Tranmere Reports

[GP200]

I agree with this totally. I seriously dont understand why Bostock isnt on the left seeing as Weston is out. Then when Weston is back, give him a whirl in the centre, im sure it wont do much harm?!

bring Hunt back in and stick KOC at Rb. I would also give Rhys Murphy a start now. if his Arsenal youth stats are anything to go by, he should give us the goals we need right now

...........Rhys will need a decent supply of ball to succeed,something Charlie and Ben aren't getting at the moment............

 

[NorthamptonBee]

It's amazing how much less you care when you are not there. I learnt a lesson today, don't follow this team to an away game far away in the attempt to have some sort of fix when you have it ready made at home. They played well last weekend and and again on Tuesday but they really don't deserve your/my support. Nasty manager with a permanent scowl.

 

[To Bee Someone]

Murphy in for Strevens. or at least get him or cort on with 25/30 mins to go so they have time to try and do something

 

[eyeseebee]

I agree 100% but who would make way for Murphy?

Think it really depends on how we intend to play. If we're going to get decent, effective balls into the box, I would give Murphy a go with Charlie. Also agree with an earlier post that said Cort got dropped at a time when he was starting to look half useful, so maybe worth trying him with Charlie again. But whatever happens, the manager has got to stop slagging off players in public. What he should have said after todays game was something along the lines of ' I keep playing players out of position. I am a pr!ck. I must use my subs earlier so they actually get a chance to touch the ball. I am a ****. I must also coach them to move for each other when we have a throw. Most of the players I have brought in since we got promoted are total crap. I am a useless to$$er.' That would be quite an accurate assessment.

 

[eyeseebee]

It's amazing how much less you care when you are not there. I learnt a lesson today, don't follow this team to an away game far away in the attempt to have some sort of fix when you have it ready made at home. They played well last weekend and and again on Tuesday but they really don't deserve your/my support. Nasty manager with a permanent scowl.

You did the right thing mate, without a doubt. Will go to MK cos it's just down the road, but can't see myself doing too many other away games.

 

[TW3Bee]

We will be in the bottom 4 before xmas.

We'll be in the bottom four this time next Saturday.

 

[Jimbee]

No-one should be going to Tranmere believing that we will come away with anything more than nil points. No matter how good, bad or indifferent a side we have, it just doesn't happen. And the one that did wasn't real.

 

[Jimbee]

We'll be in the bottom four this time next Saturday.

Highly unlikely.

 

[hanworthbee]

if not by next sat certainly by new year, I expect us to get nothing from Leeds, MK dons or Charlton and a point at best on boxing day at Gillingham, we are definately in a relagation fight this season

 

[IslandBee]

l

We'll be in the bottom four this time next Saturday.

And as another thread descends into self-loathing and misery I bid you all good night. Sweet dreams! lol

 

[Markybee]

we were poor again

 

[matt buzzbee]

We've scored 19 goals so far. Jordan Rhodes has scored 14.

 

[West Wilts Bee]

l

And as another thread descends into self-loathing and misery I bid you all good night. Sweet dreams! lol

Tell me one thing Mate, Just how many games have you been to this season?
From experience, I moved down to Wilrshire. i could hardly afford to get to GP. My late brother who was a great bees fan, could only go to so many due to costs. I found that I really started to defend the club and team as some sort of guilty complex, something I suspect you are doing

 

[West Wilts Bee]

Things could look very different in January if the loan players return to there clubs and Dickson is sold we could be without
The Asrenal Keeper
Pim
Wilson
Bostock
Dickson

With AS lack of Man managemet ca,t imagine the will want to stay for a pooe manager in a relegation dog fight

And on another point why is Wilson on the bench he been one of the best players when played in his correct position at CB

Cos Scott is a dick/

 

[wayfarer172]

Think it really depends on how we intend to play. If we're going to get decent, effective balls into the box, I would give Murphy a go with Charlie. Also agree with an earlier post that said Cort got dropped at a time when he was starting to look half useful, so maybe worth trying him with Charlie again. But whatever happens, the manager has got to stop slagging off players in public. What he should have said after todays game was something along the lines of ' I keep playing players out of position. I am a pr!ck. I must use my subs earlier so they actually get a chance to touch the ball. I am a ****. I must also coach them to move for each other when we have a throw. Most of the players I have brought in since we got promoted are total crap. I am a useless to$$er.' That would be quite an accurate assessment.

