TB's post-match comments

[VTG]

"They've got good strikers; players who are on top of their form at the moment and their team has probably played together a lot more than our team, which was playing its first competitive match together.

Have I missed something? (I hope so)

Oh and apparently Ide is the only one injured so we shouldn't have any defensive problems on Friday now, should we, Mr Butcher?

 

[Ace Face]

Hereford built a completely new team this season??????????

 

[golferbee]

All we got to do is pay as a team. Thats the main thing being together as a team, being a united team.

Please change the f*****g record.

Butcher Out Butcher Out

 

[IverBee]

"Hamer going back to Reading"......... Why ? Because Butcher rates Brown first choice and Hamer is not getting first team football !?! Brown better than Hamer ? Not so, IMHO.

 

[VTG]

I'm still not sure where he got the first competitive match together bit from.

 

[Gazza Bee]

Probably as Mackie and Heywood haven't played together

 

[West Ealing Bee]

Probably as Mackie and Heywood haven't played together

We have certainly never had those XI players out together.

It's stretching a point a little IMHO..............

 

[beeeehive]

Hereford built a completely new team this season??????????

That's not strictly true, they had six core players who helped them get promoted and knew success, although yes they did have to bring in a few new players and hoped the team settled quick with the six already there.

 

[Gee Bee]

That's not strictly true, they had six core players who helped them get promoted and knew success, although yes they did have to bring in a few new players and hoped the team settled quick with the six already there.

When were they promoted though? Think you will find Dagenham & Morecambe are this season's new boys. The six that remained this season are following a struggle last season not a promotion.

 

[Simon C]

We have certainly never had those XI players out together.

It's stretching a point a little IMHO..............

Especially as Mackie and Heywood haven't played together largely becuase Butcher didn't want them to

 

[HertfordBee]

I suspect he might also have been referring to the fact that Pead was only starting his second game in midfield and hasn't played with Mousinho before? !!

 

[Gee Bee]

fact that Pead was only starting his second game in midfield and hasn't played with Mousinho before? !!

Also found out he is Thorpes live in lover. Puts himself about a bit.

 

[beeeehive]

When were they promoted though? Think you will find Dagenham & Morecambe are this season's new boys. The six that remained this season are following a struggle last season not a promotion.

Who got them promoted to League Two the season before last. He kept the six core players and re-built the squad around this season to improve on last.

 

[8 Bee]

"Hamer going back to Reading"......... Why ? Because Butcher rates Brown first choice and Hamer is not getting first team football !?! Brown better than Hamer ? Not so, IMHO.

This can be easily sorted - make Hamer first choice keeper.

Abbey isn't playing first team football

 

[magicbees]

The loan striker playing of Saturday was from Watford is that outside our scouting area. How can Hereford pick up a loanee like that right under our noses.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

This can be easily sorted - make Hamer first choice keeper.

Abbey isn't playing first team football

Waste of a loan imo.

 

[Shirley Bee]

Waste of a loan imo.

What's you point Les?

That we haven't used properly one of the best loanees we've ever had, that we didn't need a keeper on loan when our first choice was injured, or that Hamer was not up to the job?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

What's you point Les?

That we haven't used properly one of the best loanees we've ever had, that we didn't need a keeper on loan when our first choice was injured, or that Hamer was not up to the job?

Hamer is very much up to the job and all things being equal I would prefer him to Brown (based on the little I've seen). However, Brown is adequate enough and one of our senior players so I would prefer TB to stick with him now and use the loan on an outfield player.

 

[Simon C]

Hamer is very much up to the job and all things being equal I would prefer him to Brown (based on the little I've seen). However, Brown is adequate enough and one of our senior players so I would prefer TB to stick with him now and use the loan on an outfield player.

Basey, Hamer and Pettigrew are all going back soon unless we renew, who would you renew then? I'd keep Hamer and get two new guys in.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Basey, Hamer and Pettigrew are all going back soon unless we renew, who would you renew then? I'd keep Hamer and get two new guys in.

I'd wait and see what the new gaffer says.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Basey, Hamer and Pettigrew are all going back soon unless we renew, who would you renew then? I'd keep Hamer and get two new guys in.

I'd let them all go back - with reluctance in Hamer's case although if there's a case that he is not costing anymore than we're getting back for Masters, I could be persuaded.

 

[Simon C]

I'd let them all go back - with reluctance in Hamer's case although if there's a case that he is not costing anymore than we're getting back for Masters, I could be persuaded.

What I mean is how many new players so you think we need and would they make more of a difference than Hamer?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

What I mean is how many new players so you think we need and would they make more of a difference than Hamer?

I think a solid midfielder and a pacy striker would have a lot more impact than Hamer. A right winger would be nice as well but we may have to wait to see whether Shakes is kept on for that one.

