Stuart Attwell

Stuart Attwell

Just sent this to the powers that be - suggest we all do although it won't make a scrap of difference. Made me feel better though.

Dear Sir,



As I sit down to write this letter I am painfully aware that the powers that be in football have little or no regard for the piffling inconvenienceswho plague the game - ie the fans - and as such am only to aware that I will probably get no response from your offices.

That said I felt I had to write regarding the performance of Stuart Attwell at the Brentford v Notts County game last Saturday and your, frankly, incredible decision to condone his incompetence.

I was at the game which was wrecked as a spectacle eight minutes in by one of the worst decisions I have ever seen on a football field from a man who clearly has no concept of how the modern game is played.

Nathan Elder's sending off, by the same man who 'saw' a goal when 15,000 other people didn't, was beyond belief at the time and meant the thousands who paid to watch the game were cheated of a genuine game of football.

I was, foolishly as it turned out, quite relaxed about the whole thing and felt the disciplinary body would rescind the red card on watching the video as I have done repeatedly.

Given the evidence - Elder back-peddling, watching the ball, the defender attacking it and the reaction of Edwards team-mates to the clash and aftermath - there was in a legal sense no case to answer.

Your panel - presumably made up of gin soaked old duffers anxious to get to their gentlemens' clubs - felt differently. No surprise there because it was ever thus with a body seemingly hell bent on alienating itself from the paying fan.

At the age of 40-plus I have watched the game for decades, played representative football and still play three times a week and know a foul when I see one.

Elder's was not a foul as I'm sure your panel, were they not so determined to protect gaffe-prone Mr Attwell, would agree.

But politics are at play here and it's only Brentford who will suffer. Were it Manchester United or Liverpool, the game would have gone on with a free kick given and nothing more.

I'm sick of the way the football authorities treat fans and lower league with utter contempt...I suggest you get our house in order before you have no game to pass ludcrous decisions on.
And start by taking a long hard look at Mr Attwell before he starts to cost people their jobs.



Yours Sincerely,



Jim Levack
 

Stuart Attwell

Scandalous......I hope the media pick up on this and take it further.
Surely Sky or the Beeb can show just how incompetent he is.
Can we go to a higher group ??? Good old Septic Bladder for instance ?
 

Stuart Attwell

Common sense never seems to prevail in these situations. The FA are a joke and are gradually destroying the game we all love.
 

Stuart Attwell

We have decided not to support anything the FA have to do with or get their dirty little hands on.

Where possible we will not spend a penny on anything that goes towards their coffers apart from matches our team has in the FA cup. Therefore no England games, no kits etc
 

Stuart Attwell

JimLevack said:
Just sent this to the powers that be - suggest we all do although it won't make a scrap of difference. Made me feel better though.

Dear Sir,



As I sit down to write this letter I am painfully aware that the powers that be in football have little or no regard for the piffling inconvenienceswho plague the game - ie the fans - and as such am only to aware that I will probably get no response from your offices.

That said I felt I had to write regarding the performance of Stuart Attwell at the Brentford v Notts County game last Saturday and your, frankly, incredible decision to condone his incompetence.

I was at the game which was wrecked as a spectacle eight minutes in by one of the worst decisions I have ever seen on a football field from a man who clearly has no concept of how the modern game is played.

Nathan Elder's sending off, by the same man who 'saw' a goal when 15,000 other people didn't, was beyond belief at the time and meant the thousands who paid to watch the game were cheated of a genuine game of football.

I was, foolishly as it turned out, quite relaxed about the whole thing and felt the disciplinary body would rescind the red card on watching the video as I have done repeatedly.

Given the evidence - Elder back-peddling, watching the ball, the defender attacking it and the reaction of Edwards team-mates to the clash and aftermath - there was in a legal sense no case to answer.

Your panel - presumably made up of gin soaked old duffers anxious to get to their gentlemens' clubs - felt differently. No surprise there because it was ever thus with a body seemingly hell bent on alienating itself from the paying fan.

At the age of 40-plus I have watched the game for decades, played representative football and still play three times a week and know a foul when I see one.

Elder's was not a foul as I'm sure your panel, were they not so determined to protect gaffe-prone Mr Attwell, would agree.

But politics are at play here and it's only Brentford who will suffer. Were it Manchester United or Liverpool, the game would have gone on with a free kick given and nothing more.

