The Andy Scott Thread

[malvernbee]

Sorry but this is a stupid thread.

Tounge in cheek on another topic I posted that November would be the first thread on AS to go would start.....There's as much chance of us going down as John & Edward having the Christmas No: 1.

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Tounge in cheek on another topic I posted that November would be the first thread on AS to go would start.....There's as much chance of us going down as John & Edward having the Christmas No: 1.

Current odds - John and Edward 6/1 to win X Factor. Odds for X factor winner being number one at Christmas - 1/10 on.



I hope no-one threw last year's roadmaps away.

 

[brooks]

There's as much chance of us going down as John & Edward having the Christmas No: 1.

Based on what? That's a purely hypothetical statement. There seem to be plenty of people on this board who look at the table, one third of the season gone, and see a club struggling. There's no settled side; they can't score; they leak goals; the midfield is dodgy etc. By December Southampton will be above us leaving 7 or 8 clubs including Brentford to scrap it out at the bottom. If you say the players are capable of playing well enough to stay up then that's a different matter but they don't seem too interested in doing that at the moment. I hope we stay up as we do have some decent players but I can understand what other people are worried about.

 

[Gee Bee]

certainly not to be over-awed by the likes of Swindon, Walsall, Hartlepool, Orient, Brighton, (the 3 other promoted teams) Carlisle, Stockport etc.

Swindon 22pts , Walsall 20pts, Hartlepool 20pts, Orient 16pts, Brighton 14pts
Carlisle 17pt, Stockport 14pts,

Brentford 17pts are so far adrift aren't they?

 

[condorman]

panic panic panic sack manager hire manager panic panic panic panic sack manager hire manager panic panic panic etc etc

AS got us up. he deserves the right to try to keep us up. Things aren't perfect but we are not in the relegation spots and he is yet to be able to play his intended forward line for the season.

I think he's stubborn at times and frustrating at times but blimey we've done a lot worse over recent years.

 

[Chorlton Bee]

Brentford 17pts are so far adrift aren't they?

I didn't say we were, I'm just tired of this sack cloth and ashes, "oh we should be so grateful to be in the same league", forelock touching that some have.

 

[rebus]

Odds for X factor winner being number one at Christmas - 1/10 on.

Better than sticking it in the bank. Lump on!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Better than sticking it in the bank. Lump on!

Beware of dead pop singers.

 

[blunstone]

panic panic panic sack manager hire manager panic panic panic panic sack manager hire manager panic panic panic etc etc

AS got us up. he deserves the right to try to keep us up. Things aren't perfect but we are not in the relegation spots and he is yet to be able to play his intended forward line for the season.

I think he's stubborn at times and frustrating at times but blimey we've done a lot worse over recent years.

I have included Condorman's quote (above) because it is relevant and in my opinion spot-on.

Another relevant quote is "we live in a world where judgements are only made in the present. That’s why it’s so important directors are strong enough to resist reacting to that....."

The second quote is by Ansene Wegner. No not on AS but on Benitez.

 

[rhprice]

:crazy1:

In his new book Unseen Academicals, Terry Pratchett refers to a certain type pf culture as being like a crab pot. Put crabs in a bucket and as soon as one tries to climb out anlother will grab its leg and pull it back in.

The GPG is no longer a cesspool of vitriol, it's a crab pot. Bring on the brown bread and mayonnaise.

would that be the same terry pratchet that forgot were he left all his crab pots

 

[Jimbee]

Yes this division is stronger than usual this term, however I fail to see why a club of our size, can't rightly claim to see itself on a par or above, certainly not to be over-awed by the likes of Swindon, Walsall, Hartlepool, Orient, Brighton, (the 3 other promoted teams) Carlisle, Stockport etc.

Are we not competitive with all of the teams you mention? Our expectations have been set too high and I think that part of the blame for that lies within the Club as a result of noises made during t he close season. Now realism has been restored, it's clear that we are a mid table side that could get dragged into a dog fight if this sort of form is maintained all season.

