Robert Traynor

[rebus]

http://www.brentfordfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10421~509008,00.html

 

[swr22]

best of luck to him.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

We're certainly cutting the squad...............not a bad thing IMHO.

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

Yes, with them doing well in the Rymans he could be in the Conference next season.

Never saw enough of him to make a judgement, but if a year after his debut the clubs looking for him on loan were Rymans clubs, you have to think he wasn't making the progress one would hope; same probably true of Stephen Hughes, though he is currently only on loan, and possibly Lloyd Blackman too

 

[BeeLUCKY]

Another one bites the dust all the best to him

 

[Simon C]

Never saw enough of him to make a judgement, but if a year after his debut the clubs looking for him on loan were Rymans clubs, you have to think he wasn't making the progress one would hope; same probably true of Stephen Hughes, though he is currently only on loan, and possibly Lloyd Blackman too

Good luck to Rob in the future.

I would be most disappointed out of this crop of players if Lloyd Blackman was released. He's scored some crackers especially against Reading in pre-season and I'd hoped he would make it with us. I doubt he will stay now though.

 

[GP]

We're certainly cutting the squad...............not a bad thing IMHO.

agreed. despite all the 'lack of money' debates, I would imagine we had one of the larger squads in the divisions (going by the squads in the programmes). If they aint gonna make the grade might as well ship em out. harsh maybe, but isnt that the case in life general.

 

[Bee49]

Rob going to a good club who will be in the Conference next season.They had 4,500 for their match against Weymouth who are their nearest rivals and are 9 points clear.Good luck to him,pity we didn't see more of him but we seemed to have so many players with similar quality who hardly made the bench.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

Good luck young man.

 

[hockeym8]

Good luck, i hope all goes well mate.

 

[brighton bee]

im not doubting martin allens judgement but it does seem a bit harsh to get rid of basically all of these players who only came through the ranks 1 or 2 years ago after hes only been here 2 weeks. i just hope blackman and fieldwick dont go the same way(although it looks like fieldwick will)because whenever ive seen those two theyve looked very good prospects.

 

[alikat]

I only saw him play part of a pre-season friendly, and he looked pretty good. Good luck Rob.

 

[W13 Bee]

Although it is nice to have our own crop of players coming through to the first team I do feel Allen has made the right decision in letting some of the fringe players go.
There is no point 3 or 4 that are on the pay roll sitting in the reserves doing nothing in our financial predicament.
He seems to be going for quality and not quantity.

 

[Lokster]

Yep I'd rather have a quality squad of 21-25.

I always thought our current squad was astonishingly large.

 

[SergioGiorginiBee]

im not doubting martin allens judgement but it does seem a bit harsh to get rid of basically all of these players who only came through the ranks 1 or 2 years ago after hes only been here 2 weeks. i just hope blackman and fieldwick dont go the same way(although it looks like fieldwick will)because whenever ive seen those two theyve looked very good prospects.

I totally agree, none of the young players who have been released have been given any chance whatsoever. If i remember rightly they won their youth league 2 seasons running,so all of them must have been at least half decent. It seems we're not too bothered about developing younger players for a couple of seasons. I would much rather the likes of Allen-Page,Peters, Blackman,Fieldwick,Rhodes etc were given a chance to develop next season than players like Jay Smith who clearly isn't good enough !!! The smaller the squad we're going to have under MA the less chance we have of blooding youngsters. As for Blackman and Fieldwick I've heard they're on loan with no recall clauses and out of contract in the summer, so they won't be back !!!

 

[Claire]

so there goes another youngster who never really got a chance to prove themselves, i dont think thats a very good idea of martins

 

[Brain-dead Bee]

I totally agree, none of the young players who have been released have been given any chance whatsoever. If i remember rightly they won their youth league 2 seasons running,so all of them must have been at least half decent. It seems we're not too bothered about developing younger players for a couple of seasons. I would much rather the likes of Allen-Page,Peters, Blackman,Fieldwick,Rhodes etc were given a chance to develop next season than players like Jay Smith who clearly isn't good enough !!! The smaller the squad we're going to have under MA the less chance we have of blooding youngsters. As for Blackman and Fieldwick I've heard they're on loan with no recall clauses and out of contract in the summer, so they won't be back !!!

I think Jay Smith has a contract to the end of next season, though I wouldn't want to see him in the team unless something miraculous happens to him over the summer.

I have sympathy for the young players who are leaving after a handful of games, but MA may know them from watching our reserves in his Barnet days: having made debuts last year, if they were making good progress you would expect Conference or even Div 3 teams to be expressing an interest in loan deals.. but, apart from Fieldwick at Swansea, it's been Ryman league.

