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Sam Saunders

Congratulations Sam looks like you are the new GPG scapegoat. Don't worry though, most of the previous holders of this revered title have done well.
 

Sam Saunders

Sam looks dead and buried, he has many times before IMO, he'll put an important free kick in and go on a run, he always does, doesn't he? I agree that we have better players but he normally finds some form from somewhere.
 

Sam Saunders

Saunders still has a role to play ....people forget that Forrester and Forshaw are just kids and whilst we all love the skill and potential they have they will suffer downturns in form and inconsistencies , sometimes youngsters just need a rest and thats where Saunders can fit in.(don't forget injuries as well) Preston away was always going to be tough for our 'flair' players and to judge Saunders on one display is frankly ridiculous I wasn't there but by all accounts Forrester and Forshaw struggled as well....keep calm everyone Saunders will , when fit, have some more good games and score goals for us.
 

Sam Saunders

IMO Sam still has something to give.
 

Sam Saunders

He's short of game time this season. Don't write Sam off yet.
 

Sam Saunders

nick logan said:
Congratulations Sam looks like you are the new GPG scapegoat. Don't worry though, most of the previous holders of this revered title have done well.
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100% agree. Sam has been been the critics scapegoat before and came back to prove them wrong. He's a very good player who's just a bit short of match time at the moment......he'll come good again.
 

Sam Saunders

nick logan said:
Congratulations Sam looks like you are the new GPG scapegoat. Don't worry though, most of the previous holders of this revered title have done well.
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Would like to see Dallas given a chance ahead of him,think we all know what Sam's game is all about.
 

Sam Saunders

Sam proved he is capable at end of last season and has upped his work rate as a player

Hasn't played particularly well this season but still an important part of our squad
 

Sam Saunders

I think Sam Saunders has a huge part to play thus season. Any free kick situation- the way he chases lost causes- proved it when he harried in the corner v Carlisle and kept the ball well. Definatley someone doing his bit for the team. Certainly has quality. Why would we be better off releasing him? Madness!
 

Sam Saunders

Proved himself before and have no doubt he will again. We know his game is not based upon pace but generally speaking would never fault him for effort, even if not always productive.

He has a lot of competition in front of him and perhaps would benefit from a few games in the dev squad to get his game back on song

As others have said it is a long winter and injuries, suspensions and dips in form will necessitate Sam being called upon

To write him off at this juncture seems somewhat ridiculous unless he is sold and the money reinvested on better. Don't forget the likes of Sheffield were interested and speaking to a Stevenage supporter they would bite our hands off to get him!!!
 

Sam Saunders

To Bee Someone said:
He is a confidence player who thrives on getting games under his belt. The problem is that the likes of Harry, Adam and to some extent Toumani and Douglas are keeping him out of the team.

I still think Saunders has a part to play over the course of the season once suspensions, injuries and/or general fitness take their toll
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Exactly the way I see it. Apologies if my previous post sounded harsh, and I do respect other people's views on here. SS is definatly behind the players you have mentioned in the pecking order.
 

Sam Saunders

The Pipe said:
Proved himself before and have no doubt he will again. We know his game is not based upon pace but generally speaking would never fault him for effort, even if not always productive.

He has a lot of competition in front of him and perhaps would benefit from a few games in the dev squad to get his game back on song

As others have said it is a long winter and injuries, suspensions and dips in form will necessitate Sam being called upon

To write him off at this juncture seems somewhat ridiculous unless he is sold and the money reinvested on better. Don't forget the likes of Sheffield were interested and speaking to a Stevenage supporter they would bite our hands off to get him!!!
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Wonder if the Stevenage manager has the same opinion as the supporter.I know a Brentford supporter who would bite your hand off to get him off our books ....means nothing in the real world.
 

Sam Saunders

Les Beeavinu said:
I would say he is a 6th choice midfielder now. I can't envisage a situation where he might be selected through choice in any of the midfield positions - I don't see the point in keeping a well paid 29 year old in those circumstances.
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On the flip side, if Forshaw was to be moved into the centre or to get injured, then Sam would surely be first name on the list to go on the right? Also when you play 5 central midfielders in a 4-5-1 away from home, your 6th choice is next in the list.

I'd be fuming if we let him go in January and it would come back to bite us in the arse, as he would bang them in for another team.
 
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Sam Saunders

We won't let him go. That's a retrograde move. Please stop scape goating him. The weakest link now is officially Craig Pead. Please start s'goating him on his thread. Thank you in advance.
 

Sam Saunders

scape·goat   [skeyp-goht]
noun
1.
a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.
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Can someone point me towards the posts that cast Sam as a scapegoat please?
 

