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The long throw tactic

Presumably it is permitted to start a thread on this, can't see another one.

Anyway, would be interested to hear what others think as this tactic irritates the hell out of me.

Aside from the fact that the person delivering the throw (Clayton) should be one of those in the box on the end of it doing what he is paid to do, it isn't even a particularly good long throw and rarely gets past the near post.

Must have been over a dozen yesterday and the defence could have dealt with them with a cigar on.

Surely we can manufacture something a bit more creative from a throw in such an attacking position., so we at the very least get the occasional cross put in at speed behind the defence rather than this easy to deal with lobbed ball .

Waste of time as far as I am concerned and it worries me that the management can't see this.
 

The long throw tactic

its rubbish, never works, says to me we have no ideas what else we can do apart from fling it in and hope for the best
 

The long throw tactic

I've seen it work occasionally for other teams.

The problem is, as JT says, that you need someone with heading ability in the penalty box to be available to take advantage of it but in our case it's been the bloke who takes the throw who should be in the box.

Maybe we'll have some success with it if Farid's in the box?
 

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hanworthbee said:
its rubbish, never works, says to me we have no ideas what else we can do apart from fling it in and hope for the best
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Agree, says something about the coaching ?
 

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Perhaps if CD threw it high enough he could run on and head it in! cant do smilies
bloody daft tactic while we have no one to take advantage of it.
 

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I agree, does anyone who goes to the training ground see how much they practise it? With a team like Stoke its done with military precision, with us it looks like they turn up and give it a go on the day. It never even looks like they have set out a player to win the first phase from Donaldsons throw and so in turn the other players never seem to be anticipating the chance to follow it in.
 

The long throw tactic

It has worked for us, we scored a goal from a Hunt long throw on at least one occasion, maybe more. Might have been v Hull cant quite recall.

The only way for it to be a valid option is

a) have someone who can head it

and

b) put a few players on the edge/just outside the penalty box to pick up the clearances.

And how many throws that are taken short end up with the ball in the box at all? Not many I would guess

However, when the one taking the throw is the one that should be on the end of it then you have to question its validity
 

The long throw tactic

Didnt David Hunt get sold due to the fact "all he could do was throw it a long way" (imho he was a great player) maybe Uwe has realised its all CD is good at and could be heading the same way?? After all, we have far too many strikers now....
 

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It doesn't work and is a bit rubbish, it's a tad on the desperate side of things.
 

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GuyBee said:
It has worked for us, we scored a goal from a Hunt long throw on at least one occasion, maybe more. Might have been v Hull cant quite recall.

The only way for it to be a valid option is

a) have someone who can head it

and

b) put a few players on the edge/just outside the penalty box to pick up the clearances.

And how many throws that are taken short end up with the ball in the box at all? Not many I would guess

However, when the one taking the throw is the one that should be on the end of it then you have to question its validity
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I can only recall 1 goal from long throw in David Hunts reign and none since, surely that confirms its a waste of time, particularly when you take a striker out of the middle to take it.
 

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WARFIELD BEE said:
I can only recall 1 goal from long throw in David Hunts reign and none since, surely that confirms its a waste of time, particularly when you take a striker out of the middle to take it.
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:imwith:

its an absolute waste of time.
 

The long throw tactic

Only goal we got from it was in the first 50 seconds against Oldham on a Tuesday night towards the end of last season. Bean sprinted in unmarked and nodded/volleyed it in to everyone's amazement,

Yesterday it looked like the players were making this set piece up, for Clayton to throw it towards Sam and Forshaw who were static looking to flick on dwarfed by the centre halves in the middle looked odd and you could see Clayton was losing heart with each throw as they got shorter and shorter, one barely made the box.

Im All for a long throw in the last 10 mins when you are chasing the game and want to create mayhem in the penalty area, but if this is a planned set piece we are relying on to make a difference in a game, it needs a rethink of who does what, because yesterday it looked predictable and a bit weak.
 

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NorthamptonBee said:
It doesn't work and is a bit rubbish, it's a tad on the desperate side of things.
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Not to mention the fact that it seems to fly in the face of the footballing philosophy that Rosler has spent time trying to instill in the players. :confused:
 

The long throw tactic

The secret is you have to keep the opposition guessing. A short throw when they are expecting it to go long creates space and vice versa.
 

