Team vs Norwich

Team vs Norwich

Machro said:
I disagree. I was at the Leeds match and I thought Sergi put in a really good shift there in a difficult away match. The Bees are so blunt up front a bit of energy is needed. I think he'd be a good fit away at Norwich.
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Totally agree about our bluntness up front. Sergi was poor in the home game v. Norwich. He does provide enthusiasm and energy and a shot at goal, but has a questionable temperament. He has left his foot in a number of times and gets involved in petty squabbles because he doesn't control his enthusiasm well at times . Lucky to avoid at least one sending off this season. He will feel he has something to prove to the club that let him go, which worries me.

The last thing we need is another game going down to 10 men. That said, I've no doubt he'll be involved somewhere on Saturday, as he is teacher's pet.
 

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Machro said:
I disagree. I was at the Leeds match and I thought Sergi put in a really good shift there in a difficult away match. The Bees are so blunt up front a bit of energy is needed. I think he'd be a good fit away at Norwich.
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I think @Hippobee comment was more based on Sergi overtrying against Norwich because he didn’t break through there.
 

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AB said:
I think @Hippobee comment was more based on Sergi overtrying against Norwich because he didn’t break through there.
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Yes, the last thing we need is 10 men. It's hard enough with 11. I take the point. I'm just thinking Sergi did well at Leeds up front rather than the wider picture perhaps regarding his temperament.

Just trying to come up with an idea within our resources to provide some sort of offence to give the opposition something to worry about.
 

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Raya
Henry Pontus Pinnock Ajer
Norgaard janelt baptiste CE
Mbuemo Toney

...if everyone fit
 

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I wonder if Norgaard switched to playing out of the back as like last season would allow for more linked up play. I know not his preferred option but has played very well there, he could drop back perhaps for Ajer, this would let him play through to Eriksen in a central midfield role with Janelt and Baptiste/Jensen filling the other two midfield positions.
 

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Janelt looked shot to pieces against Newcastle i thought, he's struggling right now. So is Mbeumo. Difficult team to pick...
 

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I don’t know what team to put out, but unless we get a bit of luck and can get the first goal from a dodgy pen or an own goal it’s going to be another tough watch.

We are so much better than Norwich but the players need a bloody lift to turn this round.

And can we please leave Rico back at corners, it is so unnecessary to have everyone in the six yard box and to keep giving goals away from our own corners. I am sure there is some long term well thought out benefit to it but we haven’t got long term, just stop giving cheap goals away.
 

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mhead bee said:
I am not getting this drop Ayer cobblers, he is our best defender if not our best player, first name on the team sheet and go from there.
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I don't think anybody is dropping Ajer - he is not a RB so should be played in his proper position at CB in a 3 or in a 2 if we go 442 or 433
 

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.............................Raya

...................Ajer.....PJ....Pinnock

........Canos..Norgaard...FTT..Henry

............................Erikesn

.................Mbeumo.........Toney
 

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mhead bee said:
I don’t know what team to put out, but unless we get a bit of luck and can get the first goal from a dodgy pen or an own goal it’s going to be another tough watch.

We are so much better than Norwich but the players need a bloody lift to turn this round.

And can we please leave Rico back at corners, it is so unnecessary to have everyone in the six yard box and to keep giving goals away from our own corners. I am sure there is some long term well thought out benefit to it but we haven’t got long term, just stop giving cheap goals away.
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It would also help if the other defenders running back didn’t all chase the man with the ball and maybe one might like to look out for the one he would pass to.
 

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twickersbee said:
I wonder if Norgaard switched to playing out of the back as like last season would allow for more linked up play. I know not his preferred option but has played very well there, he could drop back perhaps for Ajer, this would let him play through to Eriksen in a central midfield role with Janelt and Baptiste/Jensen filling the other two midfield positions.
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Different levels - Norgaard would get horribly exposed at CB and I certainly wouldn't be dropping Ajer to do so
 

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Gazza Bee said:
Different levels - Norgaard would get horribly exposed at CB and I certainly wouldn't be dropping Ajer to do so
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Yes, we’ve seen him being turned even playing in front of the back three so it would be a mistake to put him in the back line
 

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nick logan said:
.............................Raya

...................Ajer.....PJ....Pinnock

........Canos..Norgaard...FTT..Henry

............................Erikesn

.................Mbeumo.........Toney
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Id have Roerslev ahead of Canos in that formation. Other than that this is the team I would go with.
 