I'm sick of the way the football authorities treat fans and lower league with utter contempt...I suggest you get our house in order before you have no game to pass ludcrous decisions on.
And start by taking a long hard look at Mr Attwell before he starts to cost people their jobs.



Yours Sincerely,



Jim Levack
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Good letter Jim,can you share the reply with us (if you get one}just seen a report from donny v chelt game another poor display from this clown.
 

Stuart Attwell

'you should have tayed in the tunnel'

f*cking c*nt
 

Stuart Attwell

I've just watched the Shrewsbury sending off and I cannot work out how they have overturned that decision but not Elder's....it wasn't the worst challenge in the world but he did go in high with his studs showing. How can the FA completely rescind that card but uphold Elder's? I am at a total loss. With the penalty decision up at Notts County in the first game, we have been absolutely robbed....shocking.
 

Stuart Attwell

JimLevack said:
Just sent this to the powers that be - suggest we all do although it won't make a scrap of difference. Made me feel better though.

Dear Sir,



As I sit down to write this letter I am painfully aware that the powers that be in football have little or no regard for the piffling inconvenienceswho plague the game - ie the fans - and as such am only to aware that I will probably get no response from your offices.

That said I felt I had to write regarding the performance of Stuart Attwell at the Brentford v Notts County game last Saturday and your, frankly, incredible decision to condone his incompetence.

I was at the game which was wrecked as a spectacle eight minutes in by one of the worst decisions I have ever seen on a football field from a man who clearly has no concept of how the modern game is played.

Nathan Elder's sending off, by the same man who 'saw' a goal when 15,000 other people didn't, was beyond belief at the time and meant the thousands who paid to watch the game were cheated of a genuine game of football.

I was, foolishly as it turned out, quite relaxed about the whole thing and felt the disciplinary body would rescind the red card on watching the video as I have done repeatedly.

Given the evidence - Elder back-peddling, watching the ball, the defender attacking it and the reaction of Edwards team-mates to the clash and aftermath - there was in a legal sense no case to answer.

Your panel - presumably made up of gin soaked old duffers anxious to get to their gentlemens' clubs - felt differently. No surprise there because it was ever thus with a body seemingly hell bent on alienating itself from the paying fan.

At the age of 40-plus I have watched the game for decades, played representative football and still play three times a week and know a foul when I see one.

Elder's was not a foul as I'm sure your panel, were they not so determined to protect gaffe-prone Mr Attwell, would agree.

But politics are at play here and it's only Brentford who will suffer. Were it Manchester United or Liverpool, the game would have gone on with a free kick given and nothing more.

I'm sick of the way the football authorities treat fans and lower league with utter contempt...I suggest you get our house in order before you have no game to pass ludcrous decisions on.
And start by taking a long hard look at Mr Attwell before he starts to cost people their jobs.



Yours Sincerely,



Jim Levack
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Spot on Jim, but don't hold your breath for a relpy that makes any sense.

:wave: :sorted:
 

Stuart Attwell

JimLevack said:
Just sent this to the powers that be - suggest we all do although it won't make a scrap of difference. Made me feel better though.

Dear Sir,



As I sit down to write this letter I am painfully aware that the powers that be in football have little or no regard for the piffling inconvenienceswho plague the game - ie the fans - and as such am only to aware that I will probably get no response from your offices.

That said I felt I had to write regarding the performance of Stuart Attwell at the Brentford v Notts County game last Saturday and your, frankly, incredible decision to condone his incompetence.

I was at the game which was wrecked as a spectacle eight minutes in by one of the worst decisions I have ever seen on a football field from a man who clearly has no concept of how the modern game is played.

Nathan Elder's sending off, by the same man who 'saw' a goal when 15,000 other people didn't, was beyond belief at the time and meant the thousands who paid to watch the game were cheated of a genuine game of football.

I was, foolishly as it turned out, quite relaxed about the whole thing and felt the disciplinary body would rescind the red card on watching the video as I have done repeatedly.

Given the evidence - Elder back-peddling, watching the ball, the defender attacking it and the reaction of Edwards team-mates to the clash and aftermath - there was in a legal sense no case to answer.

Your panel - presumably made up of gin soaked old duffers anxious to get to their gentlemens' clubs - felt differently. No surprise there because it was ever thus with a body seemingly hell bent on alienating itself from the paying fan.

