Reporting Hateful Behaviour

[moribee]

Think uou will find this is all a wind up. If not its just a way of sterilising whi they have in new ground. One thing for sure it doesnt sound like my Brentford

 

[jbee]

Even if there are no problems at Griffin Park and everyone is lovely there's nothing wrong with having a phone number available if by some unfathomable twist of fate someone does behave in an unacceptable way, vanishingly unlikely as that no doubt is. After all vulnerable people are often intimidated and might be worried about confronting someone directly; and frankly why should they?

Of course it is possible that this phone number will by used by dreaded 'snowflakes' to report things like swearing, incorrect use of gender pronouns, suspected Brexit support, culturally insensitive attire, aggressive eye contact etc. At which point teams of secret police dressed in rainbow colours will descend on the guilty party and drag them screaming from their seats. If this happens we should rethink.

 

[hobbsy]

So, reading through these posts, no one seems to have been the victim of a hate crime at GP, nor knows anyone that has, so this seems a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. It does seem like window dressing, when there are already channels to report crime or hateful behaviour. I would have thought players or officials are the most likely to use the service, as they get more verbal abuse in a game than the rest of GP put together. They need to have a line for reporting if you've been mauled by a hippo at GP next.

Well I do know people who been threatened at a Brentford match about their sexuality.

I have no idea why people are making such a fuss about something that can only be a good thing in ensuring GP is a safe inclusive environment for all.

 

[Jambo]

That's a fallacious argument.
Just because a problem is worse somewhere else, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't acknowledge there's a problem at all.

I didn't say if there was or wasn't a problem, I made no mention of it either way did I?

My point was you said its hostile environment, I'm saying that (in my humble opinion) it isn't, its not even vaguely remotely hostile

 

[BFC1997]

I didn't say if there was or wasn't a problem, I made no mention of it either way did I?

My point was you said its hostile environment, I'm saying that (in my humble opinion) it isn't, its not even vaguely remotely hostile

It’s hostile to a lesser degree. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t address that.

 

[Wise old Bee]

If you are really concerned to ring someone ring the police. The number is 999.

Hopefully they will be too busy knocking feral thugs off mopeds.

 

[Castleview]

I used to sit in the paddock and when the fatties celebrated a goal that hotline would have run off the hook

Are you allowed to call them that?

 

[grepo]

Freedom of speech, for which I ancestors fought and thankfully won two World Wars.

Seems a sensible enough idea. Don't understand the concerns :shrug:

 

[Jambo]

It’s hostile to a lesser degree. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t address that.

To a lesser degree that what? Address what? Please tell me when its been hostile recently. My place of work is more hostile than GP.

 

[hughbee]

Freedom of speech, for which I ancestors fought and thankfully won two World Wars.

Some freedoms can have a very negative impact on other people’s freedoms. We have to draw a line on occasions. We wouldn’t allow anyone to promote intimidation or harm to children, so we should draw a line with promoting hate of minorities.

 

[Bill Benn]

Some freedoms can have a very negative impact on other people’s freedoms. We have to draw a line on occasions. We wouldn’t allow anyone to promote intimidation or harm to children, so we should draw a line with promoting hate of minorities.

I wonder if I’m in the minority and I can say I find your lefty bullshit boring

 

[BFC1997]

To a lesser degree that what? Address what? Please tell me when its been hostile recently. My place of work is more hostile than GP.

It's hostile to a lesser degree than your examples given earlier.

Let's be specific then about what needs to be addressed.
I stand on the Ealing Road terrace. I hear a lot of borderline comments each week about the Danish contingent in our setup. I hear a lot of homophobic remarks each week. I hear a lot of sexist jokes and anecdotes.

If you want a specific example, recently I was queueing for the urinals in Ealing Road and there was a group of Germans talking in their native tongue. A rough looking fellow kept giving them aggressive looks and tried cracking racist jokes at which no one else laughed. That probably felt 'hostile' and 'hateful' to them, even if it's not Johannesburg or Kingston Jamaica.

