reply to Chronicle

[stedders]

I have submitted the following letter to the Chronicle

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It was interesting to read Jim Levack's column recently, and his misgivings about the running of Brentford FC. Whilst I could take issue with some of the small items of gossip, I am more concerned to read of Jim’s analysis for the future of the Club.

Jim believes Brentford FC needs a “ruthless swine of a businessman with the Bees in his blood, capable of tapping into revenue streams”. One is tempted to ask what revenue streams? I sincerely believe that this is the last thing we need . . . it doesn’t matter if he or she bleeds red and white or blue and green, this is just the tired old thinking that has got the Club into its current mess.

Gary Hargraves held a similar position at the Club during Ron Noades’ reign and, I understand was handsomely rewarded. During Gary’s time I can’t say Brentford’s Sales and Marketing operation shone like a beacon – and he wasn’t even able to renegotiate the advertising on the stadium’s rooftops, for many years touted as one of the finest pieces of advertising real estate in the country. Perhaps he was just poor at his job and he was just treading water; perhaps someone else could have had cash rolling in; or perhaps it is time we all woke up to the truth that such revenue is severely constrained while the Club remains at Griffin Park.

If such a person exists then I am sure he or she would be sitting in the hot seat right now!

No, forget all this nonsense about hard-nosed businessman or white knights charging down the Great West Road, we know from bitter experience that such people are only interested in spending money – even better if it’s not their own! The only truly sustainable future for this Football Club lies in the hands of people like Jim and myself, the ordinary supporters of the Club.

For the past year the Supporters’ Trust, Bees United, have been painstakingly piecing together the components for a community stadium at Lionel Road. The Trust’s patience and forbearance is in stark contrast to the hollow rhetoric and the quick fixes of Ron Noades.

Bees United are forging a true community consortium that involves many aspects of the local community and this means previously untapped avenues of funding will open up to develop the Club into a multi-functioning business.

It is my belief that this is the only sustainable future for Brentford FC.


Regards, Paul Stedman

 

[abee]

I have submitted the following letter to the Chronicle

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Jim believes Brentford FC needs a “ruthless swine of a businessman with the Bees in his blood, capable of tapping into revenue streams”. One is tempted to ask what revenue streams?
or perhaps it is time we all woke up to the truth that such revenue is severely constrained while the Club remains at Griffin Park.


............. that involves many aspects of the local community and this means previously untapped avenues of funding will open up to develop the Club into a multi-functioning business.


Regards, Paul Stedman

Stedders you are tying yourself up in knots.

In one breath you are asking ".........what revenue streams........" and then right at the end you are talking about "....previously untapped avenues of funding will open up........."

Er isn't this what Jim Levack was talking about. My take on Jim's column was that he was certainly not looking at another Noades to come in but that Bees United members with a serious business background contribute their experience and advise on tapping into areas that had not perhaps been explored before.

Do you believe that an improved Griffin Park (a la Doug White) would be the answer if Lionel Road goes tits up. You don't seem to cover that.

 

[Brickie Chap]

It must be Friday, its ask but never answer a question day

 

[abee]

It must be Friday, its ask but never answer a question day

Ask me anything you like. I invited B2B to last week and said if it was too personal he could send me a PM.

I am not running for "office" but surely if the candidates for the Bees United committee post their views on the GPG it is reasonable to ask questions on where they stand.

We all know that you would like the forthcoming Bees United committee elections to vote in John Mac, Brimicombe and Stedders dropping Andrew Wainwright who therefore would no longer be available to provide free legal advice to Bees United. Doesn't seem over smart to me but hey what do I know. We are already agreed that we inhabit different business worlds.


Now what exactly would you like answered O Wise One.

 

[The Joker]

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Stedders you are tying yourself up in knots.

In one breath you are asking ".........what revenue streams........" and then right at the end you are talking about "....previously untapped avenues of funding will open up........."

I read Stedders comments as, basically, "we don't have any revenue streams to tap into right now"... "when we move to Lionel Road there will be new revenue streams to tap into".

 

[Brickie Chap]

Can you point me in the direction of where it says AW can no longer assist BU if he is not re-elected? Maybe I have missed something but I am not aware of either JM or AW having to resign as either a Club Director or Exec Committee member should the election go against them.

Now, tomorrow's lottery numbers would be quite helpful, as the Master of All Knowledge, do you cover that particular area

 

[abee]

Re: Re: Re: reply to Chronicle

I read Stedders comments as, basically, "we don't have any revenue streams to tap into right now"... "when we move to Lionel Road there will be new revenue streams to tap into".

He actually writes "..........previously untapped ......funding".

If they are "untapped" they are available but not yet made use of.

