Super Bees v Brummies...updates...

[The Walrus]

Are people berating Raya?! lol

Go away if you are, clueless. Raya didn’t have a hope with that header.

The defence was sound. One lazy bit of defending from the free kick did us. sh*t happens.

The midfield is young and developing. No issues at all. Just lost their direction....comes with experience.

Our forward three, Watkins, Marcondes and Canos worked on the first 45. It didn’t work in the second 45. Tough luck.

I’m sure a forward is incoming, if not already and, hopefully, another if NM goes......

Onwards......

Not berating him, but he shouldn't be beaten from a header outside the box. Poor all round - him and the defence.

 

[Mark Bonner]

The performance in the second half lacked belief. We had an incredibly weak bench today. Why aren't we ready? African Cup of Nations? Why is Kamo off the pace but Janvier makes day 1?

One of the things I notice about modern BFC is that we the fans are clueless about two things: injuries and transfer fees.

As fans we have no idea why players aren't fit to play and what actual injuries they have. I remember years ago we had a column in the programme where player injuries were updated. It can't give the oppo and advantage to know wether Said's out with a thigh strain or an ankle issue. I think these two things are related... we don't share either because one directly affects the other. Its about VALUE.

 

[wanderer paul]

Not berating him, but he shouldn't be beaten from a header outside the box. Poor all round - him and the defence.

Defence from all our players. Yes. From that quickly taken free kick. Raya? Not a chance. A perfect header. All keepers come a couple of yards off their line. Not stick to it. One chance, one goal. The team didn’t defend. :shrug:

 

[BaildonBee]

What I cannot decide is whether we were actually really good (but unlucky) and that is why Brum barely got in our half all game or whether that was just their game plan from the off. Surely no team sets up to be that negative on the opening game of the season do they?

 

[mhead bee]

errr...he hasn't gone yet. The fruity one indicated nothing had changed earlier today.

I agree we need to hang on to him, or get a ready-made replacement in before next week though. Proof yet again today that Watkins is no striker and Marcondes just doesn't score goals.

Dream on fella.

Franks said he is in the squad and available for selection, he doesn’t make the bench. It’s time people woke up and smelled the coffee and moved on. It is life, he has been tapped up and he is off, job done.

Said will be back soon and the squad is as it is. I reckon NM will gone by tue/wed and then we will struggle to replace so may have to go toothless as we ha e in the past. Things are what they are but all this talk of going for it is way beyond reality IMO. Hoped to be proved wrong?

 

[shouldbee]

It was a brummie master class in how to defend a one goal lead, obviously made easier as they didn't have any strikers to contend with ?

 

[shouldbee]

What I cannot decide is whether we were actually really good (but unlucky) and that is why Brum barely got in our half all game or whether that was just their game plan from the off. Surely no team sets up to be that negative on the opening game of the season do they?

Wouldn't mind if we do that up at Boro next Saturday ??

 

[magicbees]

Dream on fella.

Franks said he is in the squad and available for selection, he doesn’t make the bench. It’s time people woke up and smelled the coffee and moved on. It is life, he has been tapped up and he is off, job done.

Said will be back soon and the squad is as it is. I reckon NM will gone by tue/wed and then we will struggle to replace so may have to go toothless as we ha e in the past. Things are what they are but all this talk of going for it is way beyond reality IMO. Hoped to be proved wrong?

Very unlike you Mhead Bee.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

I know there's going to be the usual overreaction but:
The defence was comfortable bar the header for the goal where everyone seemed to be switched off and not ready which was just fkin stupid.
Rico and Dalsgaard were pretty comfortable defensively but Rico was quite conservative and Henrik offered more going forward.
Canos was really good and up for it.
Watkins was alright but should have scored and I once thought he might be a striker but still looks more like an attacking forward/winger.
Marcondes didn't have his finest game but he always looks best with runners around him and imo there wasn't enough off the ball movement.
Our midfield two both had various good moments throughout the game but imo they were our main weakness (along with Watkins playing a role he doesn't suit imo). Neither provided enough movement off the ball and against a static/defensive Brum side we were too ponderous in the middle.

I wanted 4-3-3 before the game and personally I think it was a tactical mistake playing 3-4-3. We just didn't need three centre-backs and barring their one moment of madness just spent a lot of the game playing it between themselves whilst Brum sat deep.

Still think we've got a squad/team that will beat anyone but we didn't make the most of it today and three centre-backs with that midfield gave Brum the chance to nick the game with their only chance. With even a tiny bit of luck we'd still have got something from the game which we should have won.

 

[cromerbee]

We were good until they scored their fluke ( he will never score another like that. The goal flattened the team and the crowd somewhat. Second half poor and we wouldn’t have scored if we were still playing!!
Need to sort the transfer stupidity out. How can it be right to start the season with various players not knowing where they will be next week!!!
On the plus side- Reya nothing to do. Daalsgaard outstanding. Janson and Jensen . Great.
We so missed Rommain e and obviously Neal.
Will undoubtedly get better. Birmingham were poor and will be lower half!!!