Your post is a ****ing gem, Hilarious. rofl rofl rofl

 

[DoningtonBee]

First, let's get one thing right: We did have some efforts at goal, though possibly none on target! Bostock very nearly scored with an excellent free kick in the first half, and Charlie Mac came close to tucking one away in the second. Having said that, for the most part it was an uninspiring performance. The first half was even with few clear chances. Szczesny looked as good a goalkeeper as I've seen at this level, commanding his area well and getting out quickly on a couple of occasions. Whether he was at all at fault for their goal was hard to say from so far away, but basically our defenders were caught napping. They shouldn't have been. It was very clear from early on that Curran was a useful player who needed to be watched closely. Tranmere's no. 2, Logan, was also pretty good. For us it was a familiar story: no (and I mean zero) creativity from central midfield. KOC didn't even do well what he's meant to be good at, and gave the ball away needlessly on several occasions. Bean was a bit better, but distinctly average by Div 1 standards. Up front, Charlie Mac buzzed around and looked moderately dangerous, but Strevens was anonymous. Perhaps he has played better in other games, but on this form it's very hard to see how he's keeping Carl Cort out of the team. Predictably, Wood and Dickson combined to good effect down the left. Several times it looked as though they might fashion an opening, but in the end it always came to nothing. The right-hand side, however, is another problem. I can't really see how Danny Foster is an improvement on either Halls or Newton; in fact, he offers less going forward. Bostock clearly has a bright future, and occasionally threatened to produce something, but he is also raw and very left footed. It's not ideal for a right winger (but then, he isn't really a right winger, is he?). Legge did well again, and Pim B was reasonable. This was a disappointing result against a largely mediocre side, but there will be more until we do something to improve our threat going forward, and to my mind that means a new midfield.

I think that this review is spot on - the right hand side looked very poor yesterday and the midfield needs a total rethink.

 

[PJ]

Performance was no better than the Exeter & Wycombe debacles and the game itself was a dire spectacle

Bostock didnt have a great game but did come inside a lot with Bean covering on the wing. He is very creative and on his better days will unlock defences.

It would be interesting to see Bostock start in the middle but i`d be surprised if we tried that against Leeds as we`ll probably expect to be under the cosh.

However its difficult to see us getting anything next week without being bold and personally would like to see us start with a more attacking team and have a real go at winning the game. It can easily be changed if it doesnt work

 

[blunstone]

Performance was no better than the Exeter & Wycombe debacles and the game itself was a dire spectacle

Bostock didnt have a great game but did come inside a lot with Bean covering on the wing. He is very creative and on his better days will unlock defences.

It would be interesting to see Bostock start in the middle but i`d be surprised if we tried that against Leeds as we`ll probably expect to be under the cosh.

However its difficult to see us getting anything next week without being bold and personally would like to see us start with a more attacking team and have a real go at winning the game. It can easily be changed if it doesnt work

three in central midfield maybe and just one upfront, at least to start with ???

a point would be a result for little us.

 

[Big Seb]

I imagine ABEE is not going to put up with this much longer, his valuable assistance to the club is being wasted, I can see some action coming in some form soon, he's aware of what the numbers add up to after all thats his business.

 

[Scratchy]

Garbage

The most telling statistic from yesterday's game was that we did not have a single shot on target. Not one. :sad: Plan A didn't work and we don't currently have a Plan B which meant that we were beaten by a poor side who didn't have to play to their full ability.

Our players, except for the keeper, were poor yesterday.
Our management team were poor yesterday.
It needs to change and it needs to change soon.

 

[young bee]

Very poor game had 0 0 all over it thought the keeper dickson and wood had very good game! Team just ran out of ideas!

 

[condorman]

We've scored 19 goals so far. Jordan Rhodes has scored 14.

Wow ? Jordan Rhodes ? Sounds good. I think we should go and sign him. I am amazed this thought didn't cross our manager's mind.

 

[love and mercy]

The most telling statistic from yesterday's game was that we did not have a single shot on target. Not one. :sad: Plan A didn't work and we don't currently have a Plan B which meant that we were beaten by a poor side who didn't have to play to their full ability.

