The John Mackie thread

[Jimbo]

As for two slow centre backs/dodgy left backs; do you not have anyone coming through your youth? Mackie has a history of being very good next to a young defender - Gaby Zakuani and Brian Saah being the two examples at Orient.

Maybe he could be useful to help the development of Osbourne or Charles then?

 

[cornish bee]

We have to have faith in TB and I am sure that John Mackie will prove to be an excellent signing. Tough and very eager. Ok maybe he will receive a red card or 2.............Remember Terry Hurlock.......or are you all too young?

Welcome John and the best of luck.

Hopefully todays signing is a goalie......anyone is better than Nelson and his antics.

 

[ladbroke]

Brentford announce he will be our captain from next season.

 

[Mr Cynical]

As for two slow centre backs/dodgy left backs; do you not have anyone coming through your youth? Mackie has a history of being very good next to a young defender - Gaby Zakuani and Brian Saah being the two examples at Orient.

That was the plan last season with Heywood.. unfortunately he spent so much time having to physically drag our young CBs into the right positions at corners he often forgot to mark his man.....

 

[mhead bee]

Well the board of that club should be sounding him out prior to the approach. League two defenders are ten a penny so we should not keep getting mugged over.

I agree with you Mark. If he is no longer considered good enough for league 2 and league one is "his level", we need to ask whether or not we are aiming for promotion this season. Will he be surplus to requirements next year if we do manage to go up? Two year contracts are unecessary nowadays, you should be able to build a team from scratch every year with the players available. OK, you may lose the odd kuffour but you do not get saddled with the brookers, tillens and that bloody useless bloke from peterborough!

 

[brighton bee]

OK, you may lose the odd kuffour but you do not get saddled with the brookers, tillens and that bloody useless bloke from peterborough!

not if you have a club option of an extra year you wont.

 

[jlove]

OK, I've been away for 10 days and a few things have happened.

My conclusion from this thread is that we have signed a slow central defender on a contract that is too long and who is likely to get sent off a lot.

Alternatively, we have signed an experienced local central defender who has played in a promotion side from League 2; is seen to be 'motivational captain material' and fills a position where we have had a gaping hole for the last 12 months. Given that a club at our level needs 3 centre-backs, that only leaves the 'young quick one' to find. Given TB's history, I think were going to see a back line that will die for the cause rather than the silky skills of La Liga. This might be a good signing!

 

[sonofabee]

OK, I've been away for 10 days and a few things have happened.

My conclusion from this thread is that we have signed a slow central defender on a contract that is too long and who is likely to get sent off a lot.

Alternatively, we have signed an experienced local central defender who has played in a promotion side from League 2; is seen to be 'motivational captain material' and fills a position where we have had a gaping hole for the last 12 months. Given that a club at our level needs 3 centre-backs, that only leaves the 'young quick one' to find. Given TB's history, I think were going to see a back line that will die for the cause rather than the silky skills of La Liga. This might be a good signing!

That's the way I see it.....We need someone who is a proven leader and knows what it takes to achieve success in the division we're in.

Wish all players were on 1 year deals with an option but suspect that we wouldn't getmany if any of the players that the management team want.

Re O'Connor and Frampton, maybe and it is only a maybe they can find the form of two seasons ago when playing alongside a central defender they rated and respected(choose one from Turner and Sodje). If they can and considering they're in contract I think we should be more than strong enough with a decent keeper to cope with most div 2 forward lines.

 

[Mr Cynical]

For what it's worth, feedback from a mate of a mate who's an Orient fan (no friend of mine would support the O's!!) is pretty positive.. An excellent captain very much in the Butcher/Big Tel mould, always talking to players and a good organiser.. Was the best defender in League 2 in their promotion season but v susceptible to pacy strikers who can play a bit on the deck, wont be beaten much in the air though..

Sounds like just what we need to be honest, there's been no organisation in our defence at all in the last year or anyone capable of captaining the team and Mackie ticks both those boxes. My only worry would be if he were partnered with Heywood, we'd have the slowest CB pairing since, well, Heywood and Frampton, and you know where that got us!!

 

[SQUELCH]

whens he back?

 

[beesbarmyarmy89]

:shrug: I think we need him back though, since he has been away we have conceded goals (8 in the last 3 games)
Not good

 

[Canadian Bee]

I think he's done well so far, he's the no nonsence defender we needed.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

I think he's done well so far, he's the no nonsence defender we needed.

He hasn't done as well as Heywood IMHO.

The "no nonsence defender" we already had :shrug:

I wonder what Mackie's wages would get us in the striking department

 

[beeeehive]

He hasn't done as well as Heywood IMHO.