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I'm not in favour of putting Ajer at right-back, where his lack of pace could get exposed.
I would, however, like to see 4-3-3 because for too long, we have lacked creativity and we need to give ourselves as much of a chance to create chances as possible.

Raya
Canos - Jansson - Pinnock - Henry
Norgaard - (Janelt)
Eriksen
(Wissa) - Toney - Mbeumo

I concede that Janelt and Wissa aren't playing particularly well though, so I've put them in brackets.
 

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Gazza Bee said:
I don't think anybody is dropping Ajer - he is not a RB so should be played in his proper position at CB in a 3 or in a 2 if we go 442 or 433
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See below, I rest my case m'lud.
Leicester Bee said:
I'm not in favour of putting Ajer at right-back, where his lack of pace could get exposed.
I would, however, like to see 4-3-3 because for too long, we have lacked creativity and we need to give ourselves as much of a chance to create chances as possible.

Raya
Canos - Jansson - Pinnock - Henry
Norgaard - (Janelt)
Eriksen
(Wissa) - Toney - Mbeumo

I concede that Janelt and Wissa aren't playing particularly well though, so I've put them in brackets.
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Leicester Bee said:
I'm not in favour of putting Ajer at right-back, where his lack of pace could get exposed.
I would, however, like to see 4-3-3 because for too long, we have lacked creativity and we need to give ourselves as much of a chance to create chances as possible.

Raya
Canos - Jansson - Pinnock - Henry
Norgaard - (Janelt)
Eriksen
(Wissa) - Toney - Mbeumo

I concede that Janelt and Wissa aren't playing particularly well though, so I've put them in brackets.
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I would be very worried with Canos playing RB in a 433 tbh!
 

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Leicester Bee said:
I'm not in favour of putting Ajer at right-back, where his lack of pace could get exposed.
I would, however, like to see 4-3-3 because for too long, we have lacked creativity and we need to give ourselves as much of a chance to create chances as possible.

Raya
Canos - Jansson - Pinnock - Henry
Norgaard - (Janelt)
Eriksen
(Wissa) - Toney - Mbeumo

I concede that Janelt and Wissa aren't playing particularly well though, so I've put them in brackets.
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Thought Wissa was decent on sat
 

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Leicester Bee said:
To be fair, it was hard to judge anyone on Saturday because of the situation. I just think that Wissa's one of those who needs more time to settle.
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been unlucky , no pre season , injuries , Covid etc.
Confident he will be very good next year
 

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Im going a bit outside the box here.

Raya
Roerslev Ajer Jansson Henry
Janelt Norgaard
Canos Eriksen Mbeumo
Toney.

Obviously if anybody isnt fit that will change but i feel like we need to start playing football again, start passing the ball and using a bit of width with Canos and Mbeumo
 

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aawharris said:
Im going a bit outside the box here.

Raya
Roerslev Ajer Jansson Henry
Janelt Norgaard
Canos Eriksen Mbeumo
Toney.

Obviously if anybody isnt fit that will change but i feel like we need to start playing football again, start passing the ball and using a bit of width with Canos and Mbeumo
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Agree totally that we need to start playing football again, and I think Ghoddos deserves a start as he has shown in small glimpses that he
can play football and can contribute a bit more than some of the headless stuff we have seen from FTT and Bapstiste, and the non contribution
from Jensen. Would hope that playing alongside Eriksen behind Toney and Bryan would give us at least a chance of improving our two goals
from the last eight games !
 

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aawharris said:
Im going a bit outside the box here.

Raya
Roerslev Ajer Jansson Henry
Janelt Norgaard
Canos Eriksen Mbeumo
Toney.

Obviously if anybody isnt fit that will change but i feel like we need to start playing football again, start passing the ball and using a bit of width with Canos and Mbeumo
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I know it’s your opinion but you would leave out ethan who is so solid in the air and janelt who has been very out of form recently ?
 

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Mr Cynical said:
Doesn't get any easier does it? The dream midfield trio of Norgaard, DaSilva and Eriksen will have to wait a while, but at least we've now gone from Norgaard plus 2 to Norgaard + Eriksen plus 1, although it doesn't look likely he'll last the full 90 yet. Who to play in that third role though is still a bit of a toss up. Jensen flattered for a few games but has been awful the last couple. Janelt has really struggled with the step up technically, and offered little on the ball on Sat, Baptiste generally goes AWOL and Onyeka's just not good enough if we're looking to play. Ghoddos at times has looked a decent combo of work off the ball and ability on it but then he's had a couple of stinkers when he's started too. I think given Eriksen's lack of match fitness means we'll need someone to do the donkey work for him off the ball which points to either Janelt or Onyeka. Easy choice for Vitaly there. Jensen likely to come on when CE's legs have gone.