 

[mhead bee]

Wouldn't mind if we do that up at Boro next Saturday ??

But we won’t. You need a huge amount of luck to get away with it like brum did today. One chance flies in, not a single attack for the other 89.5 minutes from them. We battered them first half but completely run out of ideas second half, you look at the bench and see 5 B team players. We have some quality but we are miles way from top 6 at the moment.

We need to get shot of maupay and get someone else in, get said fit and start fighting for the top half.

 

[IDontBeeLieveIt]

Daalsgaard outstanding. Hanson. Great.

Who's Hanson

 

[Gazza Bee]

I thought marcondes was different class first half. Could have had a couple. Would be more worried if he didn’t get in the positions.

We let another soft goal in from a set piece, the keeper worries me.

We are a great side and we have sorted some big issues and it’s two forward and three back because we fixed one issue at the back and Maupay leaving has broken the other area so we are no closer.

What the absolute feck are you talking about. Keeper had zero chance with the header - straight in the top corner and did nothing else wrong all game. Also Maupay has not left and youll find that out on Friday. Final thing you told me last Saturdays team would be the same as today - guess I was right to say it would be a lot different ?

 

[Rob-BEE]

It was outside the box. outrageous header.

I stand corrected. One helluva header!

 

[Mark Bonner]

How can it be right to start the season with various players not knowing where they will be next week!!!

Totally agree. If the EFL want the CHampionship deadline day to sync with the Prem's then we should kick off on the same weekend with our season's synced too. Its horrible for fans starting our season with players training with us while a deal to another club is being negotiated... and not being able to select them for fear of an injury scuppering the sale.

Hate this about modern football.

 

[grutter]

Totally agree. If the EFL want the CHampionship deadline day to sync with the Prem's then we should kick off on the same weekend with our season's synced too. Its horrible for fans starting our season with players training with us while a deal to another club is being negotiated... and not being able to select them for fear of an injury scuppering the sale.

Hate this about modern football.

Never gonna happen. Prem managers already moan they start too early, and while we have 46 games in a season, there's no way the championship will start a week later. It's geared towards the big boys, as it's always been since football was invented in 1992.

 

[mhead bee]

What the absolute feck are you talking about. Keeper had zero chance with the header - straight in the top corner and did nothing else wrong all game. Also Maupay has not left and youll find that out on Friday. Final thing you told me last Saturdays team would be the same as today - guess I was right to say it would be a lot different ?

It was a poor goal. Header from 5 yards outside the are shouldn’t beat the keeper, it wasn’t an Andy Carroll bullet. It was poor.

If you took your head out your backside and read my post you will see I said Raya is a good keeper and you will get good and bad from him. Good shot stopper and distribution but you will let softies in too.

Don’t take your frustration out on me become we lost.

Last week I said we looked an average side backed up by B team players, today we looked an average side backed up by 5 B team players on the bench. We have said, Watkins and Maupay all on transfer alert and Kamo who is MIA since he returned although apparently “fit”.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

 

[exiledbee]

Dream on fella.

Franks said he is in the squad and available for selection, he doesn’t make the bench. It’s time people woke up and smelled the coffee and moved on. It is life, he has been tapped up and he is off, job done.

Said will be back soon and the squad is as it is. I reckon NM will gone by tue/wed and then we will struggle to replace so may have to go toothless as we ha e in the past. Things are what they are but all this talk of going for it is way beyond reality IMO. Hoped to be proved wrong?

" Frank ".......

 

[Gazza Bee]

It was a poor goal. Header from 5 yards outside the are shouldn’t beat the keeper, it wasn’t an Andy Carroll bullet. It was poor.

If you took your head out your backside and read my post you will see I said Raya is a good keeper and you will get good and bad from him. Good shot stopper and distribution but you will let softies in too.

Don’t take your frustration out on me become we lost.

Last week I said we looked an average side backed up by B team players, today we looked an average side backed up by 5 B team players on the bench. We have said, Watkins and Maupay all on transfer alert and Kamo who is MIA since he returned although apparently “fit”.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Im not frustrated you are just talking rubbish so im pulling you up on it. P.S. your first post clearly said you were worried by the keeper which presumably was based on today for which he did absolutely nothing wrong.

 

[mhead bee]

Im not frustrated you are just talking rubbish so im pulling you up on it. P.S. your first post clearly said you were worried by the keeper which presumably was based on today for which he did absolutely nothing wrong.

I said last week that we looked weak and the same team would be put out the following week. The only changes from last week were Henry who was far from fit and had a poor game and Watkins’s who was ok-ish.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

We are facing challenges with top players wanting to leave, the clock ticking and the DOF having a thankless task trying to pull it all together.

