Stuart Dallas - Old thread

[Cham]

Sam will always be solid. The advantage of playing him today is due to his dead ball skills. However, Dallas is one for the future, and his performance today was the culmination of Uwe's great management of a young, foreign player. Think he'll be on the bench on Tues.

 

[Bookham Bee]

Dallas certainly raised the tempo of the game - a very timely substitution. Seems to be a busy player that makes things happen - reminded me a bit of Wood. Lets hope Dallas gets more game time.

 

[Balders Bee]

Have liked the look of this player every time he's been given game time. Direct, pace takes up good positions and his record indicates an eye for goal. Young lad who will do very well for us.

 

[Holysmit]

I ****ing love Sam Saunders, but Dallas along with Adeyemi made such a difference today. He was absolutley top class today and without him and Adeyemi, I think we would have drawn today as Sam and Jake created nothing for us today.

 

[Debbee]

After reading how well Stuart played yesterday, I really think Dallas has earned the right to make at least the subs bench on Tuesday. :yes:

 

[love and mercy]

first timeI had seen him very impressed

 

[guildfordbee]

After reading how well Stuart played yesterday, I really think Dallas has earned the right to make at least the subs bench on Tuesday. :yes:

If I were you Debbee, I would stay away from this whole Dallas thread. You will only kick them off!

 

[Debbee]

If I were you Debbee, I would stay away from this whole Dallas thread. You will only kick them off!

Thanks for the advice but that was so last month if not last decade.

I really think he should be in the first team squad now on a regular basis.

 

[guildfordbee]

Thanks for the advice but that was so last month if not last decade.

I really think he should be in the first team squad now on a regular basis.

You are not alone, he is well ahead in the MOM poll and not a bad word said in the walk away from the ground

 

[hanworthbee]

He did well when he came on but to say he should be first name on the team sheet is rather OTT..he isnt going to replace Forshaw who is in RM.Dallas will be in the squad and is good for a cameo near the end to add pace and drive like yesterday

 

[TuckerBee]

He did well when he came on but to say he should be first name on the team sheet is rather OTT..he isnt going to replace Forshaw who is in RM.Dallas will be in the squad and is good for a cameo near the end to add pace and drive like yesterday

Exactly this some people need to get some perspective every result / performance seems to get some sort of over reaction on these forums.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Dallas did well yesterday for 20 minutes, and looks promising, but I saw him up at Shrewsbury for 60 minutes ans was unable to make any impact. He is a work in progress to be used at the right time. We should not go overboard, but he did make a difference yesterday, and good to have him as an option. Dont see him as first choice, will need time to develop his potential. He does not need all the added pressure that will be lumped on him now every time he performs.

 

[jlove]

The one thing that Dallas brings is the direct way he plays. This is sadly lacking in most of the team and in many games we need pace and movement to avoid opposition defences time to get organised. Harry tries but seldom looks for the pass while Sam is almost guaranteed to stop, do a turn and then pass backwards. The starting midfield yesterday could be said to be very attacking but it was easily dominated by closing down with diciplined defending. Dallas and Adeyemi caused to the whole team to up a gear. I think we will see more careful use of young Stuart in the next few games.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

He did well when he came on but to say he should be first name on the team sheet is rather OTT..he isnt going to replace Forshaw who is in RM.Dallas will be in the squad and is good for a cameo near the end to add pace and drive like yesterday

Completely disagree with you, Adam Forshaw should be playing cm, imo he is wasted on the right. Dallas IMo is more than just a cameo. He is one for the future, but if he is good enough now then play him. Dallas also has a good scoring record albeit in Northern Ireland . He obviously has something about him , otherwise we would not have signed him. I would much rather him than Saunders. I know a lot of fans like sam, but he does not do it for me. Another plus for Dallas , we signed him a year ago, he has patiently waited for his chance in a professional way. Maybe it is now his time.

 

[andyrew]

Impact sub who will inject vitality when required - just what you need at the end of a long season. Perhaps next season he'll be pushing for a regular start.

 

[hitchinb]

The one thing that Dallas brings is the direct way he plays. This is sadly lacking in most of the team and in many games we need pace and movement to avoid opposition defences time to get organised. Harry tries but seldom looks for the pass while Sam is almost guaranteed to stop, do a turn and then pass backwards. The starting midfield yesterday could be said to be very attacking but it was easily dominated by closing down with diciplined defending. Dallas and Adeyemi caused to the whole team to up a gear. I think we will see more careful use of young Stuart in the next few games.