Andy Scott exceeded expectations of the vast majority of us who would happily have seen him depart with Butcher. If you heard Ferguson, Benitez or Wenger being critical of individuals after a defeat, what would your reaction as a neutral be? Too often, the managers blame the officials when thing go wrong.

Andy Scott dropped Bennett which came as a surprise although it seems that it was the popular belief but we still got thumped away. I hope he didn't do that because he reads the views of the fans. Criticising the players in the media in the may be effective as a one-off but doing it continuously is an admission of his failure. Unless he's completely dumb, that line has to stop.

To me, the quality of the squad is so far ahead of the one that went down in 2007 and the potential to challenge for a play off place is there with a bit of confidence and a couple of faces on loan. There's no comparison as that side was down by Christmas and this one is on a very ropey run but 3 straight wins would put us back near the top 6.

Has anyone got a spare tin hat?

 

[beesbees_bfc]

I don't have time to get on the GPG during the week unfortunately so coming in late on this one.

Personally I'm disappointed with the amount of opinions that AS is reaching the end of the road with us. He took over from Butcher and inherited a struggling side languishing at the wrong end of League 2, he got the lads playing and at one stage looked to be pushing towards the play offs- we fell away considerably but any worries of relegation had gone.

He compiled a team the next summer and was open in his ambitions for promotion (unlike Martin Allen's lets get 50 points first line) and not only delivered that but delivered the title. He brought in exceptional loan playes whenever needed and made sure we bounced back from nightmare evenings like Chester and Barrow. All epitomised by the glorious afternoon away at Darlington.

Ok, this year hasn't started as brilliantly as we all hoped albeit with our slightly ambitious hopes for the season in one of the toughest Division 3 I've ever seen. I've got faith in Andy to follow a similar route as Bristol Rovers recently - survival/mid table first year - play off challenge second year then maybe cement a top 6 place the following year, something I certainly believe they're capable of this year.

We all moan about modern players/managers having no loyalty to their clubs, well why not show we have to our leader who's done a fantastic job this far and show him and the players that we've got confidence they'll all turn it round.

And finally, talk of AS losing the dressing room, we can play a part in that - if the players can see and hear then fans respecting the man thats brought us back to L1 and signing his name loudly and in large numbers, hopefully they'll think - these people who are in a position to judge this team are behind him so we better roll our sleeves up and do the same - on the flip side if they get wind of moans and groans of discontent and doubts about AS itll enhance or create any doubts they may or may not have already had!

Don't think I've ever written a post this long or read one, must be something to do with being roped into family commitments this afternoon and missing the first Saturday game of the season so I appreciate people may not read all this but I for one am 100% behind Andy Scott.

 

[blunstone]

I'm just tired of this sack cloth and ashes, "oh we should be so grateful to be in the same league", forelock touching that some have.

after 40 years of watching the bees i am sorry that we are not (at least) in the championship. not much to ask in forty years!

but we had a big fright and looked like plunging out of the league altogether not long ago and i, for one, am thankful that we have a decent chairman, manager, coach, board, some half decent players and now a benefactor too.

we aren't in administration and are paying our bills and the wages too! and we are back in division one.

so things are on the up again and for that i'd happilly touch my forelock. but being an old fart i don't have one!!!

 

[south coast bees]

I don't have time to get on the GPG during the week unfortunately so coming in late on this one.

Personally I'm disappointed with the amount of opinions that AS is reaching the end of the road with us. He took over from Butcher and inherited a struggling side languishing at the wrong end of League 2, he got the lads playing and at one stage looked to be pushing towards the play offs- we fell away considerably but any worries of relegation had gone.

He compiled a team the next summer and was open in his ambitions for promotion (unlike Martin Allen's lets get 50 points first line) and not only delivered that but delivered the title. He brought in exceptional loan playes whenever needed and made sure we bounced back from nightmare evenings like Chester and Barrow. All epitomised by the glorious afternoon away at Darlington.

