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upnorthbee said:
Top top top top man. I'm worried that when we beat Spurs next weekend Levy will be pushed into a no choice position (manager or me)... only one winner there.
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Thomas seems to be third favourite for every job that comes up. A heavy defeat for Spurs at the Gtech might elevate him so a dull 1.0 home win will do.
 

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W5BeesFan said:
Thomas seems to be third favourite for every job that comes up. A heavy defeat for Spurs at the Gtech might elevate him so a dull 1.0 home win will do.
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to move to a club that's a basket case, below us in the league with no prospect of a European place in the foreseeable and to top it all run by a git who makes Ron Noades look like an honest man ?
 

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W5BeesFan said:
Thomas seems to be third favourite for every job that comes up. A heavy defeat for Spurs at the Gtech might elevate him so a dull 1.0 home win will do.
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Even after next week's game Spurs will be only two games away from a first trophy in years and still with a chance of Champions League via the Europa League. I would be surprised if Levy would make an expensive change yet
 

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HerefordB said:
The pathetic football media is bursting a blood vessel trying to prise TF from us.
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They have two agendas as far as I can see

1) Getting managers sacked
2) Suggesting names where vacancies don't actually exist but see agenda 1
 

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Putting aside whether Rashford is performing or not, Ruben Amorim's public criticism of him seems pretty unedifying. And before that, Ten Hag's criticism and subsequent treatment of Sancho was also unpleasant. In both cases it appears that the managers have wanted to comment publicly on the players – finding someone they can use to stamp their authority.

It got me thinking... we've never really had a public spat like that under Thomas Frank.

I know we pride ourselves on our culture, no dickheads etc, but there must have been some delicate situations.

Closest I can think is the Sergi Canos situation, which never really caught alight. And Cavalho's dad, which has been tamped down by the club. There must have been many players over the years who have fallen out with or not been happy with Frank and the club over the years.

But we've never really ever gotten a sniff of any player disharmony. A testament to Thomas and his approach if ever there was one.
 

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It's no surprise a manager who's done well, is likable, and media friendly, ends up being touted as someone who could do a better job at big clubs (especially with failing managers).
Just have to accept that's always going to happen.
It's going to be painful if it happens but I still like to hope that TF has seen the grass isn't always greener (Potter) and would like to stay a bit longer to see the fruits of his labours really pan out, with the squad shaping up very nicely, and hopefully a season where we actually have most people fit to really show what we can do.
 

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detours said:
Putting aside whether Rashford is performing or not, Ruben Amorim's public criticism of him seems pretty unedifying. And before that, Ten Hag's criticism and subsequent treatment of Sancho was also unpleasant. In both cases it appears that the managers have wanted to comment publicly on the players – finding someone they can use to stamp their authority.

It got me thinking... we've never really had a public spat like that under Thomas Frank.

I know we pride ourselves on our culture, no dickheads etc, but there must have been some delicate situations.

Closest I can think is the Sergi Canos situation, which never really caught alight. And Cavalho's dad, which has been tamped down by the club. There must have been many players over the years who have fallen out with or not been happy with Frank and the club over the years.

But we've never really ever gotten a sniff of any player disharmony. A testament to Thomas and his approach if ever there was one.
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Have been talking about things like this more and more recently with friends who only take a passing interest in football in general, let alone Bees, but have commented on how impressively TF comes across.
We've come to the (not earth-shattering) conclusion that being a "good"/successful Manager requires the same skill-set in all walks of life/jobs. And doesn't involve things like giving those people you manage the "hairdryer treatment", or, as above, calling them out publicly. After all, how many of us would respect our managers if they did that to us, or one our colleagues?
As I said, not exactly revolutionary thinking, but reckon we'll start seeing more and more Managers in the mould of TF............
 

Thomas Frank

detours said:
Putting aside whether Rashford is performing or not, Ruben Amorim's public criticism of him seems pretty unedifying. And before that, Ten Hag's criticism and subsequent treatment of Sancho was also unpleasant. In both cases it appears that the managers have wanted to comment publicly on the players – finding someone they can use to stamp their authority.