Agree entirely.

 

[larrysigny]

Maybe not yet, but when Uwe thinks he's ready - play him on the right, allowing Doanldson to move back to the centre. They could make a good partnership.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Completely disagree with you, Adam Forshaw should be playing cm, imo he is wasted on the right. Dallas IMo is more than just a cameo. He is one for the future, but if he is good enough now then play him. Dallas also has a good scoring record albeit in Northern Ireland . He obviously has something about him , otherwise we would not have signed him. I would much rather him than Saunders. I know a lot of fans like sam, but he does not do it for me. Another plus for Dallas , we signed him a year ago, he has patiently waited for his chance in a professional way. Maybe it is now his time.

Really like the way that he attacks and think that we should move Adam into the centre, play Dallas out on th eright and Clayton with BWP. It would out the wind up most League 1 defences who are vulnerable against pace. Dallas' effort late on that dipped and their keeper managed to tip over showed that he can find the net.

 

[gwatson]

SD's performance yesterday clearly highlighted we now have a structure to identifty talented young players around the UK at an early stage and develop them into first team squad players quickly and seemlessly - this is going to be so significant for our future development. The performances this week resulting in 7points from 3games, will if continued lead us to to the Championship this season. What we need to appreciate is this has been achieved by having a first team squad - each player in their own right different, but able to compliment each other and perform within different systems for specific matches. For me this is the most significant progress this season - we should acknowledge all of our players and management and thank them for their contributions. Uwe will need to rotate players regularly, we need to support them and not lapse into negative criticism because team selection and player performance is not to an individual supporters fancy. Herr Rosler & team have given us a fine season thus far and long may it continue.

 

[Beat Poet]

It's that time in the season where the team will benefit from an extra dimension, in the shape of players like Dallas and Reeves. Farid and KOC are still to come back and make cameos as well.

 

[Humblebee]

Dallas is one for the future, and his performance today was the culmination of Uwe's great management of a young, foreign player. Think he'll be on the bench on Tues.

Foreign? He is from Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK. He was on the bench at Crawley last Tuesday too, although didn't come on.

 

[The Pipe]

Gwatson that is a most excellent post

 

[readingbee]

SD's performance yesterday clearly highlighted we now have a structure to identifty talented young players around the UK at an early stage and develop them into first team squad players quickly and seemlessly - this is going to be so significant for our future development. The performances this week resulting in 7points from 3games, will if continued lead us to to the Championship this season. What we need to appreciate is this has been achieved by having a first team squad - each player in their own right different, but able to compliment each other and perform within different systems for specific matches. For me this is the most significant progress this season - we should acknowledge all of our players and management and thank them for their contributions. Uwe will need to rotate players regularly, we need to support them and not lapse into negative criticism because team selection and player performance is not to an individual supporters fancy. Herr Rosler & team have given us a fine season thus far and long may it continue.

This is one of the best posts I have read on here for some time. I would suggest we all print it off and hand copies to the Numpties in the ground who slag the team off. Well said GW.

 

[Wooburn Bee]

Dallas did well yesterday for 20 minutes, and looks promising, but I saw him up at Shrewsbury for 60 minutes ans was unable to make any impact. He is a work in progress to be used at the right time. We should not go overboard, but he did make a difference yesterday, and good to have him as an option. Dont see him as first choice, will need time to develop his potential. He does not need all the added pressure that will be lumped on him now every time he performs.

Actually at Shrewsbury he was starting to get some joy down the right when he was subbed. But for this season I woud prefer he is used as an impact sub. Fresh legs will be key for the run in. Something we didnt have in the coppell year

 

[Big Seb]

I wonder if any others noticed that after the Dallas introduction he got more space as Harry was drawing two defenders and when Dallas moved over to the left wing their defense completely lost shape. I think the inclusion of Dallas may well help with Harry's return to form when we have two marauding wing attackers they can pull defenses apart and with Foreshore playing down the middle putting balls thru the center for the strikers to run onto.

 

[unBEEliveable]

We played Jake in the middle on Saturday with Douglas so there must be a case for, in certain games, having Adam and Douglas in the middle with Harry and Stuart on the wings. Not saying it is suitable for all matches but would love to see it tried...