I am glad the club is taking it seriously.

 

[Jambo]

It's hostile to a lesser degree than your examples given earlier.

Let's be specific then about what needs to be addressed.
I stand on the Ealing Road terrace. I hear a lot of borderline comments each week about the Danish contingent in our setup. I hear a lot of homophobic remarks each week. I hear a lot of sexist jokes and anecdotes.

If you want a specific example, recently I was queueing for the urinals in Ealing Road and there was a group of Germans talking in their native tongue. A rough looking fellow kept giving them aggressive looks and tried cracking racist jokes at which no one else laughed. That probably felt 'hostile' and 'hateful' to them, even if it's not Johannesburg or Kingston Jamaica.

I am glad the club is taking it seriously.

'Probably' felt hostile. So this is your assumption. Unless of course they actually told you that they felt it was hostile? If so then I apologise, I guess I am wrong.

But if they didn't, and this is based purely on your assumption, do you genuinely think that as a group they felt that one individual person made GP a hostile environment?

 

[jbee]

Freedom of speech, for which I ancestors fought and thankfully won two World Wars.

I don’t know which world wars you’re referring to but neither of the two I’m familiar with were fought over ‘free speech’.

Is there really nothing that someone might hypothetically say or do at a football match that you might consider hateful or unacceptable? Is it really anything goes? I imagine if you are reasonable you will say the answer is no.

A lot of this is in the implementation. We cannot really know how it will work until it’s in operation. It is difficult to decide what counts as hateful and what is people being priggish and over sensitive, but you have to have a way of dealing with it rather than just assuming it can’t happen or doesn’t matter. My guess is the phone line will rarely be used because a) Griffin Park is generally not a hostile place and most fans are good sorts, b) people are generally reluctant to complain about this unless really pushed. I don’t see it becoming a problem for anyone or something that impinges on freedom.

 

[High Street Bee]

Get your Lionel Road season ticket early before the straight white male quota is sold out. What happens when someone decides we arent diverse enough a'la BBC or the police?

I dont give a flying **** about what colour people are, or what bits of them they want to stick in someone else as its none of my business. This creeping lefty bullshit however is dangerous.

 

[BFC1997]

'Probably' felt hostile. So this is your assumption. Unless of course they actually told you that they felt it was hostile? If so then I apologise, I guess I am wrong.

But if they didn't, and this is based purely on your assumption, do you genuinely think that as a group they felt that one individual person made GP a hostile environment?

I think you're completely missing the point. Do you think that kind of behaviour is acceptable?

 

[mhead bee]

You're tired of people being offended, yet you appear to by offended by this "rainbow thing" (for some odd reason, not sure why it would be something that affects you), I don't think that you will be asked to wear a dress to a match, just like you've never been forced to wear rainbow laces, a motif in support of a Cancer charity, a poppy etc etc.

Did I say it offended me?

I said I don't really get it. Gay people need to come out and they will see the support they will get for doing so. Us wearing rainbow laces doesn't achieve anything does it? Maybe it does, I am not sure though.

Also regarding the dress thing, grow a sense of humour and stop being so offended.

 

[N16QPR]

I don't understand what's the fuss about?. I honestly thought every club in the Football League had this implemented already.

 

[rebus]

Gay people need to come out .

They don't need to do anything. That's the bit you don't understand.

 

[Guildford Bee]

I said I don't really get it. Gay people need to come out and they will see the support they will get for doing so.

Until you’ve walked in their shoes you’re in no position to tell them what they should and shouldn’t be doing.

 

[Brentford Bob]

Can we ring the number to report pasty adverts?

Seriously, I couldn't give a monkeys one way or another, and I'm probably classed as a lefty as I've never voted for the blue lot.... but if someone actually needs to use this number then let them get on with it. I'm half tempted to phone it myself when my own child refers to me as a 'fat geezer'. That'll teach him.

