The Andy Scott Thread

[Scratchy]

I still think this team is top half material with some tweaks, some sprinkling of good luck and a bit of confidence.

Yesterday was dreadful but I don't think that we are that far away from being a good League 1 side. This season was always going to be one of finding our feet and I think people have got carried away from the success of last season.

What we need now is a bit of calmness from all concerned not mad knee jerk reactions at this stage. Still a lot of games and a lot of points to be played for in this season.

 

[wanderer paul]

Has Andy Scott passed his best before date?

No.

thread closed!

Some talk utter sh*te. MA indeed! Does he have a Championship medal? No. Has MA won a promotion? No. John Still; what has he done in the Football LEague? Kept D & R in it. Wow.

Stay with AS, he sorted out the sh*te under Terry Butcher, he gave us a winning team.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

I still think this team is top half material with some tweaks, some sprinkling of good luck and a bit of confidence.

So do I but some tough decisions need to be made. Personally, I think Charlie Mac and KOC need to have their places put under threat.

 

[KcBee]

What I expect is him sending a team out that has some sort of game plan and not looking like 11 individuals.

Your not not going to win every game and yesterday was an off day. But to question Andy Scott ability to do the job is quite frankly appalling!!

Did you think he knew what he was doing last year when he won us the title??

 

[Bill Benn]

Being quite 'close' to Andy, it's hard to see people on here slagging the bloke off who everyone was up his arse a few months ago, all wanting a piece of him when we won the league.

I remember when I was with him having a beer congratulating him that he was taking it all within his stride not getting 'too' carried away saying that if we were bottom by next christmas they would all be calling for his head...

Despite this, I too have had runnings with him, my loyalties are with Brentford Football Club, the club I have supported for 40 years and not Andy Scott and I too are really dissapointed with the form and results..

Having said that give the bloke a bit of rope and time to get things right, if after the new year we are in the bottom four start to panic but lets see what he can do to turn it around firstly...

I for one was never "up his arse"like the most of the Bees fans we never get to talk with the manager we just cheer when we are winning and moan when we lose yes a few hundred were at the griffin after the Darlington game giving him and the team a deserved welcome home party.I wasnt there but i was at Darlington with 1000 other bees and if i had been would have been the first to shake his hand and offer him a drink the same would have happened anywhere else in the country if their local team were champions.I hardly think this is up his arse.I agree with giving him a bit of rope not far from your view i though give him up to the Leeds home game when we could be well clear hopefully or in the bottom 4 and adrift.As you said you have had your runnings with him well thats all we are doing on here.I remember having a drink and my photo taken with Phill Holder(the most successfull manager in the 49 years i have supported us how pathetic) holding the div 3 champions cup.Whithin 6 months we were all calling for his head. Thats football you know mate

 

[moribee]

I think that's where we depart. For me, it comes down to the fact of whether you believe in your manager or not. You don't ever panic in these situations. Even if we are in the bottom four with 20-23 games there is no need to pull the trigger.

There is a similar parallel twenty years ago that is worth repeating. In the summer of 1989 expectations were high for Brentford and Steve Perryman after a superb FA cup run and the profile of the club lifted up high for the first time in years.

I remember the forecourt demonstration after the cup defeat to Colchester United in November and supporters calling for Perryman's head after a pretty poor set of results. Martin Lange stuck by his appointment and eventually the team went on a great run to the play off zone three months later, with little or no playing additions from the early part of the season.

What Brentford badly needs is stability, not another revolving door. The BFC and BU boards are working towards this so the errors of 2006 and 2007 are not repeated. There will always be sticky patches but it's imperative the supporters encourage the players and let them know we are united in our common goal.

tend to agree............just wish we still had Elder or try Karleigh up front. Sorry I am not a Cort fan from what I have seen,which is a lot less than some of you on here,but the bloke cant jump. I also get very confused in my head about Wood and Weston. I have never seen them playing in same position but when I take a step back I cant find room for both. Its an age thing,midfielder and winger are two separate places.

 

[Bill Benn]

Just seen Brighton have sacked Slade after doing well to keep them up last season and only 3 points worse off than us.Will be interesting to see where they and the other 2 clubs below us who have sacked their managers early end up at the end of the season.

 

[Nick Hester]

Just seen Brighton have sacked Slade after doing well to keep them up last season and only 3 points worse off than us.Will be interesting to see where they and the other 2 clubs below us who have sacked their managers early end up at the end of the season.