 

[NorthamptonBee]

We played Jake in the middle on Saturday with Douglas so there must be a case for, in certain games, having Adam and Douglas in the middle with Harry and Stuart on the wings. Not saying it is suitable for all matches but would love to see it tried...

I'd love it, I reckon it's suitable for Stevenage and Carlisle away where the fans are all over their respective managers.

 

[sonofabee]

We played Jake in the middle on Saturday with Douglas so there must be a case for, in certain games, having Adam and Douglas in the middle with Harry and Stuart on the wings. Not saying it is suitable for all matches but would love to see it tried...

You're not wrong, it needs to be tried, worst case scenario and we don't have enough bite or are getting out muscled in midfield we throw on Tom A. If we can start a game on the front foot and get both wide men into the game, attacking their fullbacks and delivering service into Clayton and BWP I think we'd be a very tough team to live with.

 

[sgaz]

Heir Rosler speaks about wee Stuart here, so he does http://www.ealinggazette.co.uk/sport/allsport/2013/03/02/brentford-boss-explains-what-s-new-about-his-side-109642-32912832/

 

[NorthamptonBee]

You're not wrong, it needs to be tried, worst case scenario and we don't have enough bite or are getting out muscled in midfield we throw on Tom A. If we can start a game on the front foot and get both wide men into the game, attacking their fullbacks and delivering service into Clayton and BWP I think we'd be a very tough team to live with.

Especially tomorrow as IMO they are the worst team I've seen this season bar Chelsea at home. Having lost 6 on the trot, they are there for the taking, hit them early and they will crumble.

 

[sonofabee]

Especially tomorrow as IMO they are the worst team I've seen this season bar Chelsea at home. Having lost 6 on the trot, they are there for the taking, hit them early and they will crumble.

They were gash mate, reminded me of Rushden and Diamonds that year when they went into freefall just after MA joined. Stevenage looked like a Rymans side that Tuesday night and hope they're as bad tomorrow and improve drastically afterwards. They also had the biggest and possibly worst centre forward I've seen since Onandi Lowe at R+D - the German sounding bloke Haber or similar. 6 and half foot and he got outjumped by Harlee all night.

 

[gwatson]

The Pipe, ReadingBee & others thank you for your kind comments. Aren't we all just loving the style of football, quality of player, tactical awareness and SUCCESS we are having this season? It puts a warm glow in the nether region, lights up match days and fills us with equal measures of real hope and pride for now and the future. Also it feels very very sweet after a lifetime of hoping and waiting for the good times to come to our part London.

 

[sonofabee]

The Pipe, ReadingBee & others thank you for your kind comments. Aren't we all just loving the style of football, quality of player, tactical awareness and SUCCESS we are having this season? It puts a warm glow in the nether region, lights up match days and fills us with equal measures of real hope and pride for now and the future. Also it feels very very sweet after a lifetime of hoping and waiting for the good times to come to our part London.

Don't count them chickens just yet fella as we need to keep that winning habit going and get the feeling we will face tougher oppo in March. Unfortunately so many times I've been optimistic I'm guarded now but have to admit this squad is definitely good enough to get up based on what I've seen of the other contenders this year. Please God, it's our turn finally

 

[Kingston Bee]

I wonder if any others noticed that after the Dallas introduction he got more space as Harry was drawing two defenders and when Dallas moved over to the left wing their defense completely lost shape. I think the inclusion of Dallas may well help with Harry's return to form when we have two marauding wing attackers they can pull defenses apart and with Foreshore playing down the middle putting balls thru the center for the strikers to run onto.

I think it would also make a difference if we had a player on each wing with a bit of pace, can go past a defender etc etc. We have not had that luxery since Fredericks went back to Spurs. And with Dallas not getting a lot of game time/Forshaw playing in that area and often coming inside, has been a weak area for us imo. For a large part of the season Harry has been the only winger chosen so even if he swutches wings teams just double up on him.

 

[gwatson]

Don't count them chickens just yet fella as we need to keep that winning habit going and get the feeling we will face tougher oppo in March. Unfortunately so many times I've been optimistic I'm guarded now but have to admit this squad is definitely good enough to get up based on what I've seen of the other contenders this year. Please God, it's our turn finally

Only 'counting chickens' on what has happened since MB & UW have been at the healm - not promotion to the Championship. In fact, I will not be disappointed if we fail to go up this year as I believe we will enhance out chances of consolidationg in the higher division with the team having another year to develop in league one. Also my experiences in life have taught me that anything worth having and keeping usually takes time and considerable effort to acquire.