 

[Simon C]

I think a solid midfielder and a pacy striker would have a lot more impact than Hamer. A right winger would be nice as well but we may have to wait to see whether Shakes is kept on for that one.

If you only want two players then we can keep Hamer

 

[VTG]

What I mean is how many new players so you think we need and would they make more of a difference than Hamer?

Brown would be more than ok in L2 behind a defence that consisted of four competent defenders.
As I've said before on this forum, you get enough shots in or forays into the box unchallenged, you're bound to score one or two. We desperately need a left back and I'd like to see a good one in on loan pretty quickly. I'm surprised Butcher's only given Tillen half an hour this season though, given that Charles clearly isn't up to the job and is more concerned about self-preservation than blocking the ball. Considering the fact that Pettigrew is clearly a complete spanner, Tillen may not be spectacular but what other options do we have until we can get a LB in on loan?

 

[Les Beeavinu]

If you only want two players then we can keep Hamer

... or have a bigger budget for a more experienced player.

 

[Simon C]

... or have a bigger budget for a more experienced player.

Depends how much we're paying Hamer doesn't it

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Depends how much we're paying Hamer doesn't it

Of course.

 

[Simon C]

I think if we play him he'll save us many more times than Brown will. Brown was a mistake, it would be nice if we recognised that and weren't too proud to rectify that seeing as we've found a good, cheap alternative.

 

[Shirley Bee]

I think a solid midfielder and a pacy striker would have a lot more impact than Hamer. A right winger would be nice as well but we may have to wait to see whether Shakes is kept on for that one.

Perhaps we can get Willock back on loan?

Tillen is obviously out of favour, but what's the story behind Smith? Has he actually appeared yet in a league match for us, and wasn't he regarded by many as the best player we had on trial over the summer?

 

[IverBee]

If you only want two players then we can keep Hamer

From TB's comments, the only way we can keep Hamer is if he is first choice, which clearly he is not (?!?!?!?).

Maybe TB wants to use this "loan" for a different player, which I guess means Masters fills in at number two (even more ?!?!?!?!).

Whatever, Hamer is different class IMHO, best keeper since Paul Smith and will no doubt go on to better things.

 

[Gee Bee]

Who got them promoted to League Two the season before last. He kept the six core players and re-built the squad around this season to improve on last.

You sure on that? Who were they?

Keeper Brown & Defender Beckwith appear to be th only players that formed part of their promotion team.

 

[VTG]

You sure on that? Who were they?

He said six himself in the interview linked somewhere around here. He actually kept nine but three were youngsters who'd barely played a game.

 

[beeeehive]

You sure on that? Who were they?

Keeper Brown & Defender Beckwith appear to be th only players that formed part of their promotion team.

Blimey, you're stuck on picking little points on people's posts and missing the big picture. Did you really just go out and research that? lol The point is they had six players in the first team who he believed could do a job and he built a team around them in the summer, they weren't new and could help the rest settle in. He had six established players he could trust. We had around six players we wanted out who we couldn't get rid of. lol

 

[North London Bee]

I only wish we could keep Hamer for the season and either bin Brown or get him out on loan but life isn't like that.

As the recipient of yet another special Brentford Golden Ticket (also called a 2 year contract) he pretty much has to play.

Hamer's loan space can also be used to fill another need.

Brown is adequate, Hamer has the potential to be top class, unfortunately adequate at best will have to do for us!

 

[Simon C]

Blimey, you're stuck on picking little points on people's posts and missing the big picture, did you really just go out and research that lol.

Why post facts to back up your argument when they are that easily exposed?

 

[sgaz]

I think if we play him he'll save us many more times than Brown will. Brown was a mistake, it would be nice if we recognised that and weren't too proud to rectify that seeing as we've found a good, cheap alternative.

ahmen brudder :yes:

 

[Gee Bee]

Blimey, you're stuck on picking little points on people's posts and missing the big picture. Did you really just go out and research that? lol The point is they had six players in the first team who he believed could do a job and he built a team around them in the summer. They weren't new and could help the rest settle in. He had six established players he could trust. We had around six players we wanted out who we couldn't get rid of. lol

Not at all! I just think you are missing the bigger picture too. Maybe the six players he had are still there solely because they had a contract that didn't run out in the summer. Yes, I'm sure a couple he may had want to keep. However it's like saying Heywood, Tillen & Brooker were part of BFC core players this season.
The facts are Hereford United on a much smaller budget have picked up some useful players. They however only have eighteen players including two on loan, unless you include two other keepers. It will be interesting to see how they get on when injuries kick in, personally think they will struggle still like us.
I do also think that it is much more difficult picking up good standard lower level footballers down to play in London. If you earn £700pw in Hereford how much further would that stretch compared to living in or around West London?