Our players, except for the keeper, were poor yesterday.
Our management team were poor yesterday.
It needs to change and it needs to change soon.

I have been saying the same thing for weeks now
He is not capable of turning this around.
Far too many bad mistakes and I think slagging off individual players is inexcusable

 

[wanderer paul]

We've scored 19 goals so far. Jordan Rhodes has scored 14.

Jordan has 10 "league" goals

Huddersfield are chasing promotion on a huge budget, we're just hoping to stay up this season, if you or anyone else thought we'd be 'up there' then you need to rethink your ideals.

 

[JTofBFC]

Jordan has 10 "league" goals

Huddersfield are chasing promotion on a huge budget, we're just hoping to stay up this season, if you or anyone else thought we'd be 'up there' then you need to rethink your ideals.

Think you will find Mr Benham has more ambition than that - thankfully !!

 

[eyeseebee]

Very poor game had 0 0 all over it thought the keeper dickson and wood had very good game! Team just ran out of ideas!

Ran out of ideas? It had no ideas from the first whistle. If a team runs out of ideas before the game has started, it doesn't say much about the management or training sessions. Agree the keeper and Dickson were good. Not with you on Wood though. Charlie tried hard but with no help. 2 or even 3out of 11 players having a good game is only going to lead to one thing. Excactly what we got - a hopeless performance and a hopeless result.

 

[JimLevack]

Let's not go knee jerk here.
We need someone to sit in the middle of midfield and open up defences, get the ball wide and have a few pops on target.
Once we find him we will be fine because no side that can play like we did against Colchester should be flirting with the bottom four.
The fact that Charlie MacDonald is dropping deeper and deeper to get the ball says it all really.

 

[blunstone]

Ran out of ideas? It had no ideas from the first whistle. If a team runs out of ideas before the game has started, it doesn't say much about the management or training sessions. Agree the keeper and Dickson were good. Not with you on Wood though. Charlie tried hard but with no help. 2 or even 3out of 11 players having a good game is only going to lead to one thing. Excactly what we got - a hopeless performance and a hopeless result.

a loss is a loss and a blow - but when we went down three years ago we were being hammered 3-1 and 4-0. they are hopeless results not 1-0 away from home and in the north west.

we are short but are still picking up just about enough points each month.

we beat colchester only a few days ago and they are a top side.

not everything in life is black or white, hero or villain, there are dozens of shades of grey also.

 

[blunstone]

Let's not go knee jerk here.
We need someone to sit in the middle of midfield and open up defences, get the ball wide and have a few pops on target.
Once we find him we will be fine because no side that can play like we did against Colchester should be flirting with the bottom four.
The fact that Charlie MacDonald is dropping deeper and deeper to get the ball says it all really.

top post. yes, jim.

 

[brooks]

a loss is a loss and a blow - but when we went down three years ago we were being hammered 3-1 and 4-0. they are hopeless results not 1-0 away from home and in the north west.

we are short but are still picking up just about enough points each month.

we beat colchester only a few days ago and they are a top side.

not everything in life is black or white, hero or villain, there are dozens of shades of grey also.

Actually, if average points collected per game continues to the end of the season, we will have 50 points give or take 1. We could be safe. We could be unlucky. So I'd rather a little more effort and definitely be safe. Thank you.

 

[scruff puppy pup]

No-one should be going to Tranmere believing that we will come away with anything more than nil points. No matter how good, bad or indifferent a side we have, it just doesn't happen. And the one that did wasn't real.

But look at the prediction thread for the Tranmere game. 98% predicting a win or a draw. It felt like Bees fans thought we only had to turn up to claim three points.
I'm still waiting to see this mythical corner we are supposed to have turned.

 

[WarrenBee]

We rarely win at Tranmere or Gillingham.

 

[jlove]

Just got back and feel strangely compelled to post a match report, I couldn't find the right thread, so I'll post it here.

It was like a slo-mo rerun of the Wycombe match but with better defences. Both teams ran around a lot in the first half, we seemed to have a bit more control but neither goal was ever really in danger; our GK made a decisive save after a scramble in the box and we almost threatened from set-pieces. There was some witty singing that was not fully appreciated by the local plod. Half time came and went.