You can dream all you like but the reality is we are facing some challenges and there is no point pretending. We lost to a piss poor team today, the first game of the season and a sell out and the fans being led to believe this is “our” season and we came up short. A team full of kids and players fresh to the country and our best players awol. This is a season of transition. You may disagree but that is because you have been blinded by the optimism of the new ground.

 

[hatfieldbee]

I said last week that we looked weak and the same team would be put out the following week. The only changes from last week were Henry who was far from fit and had a poor game and Watkins’s who was ok-ish.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

We are facing challenges with top players wanting to leave, the clock ticking and the DOF having a thankless task trying to pull it all together.

You can dream all you like but the reality is we are facing some challenges and there is no point pretending. We lost to a piss poor team today, the first game of the season and a sell out and the fans being led to believe this is “our” season and we came up short. A team full of kids and players fresh to the country and our best players awol. This is a season of transition. You may disagree but that is because you have been blinded by the optimism of the new ground.

Watkins's what..?!

 

[Banana]

WHO'S THE FRUITY ONE?

NOBODY KNOWS. HE’S LIKE THE SCARLET PIMPERNAL

 

[North London Bee]

I said last week that we looked weak and the same team would be put out the following week. The only changes from last week were Henry who was far from fit and had a poor game and Watkins’s who was ok-ish.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

We are facing challenges with top players wanting to leave, the clock ticking and the DOF having a thankless task trying to pull it all together.

You can dream all you like but the reality is we are facing some challenges and there is no point pretending. We lost to a piss poor team today, the first game of the season and a sell out and the fans being led to believe this is “our” season and we came up short. A team full of kids and players fresh to the country and our best players awol. This is a season of transition. You may disagree but that is because you have been blinded by the optimism of the new ground.

Wait until the end of the window and see what the squad is then.

 

[Dazza]

Why all the missing players

Benrahma - only just returned to full training with the team after his operation over the summer
Muapay - not kicked a ball all pre-season and probably left out due to the speculation over his future
Mokotjo - only returned to training a day or two ago, game probably came too early for him, back next week
Norsgaard - picked up a knock towards end of the game last week, probably just missed out today
Valencia - has only had 1 or 2 at the most training sessions with the team, another that today probably came too early for

Good news is Valencia and Mokotjo probably in squad next week, Norsgaard too if the injury isn't too bad. Maupay will either be in the team or sold next week and Said probably not back till Hull at earliest I;d have thought.

 

[Newport Pagnell Bee]

I thought marcondes was different class first half. Could have had a couple. Would be more worried if he didn’t get in the positions.
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Thought he was poor throughout.

 

[LostBee]

Mhead Bee wins the prize for first hysterical overreaction of the season.

Christ, pull yourself together man.

 

[mhead bee]

Wait until the end of the window and see what the squad is then.

Exactly. Totally agree with that.

We are treading water until next week for sure. It’s a crap system and one we play quite well but we have to be realistic and play the game to its end.

 

[francistowerssc]

They had 1 shot all game. Can't blame the defence with that. The midfield were great first half, looked tired after 60 though and starting going sideways, credit to Brum for, erm, parking the bus however. The attack looked great first half, lots of movement creating chances, short one touch passing, lost that after the break. 15 shots, 3 on target says it all really, although could've had 4 goals in the first half, definitely should've had 2 (both from Marcondes). All in all, once we've got our full squad together and sort out the striker situation should be a good season.

3shots on target doesn't include the shots that hit the woodwork

 

[shouldbee]

Who's Hanson

Isn't he the fella who said you don't win anything with kids ?

 

[mhead bee]

Very unlike you Mhead Bee.

Not really. I always call it as it is. I thinks we are the best run club in the country but being what we are means we are always fighting with one hand behind our back.

I think this season is possibly the most challenging we have had because there is a self proclaiming prophecy that this is our year because if the new ground.

Personally I think we are playing the long game that we play so brilliantly and this is another season fraught with the same challenges. That apparently makes me full of sh*t but hey ho. We will see who is right again.

 

[grutter]

I said last week that we looked weak and the same team would be put out the following week. The only changes from last week were Henry who was far from fit and had a poor game and Watkins’s who was ok-ish.

You are living in cloud cuckoo land.

We are facing challenges with top players wanting to leave, the clock ticking and the DOF having a thankless task trying to pull it all together.

You can dream all you like but the reality is we are facing some challenges and there is no point pretending. We lost to a piss poor team today, the first game of the season and a sell out and the fans being led to believe this is “our” season and we came up short. A team full of kids and players fresh to the country and our best players awol. This is a season of transition. You may disagree but that is because you have been blinded by the optimism of the new ground.

Agree with most of this, except 'transition'. You may be proved right, but I would say that MB would differ, given our spending in this window is unprecedented.

 

[wanderer paul]

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