I don't even know what I'm trying to say..... **** it..... the most important thing is not losing a football match on Monday.

Up the Bees. Peace.

 

[westwing]

Thomas Franks will be ringing up if we lose at West Brom and home to Swansea.

 

[marvelous007]

I got hit by a chomp bar once!.

 

[JBN]

I’d rather sit next to an Asian in a half and half scarf than those pair of vile ***** any day of the week.

Not condoning their actions at all, however, there are some very selective memories on here.

Prior to their downfall, the Hester brothers raised a shed load of money for the club, buying training equipment for the youth set up and even a player at one point.

I guess I will be hung out to dry as a racist (by people who don't me) for daring to raise the good that the Hester Brothers did.

From a moderators point of view, if KillerBee is a Hester brother and a GPG member, should LostBee face an infraction for insulting a fellow GPG participant, or does the blanking out of the four letter word get around it?

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

That's a fallacious argument.
Just because a problem is worse somewhere else, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't acknowledge there's a problem at all.

but there isnt a problem anyway ??? and the fact that you think gp is a hostile environment says it all for me really lol lol

 

[Banana]

For those for whom there is no problem. What are you worried about exactly. Seems to be a lot of protesting too much on here considering there is no problem according to those getting irate.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

It's hostile to a lesser degree than your examples given earlier.

Let's be specific then about what needs to be addressed.
I stand on the Ealing Road terrace. I hear a lot of borderline comments each week about the Danish contingent in our setup. I hear a lot of homophobic remarks each week. I hear a lot of sexist jokes and anecdotes.

If you want a specific example, recently I was queueing for the urinals in Ealing Road and there was a group of Germans talking in their native tongue. A rough looking fellow kept giving them aggressive looks and tried cracking racist jokes at which no one else laughed. That probably felt 'hostile' and 'hateful' to them, even if it's not Johannesburg or Kingston Jamaica.

I am glad the club is taking it seriously.

was this rough looking fellow a smallish chap fiddling with his free bus pass with a blue baseball cap on ?? lol lol lol this thread is the thread that keeps giving lol

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

For those for whom there is no problem. What are you worried about exactly. Seems to be a lot of protesting too much on here considering there is no problem according to those getting irate.

no ones getting irate,,,,,,,,,,apart from the usaual suspect lunatic left who never comment on actual football, the snowflakes, the im offended on behalf of you brigade,
the people who find gp hostile (which is by far the funniest thing ive heard in years} and any other assortment of the kind of people i try to avoid at brentford for the good of my sanity lol lol sometimes i reckon fulham are more normal than us lol lol

quality thread though lol

 

[Dazza]

Find it interesting that it's those that are shouting the most how this isn't needed are the same people that are calling people that disagree with names like snowflakes and saying how wrong their views are or how this isn't "their Brentford"

Not everyone experiences at football are the same, some people will have experienced some issues (I've heard homophobic stuff on ER that some may pass off as "banter" for example) so surely it's good the club have set something up to support people? Surely it's better the club are proactive in things like this rather than reactive and waiting for issues to happen (that may not even get reported so they'd never know if there were issues) The club should be commended for this imo though no doubt this will lead me to be called "a bloody leftie" for saying so.

Also if there really is no issues at GP (and for the record no one is saying the place is full of roaming gangs of racist and homophobic Brentford fans or anything like that) then this will never be used and will die out so there really is no reason to be upset by this. If you're never gonna use it then ignore it and ignore this thread.

 

[hughbee]

Not condoning their actions at all, however, there are some very selective memories on here.

Prior to their downfall, the Hester brothers raised a shed load of money for the club, buying training equipment for the youth set up and even a player at one point.

I guess I will be hung out to dry as a racist (by people who don't me) for daring to raise the good that the Hester Brothers did.