Good luck to them anyway; would be glad to see any of them making it elsewhere, as long as they don't score against us.

 

[Leicester Bee]

Bit concerned, in that if we had a squad of experienced and quality players, but quite a small squad, then we could encounter problems for the future.
Why? Because we will never make profit on them. Often enough, we bring in an already decent player, but don't make profit on them at all. If we bring young players through the ranks, then not only do they often commit themselves to Brentford, have Brentford running through their veins, but if half decent, get sold on for a fee that we wouldn't have had otherwise. Youth policy is important to any club and if MA agrees with that sentiment, then we must have some very promising youngsters coming through the ranks. If we don't, then we could be shooting ourselves in the foot, because of the number of players we lose through expired contracts. Don't forget our wage bill is still paltry, and therefore, attracting decent players to the club is not easy.

 

[Boston Bee]

I think that because of MA's experiences at Barnet he knows well the League-quality players now in the Conference. And he can judge our reserve/youth players against that standard. I'd expect Martin to be looking to strengthen the squad in the summer from those player he's seen. Hungry for a chance to move up and impress, maybe we find more Powells and R*****ds.

It's a shame that Traynor etc haven't gotten a real chance. I hope that MA explained that they were going somewhere to play - if they do well, we might see them again, only with a lot more first-team experience than they would have gotten rotting in our reserves.

But I share Leicester's concerns, yes.

 

[Banshee Mildew]

I think that because of MA's experiences at Barnet he knows well the League-quality players now in the Conference. And he can judge our reserve/youth players against that standard. I'd expect Martin to be looking to strengthen the squad in the summer from those player he's seen. Hungry for a chance to move up and impress, maybe we find more Powells and R*****ds.

It's a shame that Traynor etc haven't gotten a real chance. I hope that MA explained that they were going somewhere to play - if they do well, we might see them again, only with a lot more first-team experience than they would have gotten rotting in our reserves.

But I share Leicester's concerns, yes. /QUOTE]

AAAARRRGGHH!! Bloody Americanisation of the Queen's English!!!

 

[Woking Bee]

For the next couple of years I would rather a squad of 20/21 players any of whom would not be a gamble being brought into the 1st team. With the departure of the 6 recently released players, hopefully they will be replaced by 3 or 4 players who can improve the quality of our squad.

 

[brighton bee]

of the youth team that won their league i think we only have jay tabb, josh lennie and danny thomas left and the last two are hardly bursting into the first team none of them with the exception of tabb were really given first team chances and lee fieldwick looked a great prospect the two times i saw him(although apparently he did seem to look out of his depth after this)

 

[Gee Bee]

of the youth team that won their league i think we only have jay tabb, josh lennie and danny thomas left and the last two are hardly bursting into the first team

Thomas is also out on loan.

 

[brighton bee]

Thomas is also out on loan.

with him i think its more a case of him getting experience rather than trying to earn a contract elsewhere because were going to not offer him a new one.

 

[Boston Bee]

:thumbs:
Bloody Englishization of the King's English. All those forms of speech or word that piss you off are derived from 16th and 17th century English. While the language evolved here, the Colonist hung onto the language as it came over as a 'connection' to "home". So now obsolete or provincial word in England survive in the United States, such as allow, faucet, bureau, fall, gotten, guess, likely, professor, shoat. And don't get me started on your incorrect spelling!

:thumbs:

AAAARRRGGHH!! Bloody Americanisation of the Queen's English!!!

 

[AB]

Yes having young players coming through the ranks means we can get transfer fees for them in the future, but that doesn't mean that we have to have 16-17 young players sitting on the payroll of whom over half almost certainly won't make it here. The best of that young crop HAS already stepped up to the first team and I'm sure they will continue to do so.

It isn't as if MA is getting rid of all and sundry to replace them with 34 year old carthorses (although we'll see what we end up with in the close season!) or that we've gone the Chelsea way of having youth team players knowing there is little chance of ever playing first team football. If this tactic means that we become much less reliant on loan players this actually improves the opportunities for everyone in the squad in the future.

We haven't let go of anyone who has made any real impression on the first team even though we've been on a super-tight budget and with few more experienced players for them to displace. OK perhaps there's some mileage in saying that WD's judgment was so poor that MA should really have looked at the players himself more than in a couple of training sessions, but in reality that would have meant keeping the lads on and trialling them over the summer and distracting MA from looking at all the other players who were available.

A good comparison is probably Crewe who have spent 20 years living off their production line of young players. Yet they too offload some of their youths and buy in other young players, constantly shuffling the pack to ensure that the youngsters in the squad are ones who are at the time considered to be realistic prospects rather than purely speculative.