We experimented with 4 at the back v Newcastle and it has to be said it was not a great success. Ajer really struggled at RB and it left Pontus and Pinnock heavily exposed in the centre. If we're going to persist with that then we need someone who can play at RB which leaves us with basically Roerslev, Stevens or Oyegoke. Roerslev for me is the pick there but if he plays we need a bit more pace at RCB which points to Ajer ahead of Pontus. Pinnock is a natural LCB so he stays put as does Rico at LB.

Up front is another dilemma. Wissa looked lively at times but equally disinterested in others. Doesn't seem to have got the hang of our pressing game as yet. Mbeumo had a rare bad one but he's an automatic pick for me.. Toney didn't look fit but we need him to start to give us better options going forward. With 3 up front I'd revert to our more succesful Championship set up with Canos wide left and Mbeumo wide right, both capable of cutting in.

Raya, Roerslev, Ajer, Pinnock, Henry, Norgaard, Janelt, Eriksen, Mbeumo, Toney, Canos.

Subs: Alvaro, Pontus, Zanka, Jensen, Ghoddos, Onyeka, Wissa, Baptiste, NYC
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I think this is a well thought out balanced team in the circumstances.

I just can't see TF dropping the Club Captain, he has been ok in the last couple of games and if anything it's Ajer who has looked a little more defensively vulnerable - fully accept he was on a hiding to nothing at RB on Saturday but he didn't do well for Linton's header. I share your reservations about Pontus's pace in a flat back four, I'm not so bothered about putting in Roerslev at RB as I really think he's done ok defensively against some quality opponents with the Sterling penalty the only obvious error that's cost us.

I agree with you attacking trio. Wissa just hasn't done enough for me as as starter. Played better than Mbeumo on Saturday but since the latter has a stinker that's not saying much at all.
 

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Leicester Bee said:
Best of an inadequate bunch in this position. I'd go with him there because he has a bit of pace.
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Fair enough, I would much prefer Roerslev. I think he has been much better than Canos defensively, part from one ill-advised lunge at MC, which was anyway the result of Canos losing the ball just outside our penalty box.
 

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IslandBee said:
Fair enough, I would much prefer Roerslev. I think he has been much better than Canos defensively, part from one ill-advised lunge at MC, which was anyway the result of Canos losing the ball just outside our penalty box.
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To be fair, you could be right. Canos offers a bit going forward though. Roerslev has shown he can perform at times, and so maybe he'd be a better option. Tough one in all honesty.
 

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James30 said:
I know it’s your opinion but you would leave out ethan who is so solid in the air and janelt who has been very out of form recently ?
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Yes.
Jansson wont be left out so it has to be Pinnock to play that system (and please dont say play our record signing at RB) and Janelt + Norgaard are our two best DM (again, in this system) so they have to start together - cant risk FTT running all over the shop not really knowing what he is doing.
 

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Leicester Bee said:
To be fair, you could be right. Canos offers a bit going forward though. Roerslev has shown he can perform at times, and so maybe he'd be a better option. Tough one in all honesty.
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I think if we’re going to go 4-3-3 then there’s a lot less onus on Roerslev to get forward so he’d def be my pick at RB. He’s actually pretty decent when he does get up the pitch anyway, has a very good cross on him and doesn’t usually just lump it in aimlessly.
 

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Mr Cynical said:
I think if we’re going to go 4-3-3 then there’s a lot less onus on Roerslev to get forward so he’d def be my pick at RB. He’s actually pretty decent when he does get up the pitch anyway, has a very good cross on him and doesn’t usually just lump it in aimlessly.
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I just can't see TF dropping one of Pontus, Ethan or Ajer..
 

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Leicester Bee said:
I'm not in favour of putting Ajer at right-back, where his lack of pace could get exposed.
I would, however, like to see 4-3-3 because for too long, we have lacked creativity and we need to give ourselves as much of a chance to create chances as possible.

