teams like them and get into the promotion mix. But… but… the football we played tonight was lovely, an absolute pleasure to watch. Forrester was sublime, Forshaw excellent, Dave and Douglas sprightly and intelligent, Logan a menace, and Hayes used the ball very well indeed. So why didn't we win?

Not enough clear chances created? Those that were missed? Good last-ditch defending from Orient? Bit of all three I think. For me watching on TV makes you expect higher levels of skill, and instinctively I thought Donaldson should have cushioned that chance for a chip over the keeper whithout too much fuss. Watching the replay it's bounced a bit higher than he would have liked when he arrives at it, don't know if that's because it took an awkward bounce or because he misjudged it. When the defender slipped in front of Hayes as he arrived onto Logan's cut-back it looked a goal all over. The defender's recovery to stick out a toe (and it was that little) and divert it over was superb, but… but… The chance that Hayes played into Donaldson on the angle - he worked the keeper well, would have had to pull something special out to score from there. The Dean header second half - did most of it right, over it, on target, but too close to the keeper. Only one goalkeeper had to do any work, but did he have to pull off any amazing stops? Not really.

By 60 mins they were always going to score if they had a shot on target. Pretty much all of their scorer was clear of the last man when the ball was chipped in, but it was borderline, and I didn't spot it in real time.

We do need a bit of pace injecting (that was why Farid was rotated imo, Rosler wanted to play a flat midfield 4, and a withdrawn striker away from home, and Hayes needs someone with a bit of pace to play through balls to). We bossed possession and have a lot of players who are comfortable on the ball even under pressure, but few players (apart from Logan) breaking beyond their man into space. Maybe Adyemi will add this, although on tonight it's hard to see who he'd replace as Forrester and Forshaw were excellent and Douglas and Dave had their best games I've seen for a while.

IMO we bossed the play more than we did in putting five past them last season, but for some reason that was never on the cards, even if a narrow win very much was. But then Saunders scored two direct free-kicks in that game, maybe he would have done better with those we had tonight. But then Forrester was so good you can't argue against him getting the nod. It's frustrating for sure.

Good post - although I think you're being a bit harsh on the lob. It wasn't Dickson for Wycombe territory... Other than that I agree with you totally. And direct free kicks or not, I'd have Forrester over Saunders every time on that performance tonight.

 

[maddogging]

Great post Matty D by the way.

Probably the biggest frustration is how good we looked at times which unfortunately means nothing when you lose

 

[Balders Bee]

I'm frustrated too but we are hitting at some easy targets here and on the match day thread without just cause imo. Firstly, criticism of Craig is nonsense. End of. Hayes, as I understand it, did what he has always does. Clayton turned half chances into chances.

The reason, imo, we didn't win the game - and I hasten to add that not winning was bad play, losing was just plain misfortune - was in midfield. Forrester wasn't incisive enough whereas Dave, Douglas and Forshaw were pretty but ineffective. For a team that had something like 65% possession, we did not give our forwards enough to work on and that's where our efforts need to be concentrated. The person I probably most agree therefore is hanworthbee (and not for the first time).

I do absolutely, unquestionably and whole heartedly believe that are going to get it right this season. Sorry for the positivity.

Sorry I cannot agree with your views of Craig. He looked lightweight, his booking was rash and on more than one occasion he lost out in physical challenges. He does not look a 150k centre half to me. Furthermore Forrester was by miles our most incisive player and the one who looked most likely to create something for us.

 

[Artixbee]

That was a bit like watching the league 1 version of Chelsea vs Barcelona.

Hayes apart, I can't really fault any of the players performances. All put in a really good shift. The defence were solid, and not to blame for an offside goal. we dominated them in midfield, Douglas and Dave had the 'MOTM' in their back pockets practically all game, that was back to the Dougie of last season tonight . Forrester worked tirelessly, as did Donaldson.

Couldn't believe 'fox in the box' Farid didn't start, then didn't come on at HT, or after 50, or 60, or 70, then it was all too late.

Their team were nasty pieces of work, Chorley and Cook especially. Nice to see some some anti-Brentford solidarrity between Andy Scott and Martin Rowlands, hmmm.

No need to panic just yet, much more positives than negatives. Shooting practise will be the key in training ahead of Bournemouth, plus a few extra laps and cicuits for Mr Hayes.

 

[Old NL Bee]

Uwe is hardly going to hang Hayes out to dry in public - not his style, which is probably the right way to go at this stage, even though he was very poor.

Dave had a mere and I can't see how he is good enough in the centre for a team that has serious hopes of promotion.

Craig is not good enough, looks out of his depth at centre half IMO and should be 'rested'.

Can understand Uwe changing the system to 4-4-2 tonight as 3 away games so far with no away win but when it was clear in the second half that this wasn't working why didn't he change it?

Wish he'd kept Harry on and taken Dave off and when making subs with 10 mins to go and needing a goal!! And bringing everyone back when defending a corner with a few minutes to go - unbelieveable!! Uwe keeps saying he is learning etc etc but I'm not sure he is.

Well that balls' the weekend up and it's only bloody Thursday!!!

 

[condorman]

We were robbed

Their goal was offside, for an away team we absolutely dominated possession, generally in their half

Farid should not have been rested.

Our crossing wasn't great tonight either, too often behind the man

This squad have 4/5 youngsters who will play a lot of games and improve - Dean, Forshaw, Forrester, Moore and probably Bidwell. Nights like tonight might not be a bad education

 

[wanderer paul]

As I said earlier, I'm struggling to think of many clear cut chances we failed to put away ?

