Regional Divisions

[Carri Bee Un]

If BFC can't afford a coach and a ****ing hotel 20 times a year then why are we building a massive stadium? you can't have lofty ambitions of the championship at the same time as a desire to turn the league into some poxy nonuts regional pub ladder. It is a nonsense, you're upsetting me now, close the thread

 

[Edmundo]

If BFC can't afford a coach and a ****ing hotel 20 times a year then why are we building a massive stadium? you can't have lofty ambitions of the championship at the same time as a desire to turn the league into some poxy nonuts regional pub ladder. It is a nonsense, you're upsetting me now, close the thread

:thetruth:

Some people said that under Butcher we were heading for non-league. Now we've ditched him it seems there are people who want to bring non-league to Brentford.

 

[nick logan]

If BFC can't afford a coach and a ****ing hotel 20 times a year then why are we building a massive stadium? you can't have lofty ambitions of the championship at the same time as a desire to turn the league into some poxy nonuts regional pub ladder. It is a nonsense, you're upsetting me now, close the thread

the best post on the subject. Well said

 

[Basil Brush]

Leave well alone, one of the biggest pleasures in life is a mad northern away day. If anyone takes that away from me i would be gutted. Everyone i know is looking forward to Morecombe cos it will be great and the journey adds to it. Bollox to being stuck with Luton and co, give me Accy, Darlo and Carlisle any day.

Well said that man.

 

[Mick.C]

I agree with the away-dayers on this one, my first trip as a 12 year old to Blackpool away blew my mind a 3 nil away win and you are hooked on everything, the places, the set up, the experience of the day, pubs as you got older, and sometimes the football.

Even Accy last week with a miserable performance and a horrible night in Feb was an experience and adventure, I wanted to go, glad I did, but some you win and more than a few you lose.

I understand people wanting local derbies, but a good result coming back from a long away day is one of the sweetest feelings to experience following the Bees

 

[VTG]

If BFC can't afford a coach and a ****ing hotel 20 times a year then why are we building a massive stadium? you can't have lofty ambitions of the championship at the same time as a desire to turn the league into some poxy nonuts regional pub ladder. It is a nonsense, you're upsetting me now, close the thread

Nostalgia OUT! We have one of the best league systems in the world, which provides a fair chance for anyone outside the Championship to get there. Don't bugger that up, or we might as well head towards the college/draft system of American/Australia and watch all the proper clubs disappear down the pan.

IMO it is pointless putting into the equation teams like Forest and Leeds. They just happen to be in lower leagues at present so it is worthless to base an argument on that. In 5 years time they could well be out of the lower leagues and 'southern' teams such as Crystal Palace and Southampton could be kicking around in lower leagues

This paragraph seems to be phrased with the assumption that we won't also be out of the lower leagues. My, what ambition you have.

 

[Gee Bee]

At Darlington there were less than 3,500 spectators in their new 25,000 capacity stadium, with about 300 Bees fans making the long treck north.

Do they get more when they play Rochdale or Stockport?

Darlington regularly get these size crowds. North and South means nothing, Simply because you are dependent more home support than away support.

 

[keefor]

This paragraph seems to be phrased with the assumption that we won't also be out of the lower leagues. My, what ambition you have.

This may well be your interpretation but I don't assume we will be in the lower leagues in 5 years time. I do however accept that given the present situation the club is in, it is likely that we will be at best in League 1.

As a matter of interest do you feel that people who want to keep going to smaller Northern clubs lack ambition? Shouldn't they be aspiring to be part of a much larger Bees following to MUFC or NUFC?

 

[nick logan]

Your missing the point, its not that we want to travel to small northern grounds, its the travelling to northern grounds. Ideally Man U but realistically the smaller clubs.

 

[brooks]

Nostalgia OUT! We have one of the best league systems in the world, which provides a fair chance for anyone outside the Championship to get there.

That's what we used to say about the old first division. Old times!

 

[Leicester Bee]

I still think that smaller clubs should be able to afford to travel to away games without any problems. It is a step backwards if we go back to regional divisions. I do think that we might have a situation where the best of the southern teams having to play the worst of the northern teams would not be helpful and we potentially might see a few 5-0 games in a season, which wouldn't help anybody's progression. Let's face it, under Butcher, we were tonked by Peterborough, so what on earth would teams like Swansea have done to us at that time?

 

[keefor]

Your missing the point, its not that we want to travel to small northern grounds, its the travelling to northern grounds. Ideally Man U but realistically the smaller clubs.

I understand this.

My point was for VTG. Comments have been made on this thread that by his/her thinking could be deemed as lacking in ambition (but as you point out, are realistic) yet only my comment was seen as lacking in ambition. I was interested to understand why this was.

 

[VTG]

I still think that smaller clubs should be able to afford to travel to away games without any problems. It is a step backwards if we go back to regional divisions.

I don't see why the FA can't subsidise travel for all clubs outside the top 2 divisions. There's £zillions floating around at the top, heaven forbid some should trickle downwards in the name of having a strong set of clubs to choose our international players from. If the Premiership situation continues, I reckon at least 4 of the 2010 World Cup squad will come from the Championship. There are some players that are still good enough in the Championship for example James Beattie. Capello won't piss about with prima donnas. If we get there...