He'd only been in the job for eight months ffs!

 

[scruff puppy pup]

We have to face up to relegation being a real possibility and not bury our heads in the sand. We have a very difficult schedule in December, if we don't turn things around in November, then I expect us to be in the bottom two by the end of the year. I am right now pessimistic, simply because I don't feel this team has goals in them. We scored three on the opening day and haven't scored more than two in a game since.
I don't want to be disloyal to Andy Scott, but John Still would get them coming back through the turnstiles. Would he leave Dagenham for us though?

 

[Nick Hester]

We have to face up to relegation being a real possibility and not bury our heads in the sand. We have a very difficult schedule in December, if we don't turn things around in November, then I expect us to be in the bottom two by the end of the year. I am right now pessimistic, simply because I don't feel this team has goals in them. We scored three on the opening day and haven't scored more than two in a game since.
I don't want to be disloyal to Andy Scott, but John Still would get them coming back through the turnstiles. Would he leave Dagenham for us though?

Why would he get people through the turnstiles?

Good Non League Manager I agree....

 

[Stanley]

He'd only been in the job for eight months ffs!

The panic season has started early..

 

[scruff puppy pup]

He'd only been in the job for eight months ffs!

It's like that. Tough. But it's like that. He got longer than John Barnes.

 

[basingstoke-bee (:]

i don't see how people can be talking about him going,
this is just my opinion obviously, but he came in and virtually saved us from relegation, got us promotion as champions, and ok we haven't started this season brilliantly but every team goes through a rough patch at some point.. we could be worse off, i mean look at wycombe! surely people talking about him having to go isn't going to give him any confidence what so ever.. things can't go our way all the time, as soon as we have a terrible performance people question his ability! this is a hard league and there is plenty of time for him to get it right!
saying that hes passed his best before date is ridiculous!!

 

[scruff puppy pup]

Why would he get people through the turnstiles?

Good Non League Manager I agree....

'Cos his teams play attacking football and score goals. It's not rocket science.

 

[south coast bees]

Couldn't agree more.

Things aren't good at present and there is much to work on.

However we are higher than the other three sides that got promoted with us.

Maddog took Cheltenham down last year and they are struggling this year, why does a previous good spell in charge mean he will be the answer to our current problems?

All managers go through rough spells. We need stability at this club and whatever peoples views of Scotty one thing I do know is he bleeds red and white and he will be hurting as much as any of us with recent performances.

Let him show us if he has the ability to turn this rough spell around. Sacking every manager we have after a bad, but fairly short term, run of results and performances is ridiculous.

Agreed 100%

 

[Chorlton Bee]

Can I just say that it's 'run-ins' rather than 'runnings', thanks.

 

[hanworthbee]

no surprise that people want him out less than 3 months after saying he could go far in the game, some of you are fickle, he needs time

 

[Bill Benn]

He'd only been in the job for eight months ffs!

I think its very harsh but its the climate of football at the moment.

 

[Bill Benn]

Why would he get people through the turnstiles?

Good Non League Manager I agree....

He has just signed a 5 year contract, bit unfair saying good non league manager how would Andy manage on 2000 gates and having to lose half his team every year and get his suits from primark.I have a lot of time for him saw him in their club house before they mullered us 3 0 last season very impressed how he spoke to the staff and his general down to earth stance.His team is sitting ahead of the big spending Notts County and nearly double the points of our hero Martins Cheltenham.Give him some respect good old school manager.

 

[Bill Benn]

Yes, they lost form but the point I was making that it was the same set of players that played badly, added to the fact the Chairman had confidence in his manager to turn things around.

I still think this team is top half material with some tweaks, some sprinkling of good luck and a bit of confidence.

The trouble is Mark if you had gone to the game, as loyal as you are to the manager i think this might not have been your view.re your last para.

 

[magicbees]

So do I but some tough decisions need to be made. Personally, I think Charlie Mac and KOC need to have their places put under threat.

You and I agreeing on something, what will happen next.

lol

 

[Les Beeavinu]

You and I agreeing on something, what will happen next.

lol

You can't be wrong all the time.

