The Andy Scott Thread

The Andy Scott Thread

West Wilts Bee said:
I can quie easily, Yes he got us promotion. That was last season, this is now.
Imo this seasons signings have been poor. The quality of football we are(are not Playing) is frankly rubbish. Anyone that thinks otherwise does not know much about football. I also think that Scott was hailed the new messiah a bit too soon. It's not just Scott who should take the blame, it's the players on the pitch, wgo again IMO have under performed. However it is time for management and players to come together, as I sense this has not been the case. b***ocking our players in public is a no no, and does not say much for his man management skills.
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wot he said :sorted:
 

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SmiffyBee said:
No one ever got relegated in November.
Football is not "all about results" its about supporting your club. If you want results - follow Chelsea.
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I hope Mr Benham shares your view,the fact is its all about results and most of our fans wont come on here and moan or goto chelsea they stay away
 

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AS is here to stay so get over it
 

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I hope he is given to at least Millwall at home.:nono:

However publicly singling out players for criticism is poor man management.

It is all about results, if we go down he will be sacked.

I think AS will be a success for BFC, but I think Jan transfer window is crucial not only getting players in, but getting players out to reduce the wage bill.
 

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Ace Face said:
I hope he is given to at least Millwall at home.:nono:

However publicly singling out players for criticism is poor man management.

It is all about results, if we go down he will be sacked.

I think AS will be a success for BFC, but I think Jan transfer window is crucial not only getting players in, but getting players out to reduce the wage bill.
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How can we get players out who are crap? We have no chance of offloading most of our lot, unless they are loaned out and the receiving club pays all their wages:idea:
 

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Ace Face said:
However publicly singling out players for criticism is poor man management.
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AND SINGLING OUT INDIVIDUAL BRENTFORD FANS FOR CRITICISM IS POOR MAN-MENT!!!!!!!!!

:cutthecrap::cutthecrap::cutthecrap::cutthecrap: :cutthecrap::cutthecrap::cutthecrap:
 

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DavidgRushden said:
Like that idea. Haven't we got a couple of goalkeepers to get rid of? We could even do them a favour and do a Tesco style offer - buy one get one free:D
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Is that a Price cut.
Or a load of Bull...:wave:
 

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Ace Face said:
I hope he is given to at least Millwall at home.:nono:

However publicly singling out players for criticism is poor man management.

It is all about results, if we go down he will be sacked.

I think AS will be a success for BFC, but I think Jan transfer window is crucial not only getting players in, but getting players out to reduce the wage bill.
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I hope he can get a win saturday and spark off a winning run and inspire some the players who i believe are just lacking in confidence including Saunders Wood Charlie and Foster who I still think are good enough for this league.If we get to January and are struggling in the bottom 4 I'm not sure what money would be available for new signings.M Benhams 1mill per season is to be used to pay our budgeted losses of 600k ish that leaves 400k for players.If we are behind our budgeted attendances ,not sure what figure that is ,then we will be eating into the money avsilable for players.Yes January could be a crucial with big decisions to make on and off the field.
 

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Players dont become bad overnight nor do they become world beaters, we have a team of players who on previous performance for other clubs have proved that they are good players. This therefore leads to the question what has happened this season that has made their performances plummet.

I would suggest that at present there is a flaw in the Managers ability to develop/motivate the players, whether this purely relates to man management or whether it is intrinsicly linked to the style of play that the Management prefer is unclear. There is of course time to put things right but please lets move away from the mantra that As did well last year and therefore all his decisions myust be good. Quite simply this season for whatever reason it is not the case.

We have a very difficult period of fixtures in front of us and at the end of them if there is no change then I can see us firmly rooted to the bottom of the table and, as we know from experience, once there it is not very often that a team can get out.