Don't blame me I don't write the stuff I just comment on it.

However if Stedders means that there is absolutely nothing we can do until we get into Lionel Road (which I thought was about five years away) then that is a pretty gloomy ticket on which to run for election.

 

[abee]

Can you point me in the direction of where it says AW can no longer assist BU if he is not re-elected?

I didn't say he could no longer assist but have you tried asking him if he would assist???????? rofl rofl rofl

 

[The Joker]

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He actually writes "..........previously untapped ......funding".

However if Stedders means that there is absolutely nothing we can do until we get into Lionel Road (which I thought was about five years away) then that is a pretty gloomy ticket on which to run for election.

Only Stedders can answer that, but I would guess he is more optimistic than that!

Surely the biggest unused revenue stream right now is the roof space? We gotta sell this soon. I guess other streams will come from redeveloping GP (like the exec boxes at the back of New Road) etc...

 

[abee]

Now, tomorrow's lottery numbers would be quite helpful, as the Master of All Knowledge, do you cover that particular area

Reel 'em in and throw 'em back.



Try and get a friend to help you. This is getting too easy. rofl

 

[abee]

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Only Stedders can answer that, but I would guess he is more optimistic than that!

Surely the biggest unused revenue stream right now is the roof space? We gotta sell this soon. I guess other streams will come from redeveloping GP (like the exec boxes at the back of New Road) etc...

Stedders wrote :

".........such revenue is severely constrained while the club remains at Griffin Park".

I was interested in Stedders views on the proposed redevelopment/ improvements to Griffin Park as outlined in the proggy last Saturday and whether he felt that it would bring in the monies suggested.

In other words does Stedders have any agenda if Lionel Road doesn't get off the ground.

Poor old abee. He is basically doing the work of the Doug White Fan Club for them this morning and just gets the continuing wounding abuse from the usual suspects.

I love this stuff!!! rofl rofl

 

[Brickie Chap]

I didn't say he could no longer assist but have you tried asking him if he would assist???????? rofl rofl rofl

Whats so funny? You actually said -


''We all know that you would like the forthcoming Bees United committee elections to vote in John Mac, Brimicombe and Stedders dropping Andrew Wainwright who therefore would no longer be available to provide free legal advice to Bees United.''


Sorry, there is a massive difference between both versions:rollseyes:

Why would I ask him? Are you implying that AW would like his campaign fought on the basis of 'Elect me and the help with legal work continues, if not...'

Now, come on, those lottery numbers if you please

 

[Brickie Chap]

Reel 'em in and throw 'em back.



Try and get a friend to help you. This is getting too easy. rofl

 

[Gee Bee]

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Stedders wrote :

I was interested in Stedders views on the proposed redevelopment/ improvements to Griffin Park as outlined in the proggy last Saturday and whether he felt that it would bring in the monies suggested.

In other words does Stedders have any agenda if Lionel Road doesn't get off the ground.

And will it impact on the ultimate value of GP when it needs to be sold?

 

[Brickie Chap]

Seems like more questions for the AGM to me

 

[abee]

Whats so funny?

It never ever fails does it??????? rofl rofl rofl

The League of Cruel Sports has now told me that if I don't stop winding up Brickie Chaps I'll be banned from owning one for three years!!!

Don't ever change Brickie Chap!!!

I have so much fun from guessing your responses before you've even thought of them.

Gotta go out now mate so you can have some peace for a few hours.

 

[Ace Face]

abee - How dare you question Stedders! You are slowly killing our trust with your difficult questions.

Stedders I believe is talking about the community revenue which will be come available if a community stadium is developed - 24/7 useage, local authority/healthcare tenants, commercial space, leisure facilities etc.

I am very worried about losing AW and would hope he doesn`t take it to personally if he comes fourth. He is a good bloke and has contributed a lot and I thank him for that.

abee & Brickie Chap - Please don`t start another war as we all know if the worst happens we will all need to dig in.

 

[Brickie Chap]

Must be a French thing

 

[abee]

abee & Brickie Chap - Please don`t start another war as we all know if the worst happens we will all need to dig in.

Bish. I love Brickie Chap and none of this is personal. For me it is recreational therapy and for Brickie Chap it's part of his learning curve.

Believe me if I had to have someone next to me in the trenches then it would be..........

 

[Brickie Chap]

rofl

 

[abee]

I am very worried about losing AW and would hope he doesn`t take it to personally if he comes fourth. He is a good bloke and has contributed a lot and I thank him for that.

If the Bees United members vote AW off the BU Exec Comm then they have taken leave of their senses.