 

[DavidgRushden]

Talk of AS being sacked at this stage of the season are surely very premature. There are clubs below us with considerably less points. We are only 7 points away from the play-off positions in a very tight league, and i wonder what the reactions would be if we had 2 straight wins in the league in the next 2 matches. It is unfortunate we have joined this league in a season which probably exhibits the strongest number of clubs(with money as well), that there has been for many seasons. My criticism of AS is, that I wish he would start matches with Osborne and Saunders, rather than send them on when virtually all hope is gone. As to the criticism on here of Charlie McDonald, I do believe a player like Strevens would be a much better partner up front than the present lot, and the sooner he returns the better.

 

[NEW RD bee]

It appears tpo me that AS allways blaims his players, yet he should take the responsibility for what goes on. first we had to watch playrs playing out of posistion now the players are in there right posistion the problems are still the same, does AS think he is God and can do no wrong, its about time the BFC board had him in for a chat as I think he is now clearly past his sale by date.
The performancs yesterday ranks in my five worse displays ever along with yeovil, and I have been watching the bees for 47 years. :mad1:

that yesterday was 2nd worst ive seen in 36 years of home and away games . yeovil away this season was the worst . some thing has to change if not we are going down . this league is to strong to be playing cr-p

 

[brentfordnut]

What baffles me is that myles weston again came on in his preferred position on the wing and did OK yesterday;as he did last week.Why then didnt he start or have more of the game against Exeter.I maintain that when he came on there was some urgency to our play that had missing up to then. Andy;Weston has to start!!!

 

[blunstone]

He's going through a rough patch.

This is first mangerial job and he is still learning, he is going to make mistakes, I think people are going far to over the top with their views on Scott and how he should go.

And while that peformance was bad its nowhere near my five worst peformances ever.

Andy will turn it round and is the right man for the job, he just needs to sit down and think about a few things. Maybe Terry Buillavent should have a word, or he should ring up Ray Lewington or one of his other previous coaches/managers for a bit of advice.

Andy will get it right.

POST OF THE WEEK!!!!!


We are still doing the best of the clubs that have come up from a very average 2nd division to a much tougher 1st Division.


Andy (unlike most managers) is a very bright bloke and he will deliver safety this season. Maybe not much more but it won't go to the wire. Have faith.

The last thing we need is to pay off yet another manager and start all over again.

 

[Westlad]

We have to face up to relegation being a real possibility and not bury our heads in the sand. We have a very difficult schedule in December, if we don't turn things around in November, then I expect us to be in the bottom two by the end of the year. I am right now pessimistic, simply because I don't feel this team has goals in them. We scored three on the opening day and haven't scored more than two in a game since.
I don't want to be disloyal to Andy Scott, but John Still would get them coming back through the turnstiles. Would he leave Dagenham for us though?

What experience does Still have in league 1? Why would we get rid of AS who won league 2, on the basis he can't manage at this level and replace him with someone who got a team to 8th in league 2?

 

[magicbees]

You can't be wrong all the time.

Or you can be right sometimes.

 

[Sweepy]

Scott got us up as champions, Allen blew it. No going back to Allen whatever.

Sacking Scott would be a stupid move. I've been a bit disappointed in him this year but if you look at where we were when he became manager,we have come along way. However, I think we have substantial problems and as stated elsewhere I think relegation is a very real possibility. Scott has to learn from what has gone wrong and right so far and act accordingly. I think he can.

I agree with this. And to be honest, I hope you're right because I cannot see him being sacked, and I think it would be callous to do so in the November after winning promotion. Our club would be slated by the media for a start, and rightfully so.

A warning from history though is where we go come February/March if we are hanging over the relegation trap door. Winning the League 2 title is no use to anyone if we're back to square one twelve months later. In 1993, and a mere 12 months after pipping Birmingham and Stoke City to the old Third Division title, Phil Holder had become a figure of fun, and was dismissed in a move opposed by very few. Where the problem lies is that I for one would not want to call for Scotty to leave at any stage, there will be many fans who feel the same, and I imagine there would certainly be hostility to any such move in the dressing room and the board room.

Our best hope lies with the decisions that are made during the January transfer window (and loan spells). The side that lost 3-0 to Exeter won 2-0 there just 10 months ago - an indication of the decline and how the stream of talented loan players seems to have dried up.