At the age of 40-plus I have watched the game for decades, played representative football and still play three times a week and know a foul when I see one.

Elder's was not a foul as I'm sure your panel, were they not so determined to protect gaffe-prone Mr Attwell, would agree.

But politics are at play here and it's only Brentford who will suffer. Were it Manchester United or Liverpool, the game would have gone on with a free kick given and nothing more.

I'm sick of the way the football authorities treat fans and lower league with utter contempt...I suggest you get our house in order before you have no game to pass ludcrous decisions on.
And start by taking a long hard look at Mr Attwell before he starts to cost people their jobs.



Yours Sincerely,



Jim Levack
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Excellent letter Jim, but I would have also liked to have asked them why they decided to support that idiot Attwell and take action over this incident that was witnessed by 5.5K spectators live yet totally ignore the abusive, obscene and disrespectful outbursts towards Howard Webb from that great role model Wayne Rooney in the Chelsea match two weeks ago, a game watched live by millions around the world. Clearly the FA must have some sort of agenda.
 

Stuart Attwell

JimLevack said:
Just sent this to the powers that be - suggest we all do although it won't make a scrap of difference. Made me feel better though.

Dear Sir,



As I sit down to write this letter I am painfully aware that the powers that be in football have little or no regard for the piffling inconvenienceswho plague the game - ie the fans - and as such am only to aware that I will probably get no response from your offices.

That said I felt I had to write regarding the performance of Stuart Attwell at the Brentford v Notts County game last Saturday and your, frankly, incredible decision to condone his incompetence.

I was at the game which was wrecked as a spectacle eight minutes in by one of the worst decisions I have ever seen on a football field from a man who clearly has no concept of how the modern game is played.

Nathan Elder's sending off, by the same man who 'saw' a goal when 15,000 other people didn't, was beyond belief at the time and meant the thousands who paid to watch the game were cheated of a genuine game of football.

I was, foolishly as it turned out, quite relaxed about the whole thing and felt the disciplinary body would rescind the red card on watching the video as I have done repeatedly.

Given the evidence - Elder back-peddling, watching the ball, the defender attacking it and the reaction of Edwards team-mates to the clash and aftermath - there was in a legal sense no case to answer.

Your panel - presumably made up of gin soaked old duffers anxious to get to their gentlemens' clubs - felt differently. No surprise there because it was ever thus with a body seemingly hell bent on alienating itself from the paying fan.

At the age of 40-plus I have watched the game for decades, played representative football and still play three times a week and know a foul when I see one.

Elder's was not a foul as I'm sure your panel, were they not so determined to protect gaffe-prone Mr Attwell, would agree.

But politics are at play here and it's only Brentford who will suffer. Were it Manchester United or Liverpool, the game would have gone on with a free kick given and nothing more.

I'm sick of the way the football authorities treat fans and lower league with utter contempt...I suggest you get our house in order before you have no game to pass ludcrous decisions on.
And start by taking a long hard look at Mr Attwell before he starts to cost people their jobs.



Yours Sincerely,



Jim Levack
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Good letter but they will have stopped taking you seriously at 'gin soaked old duffers' Im afraid.
 

Stuart Attwell

wibs said:
Good letter but they will have stopped taking you seriously at 'gin soaked old duffers' Im afraid.
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My exact thoughts too....was unecessary :grey:. Rest of the letter was great though
 

Stuart Attwell

Have to be honest and say that I am not surprised that they rejected the appeal. It seems to me that common sense is in short supply at these hearings and they will do everything possible to come down on the side of the poor old referee.

Then they will start saying that the respect campaign is necessary and all clubs should support it. That's absolutely true, but they don't seem to understand that respect is a two way thing and not just there to protect the referee.
 

Stuart Attwell

Alan D said:
Have to be honest and say that I am not surprised that they rejected the appeal. It seems to me that common sense is in short supply at these hearings and they will do everything possible to come down on the side of the poor old referee.

Then they will start saying that the respect campaign is necessary and all clubs should support it. That's absolutely true, but they don't seem to understand that respect is a two way thing and not just there to protect the referee.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gavinstrachan/2009/01/from_joy_to_despair.html

I thkink Strachan makes a good point at the end of this blog
 

Stuart Attwell

Anyone else get a note back explaining the process for how the appeal is made and who makes up the panel, with 2 lines at the end saying everything was done correctly?