 

[VTG]

I understand this.

My point was for VTG. Comments have been made on this thread that by his/her thinking could be deemed as lacking in ambition (but as you point out, are realistic) yet only my comment was seen as lacking in ambition. I was interested to understand why this was.

Hi Keithor. I ignored most of the rest of the twaddle in this thread, I was more interested in the way you phrased the statement and why really, as to me it seemed to assume that we wouldn't be able to challenge for a spot in the Championship. You've clarified it and say that you don't think we can't challenge, and fair enough and thanks for clarifying

 

[keefor]

Hi Keithor. I ignored most of the rest of the twaddle in this thread, I was more interested in the way you phrased the statement and why really, as to me it seemed to assume that we wouldn't be able to challenge for a spot in the Championship. You've clarified it and say that you don't think we can't challenge, and fair enough and thanks for clarifying

No problem.

 

[Leicester Bee]

I don't see why the FA can't subsidise travel for all clubs outside the top 2 divisions. There's £zillions floating around at the top, heaven forbid some should trickle downwards in the name of having a strong set of clubs to choose our international players from. If the Premiership situation continues, I reckon at least 4 of the 2010 World Cup squad will come from the Championship. There are some players that are still good enough in the Championship for example James Beattie. Capello won't piss about with prima donnas. If we get there...

Ok, what you are saying is a completely different issue, but you're right, football as a sport is dead, but I don't think Capello is the answer. It has to come between the Premier League, Sky, Setanta, and the FA. Money talks.

Anyway, the FA and Premier League will never subsidise travel for all clubs outside the top 2 divisions. The attitude of the bigger clubs (whilst they are outwardly sympathetic, and some are actually quite supportive of lower league teams), is that the money generated by the Premier League is borne out of consumer demand, and they have earnt the right to be there. They have spent whatever it has to take on marketing, etc, to get fans in, to pay wages for footballers that we can only dream about. They believe that it is not their fault that teams like us are where we are, so they don't want to act as a charity.
It is very sad, but my disillusionment with football in general is at an all-time low. Brentford fans have supported footballing causes, and I can remember the kind of response we gave to AFC Wimbledon, Bury, Wrexham, Brighton, Bournemouth, and so on and on and on. That made me proud to be a Brentford fan, but I look at the Premier League and hope that they do bring in a maximum wage cap, because if not, they will end up in an European Super League, or the Premier League will eventually succeed in playing games abroad to attract more money. The Premier League might have failed this time round, but they will keep raising the issue until they succeed, or an European Super League is formed. When that happens (of which I am in favour of, or wage capping), I will be delighted, so that the rest of football can get on with getting back to basics.

Isn't it sad, btw, that according to someone I listened to on the radio, that the Premier League is reliant on Man U? Apparently, 70% of the televised audience for football games on Sky and Setanta, switch on for Man U games. Take away Man U games, and the sustainability of Sky is non-existent.

Right, I digress, but I'm not saying any more, because I'm too fecked off with the Premier League.

 

[VTG]

The Premier League might have failed this time round, but they will keep raising the issue until they succeed, or an European Super League is formed. When that happens (of which I am in favour of, or wage capping), I will be delighted, so that the rest of football can get on with getting back to basics.

I think the way to solve this would be to say fine, big four-six clubs, ok, you go off with your Italiant and Spanish mates and have your European Super League, but not one of your players will be elegible to represent their countries ever again. This will affect a lot of other major countries just as much as us. Maybe the best footballers won't be on show at the World Cup and we'll end up with a situation like we have with the FA Cup where the biggest clubs would rather play in the Champions League instead, in which case fine, it's already happening, and those players will be conspicuous by their absence, now **** off and let us play some proper football, as long as the rest of us including UEFA and FIFA can put in as big an attempt as possible to ostracise and sever all ties with any European Super League, things will be fine.

Wage caps, yes please! Regional divisions, you're having a laugh.

 

[Sandhurstbee]

I can see the merits of regionisation on cost etc. Also it is not about how many fans we take to away games but bigger gates at GP. However like a lot of people here I do enjoy going to an away game up north when the finances allow it. Hotel already booked for Morecambe
If the Championship clubs get there way for a Premier League 2 then the powers that be may well consider regionalising the lower leagues with some sort of link to the Conference.

 

[VTG]

If the Championship clubs get there way for a Premier League 2

Where's that from?

Let's just have 4 Premier Leagues, then we'll all get lots of money

 

[blunstone]

675 came with 'boro last night pushing our attendance over 4,000.

Peterborough (whilst playing well this season are not exactly 'GIANTS') would probably be placed in the southern division.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

675 came with 'boro last night pushing our attendance over 4,000.

Peterborough (whilst playing well this season are not exactly 'GIANTS') would probably be placed in the southern division.

Only 675? I though Brook Rd Lower held around 1,600 and it looked more than half full with at least a couple of hundred upstairs - they must all have been big lads.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

675 came with 'boro last night pushing our attendance over 4,000.