Paul Hayes. Cross from Forrester. Missed the touch. Only keeper to beat. Couldn't hold off defender. That was a miss.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Sorry I cannot agree with your views of Craig. He looked lightweight, his booking was rash and on more than one occasion he lost out in physical challenges. He does not look a 150k centre half to me. Furthermore Forrester was by miles our most incisive player and the one who looked most likely to create something for us.

Nothing Craig did affected the outcome of the game so he'll get no criticism from me. Ditto Forrester unfortunately so he does (albeit as part of a gang of four). Whereas Dave - I don't like him you know. I have never seen him influence a game. :shrug:

 

[Headbee]

There were many positives in this match, especially in the first half, but the great truth is goals win matches.
The amount of possession we enjoyed should have meant many good chances but in reality there were only a couple of half chances.
The shape, with Donaldson acting as a wide right sided striker meant he was too isolated, too often, with too little support.
Hayes did not offer either the positional sense, the effort or the quality as the other striker to give the necessary support and he really is looking like a very bad buy.
Our possessional passing is not quick enough, or sometimes direct enough to create good chances and we are quite predictable in bringing the ball forward.
This is an area we must improve to make possession equal goals. Donaldson has shown the effort but not the quality of touch and movement we desperately need
in our forwards and Farid looked very puzzled and miffed about his bench session - can Uwe really think Hayes is more likely to score!!
Most of the team played ok, but Craig does look very unsure at times and he doesn't look good enough in the air - there were times when I wished for a bully like Leon in the box.
There will be matches like this throughout the season, but I hope Uwe gets more decisions right to ensure we come away from them as winners.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

I'm encouraged by our performance but distraught that itcounted for nothing. Charlton and Southampton before them would have won that no question and if we want a successful season then we need to do the same. Having said that if we restrict the home side to 2 chances on goal and create 11 of our own at every away game then we will win more than we will lose. We were great 1st half (except Craig and Bidwell) but we didn't kick on and kill them off in the 2nd and a few midfielders stopped working. Orient look pony but it was them who won, every now and again our naïve, school boy characteristics rear their ugly head and makes you question whether we are actually as good as you previously thought and its very frustrating. What will it take for us to win at Orient?

 

[Newbee]

I'm currently on the tube back from the match... Although im gutted at the result . We dominated them and I still think it'll all come together. Keep the faith!!

 

[sonofabee]

I'm encouraged by our performance but distraught that itcounted for nothing. Charlton and Southampton before them would have won that no question and if we want a successful season then we need to do the same. Having said that if we restrict the home side to 2 chances on goal and create 11 of our own at every away game then we will win more than we will
lose. We were great 1st half (except Craig and Bidwell) but we didn't kick on and kill them off in the 2nd and a few midfielders stopped working. Orient look pony but it was them who won, every now and again our naïve, school boy characteristics rear their ugly head and makes you question whether we are actually as good as you previously thought and its very frustrating. What will it take for us to win at
Orient?

But two of their forwards were a yard offside, how can the defence be responsible?

 

[Balders Bee]

Why are you being so condescending?
Do you want me to reply I don't know who scored on Saturday. I wouldn't have left Farid on the bench for so
long, I wouldn't have started Hayes yet but given we only took 1/22 I understand why Uwe decided to change things. It didn't work, no idea why Uwe said that Hayes was excellent but better than slagging off players after a decent all round performance.

My intention was not to be condescending and I can only apologise if you interpreted my post in that manner. As far as I was concerned I was ironically pointing out what I consider to be the fallicy of your argument. It's a rhetorical device. Please don't take everything so personally.

With regards to Uwe's comments no one is suggesting he 'slags' anyone off but why praise a player who quite obviously didn't merit it on that performance.

 

[magicbees]

Sorry I cannot agree with your views of Craig. He looked lightweight, his booking was rash and on more than one occasion he lost out in physical challenges. He does not look a 150k centre half to me. Furthermore Forrester was by miles our most incisive player and the one who looked most likely to create something for us.

Craig isn't worth 150k and Millwall did rip us off, but not to blame tonight, best game I've seen him play for us. Its the manager that worries me most, just dont think we will be top 6 with him in charge. I don't rate him simply as that, I know most wont agree, but I dont like the way he keeps swapping the side around, I sure he doesnt know his best side, which worries me alot.

 

[Brentford 4 Life]

But two of their forwards were a yard offside, how can the defence be responsible?

I didn't say they were responsible for the goal, just that neither were very good ( Bidwell got better and his freekicks were good but I have seen much better from him) Craig looked very poor and Legge must be wondering why he can't get a game.

 

[Artixbee]

Nothing Craig did affected the outcome of the game so he'll get no criticism from me. Ditto Forrester unfortunately so he does (albeit as part of a gang of four). Whereas Dave - I don't like him you know. I have never seen him influence a game. :shrug:

You are criticising Dave for the very same thing you just praised Craig for ?!!

 

[sonofabee]

My intention was not to be condescending and I can only apologise if you interpreted my post in that manner. As far as I was concerned I was ironically pointing out what I consider to be the fallicy of your argument. It's a rhetorical device. Please don't take everything so personally.

With regards to Uwe's comments no one is suggesting he 'slags' anyone off but why praise a player who quite obviously didn't merit it on that performance.

Ignore me, I'm just tetchy because I'm hacked off we lost a game we didn't deserve to.
Re Uwe, he's just had a mic shoved under his nose and God knows what was going through his mind but don't want him berated for saying a player on his first start had an excellent game even if he clearly didn't.