It got me thinking... we've never really had a public spat like that under Thomas Frank.

I know we pride ourselves on our culture, no dickheads etc, but there must have been some delicate situations.

Closest I can think is the Sergi Canos situation, which never really caught alight. And Cavalho's dad, which has been tamped down by the club. There must have been many players over the years who have fallen out with or not been happy with Frank and the club over the years.

But we've never really ever gotten a sniff of any player disharmony. A testament to Thomas and his approach if ever there was one.
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Under TF I agree but do you remember that the period after the Warburton departure came out mid season was pretty toxic.
 

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detours said:
Putting aside whether Rashford is performing or not, Ruben Amorim's public criticism of him seems pretty unedifying. And before that, Ten Hag's criticism and subsequent treatment of Sancho was also unpleasant. In both cases it appears that the managers have wanted to comment publicly on the players – finding someone they can use to stamp their authority.

It got me thinking... we've never really had a public spat like that under Thomas Frank.

I know we pride ourselves on our culture, no dickheads etc, but there must have been some delicate situations.

Closest I can think is the Sergi Canos situation, which never really caught alight. And Cavalho's dad, which has been tamped down by the club. There must have been many players over the years who have fallen out with or not been happy with Frank and the club over the years.

But we've never really ever gotten a sniff of any player disharmony. A testament to Thomas and his approach if ever there was one.
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I think that we have a bigger broader base to deal with any issue.

Use Canos, for no real reason. He has a spat at TF. There is PG and PG, all the heads of coaching or even Director of Football, or as a last resort the main man himself if needed to help is nothing else does. I just don't see this depth of caring, responsible, humans at other clubs, at other clubs if you have an issue you are out on your own as everyone else is cosying up to the boss who decides if they keep their job. The exception seems to be United where the players feel they have a free run of and own the place.
 

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kaebess said:
I think that we have a bigger broader base to deal with any issue.

Use Canos, for no real reason. He has a spat at TF. There is PG and PG, all the heads of coaching or even Director of Football, or as a last resort the main man himself if needed to help is nothing else does. I just don't see this depth of caring, responsible, humans at other clubs, at other clubs if you have an issue you are out on your own as everyone else is cosying up to the boss who decides if they keep their job. The exception seems to be United where the players feel they have a free run of and own the place.
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I don’t think we’ve had anyone told to train with the juniors or anything such as that. I think Fosu probably came the closest but even then there was no hint outwardly of disharmony
 

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badgerbee said:
Have been talking about things like this more and more recently with friends who only take a passing interest in football in general, let alone Bees, but have commented on how impressively TF comes across.
We've come to the (not earth-shattering) conclusion that being a "good"/successful Manager requires the same skill-set in all walks of life/jobs. And doesn't involve things like giving those people you manage the "hairdryer treatment", or, as above, calling them out publicly. After all, how many of us would respect our managers if they did that to us, or one our colleagues?
As I said, not exactly revolutionary thinking, but reckon we'll start seeing more and more Managers in the mould of TF............
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Fully agree, not revolutionary in the the general sense, but maybe it is for football. Along the same lines of thinking that only good ex players could make good managers. As we all know this is changing but it takes time, just like you have to be English to manage the national team, the world has moved on. We just need clubs to be run like businesses now, where they don't run at a loss and players salary's and transfer fees are more realistic, although accept this won't happen overnight. Football becoming aligned with what has been happening elsewhere for years.
 

Thomas Frank

badgerbee said:
Have been talking about things like this more and more recently with friends who only take a passing interest in football in general, let alone Bees, but have commented on how impressively TF comes across.
We've come to the (not earth-shattering) conclusion that being a "good"/successful Manager requires the same skill-set in all walks of life/jobs. And doesn't involve things like giving those people you manage the "hairdryer treatment", or, as above, calling them out publicly. After all, how many of us would respect our managers if they did that to us, or one our colleagues?
As I said, not exactly revolutionary thinking, but reckon we'll start seeing more and more Managers in the mould of TF............
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Does the name Ferguson (Sir Alex) mean anything to you?
 