Ok, this year hasn't started as brilliantly as we all hoped albeit with our slightly ambitious hopes for the season in one of the toughest Division 3 I've ever seen. I've got faith in Andy to follow a similar route as Bristol Rovers recently - survival/mid table first year - play off challenge second year then maybe cement a top 6 place the following year, something I certainly believe they're capable of this year.

We all moan about modern players/managers having no loyalty to their clubs, well why not show we have to our leader who's done a fantastic job this far and show him and the players that we've got confidence they'll all turn it round.

And finally, talk of AS losing the dressing room, we can play a part in that - if the players can see and hear then fans respecting the man thats brought us back to L1 and signing his name loudly and in large numbers, hopefully they'll think - these people who are in a position to judge this team are behind him so we better roll our sleeves up and do the same - on the flip side if they get wind of moans and groans of discontent and doubts about AS itll enhance or create any doubts they may or may not have already had!

Don't think I've ever written a post this long or read one, must be something to do with being roped into family commitments this afternoon and missing the first Saturday game of the season so I appreciate people may not read all this but I for one am 100% behind Andy Scott.

A very good post,well said

 

[The Pipe]

I dont think that anyone with any sence is calling for AS to be sacked but there is certainly a growing feeling that the team are underperforming dramaticly and the spectre of relegation is looming fast. This tends to lead to over reaction from some and the equally ridiculous views that As can do no wrong cos he took us up last season.

The actual answer lies somewhere in the middle and as this is a fans message board then everyone is entitled to their say from whichever side of the battle lines they are.

My own take is that I do not think As has put together a squad that is capable of getting out of this league by way of promotion, not so sure about relegation. I am conscerned at the tactics that are evident and some of his decisions totaly baffle me. He has stated that he is happy with the squad that he has put together and I applaud him for saying it in public, I hope however that when he and TB discuss team affairs they have a somewhat different slant on the squad.

We are playing today in a game that has banana skin written large and no doubt if we lose then this thread will be full of people looking for a change in management, however I genuinley do not beleive that is the answer providing there is evidence that AS learns from mistakes and that is something that I worry about as I am not sure that it is the case. If he learns and puts things right then irrespective we need stability and that means AS remains Manager whether in this division or the next. However if we see a continuation of AS knows best and the players are not following instructions etc and thers is no evidence of any changes to tactics systems personnel etc then unfortunately I beleive that at that point the board need to face some significant decisions.

For the moment I expect to see no change in Management but would like to see that the Manager of MY club is putting the needs of the team in front of his personal ambitions or persona.

 

[Wise old Bee]

after 40 years of watching the bees i am sorry that we are not (at least) in the championship. not much to ask in forty years!

Quite right and the Butcher period was so much worse than the mid 60s and then the Everitt years and served as a nasty reminder to me of what has gone before. I always think we should be a top ten side in the third tier but we should have had more than one journey into the second in my time. The older I get the more I am prepared to settle for one really good away win at a top premiership side in the cup or, failing that, a victory of any sort over QPR. Not much to ask either I reckon and if AS achieves this that'll do for me.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Sometimes you talk a lot of sense Mr Pipe but to pick you up on your last point - the best way AS can enhance his own reputation is to do well with the Bees. I too do not think this squad is good enough to go up but then again I didnt set my sights that high - 1st season back in league 1

 

[Easter 1959]

I don't have time to get on the GPG during the week unfortunately so coming in late on this one.

Personally I'm disappointed with the amount of opinions that AS is reaching the end of the road with us. He took over from Butcher and inherited a struggling side languishing at the wrong end of League 2, he got the lads playing and at one stage looked to be pushing towards the play offs- we fell away considerably but any worries of relegation had gone.

He compiled a team the next summer and was open in his ambitions for promotion (unlike Martin Allen's lets get 50 points first line) and not only delivered that but delivered the title. He brought in exceptional loan playes whenever needed and made sure we bounced back from nightmare evenings like Chester and Barrow. All epitomised by the glorious afternoon away at Darlington.

