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I'm mystified by the idea that McCormack can play as a holding midfielder. He always seems to play further forward and doesn't hold a specific position; whether that is tactical or his charging about, I don't know. It certainly didn't work against Walsall. It's a position we desperately need a specialist player in, but that is well known.
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So you 100% would play Woods as the trusted holding player protecting the defence?
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nick logan
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As our options in that area are limited i would stick with him and Josh , but if one was to drop out for Macca or whoever it deffo wouldn't be Woods.
One of first names on team sheet for me
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That's very difficult as I don't think we've had one maybe since Bean! It was Diagouraga but he was not really natural there, so it's a black hole at the moment. McCormack's not played an U-21 game, so I can't think he's fit; McEachran is more the box-to-box player, leaving your mate Woods, who's also not really a holding defensive player. It's been a problem for some years and I'm sure been it's the priority for recruitment for a season.
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So you are clearly saying, Woods is a better attack minded player than McEachran. Absolutely no way, nowhere near it. McEachran ALWAYS looks to create an opportunity. Woods doesn't have that confidence yet. It's plain to see.
Woods has huge potential, but not ready yet imho
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nick logan
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I clearly said i would play them both . Have you seen our recent games at Brighton and Rotherham ?
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It could be an option to play Barbet in front of the back four, he's not slow, can put a tackle in or an interception. He also has at times shown he can pas a ball well
You could then put Woods or McEachran forward in place of Canos and Canos then becomes an impact sub, which I think he is more suited to
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I agree if Macca isn't fit then there's a problem. Just think he's the best option right now, if fit. It worked for Carsley when Macca or Toums covered.
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.....................Button
...........Yennaris Dean Bidwell
Canos Woods Barbet McCreachan Swift
................. Judge
........................Djuricin
Maybe not right....but want to see a 3 - 5 - 2..........IMO.......I think it can work with what teams we have left to play?
...........Yennaris Dean Bidwell
Canos Woods Barbet McCreachan Swift
................. Judge
........................Djuricin
Maybe not right....but want to see a 3 - 5 - 2..........IMO.......I think it can work with what teams we have left to play?
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I did not go to Rotherham but I have watched the extended highlights several times and whilst I admit that we have played better we are and were a much better footballing side than Rotherham. Although not always apparent it is sometimes a fine line between winning and losing. There is a difference between watching live and on a screen but in my opinion football played well will always over come kick and rush and we were not that bad on Saturday. Woods and McEachran will have to learn to play plan 'A' better! They will only get better by playing.
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I'm sorry you are not clear whatsoever. Nothing you have said makes any sense imo. You've said they both should be playing, but how? Where? In what positions exactly? I don't understand what you're saying because you can't back your comments up with anything.
No I didn't see Rotherham??
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nick logan
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Ermm ... i would play them as the 2 in front of the back 4 as DS has been. I don't feel that we have much choice. Not sure whats hard to grasp here ?
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nick logan
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I said dropping Woods was insane , Macca is no more of a defensive midfielder imho.
Anyway we don't agree no big deal , i doubt many would agree with you dropping of Woods seeing as how he is always there or thereabouts in the MOM votes.
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Off topic, but anyone know if Charlton have sold out their allocation?? If not, I'm assuming home areas will be on General Sale??.......
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If I had the squad that DS has I would without a doubt, Woods is one of the best players in the team and in a better team he will look even better.
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Because he's been one of our most consistent players and probably third behind Button and Judgey in fans vote for POTY.
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So you are playing Nico and Bidwell at CB, a position neither has played before or have the natural attributes to play in so would be a disaster. Barbet in Midfield where he has never played before so may be completely lost and a disaster. Swift at Left wing back, one of our most creative and maverick players who forgets to track back when in midfield so will probably go awol at left back, in fact going awol would be a good thing because him at left back and completely nuts and a complete disaster.
Other then that I can't see why we wouldn't give it a go.
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You obviously weren't there on Saturday, we were that bad, and Josh who I rate was woeful unlike Woodsy who did OK.
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Who's telling Scott he's not starting then. He's really up for it!!! What chances on the bench????
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Maybe right.......maybe wrong.........look at it other way..........3 defenders (who all play there and have to STAY there).....If Colin was ready I would put him in and drop Barbet back......Keep 3 in midfield....mostly defending......covering the one going forward.......Canos and Swift......as the wingers...IF the 3 in midfield did their job properly then Swift would not need to track back......Judge free role.....Djuricin...........regardless if Barbet has played there or not,he has been central in defence,I have seen him move forward on occasions, he can play that holding role......Its attack minded as long as they hold their lines and dont go wandering.......anyway, it was just a thought......teams seem to have sussed us......hard to explain my thinking on here,without a chalk board......lol
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Well I keep hearing the same words but no evidence to back up why Woods is one of our best.
I ask for evidence as i don't have your natural aptitude for spotting young talent.
Anyway my point is about fullbacks going forward and getting into crossing/attacking positions.
In which case we need a dependable holding player to drop in front of the two centre backs.
Who should that be? I think Macca if fit.
Then I would say McEachran is best to support the attack.
Currently our central midfield set up doesn't allow for our full backs to attack effectively.
This is very different from last season and quite a big problem this one.
Without getting into a spat about Woods, is there an alternative to what im saying?
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Look at the votes he has for MOM in games from people other than me. Why did West Ham try to sign him before he opted for us as he wanted a starting place.
Why have two Premiership clubs shown an interest lately, probably because he's one of the best young talents in this league and one of our most consistent performers?
Maybe the question should be, why can't you see what a large % of Bees fans can?