Thomas Frank

Brentford77 said:
I don’t think we’ve had anyone told to train with the juniors or anything such as that. I think Fosu probably came the closest but even then there was no hint outwardly of disharmony
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And I don’t think Fosu was ever sent out from the first team squad for training, he just didn’t do enough to progress from that to more than a couple of matchday squads for PL games. Toney said that after himself (in uncharacteristic modesty- but probably part of generally not being dickheads to one another in the squad), Fosu was the worst trainer in the club.
 

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larrysigny said:
Does the name Ferguson (Sir Alex) mean anything to you?
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Yep, of course.
And the point I'm making is that that style of "Management" was very much of it's time, both in football, and in other workplaces.
As TF has shown, we're (hopefully) moving away from that type of behaviour, without sacrificing the possibilities of being successful...............
 

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badgerbee said:
Yep, of course.
And the point I'm making is that that style of "Management" was very much of it's time, both in football, and in other workplaces.
As TF has shown, we're (hopefully) moving away from that type of behaviour, without sacrificing the possibilities of being successful...............
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Not only was it "of its time" but it stored up problems for the future. Being a successful dictator is fine until you step down and haven't given anyone else in your wider team the skills to take over. It's not a coincidence that Man Utd have struggled a lot since Fergie left, nor that essentially none of their former players have made good managers.
 

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IMHO that have more to do with Fergie not being able/willing/allowed to let go, and hangs as a dark cloud over everything, and has arguably done so till, at least, when he was told that he wasn’t ambassador for the club any longer, by Ratcliffe, last summer.

compre him hanging around always being up for a sly comment, compared to say Wenger, or like Klopp who went in hiding in Germany, followed by taking a relatively anonymous upstairs job in RB Leeds
 

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Edinburgh Bee said:
Not only was it "of its time" but it stored up problems for the future. Being a successful dictator is fine until you step down and haven't given anyone else in your wider team the skills to take over. It's not a coincidence that Man Utd have struggled a lot since Fergie left, nor that essentially none of their former players have made good managers.
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Also he combined judicious use of the hairdryer with getting results over a longer period and much more sensitive man management as the norm. He wasn’t just a shouter.

It might also be that being ready to be terrifying was the only way to keep authority at Man U as he came in after decades of mediocrity and star players underperforming as a team having felt they’d already made it just by being at such a big club. What they’ve lacked since is arguably someone else with the managerial/coaching ability to get their players to play as a team and to instructions and to remind them forcefully they are not too good for that.
 

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Brentford77 said:
I don’t think we’ve had anyone told to train with the juniors or anything such as that. I think Fosu probably came the closest but even then there was no hint outwardly of disharmony
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In my first proper job, there came a time when I wanted to ask for a raise. I decided I would go talk to my manager at the end of the week. At the start of the week, he pulled me aside and gave me a raise. Without me asking.

Because he understood. He could see what I was feeling.

It feels and looks to me that TF is the same. Let's not pretend that we've been free from individuals who have felt differently, we haven't. But TF has built trust with the group that he knows best, and that they can trust him. Shown in previous actions. And it's why Mads has left, even if it leaves us a little short. Because he wanted to, he's been great for the club, and we're not going to stand in the way of his dreams.

It's possibly why potential problem players have left early, or gone out on loan... Dervis, for example, who didn't look terrible when he played for us, but never really got into the group. He wasn't kept around the team much: he was shipped out on loan again and again.

I'm amazed at what good a job TF and the whole team do.
 