Ok, this year hasn't started as brilliantly as we all hoped albeit with our slightly ambitious hopes for the season in one of the toughest Division 3 I've ever seen. I've got faith in Andy to follow a similar route as Bristol Rovers recently - survival/mid table first year - play off challenge second year then maybe cement a top 6 place the following year, something I certainly believe they're capable of this year.

We all moan about modern players/managers having no loyalty to their clubs, well why not show we have to our leader who's done a fantastic job this far and show him and the players that we've got confidence they'll all turn it round.

And finally, talk of AS losing the dressing room, we can play a part in that - if the players can see and hear then fans respecting the man thats brought us back to L1 and signing his name loudly and in large numbers, hopefully they'll think - these people who are in a position to judge this team are behind him so we better roll our sleeves up and do the same - on the flip side if they get wind of moans and groans of discontent and doubts about AS itll enhance or create any doubts they may or may not have already had!

Don't think I've ever written a post this long or read one, must be something to do with being roped into family commitments this afternoon and missing the first Saturday game of the season so I appreciate people may not read all this but I for one am 100% behind Andy Scott.

Top post, nailed on; everyone should come together, the Team, the Club, the Management and the Fans.

Confidence amongst us all will get over the sticky patch and push the Club forward.

 

[Thorne In The Side]

Current odds - John and Edward 6/1 to win X Factor. Odds for X factor winner being number one at Christmas - 1/10 on.

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1/10 on - I assume that means 10/1 then?

 

[southey]

I dont think that anyone with any sence is calling for AS to be sacked but there is certainly a growing feeling that the team are underperforming dramaticly and the spectre of relegation is looming fast. This tends to lead to over reaction from some and the equally ridiculous views that As can do no wrong cos he took us up last season.

The actual answer lies somewhere in the middle and as this is a fans message board then everyone is entitled to their say from whichever side of the battle lines they are.

My own take is that I do not think As has put together a squad that is capable of getting out of this league by way of promotion, not so sure about relegation. I am conscerned at the tactics that are evident and some of his decisions totaly baffle me. He has stated that he is happy with the squad that he has put together and I applaud him for saying it in public, I hope however that when he and TB discuss team affairs they have a somewhat different slant on the squad.

We are playing today in a game that has banana skin written large and no doubt if we lose then this thread will be full of people looking for a change in management, however I genuinley do not beleive that is the answer providing there is evidence that AS learns from mistakes and that is something that I worry about as I am not sure that it is the case. If he learns and puts things right then irrespective we need stability and that means AS remains Manager whether in this division or the next. However if we see a continuation of AS knows best and the players are not following instructions etc and thers is no evidence of any changes to tactics systems personnel etc then unfortunately I beleive that at that point the board need to face some significant decisions.

For the moment I expect to see no change in Management but would like to see that the Manager of MY club is putting the needs of the team in front of his personal ambitions or persona.

great post well said

 

[Paul USA]

I fully agree with the poster 2 or 3 above that says we should ALL come together.

Perhaps our management, players could read that - Perhaps then more than 2 will bother to say thanks to the fans who travelled to Yeovil and Exeter to SUPPORT them and the 2 (see Bill Benn post) who bothered to say thanks at Gateshead today.

The travelling supporters are doing their bit and a bit more - If it is not appreciated then maybe they will not bother anymore.

Those that travel SUPPORT the team in good numbers on away travels. Maybe, just maybe AS, or the players themselves even ! could take the time think about what that costs - A simple few steps to the travelling supporters and a hand clap or two costs them nothing but will endear them to the travelling support after the types of result such as Yeovil, Exteter, Gateshead.

 

[Debut1949]

It was always a nonsense that the club caved in to the nonsensical chants of a section of the crowd in relation to the departure of Leroy Rosenior before he had any real opportunity to build a side after many of the mainstays of the previous manager's team had left. The outcome then was relegation.