From a moderators point of view, if KillerBee is a Hester brother and a GPG member, should LostBee face an infraction for insulting a fellow GPG participant, or does the blanking out of the four letter word get around it?

The post about “Asian women” is disgusting racism. Whatever they’ve done for the club, the possible damage to our reputation from fans like that could massively outweigh any good.

 

[Bill Benn]

was this rough looking fellow a smallish chap fiddling with his free bus pass with a blue baseball cap on ?? lol lol lol this thread is the thread that keeps giving lol

lol

 

[Bill Benn]

For those for whom there is no problem. What are you worried about exactly. Seems to be a lot of protesting too much on here considering there is no problem according to those getting irate.

No I think the problem is the extreme lefty’s on here know that too they just use it as a soapbox for their properganda

 

[Banana]

No I think the problem is the extreme lefty’s on here know that too they just use it as a soapbox for their properganda

Who? Mark Devlin and his loony left mates on the board? Because I don't think too many others were involved in the decision!

 

[LostBee]

Not condoning their actions at all, however, there are some very selective memories on here.

Prior to their downfall, the Hester brothers raised a shed load of money for the club, buying training equipment for the youth set up and even a player at one point.

I guess I will be hung out to dry as a racist (by people who don't me) for daring to raise the good that the Hester Brothers did.

From a moderators point of view, if KillerBee is a Hester brother and a GPG member, should LostBee face an infraction for insulting a fellow GPG participant, or does the blanking out of the four letter word get around it?

If the mods choose to give me an infraction for what I said then so be it, do you think it is something I will lose sleep over? By the way, it’s nothing I wouldn’t say to their face.

As for the money they raised for the club, well that’s all well and good, but that does not give them a free pass to say the outrageous, bigoted claptrap that they have in the past couple of years. Maybe it does in your book.

Also, no one is going to hang you out to dry for being a racist. Stop being so melodramatic.

 

[Bill Benn]

Who? Mark Devlin and his loony left mates on the board? Because I don't think too many others were involved in the decision!

I’m talking about some posters on this thread

 

[hughbee]

It seems to be acceptable to post about “looney lefties”. That’s fine, I think it says more about the poster than anyone on the left.

Would it be acceptable to post anything derogatory about the right?

As others have said this thread isn’t about left or right, it’s about right or wrong.

 

[Banana]

It seems to be acceptable to post about “looney lefties”. That’s fine, I think it says more about the poster than anyone on the left.

Would it be acceptable to post anything derogatory about the right?

As others have said this thread isn’t about left or right, it’s about right or wrong.

Hugh, sometimes it's better to say nothing at all....

 

[shaun]

Inclusion and diversity is an ongoing focus across the business spectrum (Brentford FC is many things to many people but it also a company). That has to be good thing. Why shouldn’t everyone who feel welcome? Those of you who think this is PC bull - go and read the threads about “How we do we fill Griffin Park?” Football shouldn’t be about the colour of your skin - it should be about the colour of your teams top and frankly no one should give a ***** about anyone’s “Preferences” provided that it is legal. BTW - don’t call me a lefty liberal. I have voted conservative at the last couple of elections.

 

[UBee5]

Slightly strange people are taking the piss out of an action to make Brentford FC more inclusive for everyone. But then the first page has transphobic posts so I guess that has set the tone for which way this topics going to go.

 

[JCMcBee]

...a thread for backdoor politics on the GPG...not before time...#zippy...#paintyourwholeworldwifarainbow.

 

[Lionel Bart-At]

Hugh, sometimes it's better to say nothing at all....

You say it best when you say nothing at all.

 

[Vid]

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[BFC1997]

I’m pretty disappointed at the reaction to this thread .

 

[BFC1997]

was this rough looking fellow a smallish chap fiddling with his free bus pass with a blue baseball cap on ?? lol lol lol this thread is the thread that keeps giving lol

No he wasn’t.

Do you think racist jokes and aggression towards others at GP is okay and something to be laughed off?