Second half started like the first but then got scrappier; Bostock was given a freer rein to try and create something but lost his composure. O'Connor seemed the only player trying to do something, with assistance from Charlie. We gave away a free-kick... everyone in the ground knew what was going on... lots of theatricals to fool us... the only people fooled were in black on the pitch... GOAL!

Tranmere, whose defence looked quite good (meaning I was expecting a 0-0), woke up and realised they could win. We slowed to a snail's pace. Foster and Wood were particularly guilty of standing off, even 70-30 balls they stopped to watch instead of tackling. Bostock and Legge both lost composure and position completely at times. Dickson was pinned in our own half and Bean moved out the the right to keep out of the way. Passes forward consisted of aimless punts to their goalkeeper... we'd decided we'd lost.

You can't blame Scott for what happened thus far but substitutions should have been made at that point. Cort's cameo showed he could win and hold the ball and Murphy found good positions... I really can't understand why they did not get 25 minutes.

We're in danger of playing superbly against the top teams and losing, then playing like donkeys against the bottom teams and losing.

 

[IslandBee]

Tell me one thing Mate, Just how many games have you been to this season?
From experience, I moved down to Wilrshire. i could hardly afford to get to GP. My late brother who was a great bees fan, could only go to so many due to costs. I found that I really started to defend the club and team as some sort of guilty complex, something I suspect you are doing

You're right of course I don't get to as many games as I would like for all the reasons which normally follow from being in your mid-40s, having children and living on an island (due to work)! There is no gulit involved, however: my support has been of longstanding and I have done my fair share of Grimsby aways (who remembers losing 5-1 under Bill Dodgin?) etc. I still support the team in the ways that I can and get to as many games as possible.
I am defending the team and AS simply because I don't think things are quite as bad as they are being painted, given the constraints under which Brentford have inevitably to operate. Perhaps it is easier to do this from a distance and of course when you haven't paid an arm and a leg to get to the game. I think the anger from those who have travelled is at least underestandable, but since coming on the site in Sept I have been completely taken aback by the general level of underlying anger out there. This, I find genuinely difficult to understand. Expectations just seem hopelessly unrealistic.

 

[IslandBee]

Let's not go knee jerk here.
We need someone to sit in the middle of midfield and open up defences, get the ball wide and have a few pops on target.
Once we find him we will be fine because no side that can play like we did against Colchester should be flirting with the bottom four.
The fact that Charlie MacDonald is dropping deeper and deeper to get the ball says it all really.

Hoooooraaaay!!

 

[brooks]

You're right of course I don't get to as many games as I would like for all the reasons which normally follow from being in your mid-40s, having children and living on an island (due to work)! There is no gulit involved, however: my support has been of longstanding and I have done my fair share of Grimsby aways (who remembers losing 5-1 under Bill Dodgin?) etc. I still support the team in the ways that I can and get to as many games as possible.
I am defending the team and AS simply because I don't think things are quite as bad as they are being painted, given the constraints under which Brentford have inevitably to operate. Perhaps it is easier to do this from a distance and of course when you haven't paid an arm and a leg to get to the game. I think the anger from those who have travelled is at least underestandable, but since coming on the site in Sept I have been completely taken aback by the general level of underlying anger out there. This, I find genuinely difficult to understand. Expectations just seem hopelessly unrealistic.

Most people expected a reasonably safe middle table position, which is what Brentford historically occupy. That's not a lot to ask. To come up as champions and struggle in the Third Division is pathetic. How can it be unrealistic to want to stay up in this division? It's the Third Divison for God's sake not the First (refuse to use new nomenclature).

 

[joebakerbeesfan]

i don't think are defence are to blame if the ball keeps comeing back at them every time it is cleared it is no surprise that eventually a mistake is made.........teams will look at us when we are away and through every thing at us because they know we arnt going to score or even create a chance

last season we pressed the ball alot higher up the pitch bean did this well i thought this season we are playing alot deeper

we have playes like bostock saunders weston disckson bean who are capable of taking the game to the opponent but we seem to have forgotton all that was good and what got us to league one, our build play was brilliant last year and i havnt seen us attempt it this season ... at times yes but not consistantly like last season

 

[IslandBee]

Most people expected a reasonably safe middle table position, which is what Brentford historically occupy. That's not a lot to ask. To come up as champions and struggle in the Third Division is pathetic. How can it be unrealistic to want to stay up in this division? It's the Third Divison for God's sake not the First (refuse to use new nomenclature).