Any similar challenge to the position of AS by disgruntled fans would be a similar nonsense. In practice though this time round it is likely that AS would be able to rely on support within the club built up over a decade or more in a way that LR could not.

My own view of AS as a manager formed from a distance is that he goes about his job in an intelligent manner and is not afraid to make decisions in his quest for the winning formula - a quest that may in the future lead to another promotion.

Where I disagree with AS is in his tendency to generate an inferiority complex. Thus, for instance, he has recently been reported as saying :-

"If you look at the top ten in this league we cannot come close to competing with them financially, and that even goes for some of the teams below us. We are punching above our weight and you can't do that consistently without dips"

If this is, indeed, what he said many would regard it as an attempt to get his excuses in first. As far as supporters are concerned teams compete on the pitch; they do not compete financially. Can anyone think that Brian Clough sent his Nottingham Forest team into the European Cup Final with the words "we are punching obove our weight" embedded in its psyche.

 

[Sweepy]

It was always a nonsense that the club caved in to the nonsensical chants of a section of the crowd in relation to the departure of Leroy Rosenior before he had any real opportunity to build a side after many of the mainstays of the previous manager's team had left. The outcome then was relegation.

Except results were becoming dramatically worse as the season progressed; not better. If he was rebuilding successfully, then the opposite trend ought to have applied.

 

[Deleted member 2202]

Except results were becoming dramatically worse as the season progressed; not better. If he was rebuilding successfully, then the opposite trend ought to have applied.

Yep - we were losing every home game 4-0, Leroy had to go and should have never been appointed in the first place. We'd probably have amassed far fewer points than our meagre total if he'd stayed.

 

[bognor bees]

You're doubting AS?!

It appears tpo me that AS allways blaims his players, yet he should take the responsibility for what goes on. first we had to watch playrs playing out of posistion now the players are in there right posistion the problems are still the same, does AS think he is God and can do no wrong, its about time the BFC board had him in for a chat as I think he is now clearly past his sale by date.
The performancs yesterday ranks in my five worse displays ever along with yeovil, and I have been watching the bees for 47 years. :mad1:

How can you doubt AS? Are you forgetting that in his first full season in charge we were league champions? We've played 15 games and this is AS's first season managing a league 1 side-perhaps he just needs time to adjust. He is definately the right man for the job in my eyes.
COME ON BEES!!

 

[blunstone]

well said bognor bees......

 

[West Wilts Bee]

How can you doubt AS? Are you forgetting that in his first full season in charge we were league champions? We've played 15 games and this is AS's first season managing a league 1 side-perhaps he just needs time to adjust. He is definately the right man for the job in my eyes.
COME ON BEES!!

I can quie easily, Yes he got us promotion. That was last season, this is now.
Imo this seasons signings have been poor. The quality of football we are(are not Playing) is frankly rubbish. Anyone that thinks otherwise does not know much about football. I also think that Scott was hailed the new messiah a bit too soon. It's not just Scott who should take the blame, it's the players on the pitch, wgo again IMO have under performed. However it is time for management and players to come together, as I sense this has not been the case. b***ocking our players in public is a no no, and does not say much for his man management skills.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

It's all very well to encourage us all to just get behind the team, but there are those among us who sense that something is not right. The team has stopped playing any kind of decent football, for quite some time now.

 

[Fishing Bee]

WWB - absolutely correct that #ollocking the players publicly is a no no. However this has occurred more than once and, as you state, "does not say much for (his) man management skills". Perhaps this is why, after yesterdays performance, i believe the after match statement was that we "showed improvement"!. It ain't looking good to me but let's stay with the majority opinion and not panic just yet - let's get the christmas campaign out the way first!.

 

[Niyx]

let's get the christmas campaign out the way first!.

:grey:

 

[beebopalula]

:grey:

And if by Christmas [ we have a tough programme coming up ] we find ourselves in the bottom four-what then?