Finally, I want to make a point about Allen as mentioned in the above quote. Downbeat Bee, you forgot to mention that Allen also blew promotion from League 2 with the MK Dons, certainly on a much higher budget than Scotty had. As good as Allen was for us at the time, I know which Manager I would rather have.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

I have heard it said, by the bint on the football league show, That AS could be out on his ear by weds, If, and only if, would a call to maddog be such a bad idea

There is no way Andy Scott will be going on Wed. He is having a rough ride at the moment. but he will get over it. You cannot sack a guy that took you up last season. He needs time, and that was always on the cards imo.

 

[TW3Bee]

I have heard it said, by the bint on the football league show, That AS could be out on his ear by weds, If, and only if, would a call to maddog be such a bad idea

Did you actually watch the programme?

She said that they ha heard that MA would be sacked by Wednesday.

 

[twickenhambee!]

IN AS WE MUST TRUST!

 

[sleekerslee]

The defence is fine. The midfield is creative and i can't see scoring goals being a problem. Why worry.

 

[DavidgRushden]

I didn't see the programme that said about Andy being sacked by Wednesday. Can anybody enlighten those of us that saw and heard this crap, and also what the source was for such rubbish, please.

 

[bussbee]

The Trouble with the Bees is that the Midfield ( ie the Engine room of any team ) Fails week after week to control the Midfield !!,thus causing pressure on Both the defence,and not linking up with our strikers!!.The other teams dominate the midfield.How many goals have we conceded from set pieces? .The mind just boggles,its simply not good enough !!. And its no good for Mr Scott to blame the players week after week,I dont care if they have egg and spoon races during training.Its how they perform on match days that count!!If they are not up to standard then get rid of them,and bring in players who play with passion and wear the shirt with pride!!! from the start!!.End of rant, from a supporter since 1950

 

[Inappropriate Smilies Bee]

I didn't see the programme that said about Andy being sacked by Wednesday. Can anybody enlighten those of us that saw and heard this crap, and also what the source was for such rubbish, please.

the bird said that cheltenham fans had been emailing/texting in saying there are big rumours that MARTIN ALLEN would be sacked on wednesday. didn't hear Andy Scott mentioned but have a look on BBC iPLAYER innit.

 

[JTofBFC]

Just seen Brighton have sacked Slade after doing well to keep them up last season and only 3 points worse off than us.Will be interesting to see where they and the other 2 clubs below us who have sacked their managers early end up at the end of the season.

It is a bit of a concern that of the 8 teams below us, 3 of them have recently changed Managers (Tranmere. Wycombe, Brighton) or will have when they appoint somebody in the case of two of them. It would be usual to see their results improve at least for the honeymoon period. Brighton apparantly have some half baked idea they are going to get Coppell. Yeah righto.

With Southampton one of the others below us clearly in a false position, it does demonstrate that we need to start picking up points quickly if we aren't to be dragged further into this mire.

Any talk of getting rid of Scott is however way off beam. I'm not suggesting that we wouldn't /shouldn't change if we needed a boost with 10 games to go and it was looking grim but I genuinely think he can turn this around in the next dozen or so games.

Anything above 17th can be called a good result this year though but it is a worry that there may not be any/hardly any teams this year that are genuine relegation fodder so it is likely to be very tight down there for a number of clubs - including ourselves.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Some very short sighted and short on memory posts on this thread.
I'll put it down to the inclement weather and something in the water.
Look at the big picture and step back from the recent poor run. Are we a better club than before Andy took over. YES.
Will we get relegated this season ?
WHO KNOWS BUT WE WILL BE BETTER OFF STICKING WITH ANDY AND BEING LOYAL TO THE CLUB THAN CHANGING FOR SOME UNKNOWN OPTION.
I think we are only 7 points short of the play offs and its only the start of November.

 

[FlyBee]

This thread reminds me why I bother posting less and less on the GPG. For heavens sake.

 

[shouldbee]

IN AS WE MUST TRUST!

Perhaps you will be reminded of this when we're playing Accrington next season ?

I'm not saying we should bring back Martin Allen, but let's examine the facts...

AS says he believes in the passing game but what do we see week in week out...the midfield being by-passed ( probably not a bad thing) and long hopeful balls up to Charlie, so are these his tactics or are the players not following his instructions ?
At least Allen was up front about the way he wanted his team to play ? He saved us from falling out of the league and took us to 2 play-offs, so perhaps all the people who knock the guy ought to cast their minds back.
He may not have taken us up but IMO it was the best time I have ever had watching the Bees.