 

[R141]

In fact, I will not be disappointed if we fail to go up this year as I believe we will enhance out chances of consolidationg in the higher division with the team having another year to develop in league one.

Bang on, my sentiments too. I'm enjoying the feeling that we are 'proper' good and whether it be this year or not, exciting times lay ahead for our club.

We have exciting players progressing well through the ranks to replace all those who leave and Dallas is one of those.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Only 'counting chickens' on what has happened since MB & UW have been at the healm - not promotion to the Championship. In fact, I will not be disappointed if we fail to go up this year as I believe we will enhance out chances of consolidationg in the higher division with the team having another year to develop in league one. Also my experiences in life have taught me that anything worth having and keeping usually takes time and considerable effort to acquire.

I think we may lose several players if we dont go up I am afraid, which may then take us another 2 seasons to get back on track. A number of our young players will now be on the radar of Championship clubs, will be difficult to hang on to them if they come knocking imo. A much better chance of keeping them and adding the likes of BWP/Trotta/L Moore (if required) etc etc, if we got promoted.

 

[condorman]

I think we may lose several players if we dont go up I am afraid, which may then take us another 2 seasons to get back on track. A number of our young players will now be on the radar of Championship clubs, will be difficult to hang on to them if they come knocking imo. A much better chance of keeping them and adding the likes of BWP/Trotta/L Moore (if required) etc etc, if we got promoted.

tend to agree with this. the coppell team disbanded when we didnt make it

 

[sonofabee]

Only 'counting chickens' on what has happened since MB & UW have been at the healm - not promotion to the Championship. In fact, I will not be disappointed if we fail to go up this year as I believe we will enhance out chances of consolidationg in the higher division with the team having another year to develop in league one. Also my experiences in life have taught me that anything worth having and keeping usually takes time and considerable effort to acquire.

I understand but unlike you I will be extremely disappointed if we don't get promoted. We've got the best opportunity we're ever likely to have and I would expect we may not keep some of our key players and sometimes there is a backlash following a season of "not quite" good enough. I won't be surprised but will be devastated.

 

[gwatson]

Virtually all teams at any level - Manchester U & C and Chelsea excepted, are at risk of losing their best players to the financial predators. So even if our future looks bright can we possibly envisage a time when we are able to reject big bucks when they are offered? Going back to the title of this thread it is so encouraging we now have a set-up where we can bring our own talent through the ranks to sustain our upward mobility and assist the key objectives of being financially stable in the long term, whilst competing at a higher level. I cannot think of anytime in the last fifty years when we have been in a stronger position to do just this. Yes, agents and others may unsettle some of the squad if their playing aspirations are not met this season, but I feel confident we are now able to replace them on an equal basis or has happend more recently recruit or produce even better. I understand much focus is about what happens on matchdays but BFC's work off the pitch over the last 18 months has been pivotal to our future and I for one have to pinch myself when I think what has been achieved to our Bees.

 

[Kingston Bee]

Virtually all teams at any level - Manchester U & C and Chelsea excepted, are at risk of losing their best players to the financial predators. So even if our future looks bright can we possibly envisage a time when we are able to reject big bucks when they are offered? Going back to the title of this thread it is so encouraging we now have a set-up where we can bring our own talent through the ranks to sustain our upward mobility and assist the key objectives of being financially stable in the long term, whilst competing at a higher level. I cannot think of anytime in the last fifty years when we have been in a stronger position to do just this. Yes, agents and others may unsettle some of the squad if their playing aspirations are not met this season, but I feel confident we are now able to replace them on an equal basis or has happend more recently recruit or produce even better. I understand much focus is about what happens on matchdays but BFC's work off the pitch over the last 18 months has been pivotal to our future and I for one have to pinch myself when I think what has been achieved to our Bees.

Dont dispute much of what you say, however still think my point holds true at the moment. The other point to make is that this season we will have had a great opportunity to get automatic promotion, this does not happen often. We need to take it. Many posters on here have supported the Bees for upward of 30 years and are fed up with the next season arguement. It has been next season for the last 30 years (barring 1). It is time to rise to the challenge, no more talk.