The "no nonsence defender" we already had :shrug:

I wonder what Mackie's wages would get us in the striking department

Heywood was always going to be decent at this level I reakon, if he plays every game he may well become a bit of a favourite

To be fair, last season he got really fooked over by injuries.

 

[VTG]

I'm very pleasantly surprised by Heywood's performances recently so hope he's a first pick. If it ain't broke etc.

 

[West Ealing Bee]

I'm very pleasantly surprised by Heywood's performances recently so hope he's a first pick. If it ain't broke etc.

The only thing I would say is that as we haven't kept a clean sheet all season perhaps it is broke :shrug:

 

[Gee Bee]

The only thing I would say is that as we haven't kept a clean sheet all season perhaps it is broke :shrug:

Defending starts from the front and we have given too much space all round the pitch to allow extra pressure eventually on defenders.
We have at times looked ok passing without any final deleivery and when the ball is lost, we struggle to get it back. We still lack strength all around the pitch and are easily knocked off the ball when trying to retrieve possession.

 

[VTG]

Defending starts from the front and we have given too much space all round the pitch to allow extra pressure eventually on defenders.
We have at times looked ok passing without any final deleivery and when the ball is lost, we struggle to get it back. We still lack strength all around the pitch and are easily knocked off the ball when trying to retrieve possession.

Yes. The problem with playing defenders in midfield is that the second the opposition get the ball, our entire midfield retreats and are slow to get back out again. There's also the problem of the way they play being in a defensive mindset so they don't get the ball forward on the ground, it's just hoofed up there with little thought. The only defensive player I've seen constantly putting thought into his long balls is Karleigh Osborne and he's sprayed a few nice ones 50 yards already this season. We need midfielders in the midfield, especially at least two attack-minded ones. No reason why we don't do that as we have plenty of them.

 

[taxi driver]

He hasn't done as well as Heywood IMHO.

The "no nonsence defender" we already had :shrug:

I wonder what Mackie's wages would get us in the striking department

Not quite as good as you could get with Heywood's wages.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Yes. The problem with playing defenders in midfield is that the second the opposition get the ball, our entire midfield retreats and are slow to get back out again.

I've been saying this. When KOC and AP come up against midfielders like Andrews and co we are in the sh*t. I rate Pettigrew and understand him being used as a holding midfielder SOMETIMES but against Wycombe he kept getting the ball in acres of freedom and not really knowing what to do with it, not his fault but a Connell or Smith may have taken advantage of all that room.

 

[8 Bee]

The only defensive player I've seen constantly putting thought into his long balls is Karleigh Osborne and he's sprayed a few nice ones 50 yards already this season. .

You must be joking.

Osborne has certainly sprayed a few long and short distance punts and shanked clearances but I haven't seen much evidence of good distribution. His only value to the team, especially when alongside Heywood, is his pace - but this IMHO is more than cancelled out by his 'rabbit in the headlights' defending.

Do we have a 'rabbit in the headlights' smilie?

 

[sussexb]

I've been saying this. When KOC and AP come up against midfielders like Andrews and co we are in the sh*t. I rate Pettigrew and understand him being used as a holding midfielder SOMETIMES but against Wycombe he kept getting the ball in acres of freedom and not really knowing what to do with it, not his fault but a Connell or Smith may have taken advantage of all that room.

I agree with you overall - but for me the problem is a bit more than that. We play too many similar midfielders - KOC, AP, JM are all defensive. If we played 1 of them and AN Other the balance would be much better. I guess I'm saying, a connell or a smith alongside AP would be better, but i'm not bothered about him being played in the holding role.

The problem that playing these similar types together is that the gap between the midfield and the attack (whatever there is of it) is just huge, and the player on the ball (AP or not) is left with little option. At times against MK it looked like we were playing a back 8, it was ridiculous...

 

[VTG]

Do we have a 'rabbit in the headlights' smilie?

How's this?

 

[Downbeat Bee]

Not impressed by him so far

 

[davewfilms]

Rubbish player and captain,Heywood is a lot better,cant we get rid of mackie asap and spend his wages on a decent striker .

 

[GP200]

............appears to be a bit of a liability at the moment.............have been more impressed by Heywood so far........

 

[Gee Bee]

............appears to be a bit of a liability at the moment.............have been more impressed by Heywood so far........

Although have we not conceded more goals per game when Heywood has played?

I actually think the biggtst defensive problem is in front of the back 4 and also at RB, I really don't rate Starosta at all, not particularly good defensively and when going forward he delays the early ball to often and his crossing is poor.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

I would like to thank JM for really making me appreciate Heywood.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

and for having a pop at SmiffyBee at Hereford.

 

[VTG]

Come in number 5, your time is up.

 

[GP200]

..................Mackie,Matty, all sounds the same to me.......................

 

[Sandhurstbee]

Mackies going from Bad to Worse Is he any better than Osborne?? Certainly not on current performances.