The long throw tactic

Recall reading that despite all the talk at Stoke in actuality they have only scored 3 goals from it. Agree that for them it does create a scene of chaos and perhaps from the clearance and subsequent play they may get some goals

For us it is a rubbish tactic unless we are desperate and chasing a game with the likes of Leon playing as centre forward. Would like to see it ditched asap
 

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the long throw most of the time gives the opposition a 50/50 chance of getting it... play it on the floor no more long balls however its delivered. you bees
 

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BRbee said:
I've seen it work occasionally for other teams.

The problem is, as JT says, that you need someone with heading ability in the penalty box to be available to take advantage of it but in our case it's been the bloke who takes the throw who should be in the box.

Maybe we'll have some success with it if Farid's in the box?
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But yesterday we did have someone with heading ability in the penalty box! Dean, Legge and Craig all trooped forward for all the long throws (Logan and Barron stayed back to cover breakaways). It didn't make a blind bit of difference, we didn't look like scoring from any of them.
 

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Keighley Bee said:
But yesterday we did have someone with heading ability in the penalty box! Dean, Legge and Craig all trooped forward for all the long throws (Logan and Barron stayed back to cover breakaways). It didn't make a blind bit of difference, we didn't look like scoring from any of them.
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Good points.
I also note (from the Sky website) that last season Stoke attempted 522 long throw-ins, 243 more than any other side and had the fewest shots (290) and shots on target (94) and scored the fewest goals in the Premier League.
 

The long throw tactic

I'm not a fan of it, but that said I don't think we should use it absolutely never. As with anything it depends on the situation, if you have a tall player in the box, and have identified that the opposition are weak from balls into the box then feel free. But it shouldn't be used every time, which we seemed to do from Wrexham onwards last season.

Hopefully it won't be a trend that will always continue. I'd prefer the short throw always, you can put in a more composed ball into the box often anyways.
 

The long throw tactic

we should mix it up, have someone 20 yards from goal, direct the long throw to them to volley at goal...
 

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hanworthbee said:
we should mix it up, have someone 20 yards from goal, direct the long throw to them to volley at goal...
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Most people have hit the nail on the head with the long throw as it is so simple to see that it doesnt work for us. This is mainly because of the point you make, we dont mix it up. Never do we set up to take a long throw and instead through it short or throw it to someone on the edge last minute etc, as you suggest. Its all very one paced, predictable, against Uwe's football philosophy and unimaginative. Apart from that i like it.
 

The long throw tactic

These throw ins has got to stop especially with no other strikers on the pitch. Straight from the off ar bury we used Clayton to launch one in the box and continued to do it every other time. Looks very desperate and sends out the wrong vibe to the other team. For all of his throws and Huntys we have only ever managed one goal. I don't mind if we're trying to get back in the game late on maybe but at least mix it up you don't have to launch them into the box every time.
 

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Mick.C said:
Only goal we got from it was in the first 50 seconds against Oldham on a Tuesday night towards the end of last season. Bean sprinted in unmarked and nodded/volleyed it in to everyone's amazement,

Yesterday it looked like the players were making this set piece up, for Clayton to throw it towards Sam and Forshaw who were static looking to flick on dwarfed by the centre halves in the middle looked odd and you could see Clayton was losing heart with each throw as they got shorter and shorter, one barely made the box.

Im All for a long throw in the last 10 mins when you are chasing the game and want to create mayhem in the penalty area, but if this is a planned set piece we are relying on to make a difference in a game, it needs a rethink of who does what, because yesterday it looked predictable and a bit weak.
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Spot on
 

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Keighley Bee said:
But yesterday we did have someone with heading ability in the penalty box! Dean, Legge and Craig all trooped forward for all the long throws (Logan and Barron stayed back to cover breakaways). It didn't make a blind bit of difference, we didn't look like scoring from any of them.
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or any corner from the last two games, very poor I must say.
 

The long throw tactic

Actually, that is more the point: from set pieces, whether long throws, corners or free kicks, we just don't seem to be able to beat an average L1 defence to the ball. Even Leon was struggling at Bury and he's usually on the end of quite a few. More practice needed, I think, with Legge, Dean and Craig, plus El Alagui, we should be able to get on the end of a few.
 