But this isn't the historical 'Third Division' and we are not the historical Brentford. It is a divsion with Norwich, Leeds, Southampton in addition to all of the usual top teams (Huddersfield etc); and we are a Brentford that has spent two seasons in the 'Fourth Division' with the inevitable effect on resources and crowds. My expectation was that we would stay up, just, but I thought it would be tight. I still think this, but it won't happen if large sections of the crowd turn against the team, which doesn't of course mean everyone has to be happy all the time. FFS - I was as disappointed about yesterday's result as the next Bees' fan!

 

[brooks]

But this isn't the historical 'Third Division' and we are not the historical Brentford. It is a divsion with Norwich, Leeds, Southampton in addition to all of the usual top teams (Huddersfield etc); and we are a Brentford that has spent two seasons in the 'Fourth Division' with the inevitable effect on resources and crowds. My expectation was that we would stay up, just, but I thought it would be tight. I still think this, but it won't happen if large sections of the crowd turn against the team, which doesn't of course mean everyone has to be happy all the time. FFS - I was as disappointed about yesterday's result as the next Bees' fan!

They are bigger clubs with bigger gates but they are third division teams, big name or not. Let's put it another way. Other traditional third divison clubs like Bristol Rovers, Southend and,that old bottom feeder, Hartlepool, are doing ok. If we can't do as well as them then something is wrong.

 

[samwood]

Large sections of the crowd don't turn against the team if you had been to any games this season you would have seen how brilliant our support is, even more so when we are playing sh*t we get behind the team and try lift them.

I think scotty could have changed the team for this game with alot of players tired from recent weeks and if we are going to get drawn into a scappy game with balls getting hoofed up field then surely we should utilize carl cort who does exceptionly well at getting hold of long balls and getting control of the ball.

 

[Brentford_bees]

Been trying to find out how many went yesterday does anyone know?

 

[IslandBee]

Large sections of the crowd don't turn against the team if you had been to any games this season you would have seen how brilliant our support is, even more so when we are playing sh*t we get behind the team and try lift them.

QUOTE]

I know this because I have been to some games this season, but numbers are thinning and we have already had calls on this thread for protests

 

[IslandBee]

They are bigger clubs with bigger gates but they are third division teams, big name or not. Let's put it another way. Other traditional third divison clubs like Bristol Rovers, Southend and,that old bottom feeder, Hartlepool, are doing ok. If we can't do as well as them then something is wrong.

We're one point behind Southend and four behind Hartlepool! There are always a few teams who punch above their weight, but we are pretty much right in the middle of a group of 13 traditional 'Third division' teams. We are doing slightly less well than I would expect

 

[DavidgRushden]

They are bigger clubs with bigger gates but they are third division teams, big name or not. Let's put it another way. Other traditional third divison clubs like Bristol Rovers, Southend and,that old bottom feeder, Hartlepool, are doing ok. If we can't do as well as them then something is wrong.

Well said, and as you rightly say certain clubs like Southend are doing better than us. I would suggest some who are attacking us for pointing out the defincies in management of the club will probably be the first to disappear when we are sitting at bottom place in this league by mid January, and that is exactly where we will be on current form. That is of course assuming no other club has poorer form than us by then

 

[Steve G]

Large sections of the crowd don't turn against the team if you had been to any games this season you would have seen how brilliant our support is, even more so when we are playing sh*t we get behind the team and try lift them.

QUOTE]

I know this because I have been to some games this season, but numbers are thinning and we have already had calls on this thread for protests

Numbers were never very thick in the first place. The club has managed to kill off potential support over many years. Brentford used to be a sleeping giant, now it's asleep full stop. Quite a few still turn up for the big matches, but most have just given up all together. Now we're supposed to be grateful to be back in the Third division. Oh well perhaps things will change with the new stadium and we'll be another Doncaster style success story.

Interesting to compare average gates over the last decade:

Brentford Doncaster

1999/2000 5,742 2,981

2008/9 5,707 11,964

Not bad for a team that has to compete with clubs like Leeds, Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday.