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Sianist said:
IMHO that have more to do with Fergie not being able/willing/allowed to let go, and hangs as a dark cloud over everything, and has arguably done so till, at least, when he was told that he wasn’t ambassador for the club any longer, by Ratcliffe, last summer.

compre him hanging around always being up for a sly comment, compared to say Wenger, or like Klopp who went in hiding in Germany, followed by taking a relatively anonymous upstairs job in RB Leeds
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I'm sure that's not helped, but it's also not helped that Man Utd have appointed a bunch of guys, many of them their ex-players, to important backroom positions when they're learning on the job, and left all the real football knowledge in the mind of one guy who was always going to retire. The Glazers refused to spend money to hire in competent backroom staff, but part of the problem is that the ex pros have never been up to the job. Compare Arsenal, who hired Arteta who played under Wenger. If there had been any decent managers available who had played under Fergie, Man Utd would have hired them - they hired Solskjaer after all!
 

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TBR Football sources can reveal that Frank, along with Marco Silva, would be two of Lange’s first-choice replacements for Ange Postecoglou, but as mentioned, their release clauses throw a spanner in the works.

But again, that could change if they eventually decided that one of the Premier League duo were good enough to take the hot seat at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

???????
 

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He's currently joint 6th favourite to be the next Spurs manager...I wouldn't be panicking yet
 

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badgerbee said:
Have been talking about things like this more and more recently with friends who only take a passing interest in football in general, let alone Bees, but have commented on how impressively TF comes across.
We've come to the (not earth-shattering) conclusion that being a "good"/successful Manager requires the same skill-set in all walks of life/jobs. And doesn't involve things like giving those people you manage the "hairdryer treatment", or, as above, calling them out publicly. After all, how many of us would respect our managers if they did that to us, or one our colleagues?
As I said, not exactly revolutionary thinking, but reckon we'll start seeing more and more Managers in the mould of TF............
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Thomas is just an amazing man-manager, clearly a skill not many football coaches/managers have bothered with. Can you imagine him telling any of our players, in public, that he'd rather have a 63-year old coach in the team? Or that they're the worst Brentford team in history? I'm not a fan of Amorin anyway but he really needs a course in man-management.
 

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bee good said:
TBR Football sources can reveal that Frank, along with Marco Silva, would be two of Lange’s first-choice replacements for Ange Postecoglou, but as mentioned, their release clauses throw a spanner in the works.

But again, that could change if they eventually decided that one of the Premier League duo were good enough to take the hot seat at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.

???????
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Bournemouth manager must be on a most wanted list ?
 

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snowstormbee said:
Thomas is just an amazing man-manager, clearly a skill not many football coaches/managers have bothered with. Can you imagine him telling any of our players, in public, that he'd rather have a 63-year old coach in the team? Or that they're the worst Brentford team in history? I'm not a fan of Amorin anyway but he really needs a course in man-management.
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The man's a Pratt.
Between him and Ten bob they've totally f***ed up!
 

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snowstormbee said:
Thomas is just an amazing man-manager, clearly a skill not many football coaches/managers have bothered with. Can you imagine him telling any of our players, in public, that he'd rather have a 63-year old coach in the team? Or that they're the worst Brentford team in history? I'm not a fan of Amorin anyway but he really needs a course in man-management.
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I think if he tried to say it was the worst Brentford team in history he might get a polite cough and tap on the shoulder from KO’C and a whisper of “Terry Butcher”.
 

Thomas Frank

JANORAK said:
His name is increasingly popping up on the Spuds forums as a genuine contender for the job….
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to the extent i’ve seen it, its usually phrased in terms of “best manager we could be able to get if he wasn’t to smart to be willing to have Levy as a millstone”
 

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Why would TF consider the job at N17.
He is well respected by all at the Gtech on and off the pitch!
The team that Thomas is building is
a pleasure to watch.
There is no panic when injuries, results go against the Bees from the hierarchy.
Continue the good work Thomas and team.
COYB's
 

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BURFORD BEE said:
The man's a Pratt.
Between him and Ten bob they've totally f***ed up!
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I feel like Amorim might actually be a great thing for football. Spelling the end of the "system manager" pandemic we've had for the past few years. Where people like him, Maresca, Arteta, Kompany, etc., are all lauded for their work in creating a "system" that works rather than working with the tools available to them to create a team greater than the sum of its parts.