Good luck to all those who have gone, but I would be surprised if many came back to prove us very wrong.

 

[W13 Bee]

Thomas is also out on loan.

His loan has now been extended

 

[Holysmit]

Re: The youth team that won a lot ( I say this as a guess I have no idea if its true) but surely O'Connor, Smith, Dobbo, Tabb, Somner were part of this (judging by their age) amd they probably formed a big part of the sucess. I'd be dissapointed if we lost Hughes and Blackman but the others released I doubt would have made it.

 

[abee]

In an interview with The Chronny Martin Allen is reported as saying that Adrian Whitbread was on the phone to him within half-an-hour of the reserves 3-0 behind closed doors win over the Portsmouth second string in the week :-

"He was absolutely thrilled and wanted to tell me about some of the players on the fringe and how they had done. It means we have quite a few people knocking on the first team door which is good".

As far as I can see there is no comment on this match on the official site (which to be fair is customary with behind closed doors friendlies) but seeing that Portsmouth gave a full report on the match on their own site including their full team sheet it would not have done any harm for Brentford to update us on the match and let us know who was playing. We could then have had a stab at guessing the players Whitbread was so enthused about.

 

[Nigel Brooks]

im not doubting martin allens judgement but it does seem a bit harsh to get rid of basically all of these players who only came through the ranks 1 or 2 years ago after hes only been here 2 weeks. i just hope blackman and fieldwick dont go the same way(although it looks like fieldwick will)because whenever ive seen those two theyve looked very good prospects.

In fairness, we've only lost four players (Rougier, Allen-Page, Traynor and Peters) the rest are out on loan.

I doubt that any of them would have broken into the first team in waht is left of this season. Given the state that Wally left us in I would doubt tht MA would risk blooding any youngsters in the seven 'cup finals' that we have left.

He may, or may not, take another look at those we have loaned out over the summer.

 

[Edmundo]

abee, I'm sure the club will tell us about that game when it sees fit.

:mad2:

 

[abee]

abee, I'm sure the club will tell us about that game when it sees fit.

:mad2:

Is that confirmation or speculation Ed............

 

[Edmundo]

I can confirm that that is speculation! lol

 

[Deleted member 2202]

I'm with you on this one, Martin

A big to average youth players taking a large chunk of the wage bill when they will never make it with us.

 

[Downbeat Bee]

I'm with you on this one, Martin

A big to average youth players taking a large chunk of the wage bill when they will never make it with us.

Ditto players like Fieldwick, Traynor, Hughes are not good enough. I wish them every success though

 

[casual]

All the Best for the future fella.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I am happy to trust his judgement on these players. for sure the ones that are loaned out it is better for them to get some competitive football rather than the non-football of reserves.

 

[rebus]

As far as I can see there is no comment on this match on the official site (which to be fair is customary with behind closed doors friendlies) but seeing that Portsmouth gave a full report on the match on their own site including their full team sheet it would not have done any harm for Brentford to update us on the match and let us know who was playing. We could then have had a stab at guessing the players Whitbread was so enthused about.

We don't report on BCD games that are played away from Griffin Park as a general rule. These fixtures are mostly played at short notice, and at the home club's training ground.

Of course, when you are at the mercy of the internet, some clubs will choose to report on the game. I would venture that it would not been given house room on the Pompey site if the fixture had not been played at Fratton Park.

I thought this thread was about Bobby Traynor!

 

[Luton Bee]

Would it do any harm to report something like this?

We played X in reserve friendly today at y and the result was z, scorers a,b,c line up d,e,f,g etc"

 

[abee]

We don't report on BCD games that are played away from Griffin Park as a general rule. These fixtures are mostly played at short notice, and at the home club's training ground.

Of course, when you are at the mercy of the internet, some clubs will choose to report on the game. I would venture that it would not been given house room on the Pomey site if the fixture had not been played at Fratton Park.

I did say that it was customary not to report but in this case it seemed to me that there was an interest and that Portsmouth FC had provided a full report on their web site which was picked up and posted on the GPG.

Also The Chronny carried an interview with Martin Allen in which he referred to the friendly with Pompey and how Adrian Whitbread phoned him after the match to say how pleased he was with the performance of some of the players who were it seems now knocking on the first team door. As we had lost half a dozen or so of our youngsters on contract terminations and loans I for one would have been interested in seeing the "team sheet" and wondering which of the players Whitbread was talking about.