 

[1markbee]

He either brings in a couple on loan or he may aswell start looking for a new job. Last season when we needed to bring a loanee in he was very quick off the mark....... whats difference now? We are in a very worrying position. The panic button is very close to be pressed!!!!!

 

[JTofBFC]

Changing the Manager again is absolutely the last thing we should consider. We have been on this merrygoround too often in recent years and it is very difficult to find someone at the right price who can deliver what we want.

I think after last season we all thought that in Andy Scott (despite misgivings when he was appointed) that we had at last found someone that we could stick with for a while and who in turn would show some loyalty to the club.

We certainly haven't reached a situation where we need to doubt that decision. We haven't played well consistently this year there is no doubt about that. We have issues with several areas of the team and in some of these it is concerning that the team management don't seem to see the problems in the same way.

But , this is a competitive league - probably as competitive a League 1 as there has been for several years, we are sitting in about 16th and don't need to press the panic button. Drawing at Gateshead wasn't an astounding result but it was a lot better than the likes of Shrewsbury, Crewe, Yeovil etc etc fared yesterday. We are still in League 1 and we are still in the FA Cup.

I think we need to put all talk of changing the management out of our heads. It would be absolutely the wrong thing to do and could possibly set us back 2 years.

We were bound to hit a bad patch. We are in it right now and we need to concentrate on getting out of it which means supporting the management and changing the players if need be.

 

[Easter 1959]

Changing the Manager again is absolutely the last thing we should consider. We have been on this merrygoround too often in recent years and it is very difficult to find someone at the right price who can deliver what we want.

I think after last season we all thought that in Andy Scott (despite misgivings when he was appointed) that we had at last found someone that we could stick with for a while and who in turn would show some loyalty to the club.

We certainly haven't reached a situation where we need to doubt that decision. We haven't played well consistently this year there is no doubt about that. We have issues with several areas of the team and in some of these it is concerning that the team management don't seem to see the problems in the same way.

But , this is a competitive league - probably as competitive a League 1 as there has been for several years, we are sitting in about 16th and don't need to press the panic button. Drawing at Gateshead wasn't an astounding result but it was a lot better than the likes of Shrewsbury, Crewe, Yeovil etc etc fared yesterday. We are still in League 1 and we are still in the FA Cup.

Personally I think that is spot on and absolutely the right approach.

I think we need to put all talk of changing the management out of our heads. It would be absolutely the wrong thing to do and could possibly set us back 2 years.

We were bound to hit a bad patch. We are in it right now and we need to concentrate on getting out of it which means supporting the management and changing the players if need be.

Personally I think that this is spot on and absolutely the right approach.

 

[jlove]

Changing the Manager again is absolutely the last thing we should consider.

Absolutely agree! When we're on such a bad run, it is easy to pick on someone and make people feel better, but it's not the answer. I know no-one wants to hear the "consolidation" word but, surely, this is the season for just that; we've got a budget in the lower range of this division and we need to build. Stability is what is needed.

But... AS has really got to be seen to be doing something. Those players were mainly good players before this run and can't have all turned into rubbish overnight. There is a lack of confidence, a lack of leadership and a lack of team play. Players you would assume to be leaders are hiding - they know who they are and so do we. There has been a succession of hopes: when Charlie recovers... when Bean is back... when Strevens is fit; none has provided the 'spark' needed.

IMHO, we need a loan player who is young and enthusiastic and who will provide that missing boost to all the other players. It's a tough ask.