I hope that statement hasn't cost Andrew whatever votes he has left and abee's endorsement is probably his worst nightmare but he is needed on the BU Exec Comm.

 

[abee]

rofl

:love2: :love2: :kiss: :kiss:

 

[abee]

Bish. I love Brickie Chap and none of this is personal. For me it is recreational therapy and for Brickie Chap it's part of his learning curve.

Believe me if I had to have someone next to me in the trenches then it would be..........

...............Bee H.

 

[Brickie Chap]

...............Bee H.

That was taken for granted old boy

 

[Hamburger Hill]

...............Bee H.

Are one and the same?

 

[Ace Face]

abee you already know about life in trenches what with serving through 1914 - 18. Also with your head permanently stuck in the mud, I would call you an expert.

Anyway I am off to see Alex and Roy King

"JMs Lapdog Army
JMs Lapdog Army"

 

[Nick Hester]

...............Bee H.

How would anyone else FIT into the trench if Bee H was in there?

 

[abee]

"JMs Lapdance Army
JMs Lapdance Army"

According to the other thread you've just voted the poor sod off the BU Exec Comm

 

[Edmundo]

If the Bees United members vote AW off the BU Exec Comm then they have taken leave of their senses.

Sorry to pick you up on a point of fact, abee - but it's the BU Board that the current elections are for. The BU Exec is made up of some, but not all, BU Board members. And, in fact, AW is not one of them.

Read all about it on www.beesunited.org.uk

 

[abee]

Sorry to pick you up on a point of fact, abee - but it's the BU Board that the current elections are for. The BU Exec is made up of some, but not all, BU Board members. And, in fact, AW is not one of them.

Read all about it on www.beesunited.org.uk

Ooerrr.

Please cancel all of my previous posts on this subject.

 

[abee]

Sorry to pick you up on a point of fact, abee - but it's the BU Board that the current elections are for. The BU Exec is made up of some, but not all, BU Board members. And, in fact, AW is not one of them.

Read all about it on www.beesunited.org.uk

Well I've looked at it and it's still not clear to me.

Who is on the BU Exec Comm then??? I took it that it was the guys with job descriptions in brackets and AW shows as Legal Officer.

So AW is on the BU Comm but not on the BU Exec Comm is an executive director of BFC but not on the BFC Exec Comm. Is that right???

 

[abee]

Well I've looked at it and it's still not clear to me.

Who is on the BU Exec Comm then??? I took it that it was the guys with job descriptions in brackets and AW shows as Legal Officer.

So AW is on the BU Comm but not on the BU Exec Comm is an executive director of BFC but not on the Exec Comm. Is that right???

Scrub that I've just found it !!!!!!

I guess the point is if Bish and like thinkers vote John Mac off the BU Committee then he cannot continue as Chief Executive of the Bees United Executive Committee. Have I got it right now???

I'm going back to solving the Origin of the Universe. It's simpler Ed

 

[Ace Face]

abee - Thats how I see it. BUT he can still be on the BFC Board and BFC Exec.

 

[stedders]

Stedders you are tying yourself up in knots.
In one breath you are asking ".........what revenue streams........" and then right at the end you are talking about "....previously untapped avenues of funding will open up........."
Do you believe that an improved Griffin Park (a la Doug White) would be the answer if Lionel Road goes tits up. You don't seem to cover that.

In the (albeit brief) time I have, happy to deal with points raised:
My letter had to be brief, in order for it to be published (which I am not sure it will be), so obviously could not deal with all the issues I would have liked.
The revenues are untapped at the moment because the Club simply does not have the infrastructure to support them.
This is, I believe, the whole point of a new stadium.

He actually writes "..........previously untapped ......funding".
However if Stedders means that there is absolutely nothing we can do until we get into Lionel Road (which I thought was about five years away) then that is a pretty gloomy ticket on which to run for election.

Stedders wrote :
".........such revenue is severely constrained while the club remains at Griffin Park".
I was interested in Stedders views on the proposed redevelopment/ improvements to Griffin Park as outlined in the proggy last Saturday and whether he felt that it would bring in the monies suggested.
In other words does Stedders have any agenda if Lionel Road doesn't get off the ground.

I think Bees United's plans (as outlined in last Saturday's programme) for medium-term redevelopment of Griffin Park is a good approach; not be confused with dealing with issues here and now; or the long term.
From my, extremely limited, reading of the situation it could bring on additional revenue sources, but this quite a different matter of the long-term goal of a new community complex at Lionel Road.
As I said in my letter, I believe such revenues are severely constrainted, it does not mean that they don't exist. They are limited and they are hard to achieve.