Raya
Canos - Jansson - Pinnock - Henry
Norgaard - (Janelt)
Eriksen
(Wissa) - Toney - Mbeumo

I concede that Janelt and Wissa aren't playing particularly well though, so I've put them in brackets.
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Lack of pace ?claims to be our 2nd fastest player
 

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davewfilms said:
Lack of pace ?claims to be our 2nd fastest player
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Didn't seem like it to me on Saturday. Newcastle turned him inside out and he looked really slow to me. Maybe I'm being unfair on him, but that's what I thought on Saturday.
 

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Leicester Bee said:
Didn't seem like it to me on Saturday. Newcastle turned him inside out and he looked really slow to me. Maybe I'm being unfair on him, but that's what I thought on Saturday.
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I think he's quick in a straight line for example, running out with the ball from the back, but he's a big fella and having to twist and turn at full back just isn't his game. Bit like Janelt, when he gets motoring going forward he's surprisingly quick but it takes him a while to get going, ask him to turn quickly and chase a player back and he's struggling.
 

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Mr Cynical said:
I think he's quick in a straight line for example, running out with the ball from the back, but he's a big fella and having to twist and turn at full back just isn't his game. Bit like Janelt, when he gets motoring going forward he's surprisingly quick but it takes him a while to get going, ask him to turn quickly and chase a player back and he's struggling.
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Yeah. Fair enough. He's no Rico. Rico is unbelievable on the turn.
 

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Raya
Roerslev Ajer Pontus Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Onyeka Eriksen
Wissa Toney

Much as I like Janelt and Mbeumo, I think both are well below their best form currently. Mbeumo has carried a lot of responsibility in Toney's absence, and it could ease the pressure on him to bring him off the bench in this one.
 

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Bangor Bee said:
Raya
Roerslev Ajer Pontus Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Onyeka Eriksen
Wissa Toney

Much as I like Janelt and Mbeumo, I think both are well below their best form currently. Mbeumo has carried a lot of responsibility in Toney's absence, and it could ease the pressure on him to bring him off the bench in this one.
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I certainly understand your rationale here but Wissa and Toney have hardly played together whereas Mbuemo and Toney had begun to establish a decent partnership by mid-season.
 

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Bangor Bee said:
Raya
Roerslev Ajer Pontus Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Onyeka Eriksen
Wissa Toney

Much as I like Janelt and Mbeumo, I think both are well below their best form currently. Mbeumo has carried a lot of responsibility in Toney's absence, and it could ease the pressure on him to bring him off the bench in this one.
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Quite like your selections
Not sure if it was in your thoughts . If Norgarrd sits deep it would allow Roeslev and Henry pus for and give Ajer and Pinnock cover and outlets. Push Onyeka and Eriksen forward , this could allow very flexible setups

3. or 5. Back line
1. or 1. Defensive Midfield
4. or 2 Forward Midfield
2. or 2. Attack
 

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Bangor Bee said:
Raya
Roerslev Ajer Pontus Pinnock Henry
Norgaard Onyeka Eriksen
Wissa Toney

Much as I like Janelt and Mbeumo, I think both are well below their best form currently. Mbeumo has carried a lot of responsibility in Toney's absence, and it could ease the pressure on him to bring him off the bench in this one.
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Back to the 5-3-2. Mbeumo has had a couple of poor games but gets the vote ahead of Wissa who hasn't shown much to recommend a start in his recent run of games. Onyeka or Janelt is a tough call. Think first season in the PL has caught up with Janelt so can see the logic.
If we do revert to a 5-3-2 I probably do agree with Roerslev as RWB as I don't think he played as badly as others made out before he was dropped and I think Sergi's a better option to come on against one of his former clubs as he does tend to try too hard on occasion.
 

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No immediately obvious solution, so pros and cons of various permutations. I’ve been one of those advocating a move away from 3-5-2 (preferably to 4-3-3, which I think is worth persisting with now - the recent results don’t lie). Problem with a back four is that Ajer may not be best equipped for RB, but you would retain him at CB based on form. If PJ is available he will always be selected, which means putting Ethan on the bench, which is very tough on him.
Further forward I’m assuming CE is ready to start (with MJ as an understudy at some point). Also think we should include Ghoddos, who has the necessary guile and a good shot on him, which means we need a bit more muscle in midfield - hence FTT as well (over Janelt on form).
So it looks like this. Not really a prediction, but my preference.

Raya
Roerslev Ajer PJ Rico
FTT CE Norgaard
Ghoddos IT BM
 

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think I posted already yesterday on another thread but I have 2 tix available for the match in bees end (face value), collection in Twickenham area before Friday or I can meet within a reasonable distance
 
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