 

[Fishing Bee]

Beebopalula,
It is the "then" part that was my point and I guess my previous post was a tad flippant for which I apologise.
As said before majority opinon on GPG (for some weeks/matches now) is one of don't panic, and that both team and management will eventually come good. However as you state the run up, and Christmas programme will be very tough.
I do not want to see BFC sliding back into Div 4 ( seen enough of that since my first game back in '64) even though it would result in a return to the optimum Little Chef routes on away days.!.
IMO taking crucial decisions, however hard, in sufficient time to prevent the eventual need to go press that "panic" button could become critical. I have no desire to see AS outed and would love to see us push on up the league under his guidance whilst all learn from the experience BUT I am very alarmed by what seems to be a continual lack of confidence on and around the pitch.
There are, and of course will always be, other issues;
Is the current squad good enough or now getting found out?. Are we playing the right players, formation, and tactics or into opponents hands?.
Do we desperately need a new keeper, centre half, creative play maker, a proven goal scorer ( who can still score ) or for the time being should such things remain on a "wish list?".
My understanding is AS has stated he is content with what we have, or has he been told to be content and keep his wish list to himself?.
We are all entitled to have opinions on such issues - it's what keeps us going.!. The most important opinion/s of course are those of the board who have to consider making the crucial decisions, and they are watching the same performances as us fans. I have no doubt those concerned continually discuss our league position in regard to the teams around us, along with games to play, and expected points to be won.
Can't wait until Christmas morning to see what's under the tree - hope it's not too late!.

 

[beebopalula]

Beebopalula,
It is the "then" part that was my point and I guess my previous post was a tad flippant for which I apologise.
As said before majority opinon on GPG (for some weeks/matches now) is one of don't panic, and that both team and management will eventually come good. However as you state the run up, and Christmas programme will be very tough.
I do not want to see BFC sliding back into Div 4 ( seen enough of that since my first game back in '64) even though it would result in a return to the optimum Little Chef routes on away days.!.
IMO taking crucial decisions, however hard, in sufficient time to prevent the eventual need to go press that "panic" button could become critical. I have no desire to see AS outed and would love to see us push on up the league under his guidance whilst all learn from the experience BUT I am very alarmed by what seems to be a continual lack of confidence on and around the pitch.
There are, and of course will always be, other issues;
Is the current squad good enough or now getting found out?. Are we playing the right players, formation, and tactics or into opponents hands?.
Do we desperately need a new keeper, centre half, creative play maker, a proven goal scorer ( who can still score ) or for the time being should such things remain on a "wish list?".
My understanding is AS has stated he is content with what we have, or has he been told to be content and keep his wish list to himself?.
We are all entitled to have opinions on such issues - it's what keeps us going.!. The most important opinion/s of course are those of the board who have to consider making the crucial decisions, and they are watching the same performances as us fans. I have no doubt those concerned continually discuss our league position in regard to the teams around us, along with games to play, and expected points to be won.
Can't wait until Christmas morning to see what's under the tree - hope it's not too late!.

To be honest , on current form I can't see us getting more than 5 points up to and including Charlton. AS thinks the squad is good enough. It clearly isn't based on performance to date. I hope I'm wrong. Sorry but football is all about results. A thumping is on the cards vs Millwall. What then? If that happens, I think we need to evaluate the position after next week. I don't think another repeat of the same excuses is acceptable.

 

[Fishing Bee]

In short Beebop - I must agree.

 

[The Pipe]

I think the otimum comment on here is that AS needs to be seen to be doing something, it is all about perceptions. He did very well last season and I certainly do not wish to get back on the changing Managers merry go round however the thing that I beleive conscerns most supporters is that he seems at present to be very pig headed ( that equals determined when things are going well!!) and whilst at the end of the day we may end up with enough points to avoid relegation most supporters would like to see some change be it personnel or tactics.

There is an old trueism in that if you continue to do the same then nothing will change and that seems to be where the team and management are stuck at the present. If it was clear that AS is trying to do something to stop the rot then I guess supporters would cut him considerably more slack. Unfortunately each week it is same team ( more or less) and most deffinately same tactics of kicking the ball long and hope that a forward can do something with it.

I have advocated long and hard to change our style of football and start our attacks by throwing the ball and building from defence/midfield I have also suggested playing Saunders in the middle as he has 2 good feet and might be the player to inject that killing pass. I appreciate that both these suggestions may fail however if we could see that AS was at leat trying something then we can have greater confidence in the future.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Sorry but football is all about results. A thumping is on the cards vs Millwall. What then? If that happens, I think we need to evaluate the position after next week. I don't think another repeat of the same excuses is acceptable.