 

[NorthamptonBee]

But this isn't the historical 'Third Division' and we are not the historical Brentford. It is a divsion with Norwich, Leeds, Southampton in addition to all of the usual top teams (Huddersfield etc); and we are a Brentford that has spent two seasons in the 'Fourth Division' with the inevitable effect on resources and crowds. My expectation was that we would stay up, just, but I thought it would be tight. I still think this, but it won't happen if large sections of the crowd turn against the team, which doesn't of course mean everyone has to be happy all the time. FFS - I was as disappointed about yesterday's result as the next Bees' fan!

Please name a game this season where the crowd have turned?
You think we all live in another world, sorry mate but I've got news for you. Like I said I witnessed Orient, Wycombe, Exeter and Yeovil and they hurt, yesterday didn't hurt at all as I was wrapped up in the warm at home. It's easy to be living in happyland when you're not cold, wet and spent up watching that shower perform like they have done at away games this season. Apologies to al that went but yesterday was all that expected after watching us away this season, again I would humbly suggest that I was less of a mug than usual by choosing to stay at home.

 

[beesbees_bfc]

Good Afternoon late report here, turned into a late and drunken night so only just in a state to be writing my thoughts on the game

This is the first one of these I've done on here so might not be as shakespeare like as others.

Disappointing from start to finish from an attacking perspective, similar to Wycombe last week - no invention, no idea throughout.

We seemed intent on lumping the ball forward towards charlie and strevens, neither the tallest or biggest strikers. surely if we insist on playing that ugly football away from home we have to have Cort on the field.

We don't seem to have any creativity in the midfield, possibly bostock being the exception and the centre of midfield was non existent for large periods once again. We clearly have noone with the vision to play the killer passes in this league - maybe we shouldnt of discarded smith so readily

Defensively we wernt too bad other then the obvious lack of ocncentration for the goal but we arent letting in many goals we just cant score.

Another concern for me is the comments from Scoot re; if not for that one lapse we'd of got a nil nil, fine, but theyre bottom of the league and looked a poor outfit so surely nil nil shouldnt be our aim.

I actually cant remember one moment of excitement thinking we actually might score, how many shots on goal have we managed between Wycombe and yesterday.

A last whinge is the crowd - I know there wasnt many of us there but it was like a library, sure the team need to give us a lift sometimes but the lads are out there struggling big time and as a set of supporters we dont make any noise or offer any kind of vocal support - extremely dissappointing

 

[stoney04]

just saw their goal.. terrible defending again!

 

[Newbee]

You're right of course I don't get to as many games as I would like for all the reasons which normally follow from being in your mid-40s, having children and living on an island (due to work)! There is no gulit involved, however: my support has been of longstanding and I have done my fair share of Grimsby aways (who remembers losing 5-1 under Bill Dodgin?) etc. I still support the team in the ways that I can and get to as many games as possible.
I am defending the team and AS simply because I don't think things are quite as bad as they are being painted, given the constraints under which Brentford have inevitably to operate. Perhaps it is easier to do this from a distance and of course when you haven't paid an arm and a leg to get to the game. I think the anger from those who have travelled is at least underestandable, but since coming on the site in Sept I have been completely taken aback by the general level of underlying anger out there. This, I find genuinely difficult to understand. Expectations just seem hopelessly unrealistic.

For what it's worth , i've been to every home game (including the Gateshead, Walsall cup games) while also attending a few away games (including the loss to Orient) and i pretty much agree with all your posts that you added to this thread and various other threads trying to defend AS the team etc

I think we have the squad to keep us in this division

The name of the game for me this season is to stay in League one, if it means finishing the season in 20th position then so be it job done. i'm looking towards next season for a "push".

 

[wayfarer172]

Numbers were never very thick in the first place. The club has managed to kill off potential support over many years. Brentford used to be a sleeping giant, now it's asleep full stop. Quite a few still turn up for the big matches, but most have just given up all together. Now we're supposed to be grateful to be back in the Third division. Oh well perhaps things will change with the new stadium and we'll be another Doncaster style success story.

Interesting to compare average gates over the last decade:

Brentford Doncaster

1999/2000 5,742 2,981

2008/9 5,707 11,964

Not bad for a team that has to compete with clubs like Leeds, Sheffield United and Sheffield Wednesday.

More like a ****ing coma.