 

[BURFORD BEE]

Dont dispute much of what you say, however still think my point holds true at the moment. The other point to make is that this season we will have had a great opportunity to get automatic promotion, this does not happen often. We need to take it. Many posters on here have supported the Bees for upward of 30 years and are fed up with the next season arguement. It has been next season for the last 30 years (barring 1). It is time to rise to the challenge, no more talk.

My sentiments entirely. It would also seem to be those of the management of the club going by the additions of BWP and Moore. They couldn't have come cheap. We now have a really good squad with opportunities to mix things up a bit when things are not going well. Kev and Farid if they can figure for the last few games would be an added bonus. Opportunities such as we have this season dont grow on trees. We really need to take it aand like sonofabee I will be gutted if we dont. This "it will all come to those who wait" malarky is frankly b******s. We have been bloody well waiting for far too long
Lets do this Brentford!

 

[jlove]

There'll be movements if we go up and there'll be movements if we don't. The important thing is to retain the core young talent and some experienced heads, as well as adding quality. While Forrester may be more tempted to stay if we go up, most of the other younger players are under contract and have no real reason to move on. We have built relationships that should give us good pickings of the Premier League (and Premier League contenders) 'rejects', and we have Douglas, O'Connor, Lee and Hayes who have been there. We are an attractive proposition in either league.

 

[sonofabee]

There'll be movements if we go up and there'll be movements if we don't. The important thing is to retain the core young talent and some experienced heads, as well as adding quality. While Forrester may be more tempted to stay if we go up, most of the other younger players are under contract and have no real reason to move on. We have built relationships that should give us good pickings of the Premier League (and Premier League contenders) 'rejects', and we have Douglas, O'Connor, Lee and Hayes who have been there. We are an attractive proposition in either league.

You're right but I'm impatient I want it now - 1992 is but a fond memory and it's time it was succeeded by a newer, better, best day as a Brentford fan ever day.!!!!

 

[West Wilts Bee]

I think we may lose several players if we dont go up I am afraid, which may then take us another 2 seasons to get back on track. A number of our young players will now be on the radar of Championship clubs, will be difficult to hang on to them if they come knocking imo. A much better chance of keeping them and adding the likes of BWP/Trotta/L Moore (if required) etc etc, if we got promoted.

We all want promotion, and aint that a fact. But I would not worry about the team disbanding. Only Harry Forrester to sign a new contract. So Uwe need not worry about signing players in the pre season. As gwatson says, the club has come a long way

 

[BFC1997]

Reckon he'd take a decent penalty too

 

[absenteebee]

I think Dallas is sh*t. Thinking Forrester is sh*t is soooooo last week.

 

[Ealing Bee]

tend to agree with this. the coppell team disbanded when we didnt make it

There is a big difference between then and now, not least the long-term planning and investment from MB/MW/UR etc.

I suspect that the wiser of the players will appreciate that they can still be better off by going up to the Championship a season later, if it's with a stable club which is ready for it, rather than transferring to a bigger club like eg Wolves, Sheff Wed or Ipswich, where life is a struggle, and they're not guaranteed to start games anyhow.

On top of which, Uwe and his team have proven that Brentford's scouting network is functioning very well, so that I've no doubt they're already planning how to replace Harry or Adam etc, should they leave before we go up.

 

[Ealing Bee]

This "it will all come to those who wait" malarky is frankly b******s. We have been bloody well waiting for far too long
Lets do this Brentford!

Sorry, but imo it is exactly this (albeit understandable) reaction, and the lack of long-term planning which it engenders, which has doomed BFC to decades of 3rd rate mediocrity.

Or, to put it another way, would you be satisfied to go up this season, with a high risk of coming straight back down again? Or would you prefer to wait another season, but go up the following season with every chance of staying up?

 

[Kingston Bee]

Sorry, but imo it is exactly this (albeit understandable) reaction, and the lack of long-term planning which it engenders, which has doomed BFC to decades of 3rd rate mediocrity.

Or, to put it another way, would you be satisfied to go up this season, with a high risk of coming straight back down again? Or would you prefer to wait another season, but go up the following season with every chance of staying up?

How will 1 season make any difference? Why would an extra season in league 1 change things, dont see how that would lessen the challenge, but open to your thoughts.