Sam Saunders

nick logan said:
Congratulations Sam looks like you are the new GPG scapegoat. Don't worry though, most of the previous holders of this revered title have done well.
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You're right Nick, I recall he was written off after Charlton away two seasons ago and he's still here. In my opinion Sam seems to flourish when he's had a run of games, this season he played poorly against Walsall and has struggled to earn a place in the starting line up. The diamond formation seemed to suit him at the back end of last season when he played through the middle with his head up and he was pulling the strings. He lacks pace and he isn't physically strong like Tom A so falls between categories but on his day is a matchwinner and very decent footballer at this level.

It's catch 22 for me - His big selling point is his delivery from set pieces and to maintain the high standards we became accustomed to he has to be playing, in form and confident to try but of late he's had limited game time and almost seems to be trying too hard to prove himself and as a result the magic hasn't happened and his confidence has dipped and we have an ineffective player on our hands.
It's happened before and he's worked hard and we've sen the benefit, just not sure how much we mis him anymore with the quality midfielders available to us this season.
 

Sam Saunders

I've always been a big fan of Sam - still am. I don't know him but I feel that a) he needs to be wanted; and b) he needs to have good run in the side, to be at his best.

There were games last season where he was outstanding. I hope he gets the opportunity to re-discover his form.
 

Sam Saunders

Kettering Bee said:
I've always been a big fan of Sam - still am. I don't know him but I feel that a) he needs to be wanted; and b) he needs to have good run in the side, to be at his best.

There were games last season where he was outstanding. I hope he gets the opportunity to re-discover his form.
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Agree Sam has shone at times and is still a useful squad player. But in the recent run of games you could argue that Forshaw and Forrester have been or close to being outstanding. These two look capable of playing at the level we want to get to (Championship) so it's no surprise to seem them ahead of Sam in the pecking order.

If they stay in form then it'll be a while before Sam is starting for us. Only injuries or suspensions will give him a chance. So as Les said he'll be a squad player at best and may hanker after a move away and regular football.
 

Sam Saunders

The Joker said:
Agree Sam has shone at times and is still a useful squad player. But in the recent run of games you could argue that Forshaw and Forrester have been or close to being outstanding. These two look capable of playing at the level we want to get to (Championship) so it's no surprise to seem them ahead of Sam in the pecking order.

If they stay in form then it'll be a while before Sam is starting for us. Only injuries or suspensions will give him a chance. So as Les said he'll be a squad player at best and may hanker after a move away and regular football.
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Yes, my point is that I would rather see a younger player in that situation who might bust a gut to improve rather than a seasoned professional who is likely to get frustrated (and unhappy) or worse, hang on and let his contract run down. We have seen both and neither are good situations. That's why I said it might be best for both parties.
 

Sam Saunders

The Joker said:
Agree Sam has shone at times and is still a useful squad player. But in the recent run of games you could argue that Forshaw and Forrester have been or close to being outstanding. These two look capable of playing at the level we want to get to (Championship) so it's no surprise to seem them ahead of Sam in the pecking order.

If they stay in form then it'll be a while before Sam is starting for us. Only injuries or suspensions will give him a chance. So as Les said he'll be a squad player at best and may hanker after a move away and regular football.
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Think the club made the ultimate wanted statement when they gave him a new extended improved contract.Its down to him now as his form has gone down since that time.Harry has had to do a lot more to finally get a starting place in the side something Uwe may live to regret if he's off at the end of season or signs a pre contract with another club in January which he could do.
 

Sam Saunders

Les Beeavinu said:
Yes, my point is that I would rather see a younger player in that situation who might bust a gut to improve rather than a seasoned professional who is likely to get frustrated (and unhappy) or worse, hang on and let his contract run down. We have seen both and neither are good situations. That's why I said it might be best for both parties.
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If Sam wants to go then fair enough, but I don't think that would be benefical to Brentford. Also your being a bit presumptious (sp?) there as Sam has worked hard to get into the team having been frozen out in the past, so maybe he will do it again. He looked superb in the JPT game and when he was injured I believe he was on beesworld, which demonstrates a fantastic attitude.

He has been unlucky not to be in the starting 11 this season (albeit partially down to injury) and I think he will work hard again. I don't think anyone would have noticed that he had a poor game on Saturday if he hadn't featured so little previously as lets face it Forresster was annoymous on Saturday but because he's been on fire it's just labelled a bad game.
 

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Holysmit said:
If Sam wants to go then fair enough, but I don't think that would be benefical to Brentford. Also your being a bit presumptious (sp?) there as Sam has worked hard to get into the team having been frozen out in the past, so maybe he will do it again. He looked superb in the JPT game and when he was injured I believe he was on beesworld, which demonstrates a fantastic attitude.