Mark, the measure and art of management is knowing when to "break the rules". If anyone is just gonna follow the rule book they last five minutes with me and as I tell 'em I may as well have my pet cat pulling down a salary.

I repeat that as the match was referred to on the Pompey official web site with their full team sheet plus covered by Martin Allen in The Chronny then it seemed to me that a chatty little item on the official web site would not have been out of place. The point is mate that the fixture was bloody well played at Fratton Park so what is the use of saying if it wasn't then Pompey probably wouldn't have covered it.

But then what do I know about running companies and good public relations.........

:sad:

 

[rebus]

Mark, the measure and art of management is knowing when to "break the rules".

Correct. However, all I can say is that I have found it the best policy given the circumstances under which we currently operate at the football club.

PM me for a full explanation!

 

[abee]

I thought this thread was about Bobby Traynor!

So what are you doing commenting on why you didn't give the Pompey friendly a mention then and furthermore...........

Look Mark don't get snippy. The thread drifted into the policy of our youngsters and how a number have been let go. I posted re The Chronny report on Adrian Whitbreads comments on the bright young things who played in the Pompey friendly. For heavens sake man you must have to report to someone at BFC I suppose so on Wednesday you go to your line manager and say:-

"Look I know that we don't usually do this but the GPG has picked up on the friendly with Pompey and there is a full report on the Portsmouth web site. Any objections to me giving a report and a team sheet???"

It's called being pro-active mate or does everyone at BFC work on the principle that

"...........if I don't do anything then I can't make any mistakes and if I don't make any mistakes they've got no reason to fire me......."

:sad:

 

[abee]

Correct. However, all I can say is that I have found it the best policy given the circumstances under which we currently operate at the football club.

PM me for a full explanation!

I have disabled my PM facility in view of the rush to send me "non-supportive" messages every time I suggested that John Mac was not God and that Bees United did not always piss perfume and sh*t gold bricks.

So I won't take you up on your offer other than to say that you have not added a smilie to your post which suggests that you are serious. If that is so then the sooner someone takes a chainsaw to the whole set-up the better......... Don't get me started. Rules are for general guidance only and as far as I am concerned anyone who works for me had better have a ****ing good reason for following the rule book when common sense dictates that it needed to be broken. I have fired General Managers for "following rules"..........

You're really starting to ruin my Saturday Mark or is that the whole point...........:sad:

 

[rebus]

You're really starting to ruin my Saturday Mark or is that the whole point...........:sad:

Not at all. Sorry abee!

 

[abee]

Not at all. Sorry abee!

That's all right then........

I thought that perhaps upsetting abee was one of the "general rules"..............

 

[Nigel Brooks]

I have disabled my PM facility in view of the rush to send me "non-supportive" messages every time I suggested that John Mac was not God and that Bees United did not always piss perfume and sh*t gold bricks.

Thanks abee, another whole raft of illusions shattered, and there was I thinking that, as Chance the gardener said, "all in the garden is lovely".

 

[North London Bee]

MA has surely taken advice from people such as Geoff Taylor who understand youth development.

Better to get young kids who have not and are unlikely to make it off the wage bill and free the way for new players to come in for next season.

I doubt if any of Allen-Page, Peters, Blackman, Fieldwick, Hughes or Traynor will come back to haunt us.

Hughes is the only wild card, in my view, who does seem to have some real ability.

They will all find their true level. Traynor has been on the bench lately for Crawley as was Fieldwick for Swansea last week.

As far as I can see MA has shed most of the out of contract players - I am guessing that Frampton and Evans are the only current first teamers whose futures are still to be decided.

 

[bees66]

Frampton and Evans are the only current first teamers whose futures are still to be decided.

I wouldn't miss them both

 

[brighton bee]

I wouldn't miss them both

i certainly think theyve done enough to at least warrant another year to prove themselves-theyve looked decent enough and have both never had a good run in the team due to injuries.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Traynor.

I totally agree, none of the young players who have been released have been given any chance whatsoever. If i remember rightly they won their youth league 2 seasons running,so all of them must have been at least half decent. It seems we're not too bothered about developing younger players for a couple of seasons. I would much rather the likes of Allen-Page,Peters, Blackman,Fieldwick,Rhodes etc were given a chance to develop next season than players like Jay Smith who clearly isn't good enough !!! The smaller the squad we're going to have under MA the less chance we have of blooding youngsters. As for Blackman and Fieldwick I've heard they're on loan with no recall clauses and out of contract in the summer, so they won't be back !!!

I'm afraid it's a different game, youth team football and first team football. We may win a championship at youth team level, but you dont get many lads making the next level. It's sad but fact, the lads that have left us go with our best wishes.