The long throw tactic

As an out & out attacking move, even Stoke don't score that many goals using it. What they do successfully do, is use the tactic as part of their arsenal to build pressure & force free kicks, corners and mistakes.
At the moment, we don't apply concerted pressure, and the long throw seems totally at odds with the patterns we're otherwise creating, and should be re-thought.
 

The long throw tactic

I don't mind it being used now and again as a variation, but 2-3 times a match at most, not every throw in the last 25 metres. No objection to a striker taking them, as my earliest long throw memory at GP is of Roger Cross, as long as someone else is there to head it on. I think the best I've seen from a Bee in recent years was from Sonko, but he rarely took them. But in terms of success, there was the Bean one someone mentioned, and Dickson got one from a Hunt throw (again with everyone missing it, not it being headed on), but I can't recall others in recent years
 

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Brain-dead Bee said:
I don't mind it being used now and again as a variation, but 2-3 times a match at most, not every throw in the last 25 metres. No objection to a striker taking them, as my earliest long throw memory at GP is of Roger Cross, as long as someone else is there to head it on. I think the best I've seen from a Bee in recent years was from Sonko, but he rarely took them. But in terms of success, there was the Bean one someone mentioned, and Dickson got one from a Hunt throw (again with everyone missing it, not it being headed on), but I can't recall others in recent years
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At home v Norwich.
 

The long throw tactic

Dont have a problem using it now and again but to be fair it has not been effective. Unlike Stoke we are not a big team and with one of our tallest players taking the throw makes our chances of getting anything from them rather slim. If we are chasing the game then its a good tactic but if we want to retain possession then maybe not.....
 

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Donaldson's throw is just long. It hasn't got the speed or trajectory of Delap's throw so can't cause the chaos that his does.
it's a waste of time. Bury didn't look at all bothered by it.
 

The long throw tactic

.... and don't forget we've added a metre to the pitch.
 

The long throw tactic

I wrote on this subject to Uwe last season.

Not because of my letter, but he did stop the 'tactic' as it was pointless. Certainly, with no-one in the centre to take advantage a long throw is a giveaway to the opposition.

Never looked dangerous on Saturday - or last season.

Forget it and try to score through skill.
 

The long throw tactic

The throw has to be flat and hard, unlike CD'S who's is just looped in the box in the hope we score from the rebound.
 

The long throw tactic

Didn't work when Dave Hunt was with us and never will!
 

The long throw tactic

Should be used very occasionally and should be a couple of varieties that the team is well drilled in, no space for any kind of hopefull balls in football anymore. Much better, get it on the ground and slam it accross the floor at pace, much more likely to do damage than most things in the air unless got somebody either huge/brilliant in the air or both
 

The long throw tactic

Never works, never will, a C/F should be just that, in the Centre, not throwing balls in from the touchline, Uwe tried it, it's not worked, should be scrapped from today, we must be the only team in the UK that users a C/F for throw ins, daft idea, far to modern for us !!
 

The long throw tactic

For me the key to set pieces, whether corners, free kicks or this type of throw in, is be very good at them, like Sam S is from direct free kicks, or make them varied to keep the oppo guessing and difficult to defend. CDs throws are poor so we should be mixing it up or at least do two or three and then change the tactic against the oppos expectations.
 

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Now we've signed a centre forward, maybe it will work...
 

The long throw tactic

Absolutely agree! it is a rubbish tactic - or at least we are rubbish at it! the main aerial threat and physical presence takes the throw, and we never look like causing any problems with it.

added to that that we always do the same thing in and around the box, makes us predictable (I'd be more interested to know why if we think it is a great tactic we don't do it just inside the half way line to get onto the edge of the penalty area - but we've never even tried that one!)

didn't work with Hunt who had an immense throw. stop it now!

and on a similar point - could we also look at how dangerous we aren't when defending corners, it is almost back to the bad old days of Martin Allen's corner tactics when we put everyone back, so that when we cleared the ball came straight back at us resulting in a goal or a missed shot pretty much every time.
 

The long throw tactic

.............yep..............stop it now.............
 

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think we should stop using them now
 

The long throw tactic

Bearing in mind how few crosses we manage from decent positions, I'm utterly amazed that we're still persisting with this tactic when we could actually take the chance to work the ball into a decent position and get proper ball into the box.
 

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Reckon he should lob it backwards over his head as this would be more effective and have an element of surprise
 

The long throw tactic

I only remember 3 or 4 last night; no better and no worse than our other ineffective tactics in that game
 
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