He has been unlucky not to be in the starting 11 this season (albeit partially down to injury) and I think he will work hard again. I don't think anyone would have noticed that he had a poor game on Saturday if he hadn't featured so little previously as lets face it Forresster was annoymous on Saturday but because he's been on fire it's just labelled a bad game.
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Why has he been unlucky?Didnt go Saturday but most who did said Harry had a bad game and got hooked so what how many bad games has he had?Sam is not in Forresters class IMHO not that bothered if he left in order for us to release some funds for another striker as we still have a young talent in Dallas waiting in the wings.Not making Sam a scapegoat though whatever that was all about
 

Sam Saunders

Holysmit said:
If Sam wants to go then fair enough, but I don't think that would be benefical to Brentford. Also your being a bit presumptious (sp?) there as Sam has worked hard to get into the team having been frozen out in the past, so maybe he will do it again. He looked superb in the JPT game and when he was injured I believe he was on beesworld, which demonstrates a fantastic attitude.

He has been unlucky not to be in the starting 11 this season (albeit partially down to injury) and I think he will work hard again. I don't think anyone would have noticed that he had a poor game on Saturday if he hadn't featured so little previously as lets face it Forresster was annoymous on Saturday but because he's been on fire it's just labelled a bad game.
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There is only one ''s'' in Forrester. Thought I'd tell you before SmiffyBee had a go at ya,lol.
 

Sam Saunders

Bill Benn said:
Why has he been unlucky?Didnt go Saturday but most who did said Harry had a bad game and got hooked so what how many bad games has he had?Sam is not in Forresters class IMHO not that bothered if he left in order for us to release some funds for another striker as we still have a young talent in Dallas waiting in the wings.Not making Sam a scapegoat though whatever that was all about
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Unlucky not to get game time, because he got injured at the start of the season and that Uwe has decided to play Forshaw on the right in his absence, I'm certain Sam would have started reguarily if it wasn't for that injury.
 

Sam Saunders

Holysmit said:
Unlucky not to get game time, because he got injured at the start of the season and that Uwe has decided to play Forshaw on the right in his absence, I'm certain Sam would have started reguarily if it wasn't for that injury.
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In place of who?
 

Sam Saunders

Bill Benn said:
In place of who?
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I would like to think he would have been on the right, with Douglas and Foreshaw in the middle next to Forrester on the left, if we had two upfront.

For the games where we had five in the middle it would have been Saunders Douglas Foreshaw and Forrester with one of Adeyemi or Toumani.

So it would have been for Toumani at the start of the season - and we MAY not have signed Adeyemi.
 

Sam Saunders

Sam's done nothing to get a position wide right; just too slow and the pace of the game dries up when he's come on. He was given the free midfield role behind a lone striker but did not seem to make much of that either. He's got a place in the squad but I'm afraid it's on the bench.
 

Sam Saunders

Holysmit said:
I would like to think he would have been on the right, with Douglas and Foreshaw in the middle next to Forrester on the left, if we had two upfront.

For the games where we had five in the middle it would have been Saunders Douglas Foreshaw and Forrester with one of Adeyemi or Toumani.

So it would have been for Toumani at the start of the season - and we MAY not have signed Adeyemi.
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Fair point but and only seen Sam playing in a 5 with Forrester working and that was away at Preston last season.As like most on here agree we need to have 2 upfront home and away and in a 442 so can't see many starting opportunities for him even with Adeyemi out
 

Sam Saunders

Bill Benn said:
Fair point but and only seen Sam playing in a 5 with Forrester working and that was away at Preston last season.As like most on here agree we need to have 2 upfront home and away and in a 442 so can't see many starting opportunities for him even with Adeyemi out
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I think he'll get a run at some point, as I think Harry will need a break at some point due to it being his first full season effectively.

In fact January could be cruical after a busy Xmas period.
 

Sam Saunders

.............yep,did well when he came on .............onwards and upwards...............
 

Sam Saunders

Very poor last night, I think he knows his time at gp is rapidly coming to an end
 

Sam Saunders

I thought he had a decent game. Not as direct as Forrester or Dallas but kept the ball well and brought others into the game.
 

Sam Saunders

Guildford Bee said:
I thought he had a decent game. Not as direct as Forrester or Dallas but kept the ball well and brought others into the game.
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For me, it's where he fits into the side now that's the problem. He lacks the pace to play out wide, and his inclination to drift inside can leave us very narrow, but there are better options through the middle.
 

Sam Saunders

..............we now have Douglas,Forshaw and Jake who can take a decent free kick,Dallas and Forrester can take a decent corner...............hard to find a spot for Sam now............Dallas corner kicks today were exceptional...........
 

Sam Saunders

It's a shame MK Dons are looking at bringing in Ryan Harley! Or is there room for another?!!
 
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