Peterborough (whilst playing well this season are not exactly 'GIANTS') would probably be placed in the southern division.

They don't normally bring 2-300 when they aren't top of the league, do they?lol
Blinkers on again.

 

[Edmundo]

675 came with 'boro last night pushing our attendance over 4,000.

Peterborough (whilst playing well this season are not exactly 'GIANTS') would probably be placed in the southern division.

Peterborough is north of Birmingham so it is by no means certain that they would play in the southern division. In fact, probably not.

 

[rebus]

Peterborough is north of Birmingham

What, by five miles. lol

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Peterborough is north of Birmingham so it is by no means certain that they would play in the southern division. In fact, probably not.

With current league 1/2 teams they would be Southern. At a glance at the tables, I reckon there are 27 clubs definitely further North and a couple that might be borderline

 

[rebus]

With current league 1/2 teams they would be Southern. At a glance at the tables, I reckon there are 27 clubs definitely further North and a couple that might be borderline

Don't let the truth get in the way of his argument...

 

[nick logan]

Don't let the truth get in the way of his argument...

Let it go Gooner we aint having it.

 

[Leonardo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Notts County flirt between being a Southern and a Northern team depending on what clubs were relegated.
Also how far is Torquay or Wrexham ...

 

[rebus]

Let it go Gooner we aint having it.

:thumbs:

 

[weymouth bee]

I wouldn't like to see regional divisions and why hasn't someone put up a poll on this thread. Be interesting to see which way the people would vote.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

The fact that Plymouth, Muff and Exeter always have and always will bring more fans to GP than Barnet and Peterboro kills this stupid frigging argument. It's not distance it's just purely reluctance to travel and lack of numbers in the first place.
Fulham get 20,000 showbizzers turn up for home games and get 200 away followers at Blackburn. It shows that they have very few hardened fans IMO. Oldham, Bradford, Hudders etc etc have always brought more fans to us than Posh with twice the distance to travel.
We will take nearly as many as Posh brought last night to Morecambe this weekend.

 

[rebus]

The fact that Plymouth, Muff and Exeter always have and always will bring more fans to GP than Barnet and Peterboro kills this stupid frigging argument. It's not distance it's just purely reluctance to travel and lack of numbers in the first place.
Fulham get 20,000 showbizzers turn up for home games and get 200 away followers at Blackburn. It shows that they have very few hardened fans IMO. Oldham, Bradford, Hudders etc etc have always brought more fans to us than Posh with twice the distance to travel.
We will take nearly as many as Posh brought last night to Morecambe this weekend.

You think we're taking 1300 to Morecambe? Wake up!

 

[NorthamptonBee]

You think we're taking 1300 to Morecambe? Wake up!

There wasn't 1300 posh there last night.

 

[rebus]

There wasn't 1300 posh there last night.

Has there been some editing? I could have sworn that said "double the amount". :blush

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Has there been some editing? I could have sworn that said "double the amount". :blush

No and you need to fecking wake up.

 

[rebus]

No and you need to fecking wake up.

lol

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Can I be the first to apologise to all Bees fans and in particulair to Barmy Blunstone that only 383 made the trip to Morecambe.

 

[upnorthbee]

Can I be the first to apologise to all Bees fans and in particulair to Barmy Blunstone that only 383 made the trip to Morecambe.

Is that it? Their looked to be many more

 

[louzer]

I like the Bfc away days as much as Harry Potter himself but at the minute I can only afford to go to 40-50% of away games tops. I earn a decent wage and have a fairly flexible budget towards Bfc events but there's only so many times a year I can jusify £100-150 layout and 20 hour long days out.
With a missus and family and work commitments I can't manage the long northern trips as much as I'd like.
So in a selfish way I'd see myself making it to 60-70% of games in a southern division. I 'm sure there are other fans in the same boat and it's a fact that more fans make the more local trips.
This helps the clubs, the atmosphere and local trips save the club time and money and allow players slightly longer recovery time.

 

[Siemprebee]

At Darlington there were less than 3,500 spectators in their new 25,000 capacity stadium, with about 300 Bees fans making the long treck north.

None of the grounds we have played at over the past week were exactly bursting at the seams - Chesterfield and Accrington being the others.

And, for a small club , the travelling costs have been high.

With fuel now very expensive, and time for many at a premium, should the Football League reconsider regional divisions?

With play-offs on a national basis for places in the Championship.

A regional 1st Division South would have more local derbies (and bigger crowds as a consequence), less hotel and travelling costs for the team, less travelling time, better away support, and more atmosphere at the games.

Agree with you.Look at Spain they also works with regional divisions.It is a succes there.

 

[Wise old Bee]

Agree with you.Look at Spain they also works with regional divisions.It is a succes there.

It works in Spain where only the top two divisions are single divisions. Their equivalent of our div 1 has four divisions and you can only get promoted through play offs. The equivalent to our div 2 has a lot more divisions with end of season mini leagues and then play offs. It is a right bastard to rise up the divisions though.

 

[Carri Bee Un]

This thread is like being jabbed with a pin once a week, the answer's NO, just get over it, also Spain is bigger than England, and **** me they also eat babies, do you want to start doing that as well? eh?