Transfers...
Martin Allen signed;
Michael Turner
Sam Sodje
Deon Burton
DJ Campbell

Three of them now playing at bigger clubs and Turner being touted as the next England centre half.

Scott signings include;
Leon Legge
Steve Kabba
Cleveland Taylor
David Hunt
Carl Cort

So pehaps it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one day MA will return

 

[Chorlton Bee]

Perhaps you will be reminded of this when we're playing Accrington next season ?

I'm not saying we should bring back Martin Allen, but let's examine the facts...

AS says he believes in the passing game but what do we see week in week out...the midfield being by-passed ( probably not a bad thing) and long hopeful balls up to Charlie, so are these his tactics or are the players not following his instructions ?
At least Allen was up front about the way he wanted his team to play ? He saved us from falling out of the league and took us to 2 play-offs, so perhaps all the people who knock the guy ought to cast their minds back.
He may not have taken us up but IMO it was the best time I have ever had watching the Bees.

Transfers...
Martin Allen signed;
Michael Turner
Sam Sodje
Deon Burton
DJ Campbell

Three of them now playing at bigger clubs and Turner being touted as the next England centre half.

Scott signings include;
Leon Legge
Steve Kabba
Cleveland Taylor
David Hunt
Carl Cort

So pehaps it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one day MA will return

Perhaps Steve Perryman will return too, neither are here now, and harping back to ex-managers is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

 

[Jimbee]

This thread reminds me why I bother posting less and less on the GPG. For heavens sake.

 

[Ubee]

To be honest I am even amazed there is a thread regarding this.

I agree. This is ridiculous - people have been brainwashed by Premiershite boom-and-bust football.
You can buy success - but it doesn't last, and the clubs that do are likely to crash and burn. What we need is stability, with a manager that builds an ethos around the club, bringing through young players and developing our potential. Calling for heads to roll is unbelievably short sighted, and is a disservice to the club.

 

[SCBee]

Has Andy Scott passed his best before date?

No

 

[Jimbee]

Perhaps you will be reminded of this when we're playing Accrington next season ?

I'm not saying we should bring back Martin Allen, but let's examine the facts...

AS says he believes in the passing game but what do we see week in week out...the midfield being by-passed ( probably not a bad thing) and long hopeful balls up to Charlie, so are these his tactics or are the players not following his instructions ?
At least Allen was up front about the way he wanted his team to play ? He saved us from falling out of the league and took us to 2 play-offs, so perhaps all the people who knock the guy ought to cast their minds back.
He may not have taken us up but IMO it was the best time I have ever had watching the Bees.

Transfers...
Martin Allen signed;
Michael Turner
Sam Sodje
Deon Burton
DJ Campbell

Three of them now playing at bigger clubs and Turner being touted as the next England centre half.

Scott signings include;
Leon Legge
Steve Kabba
Cleveland Taylor
David Hunt
Carl Cort

So pehaps it's not beyond the realms of possibility that one day MA will return

lol What you want to do is give a bit more weight to your argument with your comparisons.

 

[Jimbee]

that yesterday was 2nd worst ive seen in 36 years of home and away games .

Of course it was.

 

[Simon C]

lol What you want to do is give a bit more weight to your argument with your comparisons.

Brooker, Skulason, Willock, Claridge

 

[maddogging]

I agree. This is ridiculous - people have been brainwashed by Premiershite boom-and-bust football.
You can buy success - but it doesn't last, and the clubs that do are likely to crash and burn. What we need is stability, with a manager that builds an ethos around the club, bringing through young players and developing our potential. Calling for heads to roll is unbelievably short sighted, and is a disservice to the club.

Totally agree.

 

[nick-knock]

The trouble is that after a great year maybe just maybe he has got too big for his boots.
The team yes is not playing well and hasnt really since Norwich.
He bought in a lot of new players and some are too similar Weston,Taylor ,Wood and some like Gabba past it!
Not a regular goal scorer among them.
Bennets alarming drop in form and seeming lack of appreciation for Phillips make you wonder if all is right at the club.
The most worrying aspects are failing to recuit Rhodes or Clarke or getting some one similar on loan and blaming the players openly.
Never seen a top manager doing that.
Give him 6 games or a decent higher league loan signing or 2.
I would take Coppel back tommorrow but we coulnt afford him.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

I would take Coppel back tommorrow but we coulnt afford him.

which makes it absolutely pointless posting it.