 

[beeeehive]

Why post facts to back up your argument when they are that easily exposed?

Whta's been exposed???

 

[Simon C]

Whta's been exposed???

Is it too hard to follow this thread?

 

[beeeehive]

Not at all! I just think you are missing the bigger picture too. Maybe the six players he had are still there solely because they had a contract that didn't run out in the summer. Yes, I'm sure a couple he may had want to keep. However it's like saying Heywood, Tillen & Brooker were part of BFC core players this season.
The facts are Hereford United on a much smaller budget have picked up some useful players. They however only have eighteen players including two on loan, unless you include two other keepers. It will be interesting to see how they get on when injuries kick in, personally think they will struggle still like us.
I do also think that it is much more difficult picking up good standard lower level footballers down to play in London. If you earn £700pw in Hereford how much further would that stretch compared to living in or around West London?

Maybe, but in the interview he says we have six senior players and three young players left which is a change we felt we needed to do. You're just speculating to suit your argument now. Not every team is as fooked up as Brentford have been the last two pre-seasons. I thought Connell was one of the only players to turn down an extended contract with them, of course I'm sure I'm wrong again with you. Comparing the 6\9 players they had left to the situation with Heywood, Brooker and Tillen is just daft.

I reckon you could easily find a flat to rent in London for £2800 a month, even after tax. If the club is attractive enough players will come.

 

[beeeehive]

Is it too hard to follow this thread?

How hard is it to answer a question?....wow this is fun

Maybe instead of having a pop at people's posts you could contribute something to the conversation.

Anyone comparing the situation at Hereford to Brentford is in la la land IMO.

 

[Simon C]

Anyone comparing the situation at Hereford to Brentford is in la la land IMO.

Like you have many times on this very thread. I'm still waiting for a valuable contribution on this site never mind this thread

 

[beeeehive]

Like you have many times on this very thread. I'm still waiting for a valuable contribution on this site never mind this thread

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oh no I haven't made a valuable contribution on this site....it hurts so much lol

Geez what is this, trying to prove you're more worthy then me or something lol

Take a chill pill!

 

[marlowbee]

All we got to do is pay as a team. Thats the main thing being together as a team, being a united team.

Please change the f*****g record.

Butcher Out Butcher Out

Aren't we paying enough already!!!!

 

[wayfarer172]

Why are we talking about Hereford? I couldn't give 2 monkeys fuks about them. We have our own problems. Must admit though, Turner has been cleverer in his signings than TB.

 

[beetee]

Not at all! I just think you are missing the bigger picture too. Maybe the six players he had are still there solely because they had a contract that didn't run out in the summer. Yes, I'm sure a couple he may had want to keep. However it's like saying Heywood, Tillen & Brooker were part of BFC core players this season.
The facts are Hereford United on a much smaller budget have picked up some useful players. They however only have eighteen players including two on loan, unless you include two other keepers. It will be interesting to see how they get on when injuries kick in, personally think they will struggle still like us.
I do also think that it is much more difficult picking up good standard lower level footballers down to play in London. If you earn £700pw in Hereford how much further would that stretch compared to living in or around West London?

just because the club is in west london doesn't mean a player has to get a pad in sloane square!!??!!
they could easily live somewhere down the m4 like reading etc where the house prices are much lower and it wouldn't be too difficult to get to the training ground in osterley.

 

[Gee Bee]

just because the club is in west london doesn't mean a player has to get a pad in sloane square!!??!!
they could easily live somewhere down the m4 like reading etc where the house prices are much lower and it wouldn't be too difficult to get to the training ground in osterley.

I did say in or around West London, and consider Reading an able commute and so around West London.

Why do you think we tend to in the main sign players in or around teh M25 club area? The main reason is they already live in teh more expensive South East and find it difficult to attract players from outside who resside in more desirable but less expensive areas. Canoville chose Notts County over Brentford because of cost of living, and he is just one of many we have lost out on because of this.

 

[Gee Bee]

I reckon you could easily find a flat to rent in London for £2800 a month, even after tax. If the club is attractive enough players will come.

I'm sure you can, but the players have to live and spend on other things.
£2,800 per month net is approx £49K per year gross, so what are you expecting our players to be earning, we only have a £1m budget and 22 players that equates to average of £875pw or £45.5K per year.

 

[Gee Bee]

just because the club is in west london doesn't mean a player has to get a pad in sloane square!!??!!
they could easily live somewhere down the m4 like reading etc where the house prices are much lower and it wouldn't be too difficult to get to the training ground in osterley.

as an example here are the comparisons what £300K buys you in Hereford & Reading.


http://www.rightmove.co.uk/action/publicsite.PropertySearch

What would you prefer?

For some reason it the two links won't copy, but if you wander on to the Reading search you will see a difference in housing.