Waste of time i guess, they will keep supporting this clown
 

Stuart Attwell

eghambee said:
Anyone else get a note back explaining the process for how the appeal is made and who makes up the panel, with 2 lines at the end saying everything was done correctly?

Waste of time i guess, they will keep supporting this clown
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They will always have an automatic response, but you can all but try.

They might get fed up with the amount of letters/emails they recieve eventually.

Everyone should send their letters and emails to the same email address/postal address.
 

Stuart Attwell

Sky Sports is the best bet. They would love a chance to have a go at this idiot ref.
 

Stuart Attwell

Stuart Attwell

Claire said:
They will always have an automatic response, but you can all but try.

They might get fed up with the amount of letters/emails they recieve eventually.

Everyone should send their letters and emails to the same email address/postal address.
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What are the addresses ?
 

Stuart Attwell

I just spoke to someone at the FA and they have had 'a lot of e-mails' about Nathan Elder and he told me that the sending off was reviewed by an 'independent tribunal' who decided to turn down the appeal. It is - apparently - up to the club to prove Nathan's innocence, i.e. you are guilty until proven innocent and whatever was provided was not sufficient to get the independent tribunal to change the outcome.

I'd love to know who that independent tribunal were and what their footballing experience is.
 

Stuart Attwell

Lokster said:
I'd love to know who that independent tribunal were and what their footballing experience is.
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probably a collective of Ewoks, and the Endor National League :rolleyes:
 

Stuart Attwell

Does Gary Newbon still do the SKY phone in?

He is often at the Greyhound Awards Dinner and I've chatted with him before about football. Its on this Sunday evening and if he's there I'll make sure he knows what a hopeless and attention seeking little w***** Attwell is and to be sure he'll be hearing more about him in the future.
 

Stuart Attwell

Lokster said:
I just spoke to someone at the FA and they have had 'a lot of e-mails' about Nathan Elder and he told me that the sending off was reviewed by an 'independent tribunal' who decided to turn down the appeal. It is - apparently - up to the club to prove Nathan's innocence, i.e. you are guilty until proven innocent and whatever was provided was not sufficient to get the independent tribunal to change the outcome.

I'd love to know who that independent tribunal were and what their footballing experience is.
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Their members are drawn from a Judicial Panel, which comprises three categories of individuals: FA Council members; individuals with football experience (e.g. former players, referees, managers, etc.) and specialists (e.g. lawyers, accountants, arbitrators, etc.). The specific composition of each Commission is determined by the Judicial Panel Chairman. Commissions are generally comprised of four members, including one from the “football panel”.

I read this as being a panel with at most one from the first group, who could have been a referee.:sorted:
 

Stuart Attwell

# 27: 10:38 am PST, Jan 20, Nathan Elder, United Kingdom
The man is a joke.

Quality!
 

Stuart Attwell

eghambee said:
Their members are drawn from a Judicial Panel, which comprises three categories of individuals: FA Council members; individuals with football experience (e.g. former players, referees, managers, etc.) and specialists (e.g. lawyers, accountants, arbitrators, etc.). The specific composition of each Commission is determined by the Judicial Panel Chairman. Commissions are generally comprised of four members, including one from the “football panel”.

I read this as being a panel with at most one from the first group, who could have been a referee.:sorted:
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Which basically means a Commission of four members, only one of which is likely to have any f***ing clue about how the game is played. What a f***ing farce. :sad:
 

Stuart Attwell

"This ref in particular has had enough problems as it is, and not overturning Nathan's appeal has saved him from an investigation."

Every thing falls in to place.
 

Stuart Attwell

In tonights evening standard theres a small article calling attwell a blunderbox and accident prone ,shame the gun wasnt used to put all football fans out of their pain with all his future cock ups ,F A have a lot to answer for????????????
 

Stuart Attwell

londondude said:
Email i got from the FL

Thank you for your email.
We will ensure that Professional Game Match Officials - the body responsible for the management and administration of match officials – are made aware of your views.