As needs to look at team bonding and motivation this week, I recall Woodward when England Rugby Manager got his team to watch edited videos which showed all the things they had done well in previous games, this was linked to a resounding sound track and played all the way down the M4 to Cardiff. result was an unexpected England win. I suggest that As needs to consider something similar this week and show the players they can perform and start to instill that beleif in them. It may not change the result but might ensure players show greater beleif and passion which is something that can be built upon.
 

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The Pipe said:
Players dont become bad overnight nor do they become world beaters, we have a team of players who on previous performance for other clubs have proved that they are good players. This therefore leads to the question what has happened this season that has made their performances plummet.

I would suggest that at present there is a flaw in the Managers ability to develop/motivate the players, whether this purely relates to man management or whether it is intrinsicly linked to the style of play that the Management prefer is unclear. There is of course time to put things right but please lets move away from the mantra that As did well last year and therefore all his decisions myust be good. Quite simply this season for whatever reason it is not the case.

We have a very difficult period of fixtures in front of us and at the end of them if there is no change then I can see us firmly rooted to the bottom of the table and, as we know from experience, once there it is not very often that a team can get out.

As needs to look at team bonding and motivation this week, I recall Woodward when England Rugby Manager got his team to watch edited videos which showed all the things they had done well in previous games, this was linked to a resounding sound track and played all the way down the M4 to Cardiff. result was an unexpected England win. I suggest that As needs to consider something similar this week and show the players they can perform and start to instill that beleif in them. It may not change the result but might ensure players show greater beleif and passion which is something that can be built upon.
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i can lend him my "we are the champions" cd to use for the soundtrack but am not prepared to investigate royalties/copyright etc on his behalf.
 

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1markbee said:
He either brings in a couple on loan or he may aswell start looking for a new job. Last season when we needed to bring a loanee in he was very quick off the mark....... whats difference now? We are in a very worrying position. The panic button is very close to be pressed!!!!!
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Difference is that this is his team to a man. Noone would be there unless he had recruited them or kept them on. That makes it psychologically much more difficult for an inexperienced manager to bring in loan players. It takes a lot of confidence to make a move that looks like an admission of weakness but is actually a way of addressing an issue. The problem is that while the decision is not made things get worse, making the decision even harder to take. Best thing AS could do is come out and say. "Look, this is my first job, I'm making mistakes, feeling my way. So, i've learnt some lessons and decided to bring in some loan players/go into the transfer market in january/ask Leroy and TB to mentor me (joke)." Clean sheet as far as many critics are concerned, I suspect, and maybe we'd start picking up points.
 

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hitchinb said:
Difference is that this is his team to a man. Noone would be there unless he had recruited them or kept them on. That makes it psychologically much more difficult for an inexperienced manager to bring in loan players. It takes a lot of confidence to make a move that looks like an admission of weakness but is actually a way of addressing an issue. The problem is that while the decision is not made things get worse, making the decision even harder to take. Best thing AS could do is come out and say. "Look, this is my first job, I'm making mistakes, feeling my way. So, i've learnt some lessons and decided to bring in some loan players/go into the transfer market in january/ask Leroy and TB to mentor me (joke)." Clean sheet as far as many critics are concerned, I suspect, and maybe we'd start picking up points.
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Agree with you but can't see him taking this good advice:sorted:
 

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with Darren Ferguson's apparent sacking at Posh, this is something I eluded to in another thread, about sometimes becoming a victim of your own success. Fergie deserves a knighthood for getting Posh to the Championship, all he gets is the tin tack. We are similar with AS, everyone wants stability, and everyone wants AS to succeed, a young hungry manager is exactly what every team wants. But if we continue as we are, he could well be gone in 2-3weeks time.
 

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maddogging said:
with Darren Ferguson's apparent sacking at Posh, this is something I eluded to in another thread, about sometimes becoming a victim of your own success. Fergie deserves a knighthood for getting Posh to the Championship, all he gets is the tin tack. We are similar with AS, everyone wants stability, and everyone wants AS to succeed, a young hungry manager is exactly what every team wants. But if we continue as we are, he could well be gone in 2-3weeks time.
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Posh sacked him because they have an ambitious and wealthy chairman. It is very harsh, after two automatic promotions in succession, but it's possible the chairman may have thought the reason for their success had more to do with Barry Fry's talent spotting abilities than Darren Ferguson's day to day management.
 