 

[Brentford_till_die]

Complete ****.

Expereincwed league player, your havin a bubble.

Complete liability,

Cant have donkeys in our team and he is supposed to be leading by example?

Id rather Osborne in the team, and if Osborne did make mistakes you can understand, in expereicned adn young. Where as Mackie. **** off you Reading re ject.

Why did Orient let him go, if he was the promotion captain. JOKE

Reading scum out of our club !

 

[VTG]

Osborne needs to be in the team as the quick and lively foil to Heywood's solid defending. Slightly inexperienced he may be, but he's no John Mackie.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Reading scum out of our club !

I agree but I'd like Hamer and Cox to come back and defo any of the 4 at Muff.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Is it considered un-PC, if we call him John Spackie ?

 

[cheekybee74]

Perhaps he is not 100% fit, he has had some niggling injuries this season hence his poor mobility etc..

An Orient fan told me he thought Mackie was begingin to struggle last season for them..

Agree Osbourne would be my preference - he could get better, I don't think Mackie will..

 

[Gee Bee]

Perhaps he is not 100% fit, he has had some niggling injuries this season hence his poor mobility etc..

An Orient fan told me he thought Mackie was begingin to struggle last season for them..

Agree Osbourne would be my preference - he could get better, I don't think Mackie will..

I've been convinced for awhile that he is playing with an injury. which bearing in mind he ain't the quickest when fit, is sheer stupidity.

I also heard that Butcher & Osborne have had a fall out and is the reason for his recent non appearaces, even on the bench.

 

[Greg]

Mackie Out!! We go to Luton, play well, especially defensively and were unlucky not to win. Next thing you know Mackie comes in for Petergrew and it goes tits up! Gives away a needless pen, gets a silly booking for mouthing off and we go on to lose 2-0 to Darlington!! He's a complete waste of space, give Heywood the captaincy and replace Mackie asap! Simple as that!

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Mackie Out!! We go to Luton, play well, especially defensively and were unlucky not to win. Next thing you know Mackie comes in for Petergrew and it goes tits up! Gives away a needless pen, gets a silly booking for mouthing off and we go on to lose 2-0 to Darlington!! He's a complete waste of space, give Heywood the captaincy and replace Mackie asap! Simple as that!

What a load of crap.:mad1:

Actually it is all spot on and just plain basic common sense.

 

[VTG]

I also heard that Butcher & Osborne have had a fall out and is the reason for his recent non appearaces, even on the bench.

Butcher and Brooker.
Butcher and Tillen.
Butcher and Smith.
Butcher and Osborne.
Butcher and the crowd.

Anyone notice the common thread?
It isn't 'and'

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Brooker stuck his fingers up at us as Tillen giggled like a girl next to him so unfair to include those two. I'm the last one to stick up for TB but Brooker would have fallen out with anyone with the way his Bees days were panning out, I wish I'd decked him outside Corals.

 

[SmiffyBee]

Butcher and Brooker.
Butcher and Tillen.
Butcher and Smith.
Butcher and Osborne.
Butcher and the crowd.

Anyone notice the common thread?
It isn't 'and'

except for Butcher v Brooker.....

Where did you see evidence of the others ?

 

[VTG]

He's not interested in Tillen and made that public since day one.
Gary Smith was brought in and has been barely used and we'd apparently rather play players out of position than use him.
Butcher and Osborne I'm taking Gee Bee's bait
Butcher and the crowd, well, have you been to a home match lately?

I wish he'd fall out with Mackie

 

[SmiffyBee]

He's not interested in Tillen and made that public since day one.
Gary Smith was brought in and has been barely used and we'd apparently rather play players out of position than use him.
Butcher and Osborne I'm taking Gee Bee's bait
Butcher and the crowd, well, have you been to a home match lately?

I wish he'd fall out with Mackie

I expected a better comeback than that t.b.h.

I havent seen Butcher slate the crowd........just get boo-ed by them.
Where is the evidence, save for 1 GPG source, that he has fallen out with Osborne or Smith, or Tillen ?

 

[sgaz]

Is it considered un-PC, if we call him John Spackie ?

rofl

 

[beeeehive]

I havent seen Butcher slate the crowd........just get boo-ed by them.

Come and sit close enough to the dug out to see him properly, he does it almost every home game. Always has something to say to anyone who shouts comments towards him.

 

[beeeehive]

According to my Orient mate Mackie gets worse as the season goes along

 

[NorthamptonBee]

Come and sit close enough to the dug out to see him properly, he does it almost every home game. Always has something to say to anyone who shouts comments towards him.

But so would I. I think TB is pretty useless at the moment but if I shouted at him I would expect a comment or two back.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

According to my Orient mate Mackie gets worse as the season goes along

impossible