We receive numerous queries and complaints regarding individual referee's decisions and their overall performance. Although we are unable to respond on each individual incident, we can advise that the performances of all officials are constantly monitored by way of club and assessor reports, the match video or DVD and, at some grounds, the Prozone statistics. The match is also analysed by the Referees' Manager, referee's coach and the referee and, despite the perception of some, match officials are most accountable for their performance.

Referees make their decision based on years of training and experience and what they see at that moment in time, from a position different from anyone else in the ground - he can only act on what he sees, assisted by the other match officials and not everyone will agree with the decisions he takes.

Contrary to expectations, the Referees' Manager will not attempt to support a referee out of sheer loyalty (Really). It is his responsibility through PGMO to identify training needs of not only individual referees but also of all National Group match officials.

The Manager also works with his group in a bid to constantly improve standards in a game which has become faster and more frenetic over recent years. Every match is recorded and referees are under closer scrutiny than ever before.

Thank you for contacting The Football League with your view.

Yours sincerely
Mark Bradley
Customer Service
The Football League

I've bolded the thing i thought was funny!
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The thing is i wouldn't argue with any of that. The ref can only give what he sees, the (alledged) beauty of the system is that we are now offered hindsight to review mistakes to avoid a miscarriage of justice.

The annoyance is that these cretins live in a fkin bubble only visited once a decade by the toothe fairy and they are incapable of putting two thoughts together.

When you hear simon Jordan and neil warnock (gobshites I know, but only because thay are the only two brave enough to speak out) describe the appeals process then you realise how corrupt it all is.

I also read the same in one of the autobiographies I read (cant remember which one now as I have read so many)

To put it as brief as possible. When you get called up for a disripute charge you are told to turn up at a certain time. You are kept waiting for hours in the reception, eventually you are invited into a room to sit in front of several fat pigs who have just stuffed their faces on a 3 course meal and guzzled the port. You are then told you are getting a ban and a fine and you have to pay expenses. The expenses consist of the travel and the entertainment bill of the fat pigs you have just met. You have no recourse or recrimination to this and you have to walk out, smile at the press and say "it was a fair hearing and i accept the punishment". If you do not say that you have to go back again.
 

Stuart Attwell

The incident was on Sky Sports News around half five. Unfortunately the sound is off at work so couldnt hear what was being said, but Georgie Thomson had a bit of a chuckle.
 

Stuart Attwell

Porgey said:
The incident was on Sky Sports News around half five. Unfortunately the sound is off at work so couldnt hear what was being said, but Georgie Thomson had a bit of a chuckle.
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She's Fulham
 

Stuart Attwell

She is dating Dec now so she has blown her chance with me.
 

Stuart Attwell

5 Live tonight 20:00

Schedule said:
Graham Poll joins Mark Saggers to assess the impact of the FA's respect campaign and the performance of football referees this season.
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Maybe time for some fans' input?
 

Stuart Attwell

OK, maybe I was a bit premature!
 

Stuart Attwell

Heard this coming home from work...Greg spoke well and its fair to say tw*ttwell is under even more pressure. Good texts in from Bees fans -Worst ever seen refereeing display" :)
 

Stuart Attwell

RitchBee said:
Dominic Holland is due on the Hawksby & Jacobs show shortly.....good time to bring up the subject of tw*twell on national radio
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There was a comment about a woman who took her parrot (there are some strange people out there) to a game and it started imitating the whistle.

Not sure whether it was Hawksby or Jacobs, but they made the comment that the parrot would be better than tw*twell.rofl
 

Stuart Attwell

I feel a lot better now I've written to the FA about incompetence in refereeing and the appeals procedure :mad1:

Looking forward to seeing 2 Charlie Macdonalds at Macclesfield :)
 

Stuart Attwell

If so many people in the media clearly know Attwell made a bad decision and are pointing out that the FA is making themselves look even worse by backing him, thus undermining their own processes for the sake of their young FIFA starlet, why don't they just admit they've got it wrong?
I'm sure if it was a West Ham player this would all have been sorted in time for him to play in their important cup match tomorrow.
 

Stuart Attwell

VTG said:
If so many people in the media clearly know Attwell made a bad decision and are pointing out that the FA is making themselves look even worse by backing him, thus undermining their own processes for the sake of their young FIFA starlet, why don't they just admit they've got it wrong?
I'm sure if it was a West Ham player this would all have been sorted in time for him to play in their important cup match tomorrow.
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:imwith:
 
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