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scruff puppy pup said:
Barry Fry's talent spotting abilities than Darren Ferguson's day to day management.
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Fry never took Brum higher than Division 1, in his 2nd season they went down the season after us.. fry is sh*te
 

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A win against Millwall and a replay win against Gateshead and AS will be a saint again.

Lets face it if it wasn't for two very unlucky goals he might have had two more wins, be higher up the league and planning for Walsall already.

Having said that what price Fergie Junior for our next manager?
 

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Personally, I dont think we beat Millwall unles they have bad off day but we could lose 4 or 5 or 6, 7 -0 unless we up our game.

I dont think AS will be sacked before xmas, but personally I dont think he can take us any further. He is already using the excuse that we are all ready punching above our weight in this league, we have lost to Yeovil, Exeter, Orient and drew in the Fa Cup against Gateshead.

If he used this debate against Leeds, Charlton, Saints, Norwich or Milllwall, I would have more respect for him, as these are clearly bigger clubs than us. For the record, AS is talking rubbish (unless mis-qouted in R&T Times) , I am not a member of Bees Utd or have stood for director.
 

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We're not playing well and results have been poor. But some of the views in this thread are absolute madness.
 

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There is no doubt we have to up our game to beat Wall, but we can beat them on our day.

However, I would be grateful if you could give examples in your prevouis post (ambrose 18889), AS let too many players go at the same time, ie, Newton and Powell go at the same time, replacements performance please........

I stated this at the time, but was told I was talking rubbish on the GPG, What now worries me, is AS excuses in the local press...
 

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Ambrose_1889 said:
We're not playing well and results have been poor. But some of the views in this thread are absolute madness.
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......................but we're stuck with the BFC board for the foreseeable...............:rolleyes:
 
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marvelous007 said:
If he used this debate against Leeds, Charlton, Saints, Norwich or Milllwall...
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To be fair to Andy, we havent played Leeds or Millwall yet.
Who would you have as a marvelous replacement should Andy be fired ?
 

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RoyalOakBee said:
Trust me, Saturday will feel like we are the AWAY team.

I simply can not understand how this is not all ticket !!!
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Because they haven't sold out on the last few times they have been here i suppose.
 

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marvelous007 said:
Personally, I dont think we beat Millwall unles they have bad off day but we could lose 4 or 5 or 6, 7 -0 unless we up our game.
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Yes that is likely especially given that they have won one away game all season. :rolleyes:
 

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nick logan said:
Yes that is likely especially given that they have won one away game all season. :rolleyes:
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Look at their current form,5-0 home against Tranny, a credible draw at Swindon.4-0 away at Stockport and then home wins against good teams


Sat 3 15:00 H Tranmere FL1 W 5-0 8,046 League Table Match Report
Sat 10 15:00 A Swindon Town FL1 D 1-1 7,222 League Table Match Report
Sat 17 15:00 A Stockport FL1 W 4-0 4,394 League Table Match Report
Sat 24 15:00 H Leeds United FL1 W 2-1 14,165 League Table Match Report
Sat 31 15:00 H Colchester FL1 W 2-1 10,036 League Table Match Report
 

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Bigbee said:
Look at their current form,5-0 home against Tranny, a credible draw at Swindon.4-0 away at Stockport and then home wins against good teams


Sat 3 15:00 H Tranmere FL1 W 5-0 8,046 League Table Match Report
Sat 10 15:00 A Swindon Town FL1 D 1-1 7,222 League Table Match Report
Sat 17 15:00 A Stockport FL1 W 4-0 4,394 League Table Match Report
Sat 24 15:00 H Leeds United FL1 W 2-1 14,165 League Table Match Report
Sat 31 15:00 H Colchester FL1 W 2-1 10,036 League Table Match Report
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:imwith:

We need another Stockport game at the moment. I will be amazed if we get anything out of the Millwall game
 

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we can beat anyone on our day. its only millwall not man united. and we are super brentford fc. london derby too so will probably be 1-0 to someone and 2 sending offs. stop your negative mentality everyone. what would maddog say. we can win this!!
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When we talk about letting Andy go its almost as though its so simple as bringing someone in and things get better, almost immediately. I think it would be wrong to even think along those lines at present as it would represent several steps back without any guarantee of eventually being in a better place. Yes it has been frustrating but right now I believe we need to support Andy and the team if we have any chance of improving. This is new ground for Scotty and he has made mistakes, but we need to stick by him IMO. And as someone said earlier who could we realistically replace him with, someone who has failed at another club?
 

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SmiffyBee said:
To be fair to Andy, we havent played Leeds or Millwall yet.
Who would you have as a marvelous replacement should Andy be fired ?
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sussexb said:
That's all right then. :rolleyes:
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Mr Marvellous was base-ing his claim that "Andy can't take us any further" on our chances against Leeds, Charlton, Saints, Norwich and Milllwall.
We have beaten Norwich, played well v Saints, and Charlton (in the 2nd half) and not played the other two.

I am still waiting for anyone who thinks Andy should go, or that Andy will be sacked anytime soon, to come up with an alternative manager....:sorted:
 

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AS is safe until late March next year. IF (& that's a big IF) we are in the bottom four/five after we play Stockport & Orient (two teams I think will be down there) then the board will need to act & give someone new eight/nine games to survive.
 

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Ahhhhhh I can't stand this thread!!!

I don't understand why some people expect miracles. We're still not a very good team. Our league position is about right for the quality of our squad. We'll get better but not by sacking the manager.
 

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jharvey85 said:
Our league position is about right for the quality of our squad.
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Not sure I agree. We are where we deserve to be based on performances certainly and a somewhat fortunate victory vs Southend actually sees us higher than maybe we should be in fact. However, key players have grossly underperformed this season, oddly enough those with higher level experience. Most notably Phillips, Bennett and Price. I think we should be a comfortably mid table squad, if what we have was gelling and full of confidence. That's about our ceiling without an out and out goalscorer and a more dynamic attacking midfielder.
 

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Bigbee said:
Look at their current form,5-0 home against Tranny, a credible draw at Swindon.4-0 away at Stockport and then home wins against good teams


Sat 3 15:00 H Tranmere FL1 W 5-0 8,046 League Table Match Report
Sat 10 15:00 A Swindon Town FL1 D 1-1 7,222 League Table Match Report
Sat 17 15:00 A Stockport FL1 W 4-0 4,394 League Table Match Report
Sat 24 15:00 H Leeds United FL1 W 2-1 14,165 League Table Match Report
Sat 31 15:00 H Colchester FL1 W 2-1 10,036 League Table Match Report
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That doesn't mean we are going to lose 4-0 5-0 or 6-0 though does it. Oreint beat them and they are sh*t
 

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malvernbee said:
AS is safe until late March next year. IF (& that's a big IF) we are in the bottom four/five after we play Stockport & Orient (two teams I think will be down there) then the board will need to act & give someone new eight/nine games to survive.
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Cue Maddog lollollol
 

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If we carry on at the same performances and rate of collecting points throughout the rest of the season we will have acumilated 52 points, bearing in mind that when we played norwich and southampton they were not stringing results together like they are now and the likly hood is that on the return games they will both be above us, if we were to assume that they bth would beat us that would leave us with a tally of 47 points and northampton were relegated with 49, who says dont worry?
 

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all ifs buts and maybes.......imagine the two weeks from footballing hell

Millwall (H) L
Walsall (H) L
Gateshead (H) L
Wycombe (a) L

:eek::eek::eek:

Of course I am not saying this will happen, but if it did, Scotty would be in real danger.
 
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