We might start seeing fewer Pep copycats and more variety in the way teams play again.

TF is like the absolute anti system manager :D He just plays how the team needs to play against that opponent. And he's damn good at it.
 

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stomalomalus said:
TF is like the absolute anti system manager :D He just plays how the team needs to play against that opponent. And he's damn good at it.
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The Thomas Frank system is a 433 with a fluid mobile front 3 that aims to move the ball quickly up the pitch and create chances from wide areas

...Except when he's got uses an attacking focal point like Ivan Toney or Igor thiago who can hold up the ball and play the team in

... Or when it's a 4231 and the attack flows through a number 10

...Or when it's a compact defensive 442 with 2 wide midfielders behind a strike partnership

...Or an ultra defensive 532 that sits in a low block and hits them on the counter by hoofing it to a target man who flicks it on for runners

...Or an ultra attacking 343 with 4 wingers on the pitch at once

And he never deviates from it!
 

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Finished the video, and liked the question on "philosophy management" (well, I would, I brought it up earlier), and TFs obviously classy answer. He always praises someone in his answers. The guy is a gem.
 

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Absolutely fascinating video. Especially interesting was the coaches de brief. The fractional mistakes that contribute to conceding a goal seemed to be very much down to a player not doing exactly what he had been coached to do rather than just being unlucky in his decision making. It makes you wonder a little bit if there is no room for spontaneity and maverick tendencies in modern day football. One thing it confirms is TF thinks, plans and understands the beautiful game at a level several floors higher than the vast majority of armchair ( or multi-coloured seat) experts.
 

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badgerbee said:
Have been talking about things like this more and more recently with friends who only take a passing interest in football in general, let alone Bees, but have commented on how impressively TF comes across.
We've come to the (not earth-shattering) conclusion that being a "good"/successful Manager requires the same skill-set in all walks of life/jobs. And doesn't involve things like giving those people you manage the "hairdryer treatment", or, as above, calling them out publicly. After all, how many of us would respect our managers if they did that to us, or one our colleagues?
As I said, not exactly revolutionary thinking, but reckon we'll start seeing more and more Managers in the mould of TF............
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You're absolutely right. This sort of decent and professional behaviour is considered normal in most walks of life. I would be astonished in business if managers behaved like some football managers do.

Discussing a subordinates performance in public is a complete taboo. It's between the manager and the individual. If my manager did that to me I'd feel a compelling need to apply firm manual force to his proboscis.....
 

Thomas Frank

On the assumption that we were "playing to orders" today, which I think we generally do, I don't think TF can be clear of any "blame".
Bizarre number of crosses into the box, of which we won very few. And wtf was going on with us taking pot shots from ridiculous positions?
Why did we decide to ditch the POMO mantra that has served us so well for most of this season??!! ?‍♂️
Surely must have been a conscious tactic from TF?? And if so, I think it's fair to say he got this one wrong....
 

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badgerbee said:
On the assumption that we were "playing to orders" today, which I think we generally do, I don't think TF can be clear of any "blame".
Bizarre number of crosses into the box, of which we won very few. And wtf was going on with us taking pot shots from ridiculous positions?
Why did we decide to ditch the POMO mantra that has served us so well for most of this season??!! ?‍♂️
Surely must have been a conscious tactic from TF?? And if so, I think it's fair to say he got this one wrong....
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We also clearly played longer at times which also wasnt working especially in the first 20-30mins, loads of quick long balls that left our CM deeo and unable to pick up second balls.

The shots from distance were very annoying.

Also why do we leave it so bloody late to make changes. You can set your watch on a 70min sub.
 

Thomas Frank

Isleworth_Bee said:
We also clearly played longer at times which also wasnt working
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This was the one thing for me where we didn’t react to Spurs quickly enough.

Early on, Valdimarsson played a long ball which nearly had Schade through. This appeared to be enough to panic Ange to abandon the high line and go for the low block. We didn’t seem to respond to this tactically and persisted with the long ball which wasn’t working.
 
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