If we don't get Lionel Road?
I think we will, it will take a long time, but if we don't . . . the outlook will definitely be bleak! :sad:

And will it impact on the ultimate value of GP when it needs to be sold?

I think we can safely assume that any redevelopment of Griffin Park will not impact on the development value of the land. There is a silver-haired gent who, I am sure, would have something to say on the matter.

Won't be online again until this evening.

 

[abee]

Good answers Stedders and many thanks.

You have however an almost insurmountable hurdle to overcome as you have the support of.......................

........................BISH. :sad: :sad:

Never mind; keep plugging away. Noblesse oblige mate.

 

[Ace Face]

abee - Why doubt the man for christs sake, you know him well enough?

As for your cheap jibe, who next JM, Brian B, PJ or AW.

 

[abee]

1) abee - Why doubt the man for christs sake, you know him well enough?

2) As for your cheap jibe, who next JM, Brian B, PJ or AW.

Listen Bash and try to understand :

1) I've never met Stedders in my life. If he's trying to win votes by saying that he's a friend of mine then I shall sue.

2) All of them. It's no fun now that Noades has gone :sad:
so I just pick on whoever attracts my attention.

 

[Ace Face]

abee - I thought you must know Stedders..sorry. Who would call themselves your friend?

Why don`t you just carry on picking me off? How do you know that I am not a diversion for your critiques, so that JM & BBu( can`t use BB anymore because of Bill Benn business supremo) can get on with the masterplan?

The working class cannon fodder can be easily replaced, but the likes of our leaders are not seen in many generations, so cast your aspertions to me.

 

[Streetboy]

In the (albeit brief) time I have, happy to deal with points raised:
My letter had to be brief, in order for it to be published (which I am not sure it will be)

No reason why not Paul.
Is it coming by email or snail mail?

 

[Ace Face]

Streetboy to replace Jim Levack and John Lyons.

 

[Luton Bee]

abee - How dare you question Stedders

Result Stedders, your not even elected yet and you already have Bish rushing to defend you!

 

[Ace Face]

Stedders is beyond criticism. He is our rock. He is my foil, my straightman.

Hasn`t got a clue about hard-nosed business though.

 

[Bee H]

just a suggestion young BIsh

so that JM & BBu( can`t use BB anymore because of Bill Benn business supremo) can get on

I'd watch the continued sarcastic/libellous remarks re Mr Benn if I were you bisH !

 

[Ace Face]

BeeH - I don`t know the libel law and will be careful in future. Please post it if you know it. But surely if Bill was suggesting we need a hard nosed businessman, he must be one himself - may be I should have said " hard-nosed businessman". If he did want to sue me, thank god he didn`t get shacked up with our supporters trust in anyway.

I sit 12ft from Bill at GP and plan to ask him a few questions, when I see him. Nothing confrontational or spoon fed to me. I am still dissappointed he decided to go the Beesotted route and take the Sweepy approach - I was only starting a debate, but what do I know, that JM doesn`t tell me.

 

[Bee H]

If he did want to sue me, thank god he didn`t get shacked up with our supporters trust in anyway.

If he'd put the £50k in to the Club you would have been wanting to have his children !

Because he didn't and because he dared criticise the Board of Directors/Exec Comm, certain postings on the GPG I feel were a clear attempt to dis-credit him.

Have you seen his Bank Statements or know his personal wealth ? Of course you haven't so stop being a sheep picking up on things otherwise it could land you personally in trouble which I'm sure you don't want.

I'm not sticking up for Mr Benn btw, I wouldn't know him if he walked in to my office and sat down!

 

[stedders]

abee - I thought you must know Stedders..sorry.

I think ABee was being ironic

We know each other well

 

[stedders]

Is it coming by email or snail mail?

Emailed Friday morning to John Lyons

 

[abee]

I think ABee was being ironic

We know each other well

Which one is you????

 

[abee]

I have submitted the following letter to the Chronicle

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It was interesting to read Jim Levack's column recently and
it is my belief that this is the only sustainable future for Brentford FC.

Regards, Paul Stedman

To save everyone time and 30p next Thursday this is an advance copy of the Stedders letter that will be printed and on the assumption that it is edited with the same pair of scissors that they took to Mr Brimicombe's.

No need to thank me it is just another public service provided by abee.

 

[stedders]

Re: Re: reply to Chronicle

To save everyone time and 30p next Thursday this is an advance copy of the Stedders letter that will be printed and on the assumption that it is edited with the same pair of scissors that they took to Mr Brimicombe's.

No need to thank me it is just another public service provided by abee.

Having fallen foul in the same in the way past, I have specifically requested that it be included in full OR I do any 'subbing' OR they don't use it at all. (which is why I said it may not be included!)