No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

To a certain extent but it's more about performances and getting something out of it, we aren't getting anything.

 

[rebus]

No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

Amen to that.

 

[Kingston Bee]

No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

Yep.....through thick and thin.....

 

[mhead bee]

To me, the quality of the squad is so far ahead of the one that went down in 2007 and the potential to challenge for a play off place is there with a bit of confidence and a couple of faces on loan. There's no comparison as that side was down by Christmas and this one is on a very ropey run but 3 straight wins would put us back near the top 6.

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Totally agree. Something is going wrong and I do not know what, but I agree that we have what looks like a solid squad and infinitely better than the Rosenior nonsence.

Something needs to change to stop the rot but we are only a few tweaks away from a team that could challenge.

I remember a few years ago after we won the 4th division under noades we started the next season well and then faded. We had the same old crap come out then re lack of desire, players ect. We then got a couple of loanees in and should have gone up several times in the next few years.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Totally agree. Something is going wrong and I do not know what, but I agree that we have what looks like a solid squad and infinitely better than the Rosenior nonsence.

Although I agree I would add that sadly the LR debacle of a side looked more like a team than this lot currently do. They may have lacked any quaility but they weren't individuals doing their own thing and not doing it very well.

 

[Ghost]

No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

I would hope every one is supporting the club or why we would write on here, but we're not blind either.
I don't know how long some people want to hide behind this "give it time" argument. Of course nobody has ever been relegated in November, I think most of us are smart enough to work that out. However, I have asked this before and will ask again when is the time that we will miraculously start to perform to ensure that we won't be dragged into the mire? Open your eyes people we are at risk of being dragged into it in early November. Confidence on the floor, rumblings of discontent in the dressing room, dire report after dire report, shipping 2 or 3 goals consistently and now can't shut out a non league team.

Ever played in a Sunday League team that gets thumped every week? I know I have. There is no magic point where you just decide "oh let's not lose every week, I've had enough of that" Other teams easily prey on teams in a losing mentality, even pub teams.

 

[LancasterBee]

Although I agree I would add that sadly the LR debacle of a side looked more like a team than this lot currently do. They may have lacked any quaility but they weren't individuals doing their own thing and not doing it very well.

Sorry NB- have to disgree with that- no way (in my opinion) have we reached the depths of Oldham away under LR- perhaps my all time low point

I think it is all about Progress and Patience- whilst the club/ team is making progress then fans must be patient; the problem being that if you focus on the last 5-10 games then we may not appear to be progressing- step back and look at the wider picture, where we as a club were (in the widest sense)18 months ago, the 'recent' BU/MB deal, then I would say the club is continuing to progress and we should all be more patient- just my opinion

If I had two questions for AS right now they would be what would he consider to be his 1) best and 2) the worst decision during his time as manager- just to show the fans that he is continuing to learn from his decisions- good and bad

Up the Bees!

 

[Les Beeavinu]

Although I agree I would add that sadly the LR debacle of a side looked more like a team than this lot currently do. They may have lacked any quaility but they weren't individuals doing their own thing and not doing it very well.

There is no way I can agree with that.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

There is no way I can agree with that.

Nor do I but something is needed to brighten up the day.

 

[mhead bee]

No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.

Imagine supporting Hull. a few great years getting to the premiership but where is the fun now? Every week a potential hammering and a relegatin battle.

Look at reading, they thought they had arrived in the prem to stay. I know loads of RFC fans due to mt location and I also know a load that have ditched their ST this year. The reason being that if RFC are not going to invest then why the hell should I........ oh they have changed since they used to go to elm park, stand in the rain and watch fourth division football and support their team through thick and thin.

They believe they are a premiership club now and anything less is not fit for them to watch.