 

[JBN]

The post about “Asian women” is disgusting racism. Whatever they’ve done for the club, the possible damage to our reputation from fans like that could massively outweigh any good.

Maybe, I didn't read it as I had no interest in reading it. Like I said, I'm not condoning their words or actions but I find some of the wording used against them very OTT.

If the mods choose to give me an infraction for what I said then so be it, do you think it is something I will lose sleep over? By the way, it’s nothing I wouldn’t say to their face.

As for the money they raised for the club, well that’s all well and good, but that does not give them a free pass to say the outrageous, bigoted claptrap that they have in the past couple of years. Maybe it does in your book.

Also, no one is going to hang you out to dry for being a racist. Stop being so melodramatic.

Under normal circumstances its a breech of the COC, however as it only relates to the Hesters and it was starred out, I guess it suits the agenda to let it through. Hope you enjoyed your nights sleep!

I haven't said it gives them a free pass to say what they like, I'm saying they did alot of good for the club and whilst what they did was unpleasant (haven't read it), the outpouring of vitriol is almost comical. I doubt there is anyone on this site that hasn't said or done something to offend another person at some point in their life.

As for being classed a racist, Its happened before, based on no evidence and feck all was done about it. So I don't lose sleep over it, I sit back and laugh and those with selective memories that accuse me without knowing me and knowing they have a past.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Maybe, I didn't read it as I had no interest in reading it. Like I said, I'm not condoning their words or actions but I find some of the wording used against them very OTT.



Under normal circumstances its a breech of the COC, however as it only relates to the Hesters and it was starred out, I guess it suits the agenda to let it through. Hope you enjoyed your nights sleep!

I haven't said it gives them a free pass to say what they like, I'm saying they did alot of good for the club and whilst what they did was unpleasant (haven't read it), the outpouring of vitriol is almost comical. I doubt there is anyone on this site that hasn't said or done something to offend another person at some point in their life.

As for being classed a racist, Its happened before, based on no evidence and feck all was done about it. So I don't lose sleep over it, I sit back and laugh and those with selective memories that accuse me without knowing me.

Hey JBN, I'm a moderator, I've been abused by them here and one of them on Twitter (made a joke calling us mods peadophiles, what a hoot), I asked politely if he could remove it, he didn't. Therefore, not many sh*ts are given by me. .Speaking only for me, can't comment on other mods. No agenda rhough, I can't be doing with all the nonsense if I'm honest.

 

[JBN]

Hey JBN, I'm a moderator, I've been abused by them here and one of them on Twitter (made a joke calling us mods peadophiles, what a hoot), I asked politely if he could remove it, he didn't. Therefore, not many sh*ts are given by me. .Speaking only for me, can't comment on other mods.

But your a moderator so you don't count , I have you down as one of the good guys, you've always been fair with me.

Maybe its may age, I'm just finding the massive hypocrisy laughable. I doubt any of us have a squeaky clean past, we've all done things that today would not be acceptable, however, all of a sudden they are very quick to judge and tell us what we should say/do/think. I don't take kindly to that.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

But your a moderator so you don't count , I have you down as one of the good guys, you've always been fair with me.

Maybe its may age, I'm just finding the massive hypocrisy laughable. I doubt any of us have a squeaky clean past, we've all done things that today would not be acceptable, however, all of a sudden they are very quick to judge.

I have a very squeaky clean past. Apart from that one sheep thing that people keep bringing up.

 

[Voice from the Braemar]

No he wasn’t.

Do you think racist jokes and aggression towards others at GP is okay and something to be laughed off?

like id believe anything you said as the gospel...made up fake story to get across 'your agenda' more likely....go and bore someone else who might believe you with it eh im still laughing at you making out gp is a hostile environment lol lol

 

[JBN]

Apart from that one sheep thing that people keep bringing up.

Understandable, I almost went vegetarian.