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Thats what I'm asking? How exactly does he fit into a team referreing to my main point? Still no answer from anyone, i keep asking??
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Makagakid, irrespective of opinions regarding Woods your post actually raises a decent question going forward. Without doubt a fully fit Alan Mac would have been of benefit at Rotherham. The issue is whether Josh or Woods is likely to contribute more.
In a team full of confidence and winning games then Josh probably has a more attacking ability with his passing, however in that scenario there probably be little need to play Mac. However if we are a team short of confidence and needing to battle then it has to be Woods
It is important that our players get as much game time as they can at this level when looking to the future therefore for Saturday I would go with Josh and Woods saving Mac for games that are likely to be overly physical. Ultimately if we purchase an Alan Mac Mark 2 then it will be an interesting conundrum how all will fit in.
In a team full of confidence and winning games then Josh probably has a more attacking ability with his passing, however in that scenario there probably be little need to play Mac. However if we are a team short of confidence and needing to battle then it has to be Woods
It is important that our players get as much game time as they can at this level when looking to the future therefore for Saturday I would go with Josh and Woods saving Mac for games that are likely to be overly physical. Ultimately if we purchase an Alan Mac Mark 2 then it will be an interesting conundrum how all will fit in.
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Colin Dean Barbet Bidwell
Woods Josh
Canos Judge Swift
Marco
Thats our best line up at the minute IMO.
Woods Josh
Canos Judge Swift
Marco
Thats our best line up at the minute IMO.
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Colin unfit though. Best play a keeper too I reckon - defence hasn't been great recently.
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Bonham
Clark Onariarse O'Connell Yennaris
Saunders Kerschbaumer Gogia
Vibe Hoffman Djuricin
Clark Onariarse O'Connell Yennaris
Saunders Kerschbaumer Gogia
Vibe Hoffman Djuricin
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The same as the Wolves game except I would have Hofmann up front instead of Djurcin. Alan Mac on the bench, but hopefully it'll be a skill based game rather than physical and snidey one so he won't need to come on. I haven't seen much of Gogia, and what I have seen hasn't impressed me, but he seems to escape flack on here, especially compared to the three strikers and KK, so hopefully we'll be 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go then Gogia can show why he escapes criticism.
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Good point, understand that but still would like to see how it works with Macca or even Barbet/Colin(when fit)holding ie love the way Eric Dier covers for the full backs to attack.
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Is Macca an out and out holding player? When we went on the winning run he played more of a box to box role with Toums sitting in front of the back four.
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To be honest I don't think anyone could even argue with that. They are definitely our best players... which I think is a 12th in the Championship team.
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Agree its probably our best 11 footballers but away to Hull who are big, strong and very experienced I fear we'd be boys among men. I think we'll be OK vs Charlton at home but need more bite and height.
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I think he could be more reliable right now as holding player imo but agree AM played Josh's role for Carsley. Thought he had a fantastic game at Charlton
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nick logan
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I don't understand what your point is anymore . Most on here see RW as one of our better players as seen in the mom votes . He deserves to play because of his form and because he is a good player. He is fine as one of the 2 in front of the back 4.
Are you saying he isnt ?
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Yep he was superb at Charlton, would be a decent option to play him on that role with Woods holding. For now I wound stick with RW and JM because I think they're a decent partnership at home. Maybe bring Macca back for away games where we need a bit more steel.
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My point is so clear and simple to understand, I think you are pretending not to understand tbh
Again this is not about only Woods! So please stop the paranoia, it's getting ridiculous!!
But in response to your question - yes I'm not convinced Woods as sole holding when Josh and full backs go forward. High percentage of his tackles are either failed or fouls. Speed is also an issue dealing with counter attacks.
In time I think Woods will develop into a superb attack minded holding player but right now think Josh is better.
This is just my opinion, no need to get uptight.
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nick logan
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Not getting uptight just clarifying . You just keep saying we are missing your point . I am not i just don't agree. RW should and will play whenever he is fit imho.
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Button
Yennaris Dean Barbet Bidwell
Woods Josh
Canos Judge Swift
Vibe
Subs: Bonham, O'Connell, Clarke, KK, Saunders, Djuricin, Hofmann
Could be tempted to put Gogia & Holdack on bench for KK and Djuricin
Yennaris Dean Barbet Bidwell
Woods Josh
Canos Judge Swift
Vibe
Subs: Bonham, O'Connell, Clarke, KK, Saunders, Djuricin, Hofmann
Could be tempted to put Gogia & Holdack on bench for KK and Djuricin
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Right, this is the bit I'm struggling with............so far I've seen Josh 7 or 8 times and I've seen him look like he was the answer to our prayers at Cardiff and majestic against Leeds and Wolves. In all of those games Ryan was excellent as well.
I've also seen him have absolute nightmares and look like he didn't want to be on the pitch against Walsall, Rotherham and one other that I'm struggling to recall at home and he has on all occasions played just in front of the defence and except for falling over in the box against Walsall hasn't looked anything like attack minded and I'm being honest.
If you are basing your assumption on his pedigree and history I would agree he should be the first name on the team sheet but if we are basing it on what we have seen so far and I'm aware he is only regaining match fitness than no one could justify starting Josh in front of Ryan to date?
I also agree that with the right player alongside him, Josh may well become a very important player for Bees and is on paper a better bet to flourish in The Premiership than Ryan but I can only go on what I've seen and he has been very inconsistent unlike Woods.
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That Walsall game was well strange set up wise. Macca appeared to be playing the number 10 role well forward of where he normally plays. Anyway it didn't work and he knackered himself in the process. I think he and Woods as the covering 2 will work if he is fit.
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